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Re: Converting my Amel 54 to lithium batteries: what I did, what I like and what I don't like (after one year of full time live aboard use)

Scott SV Tengah
 

Dan,

Answers to your questions:

1) As I mentioned, I didn't want to mess around with different manufacturers in case the expensive batteries died. I learned this from when I was working - to the extent possible, make sure you have one responsible party when there are many interconnected systems/processes. If you buy a Winston battery, which I considered, and it dies, they will certainly blame the Victron charger. Victron will claim their charger is perfect. You are now the one paying for a new one out of pocket. By going Victron on battery and charger and getting Victron to help me set it up, I am more likely to have the warranty honored.

Lithium requires enough thinking, I didn't want to try to invent more things than I needed to.

2) I have redundancy with my Skylla-i, as I described. I also envisioned using it to charge the bank and then running off inverter when in 110/220 60hz countries. See original text. It's not rocket science, so I would just re-wire if there's a failure. I also have the old 800w Mastervolt inverter as a backup.

3) See original text. I talk about my thoughts on this.

FYI we use close to 5kw a day, maybe a bit more. Solar provides most of it. I surmise if we didn't cook with induction/electric kettle/microwave and used the gas stove instead, we'd use a lot less. But induction is far superior, in my opinion. We keep the gas as a backup, however. Too many things need to go right for induction to work to rely on it exclusively.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Location of the fuse for the chain washing pump requested

rossirossix4
 

Hi Willem, 
As Bill points out the circuit breaker is with the other 24V breakers in the engine room.  If the pump still does not work try rotating it manually for a few rotations--this happened to us a few years ago and that solved the problem--for 4 years so far.  Unlike the AC pump, this is not done with a screw driver inserted into a hole at the back of the pump.  While there is a Phillips head screw in the middle axis at the back of the chain washer pump, it is just a case screw.  To rotate the pump, insert a thin screw driver through the rear vent slots and rotate the shaft via the internal fan blades.  Like the other pumps, hoses and exchangers it is a good idea to flush these with fresh water after use and during storage. Salt-A-Way or similar products can help with deposits and prevent corrosion during non-use or storage.
Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI SM429


Aqua Signal Series 44 LED port/starboard bow nav lights

Dan Carlson
 

Has anyone replaced the SM original Aqua Signal series 40 port and startboard bow nav lights with the Series 44 LED lights.   It looks like it could be pretty straightforward, but:
1) I was not clear if I need to purchase new mounting plates? (What they recommend looks identical to what is currently on the series 40 lights) and 
2) one of the reviewers made some comments on the wiring connections on the series 44 light only working with 18-22 gauge max size wire? 

Anyone with experience on these? 
https://www.amazon.com/Aqua-Signal-LED-Port-Black/dp/B07BJ523X8/ref=asc_df_B07BJ523X8/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=241991498318&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2118952303038702604&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1016344&hvtargid=aud-801381245258:pla-599337485683&psc=1

Thanks and Regards,  Dan & Lori Carlson on SM#387, sv BeBe (in hurricane storage at Shelter Bay Marina, Panama)


Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Matt Salatino
 

Speed of Life
Amel 50, #27

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 6, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:

Matt, Ok thats one vote for Fri. What is the name/model of your boat ?
Pat 
SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Sep 6, 2019 8:49 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

Cindy and I are driving in for the entire show. We have a previous engagement on Saturday, October 12, but Friday would be good.......

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 6, 2019, at 8:12 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:

Diane and I will be sailing to the boat show this year, as we have for the last 35 yrs. We would be anchored in the main anchorage and would invite everyone out to the boat for drinks and pizza and we could do that. But it may be more convenient to meet at a local restaurant across the street from the show. Mangia Italian Grill has great pizza ,etc. and is only about 100 ft. from the show. Friday or Sat. about 6:30 would work for us ,Sat. may be busier . If anyone would be interested, lets get a head count .
Seya There,
Pat & Diane,
SV Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2019 9:29 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

Iris and I will be driving over to Annapolis for the show.  If there’s a get-together for dinner and/or drinks, we’d like to join in.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy SM243
St Michaels, MD

On Sep 4, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Mike,

No problem.  JL Mertz's Speedi-Sleeve idea is a good one too as the surface finish on the shaft is really not good enough to ensure a good seal with the oil seal. 

Regarding the Annapolis Boat Show, we will definitely be at the show but we are not sure if we will taking Cara or just driving.  It's such a zoo around there at that time and we can't take the days off work to get there early enough to be ensured of a decent anchoring spot.  Definitely let me know what the plans are as they develop!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Patrick McAneny
 

Matt, Ok thats one vote for Fri. What is the name/model of your boat ?
Pat 
SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Sep 6, 2019 8:49 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

Cindy and I are driving in for the entire show. We have a previous engagement on Saturday, October 12, but Friday would be good.......

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 6, 2019, at 8:12 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:

Diane and I will be sailing to the boat show this year, as we have for the last 35 yrs. We would be anchored in the main anchorage and would invite everyone out to the boat for drinks and pizza and we could do that. But it may be more convenient to meet at a local restaurant across the street from the show. Mangia Italian Grill has great pizza ,etc. and is only about 100 ft. from the show. Friday or Sat. about 6:30 would work for us ,Sat. may be busier . If anyone would be interested, lets get a head count .
Seya There,
Pat & Diane,
SV Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2019 9:29 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

Iris and I will be driving over to Annapolis for the show.  If there’s a get-together for dinner and/or drinks, we’d like to join in.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy SM243
St Michaels, MD

On Sep 4, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Mike,

No problem.  JL Mertz's Speedi-Sleeve idea is a good one too as the surface finish on the shaft is really not good enough to ensure a good seal with the oil seal. 

Regarding the Annapolis Boat Show, we will definitely be at the show but we are not sure if we will taking Cara or just driving.  It's such a zoo around there at that time and we can't take the days off work to get there early enough to be ensured of a decent anchoring spot.  Definitely let me know what the plans are as they develop!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Converting my Amel 54 to lithium batteries: what I did, what I like and what I don't like (after one year of full time live aboard use)

Dan Carlson
 

Hi all,  I've been following the Lithium topic closely now and want to make the conversion this November when I return to BeBe.    As I have followed this thread and also talked with other cruisers that have converted in the past here are a couple questions that I would like to see some experience opinions on:
1)  Smart Batteries vs Smart BMS:  It seems most of the focus has been on the Smart Batteries from BattleBorn, Dragonfly or VE.  However, I have also come across some cruisers that have installed Winston or other LI batteries that are then controlled by a central BMS.  (this BMS will monitor each battery individually and can adjust the charge to the individual batteries to keep them in balance.  And then it also has over all cut in/cut out relays to protect the entire battery bank from over or under charge.   Has anyone had experience with this type of set up?
2) Big Box Charger vs Charger/Inverter:  So far the discussion has been dominated by the Victron Charger/Inverter set up.   One of my cruiser friends (non-Amel) has switched his boat over to keeping the chargers and inverters separate, with good logic.  He has redundant charging capabilities and then supplies all of his on-board 230 volt requirements from the inverter.  (He may have a jaded view as he lost his Big box charger/inverter a year or so ago and this convinced him that it was better not to have everything in one box).  Thoughts?  What would Henri Amel do?
3) Daily Life with LI:  At Anchor, Marina life, Passages, Storage?   I think battery management when I am active on the boat will be pretty straight-forward, but what I am less sure of is how to best manage the battery maintenance when I need to leave the boat for a period of time during the season, or when I put it up for and extended period (ie hurricane season), or  how to be confident that the batteries are not being over-charged in an extended motoring situation? 

Already the recent 'threads' are getting hard to navigate.   Would it make sense to divide some of these topics in separate threads?   i.e  batteries, charger/inverters, alternator controls, Life w/ LI?   

I really appreciate all the information that is available on this forum.  

Dan & Lori Carlson on SM#387, sv BeBe  - we have 405w of Solar and use about 4000 watts/day at anchor. 


Re: Amel is going lithium

Matt Salatino
 

Willem,
Who is your Chinese battery source? Is there a website?

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 6, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Willem Kroes <kavanga@...> wrote:

Hi Arno,

I bought in China 8 100 Ah at 12 V LifePo4 batteries and imported these by myself into the Netherlands. The total coast was 400 euro per battery. So not cheap, but affordable. After 2 years of use I am very happy with these batteries. I changed the charging system as follows: I reprogrammed the Mastervolt 60A 24 V Chargemaster according to the battery specifications. I bought a new Prestolite 60 A alternator and the internal controller was removed by a Mastervolt dealer and a new Alfa Pro external controller was added and also programmed according to the battery specifications. When the batteries are full the alternator will stop charging and also the temp sensor will interfere when the alternator becomes too hot. First the charge will be half the full charge and when this is not enough the charge will stop at all. After two minutes or so it will start to charge again.
The old Dolphin 30 A charger can't be programmed, but as a backup it works fine after giving it a shock of low voltage by using the coffee machine together with the microwave for a very short time. Afterward the charger will continue charging (dip switch set to gel batteries). 
.

I haven't changed any 220 V applications until now., but I want to run the airconditioning unit for the aft cabin on the batteries in stead of using the gen set. I will need an electrician to arrange this.

Best regards,

Willem Kroes

SM#351 KAVANGA

now in the Ionian in Greece
 


Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Matt Salatino
 

Cindy and I are driving in for the entire show. We have a previous engagement on Saturday, October 12, but Friday would be good.......

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 6, 2019, at 8:12 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:

Diane and I will be sailing to the boat show this year, as we have for the last 35 yrs. We would be anchored in the main anchorage and would invite everyone out to the boat for drinks and pizza and we could do that. But it may be more convenient to meet at a local restaurant across the street from the show. Mangia Italian Grill has great pizza ,etc. and is only about 100 ft. from the show. Friday or Sat. about 6:30 would work for us ,Sat. may be busier . If anyone would be interested, lets get a head count .
Seya There,
Pat & Diane,
SV Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2019 9:29 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

Iris and I will be driving over to Annapolis for the show.  If there’s a get-together for dinner and/or drinks, we’d like to join in.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy SM243
St Michaels, MD

On Sep 4, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Mike,

No problem.  JL Mertz's Speedi-Sleeve idea is a good one too as the surface finish on the shaft is really not good enough to ensure a good seal with the oil seal. 

Regarding the Annapolis Boat Show, we will definitely be at the show but we are not sure if we will taking Cara or just driving.  It's such a zoo around there at that time and we can't take the days off work to get there early enough to be ensured of a decent anchoring spot.  Definitely let me know what the plans are as they develop!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Amel is going lithium

Willem Kroes
 

Hi Arno,

I bought in China 8 100 Ah at 12 V LifePo4 batteries and imported these by myself into the Netherlands. The total coast was 400 euro per battery. So not cheap, but affordable. After 2 years of use I am very happy with these batteries. I changed the charging system as follows: I reprogrammed the Mastervolt 60A 24 V Chargemaster according to the battery specifications. I bought a new Prestolite 60 A alternator and the internal controller was removed by a Mastervolt dealer and a new Alfa Pro external controller was added and also programmed according to the battery specifications. When the batteries are full the alternator will stop charging and also the temp sensor will interfere when the alternator becomes too hot. First the charge will be half the full charge and when this is not enough the charge will stop at all. After two minutes or so it will start to charge again.
The old Dolphin 30 A charger can't be programmed, but as a backup it works fine after giving it a shock of low voltage by using the coffee machine together with the microwave for a very short time. Afterward the charger will continue charging (dip switch set to gel batteries). 
.

I haven't changed any 220 V applications until now., but I want to run the airconditioning unit for the aft cabin on the batteries in stead of using the gen set. I will need an electrician to arrange this.

Best regards,

Willem Kroes

SM#351 KAVANGA

now in the Ionian in Greece
 


Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Patrick McAneny
 

Diane and I will be sailing to the boat show this year, as we have for the last 35 yrs. We would be anchored in the main anchorage and would invite everyone out to the boat for drinks and pizza and we could do that. But it may be more convenient to meet at a local restaurant across the street from the show. Mangia Italian Grill has great pizza ,etc. and is only about 100 ft. from the show. Friday or Sat. about 6:30 would work for us ,Sat. may be busier . If anyone would be interested, lets get a head count .
Seya There,
Pat & Diane,
SV Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2019 9:29 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

Iris and I will be driving over to Annapolis for the show.  If there’s a get-together for dinner and/or drinks, we’d like to join in.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy SM243
St Michaels, MD

On Sep 4, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Mike,

No problem.  JL Mertz's Speedi-Sleeve idea is a good one too as the surface finish on the shaft is really not good enough to ensure a good seal with the oil seal. 

Regarding the Annapolis Boat Show, we will definitely be at the show but we are not sure if we will taking Cara or just driving.  It's such a zoo around there at that time and we can't take the days off work to get there early enough to be ensured of a decent anchoring spot.  Definitely let me know what the plans are as they develop!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Amel is going lithium

Joerg Esdorn
 

Sorry, Ofer.  It appears I didn’t post the pics.  Here they are. Sorry for the delay. 


Re: When to use Running Back Stays and Onan Control Board PCB

Joerg Esdorn
 

Another try to attach the pictures.  


Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Charles Bell
 

Hello Jay,

I am currently working on a complete refit of Mango #29, almost in eyesight of the boat show...

If you would like to catch up at the show, I will be around and happy to chat. I have mountains of information regarding the engineering and usability choices we have made... and I am happy to share documents.


Charles


Re: Converting my Amel 54 to lithium batteries: what I did, what I like and what I don't like (after one year of full time live aboard use)

Scott SV Tengah
 

I'm sure I'm using the wrong terminology, but Victron's intent (from their engineer's mouths) is that you put the "control wires" through the BP-220.

For example, the thin wires leading from the bow thruster joystick, which carry very little current, would go through the BP-220 but not the big thick wires that carry the current to actually operate the bowthruster. However if you "load disconnect" the wires from the joystick, the bowthruster won't operate, achieving the load disconnect's aim.

I think to segregate it like that on an Amel would be a big project since it wasn't designed from the outset to accommodate a load-disconnect system.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Converting my Amel 54 to lithium batteries: what I did, what I like and what I don't like (after one year of full time live aboard use)

Brent Cameron
 

Thanks Scott.  I am making copious notes for when I get my own Amel.    A side hobby has been following the whole Lithium thing (even outside of sailboats) so your experience is quite apropos!  I did look up the cost of those 25.6V batteries and you definitely made the right decision!  (They seem to be double the cost of the same capacity configured your way).  I also looked at the Victron documentation and sample schematics for the BP-200 and it seems like they always have it configured as a master cutoff like you have - even with much bigger battery banks.  I’m a bit surprised by this as they are essentially limiting the battery bank to discharging 200A no matter how much capacity it has - albeit 200A at 24V is a whole lot of power so I’m surprised your Passerelle melted it.  I would suspect that your bow thruster has similar or greater current draw.  You might want to look into why it was drawing >> 200A as it is just a hydraulic pump I thought.  Anyway, thanks for responding to my questions.  Fair winds!

On September 5, 2019, 10:49 PM -0400, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...>, wrote:
Brent,

Glad you found some value in it. I went through a lot of brain damage to get to where I am today, so no need for others to repeat my mistakes.

Answers to your questions:

1) That is correct, 1 fuse per 25.8v pair.
2) You are correct - no worries, if I'm wrong about something, I'd rather have someone point it out than for me to remain blissfully ignorant about my ignorance. :) They are daisy chained. I tried to use the BP-220 but that failed due to overcurrent. I think the Victron system responds to over/under voltage in a very blunt manner - I don't believe it shuts down nor disconnects individual batteries. One of the cells in one of the batteries is over voltage and the all of the chargers stop charging. In the under voltage situation, it just cuts off your load to prevent battery damage until the charger(s) have raised voltage back above the lower limit.

Each battery can be monitored (temp and cell voltages) via bluetooth. I surmise if your BMS cut everything off, you could check individually and then remove the battery (or more accurately the battery and the one it's serially connected to) from the bank and continue on.

3) My understanding of the low voltage cutoff is that it's "global"  - so the VE.BUS BMS can't instruct a specific BP-220 to load disconnect. I actually think your idea of putting three BP-220s in the system, one for each battery pair MIGHT work to protect the batteries, but as I said, the load disconnect signal is global. Nowhere in the documentation does it show the capacity to assign specific a specific load disconnector to specific batteries. I'm loathe to spend more money on BP-220s when a single one should have been able to handle the passarelle. 

4) The height on the 25.6/200 is a problem. Even with my 12.8/150 model, I had to trim a bit of the bracing on the lid. I just looked and noted the 12.8/200 is reported to be the same size as the 12.8/150. I'm not sure this model existed at the time I installed my system AND it seems a bit odd that you get 33% more capacity with the same size and only 10% more weight. So it may be a typo. But if not, it's an easy way to get more capacity.
https://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/Datasheet-12,8-&-25,6-Volt-lithium-iron-phosphate-batteries-Smart-EN.pdf

6) Great idea in general. I will say that my Volvo isn't ground isolated. A previous owner replaced the 12v alternator and didn't put the isolated version in, so the negative is connected to the bonding system. I've been told by very knowledgable Amel reps that it's not ideal to have the 12v negative connected, but it's not a huge problem. Hell, most boats are setup that way. I'm careful, so we installed an additional "main battery switch" whereby I can disconnect the 12v negative when I'm anchored for a while or tied up, so as to eliminate the connection between 12v negative and bonding. This also prevents the genset/engine from starting, obviously. 

But your idea is very good.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Solar Panels

Scott SV Tengah
 

I'll echo Porter's praise of the LG panels. I have the Neon2 320w and combined they should output 960w.

My MPPT is supposed to handle 1000watts / 35amps and has maxed out more than once, indicating the LG is putting out more than rated output. I add about 200-250AH a day via the LGs.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Scott SV Tengah
 

We'll be there, most likely anchored out in Back Creek starting Monday of that week.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Converting my Amel 54 to lithium batteries: what I did, what I like and what I don't like (after one year of full time live aboard use)

Scott SV Tengah
 

I considered waiting too and we decided we wanted to be able to take advantage of the benefits now, during our circumnavigation. 

It is a personal decision though. The technology isn't to the point where you just order it off the shelf, drop it in and it all works perfectly. I think even with current systems, you could achieve that, but it requires lots of thinking and planning to get there. It's simply too new for most marine electricians to understand. Lead acid has been around for nearly 100 years and can take the abuse. I would argue that, given the number of Amel's I've heard of with lead acid battery bank explosions/problems, lead acid isn't there either.

For us, however, the ability to run the washer, the dishwasher, the toaster, the microwave, the induction cooker, the projector, the water maker, the water heater, aircon,...all without turning on the generator and getting a massive boost in charging efficiency and high load output efficiency - well I wouldn't want to give that up and wait for something that may be better at some indeterminate point in the future. 

The problem with lithium is that there isn't a boat-specific drop in solution. It's too new and there are far too few users for any company to put the R&D into that. I surmise when the new technology comes out, the same lag will be there. 

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Converting my Amel 54 to lithium batteries: what I did, what I like and what I don't like (after one year of full time live aboard use)

Scott SV Tengah
 
Edited

Correct, the Reg-on wire does turn on/off the alternator. 

I installed the manual in-line switch. I will, in fact, turn off the alternator manually during long motoring days, especially if it's sunny.  However, I don't really like a system that requires me to think about it because there will inevitably be one time when I forget. And with lithium, it's just too expensive to leave the health of the system dependent on me never screwing up and forgetting.

As you alluded, none of the manual systems will not correct an over voltage condition. That is, unless you either monitor the batteries constantly through bluetooth or wire the VE.BUS BMS to sound an alarm at over voltage. But then that goes back to requiring your perfect intervention.  So we need to figure out a way to get the VE.BUS BMS "charge disconnect" signal to disconnect the Mastervolt Reg-on wire. Hopefully that Schneider relay draws so little current that the 10mA VE.BUS Bms charge disconnect circuit can trigger it.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Converting my Amel 54 to lithium batteries: what I did, what I like and what I don't like (after one year of full time live aboard use)

Scott SV Tengah
 

Paul,

I generally try to keep it between 40-80% but yes, the Victron literature tells you to charge to 100% every month or two to allow the BMV-712 battery monitor to re-calibrate. I believe it also allows your cells to balance out. We do this but only once every month or two.

My understanding is that if you don't do super heavy draws (eg - 1C or 450 amps in my case) or charge to the absolute highest voltage recommended, the batteries will tend to stay in balance. That has been our experience over the last year. 

To be safe, once a year, I will charge up the bank completely using the Quattro then disconnecting all the batteries and charging them individually with a 12.8v 1.5amp charger until completely full. That's to maintain balance - most likely major overkill, but the cost of the system is quite high, so I'm ok overdoing it. :)

I think you will still need to run the genset now and then. If we have excess energy (eg - over 80% SOC), we will run the water maker to burn off energy. But often, we just do it while motoring. I considered adding another 220 watts (Sunpower flexible panels) on the Bimini. That would put me close to 1200 watts. But the cost and complication of that was too much for me right now (plenty of other higher priority items!) and I resigned to using the genset twice a week. At the end of the day, we should probably use the genset a bit, otherwise my understanding is that non-use can damage it also.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com