Date   

Re: Cabin sole revarnish

James Alton
 

Miles,

   We have had good luck with the Min Wax Polyurathene on cabin soles and other high wear parts of yacht interiors.  The product is single part, low smell, wears well for a single part and is easy to sand and recoat when the time comes.  It does not have the best UV fesistance so I only use this product for down below projects.  A word of warning about strippers. We had to completely remove all of the gelcoat from the hull on a  customers 45' Ketch that was softened by a "gel coat safe" citrus based paint stripper that was left on the hull for an extended period of time.   So if you use a stripper I would  be careful to protect and rinse the gelcoat really well regardless of how safe the product is supposed to be.  Personally, I think protecting the gelcoat from heat and using a heat gun or a sharp scrapper as a a mechanical method such as dry scrapping would  be a better choice than a chemical stripper.

Best of luck,

James
SV Sueno, Maramu #220
Lefkas Greece




Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "smiles bernard via Groups.Io" <smilesbernard@...>
Date: 9/30/19 10:43 PM (GMT+02:00)
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Cabin sole revarnish

Hello fellow Amelians 
After over a year of solid family use my floors  are due a revarnish
I’ve found a great product for stripping the old varnish. Completely odourless and non toxic which is great for confined working spaces and works great. (Safe for grp too and can be used for antifould strip )


I’m still trying to figure out what to put on next and the process. 

My floorboards are a little stained so was planning a light rub down with 240 grit. Perhaps a team cleaner too?
Then revarnish. I’m only interested in single part options tbh so it would seem the main choices are:
- spar varnish for rapid build up followed by a harder wearing top layer or two such as epifanes rubbed effect
- polyurethane like that used in bowling alleys ie non marine specific but hard wearing
- an oil based option. I think sikens have a few options but I’m not sure it that’s at all suitable for interior 

Thoughts and expectations much appreciated

I’m leaning towards polyurethane but my only concern is how to ever remove it. I’m not keen on leaving the next keeper of sea Love a pig of a job when it comes to the next  cabin sole refurbishment 

All the very best
Miles
Sea Love #162



Re: Gearbox for outhaulAmel

 

You can probably wait. Limit the use to short bursts. 

BTW, measuring the amps is an excellent method of determining this mechanical problem. If your 55 is like others I have seen, the gearbox may be full of corrosion.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 10:04 AM Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
For a few weeks or possibly months, the outhaul furler has been slower than the main furler on my A55.  Amel had me check the current limiter - it’s ok - and then had me check the current when furling.  The main furler was about 15A, the outhaul however was 60 to 70 A.  The diagnosis is that I have a failed bearing in the gearbox for the furler.  I’m only 200 miles away from my winter location- do I need to deal with this issue now?  How difficult is it to take the gearbox off and replace the bearing?  The boat is from 2016 so hopefully I don’t have the problem with the seized shaft which has been the topic of lots of discussions on this forum.   Many thanks for any thoughts. 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
currently in Cascais 


Re: Fresh water pump connector

 

Alex,

I believe something has changed since this left the Amel yard. The white plastic piece has been added. Refer to page 58 of your 54 Users Manual. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 10:03 AM Alexander Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...> wrote:
Dear Amelians,
On the pic you see a beige plastic part that connects to the grey tube. It's dripping water. I'm trying to disassemble, turning, pulling, pushing...no success  It stays where it is and the grey tube doesn't come out.. I don't want to apply to much power as I don't know that plumbing connector. Could you help and provide some advice?
Thank you,
Alex
NO STRESS 
AMEL54#15
Mystic, CT


Re: Rudder seal

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Paul,

no it's not OK to replace the packing material while the boat is afloat. You would then have a strong water ingress while you're working for installing the new stuff.
Do it while you do a new anti-fouling, unless you can't wait because you see alot of water coming in and the nylon nut is already all the way in. Then no other option than hauling-out.

Good luck.

Olivier

On Tuesday, October 1, 2019, 06:47:50 PM GMT+2, Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:


Hi Mark, thank you very much and roger that, I have now tightened it as your information but about a 1/2 turn as it was leaking a lot.

So if I do need to replace the packing material I’m guessing you remove the nut to do this and this is ok while the boat is in the water?

Kind Regards Paul 


On 1 Oct 2019, at 6:22 pm, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Paul,

In the Super Maramu there is a large nut at the top of the post.  You tighten it by turning it clockwise looking at it from above.  The general recommendation is to turn it 1/6 of a turn at a time and then wait and check for leaks.  Continue this process until the leak stops.  If it does not ever stop you will need to replace the packing material. 

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Rudder seal

Paul Brown
 

Hi Mark, thank you very much and roger that, I have now tightened it as your information but about a 1/2 turn as it was leaking a lot.

So if I do need to replace the packing material I’m guessing you remove the nut to do this and this is ok while the boat is in the water?

Kind Regards Paul 


On 1 Oct 2019, at 6:22 pm, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Paul,

In the Super Maramu there is a large nut at the top of the post.  You tighten it by turning it clockwise looking at it from above.  The general recommendation is to turn it 1/6 of a turn at a time and then wait and check for leaks.  Continue this process until the leak stops.  If it does not ever stop you will need to replace the packing material. 

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Rudder seal

Mark McGovern
 

Paul,

In the Super Maramu there is a large nut at the top of the post.  You tighten it by turning it clockwise looking at it from above.  The general recommendation is to turn it 1/6 of a turn at a time and then wait and check for leaks.  Continue this process until the leak stops.  If it does not ever stop you will need to replace the packing material. 

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Rudder seal

Paul Brown
 

hello all, 

i am inquiring for some assistance please 

there is a fair amount of sea water entering the rudder steering compartment, it’s likely I think via the rudder seal.

can you please advise the best approach to seal this correctly:

would i tighten the rudder nut clockwise or anticlockwise and is it likely new seals are required and what may the process be to replace and maintain this item?

thank you in advance for any assistance 

kind regards Paul - Fortuna II 55/17


Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Gary Wells
 

Well, we just weren't certain that we would actually be able to return to the Annapolis area in time for anything, but the good part of having been chased away from Nova Scotia by a hurricane is that our timing worked out after all.
That, and the new grandbaby factor worked out just right.

Adagio is in Galesville and we are planning on getting plugged in to as many events as we can. Between the boat show itself, Amel owner events, OCC and SSCA events and catching up.with local friends October is promising to be a very busy month indeed!  

I don't think we will bring Adagio to the Annapolis anchorage but rather will stay on the dock here in Galesville and drive up.

Of course, we'd love to host a couple of "soon-to-be" or "olde-time" friends aboard but I don't think we can do a 'party' or 'gathering' thing this far away from the show. We could definitely arrange for afternoon or evening visits tho. 

Now, it's time re-read all the posts about the goings-on of the Amel crowd and see what we can attend!  ..  (should someone warn the authorities about all this? :) )

It's good to be back in 'home' waters and I look forward to getting connected/re-connected when the chance occurs!  

Gary W.
SM209, Adagio
Galesville, MD


Re: Cabin sole revarnish

Denise McGovern
 

Miles,

We used Waterlox on a 40 year old cabin sole with beautiful results.  https://www.waterlox.com/marine  

An big advantage is that you can re-coat at any time to build the finish,  fix a problem spot, or give a refresh.

Good luck!
Denise
s/v CARA
SM #440
Chesapeake Bay


Re: Volvo TMD22 Timing Belt

Gary Wells
 

Just had ours replaced in Martinique by Didier at Amel.   Both pulleys came with the kit and I was given the old parts for inspection. 

While the timing belt did show some signs of wear it was still in good shape and the pulleys seemed to be perfect; smooth and easy to turn.
Still, it was a good call to replace them as now there is one less potential problem.

The motor is coming up on 6,000 hrs now and is still operating flawlessly.  (Starter Motor notwithstanding:) )

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Galesville, MD USA


Re: Antifouling for the Mediterranean

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Tony;

Please give my regards to Alex. He is a conscientious worker. You will not be disappointed. Also ask him for some “Cow’s wee wee”. He will let you know where and how to use it.

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo 
Amel 54 #099

On Oct 1, 2019, at 11:10 AM, tony wells via Groups.Io <tony.wells@...> wrote:

Bill -  I met with Alex this morning - he was flattered by your praise and sends his regards to you and Judy! And also to Guillaume & Cathy and Mohammad & Aty. 

Tony
A54 #102 Balthazar, Manoel Island, Malta 



On 30 Sep 2019, at 18:21, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Yes, if 20 liters is applied perfectly, it will be very close to 3 complete coats. This happened only one time for me when Manoel Island Boat Yard in Malta and their BEST painter, Alex & his uncle, painted antifouling on BeBe.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 10:07 AM Roque <ediroque@...> wrote:

I second Bill R.

 

Just did the anti-fouling on my A54 and 20 L is a good estimate. You probably can get by with 2 liters less.

 

I used much more because I decided to apply 3 coats 

 

Roque

Attika A54 # 117

Paraty


Em seg, 30 de set de 2019 às 11:31, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> escreveu:
I recommend the Micron series, if available. 

GelSeal is not required on an Amel made after about 1985. In the mid 80s Amel began using a proprietary anti-osmosis layer between the gelcoat and the fiberglass. 

A high quality antifouling paint, proper preparation and application of at least 2 coats with a 3rd at the waterline, leading edges, and rudder will consume most of 20 liters. 

International makes antifouling in 20 liter pales, and 20 liters will allow the above number of unthinned coats for a SM, 54, or 55. This method should give you a very high chance of renewing the antifouling every 2 years. Of course, antifouling life depends on quality of product, preparation, application, number of miles and location. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 9:13 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
How many litres per coat is required for a 54? I expect a 55 is not much or if any a larger surface area and I generally use 12 litres for 2 coats but maybe this is not correct?

Regards Paul Fortuna II 55/17


On 30 Sep 2019, at 1:14 pm, David Crisp <david@...> wrote:

Many thanks to you all for the rapid response, advice and a clear consensus.   I'll go with 2 coats of the 350.

Great to back aboard an Amel again.  About 15 years ago I bought a SM near Nice and took her to Caribbean and back to the UK during a 3 year sabbatical.  This time I've just retired....  So far, after a month, very pleased with the 54, she has many of the improvements I imagined in my mind whilst living aboard the SM.  

Fair winds and following seas to all.
David
SY Wilna Grace


Davits & solar panels

David Crisp
 

Hi All,
I'm fitting davits and ~900W of solar panels to an Amel 54.
 
I've had the good fortune to be able to pick up a pair of secondhand Simpson S300 electric davits (SWG 300kg). My contractor here in France has reasonable experience of Amels and is proposing to mount the solar panels directly on top of the davits - i.e. the davits will take 100% of the load. 
With a Highfield 290 RIB (aluminium) plus Honda 15HP OB I estimate the total weight of dinghy, motor, misc, solar panels will come in well under 300kg - the rating of the davits.  I'm not an engineer, so please excuse this if it's a bit dumb, but I'm a little nervous about placing all that load on the base of the davits/hull. Specifically, whilst clearly the davits will take the load it's more where they are mounted on the stern of the boat I'm bothered about.  At the risk of falling foul of "don't buy a dog and then bark yourself" I'm wanting to validate the opinion of my expert'. Bottom line it is my boat and my responsibility. So.... any experience others have had or comments?

Scott, SY Tengah, I notice you built quite a complex structure on Tengah.  You've got a couple of uprights going directly onto the hull as well as a couple onto the davits. Was this because of something you learned, the yard not being quite so knowledgeable or maybe because your davits have a lower SWG rating?

Best, David
SY Wilna Grace


Re: Antifouling for the Mediterranean

tony wells
 

Bill -  I met with Alex this morning - he was flattered by your praise and sends his regards to you and Judy! And also to Guillaume & Cathy and Mohammad & Aty. 

Tony
A54 #102 Balthazar, Manoel Island, Malta 



On 30 Sep 2019, at 18:21, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Yes, if 20 liters is applied perfectly, it will be very close to 3 complete coats. This happened only one time for me when Manoel Island Boat Yard in Malta and their BEST painter, Alex & his uncle, painted antifouling on BeBe.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 10:07 AM Roque <ediroque@...> wrote:

I second Bill R.

 

Just did the anti-fouling on my A54 and 20 L is a good estimate. You probably can get by with 2 liters less.

 

I used much more because I decided to apply 3 coats 

 

Roque

Attika A54 # 117

Paraty


Em seg, 30 de set de 2019 às 11:31, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> escreveu:
I recommend the Micron series, if available. 

GelSeal is not required on an Amel made after about 1985. In the mid 80s Amel began using a proprietary anti-osmosis layer between the gelcoat and the fiberglass. 

A high quality antifouling paint, proper preparation and application of at least 2 coats with a 3rd at the waterline, leading edges, and rudder will consume most of 20 liters. 

International makes antifouling in 20 liter pales, and 20 liters will allow the above number of unthinned coats for a SM, 54, or 55. This method should give you a very high chance of renewing the antifouling every 2 years. Of course, antifouling life depends on quality of product, preparation, application, number of miles and location. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 9:13 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
How many litres per coat is required for a 54? I expect a 55 is not much or if any a larger surface area and I generally use 12 litres for 2 coats but maybe this is not correct?

Regards Paul Fortuna II 55/17


On 30 Sep 2019, at 1:14 pm, David Crisp <david@...> wrote:

Many thanks to you all for the rapid response, advice and a clear consensus.   I'll go with 2 coats of the 350.

Great to back aboard an Amel again.  About 15 years ago I bought a SM near Nice and took her to Caribbean and back to the UK during a 3 year sabbatical.  This time I've just retired....  So far, after a month, very pleased with the 54, she has many of the improvements I imagined in my mind whilst living aboard the SM.  

Fair winds and following seas to all.
David
SY Wilna Grace


Re: Antifouling for the Mediterranean

Gerhard Mueller
 

It depends heavely on the area in the Mediterranean where the boat stays. Two years in Monastir, Tunisia the boat looks like this:



With same antifouling paint I am now 2 years in Malta and Greece and still there is nothing seen on the hull.
But there is also no fish and no seafood available neither in Malta nor in Greece.
However in Monastir, Tunisia there was plenty fish and seafood at the market and in the restaurants.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Headsail furler issues

Adam Body
 

Hello again: there are three main wires to the headsail furling motor on Flora. Two of these are connected by normal threaded post connection and the third is simply hard connected to the internals of the motor. My question is..what is the purpose of this third connection? 
--
Adam Body "Flora"   SM128 Annee 1994


Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Charles Bell
 

Hello Mike,

I would like to RSVP for your maintenance forum at the show. Please let me know when and where! 


Thank you,


Charles 
SV Saturn
Mango #29


Re: Headsail furler issues

Adam Body
 

Yep: good idea!...hopefully we will get down to the Flora over the next few days and will do as you suggest, Vladimir
--
Adam Body "Flora"   SM128 Annee 1994


Re: Volvo TMD22 Timing Belt

Denis Elborn
 

Hi Mike,

The genuine timing belt kit which include the tensions and idle pully I bought from Keypart Ltd for 156.70 UKP. I think it’s prudent to change the pulley’s for that small amount given the cost if one fails. Not wishing to upset the timing again I also changed the water pump 90.90 UKP.

Regards, Denis
Aventura A54-113

On 1 Oct 2019, at 6:16 am, <mondra@...> <mondra@...> wrote:

Volvo powered owners,
In contemplating the replacement of the timing belt, I note that, for example, Parts4Engines packages the timing belt along with the tensioner and idler. I could not find in the Volvo service manual that those additional items should be routinely replaced as well. What have other owners experienced regarding the tensioner and idler? These parts, at least from Parts4Engines, are considerably more expensive than just the timing belt.
Thanks,
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240


Re: Cabin sole revarnish

Matt Salatino
 

Polyurethane is best as long as its not constantly exposed to direct sun. We finished our cabin in polyurethane. Works very well.....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 30, 2019, at 3:43 PM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

Hello fellow Amelians 
After over a year of solid family use my floors  are due a revarnish
I’ve found a great product for stripping the old varnish. Completely odourless and non toxic which is great for confined working spaces and works great. (Safe for grp too and can be used for antifould strip )


I’m still trying to figure out what to put on next and the process. 

My floorboards are a little stained so was planning a light rub down with 240 grit. Perhaps a team cleaner too?
Then revarnish. I’m only interested in single part options tbh so it would seem the main choices are:
- spar varnish for rapid build up followed by a harder wearing top layer or two such as epifanes rubbed effect
- polyurethane like that used in bowling alleys ie non marine specific but hard wearing
- an oil based option. I think sikens have a few options but I’m not sure it that’s at all suitable for interior 

Thoughts and expectations much appreciated

I’m leaning towards polyurethane but my only concern is how to ever remove it. I’m not keen on leaving the next keeper of sea Love a pig of a job when it comes to the next  cabin sole refurbishment 

All the very best
Miles
Sea Love #162



Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Mike Ondra
 

Aletes would like to host an Amel maintenance/repair forum on board either Thurs or Friday afternoon of Boat Show week. The idea would be to share everyone’s experiences with some of the unique equipment on our vessels.

 

Possible topics, and please add to the list, might include:

Bow Thrusters, furling gearboxes (motorized and manual), battery strategies, deck finish (restoration and striping), anti-fouling, hard-won lessons and other tricks.

 

We’ll do it if there is interest, so let me know which day and additional topics. Bring your issues and get the insights of others.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay