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Re: Rudder seal

Paul Brown
 

Thanks Joerg 

I will purchase the same 

Regards Paul 


On 3 Oct 2019, at 5:44 pm, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Yes, Paul I have an alarm.  See pic. <912F20F9-0240-49B1-BFCA-A690DB64B35F.jpeg>

Re: Rudder seal

Joerg Esdorn
 

Yes, Paul I have an alarm.  See pic. 
Re: 12V supply near 24V panel on Amel 54

Gary Wells
 

I had to run some 12v wiring on my SM.  It's not difficult but will require a bit of patience and a good work light :).
I would definitely recommend that you tap  power from a converter and not from the starter battery. 
At least in my experience it was a frustrating chase to find a current leak in the starter circuit due to an accessory failure that the previous owner had installed.  A dead starter battery is not a high problem, but it is a nuisance.
 At any rate, I would keep the starter circuit dedicated  and isolated to the one task. 
Just my €0.018275 (current exchange rate notwithstanding) worth :
Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Annapolis, MD
Re: 12V supply near 24V panel on Amel 54

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Thomas,

No there is not. I actually mounted one of those DC-DC (24-12 Volt) converters on the inside wall where the fresh water gauge sits on the other side (inside the locker below the ceiling). I put a small DC-distribution thing with fuses next to it and a negative busbar to supply all kind of stuff that I put there.
It is supplied via the big 24 Volt point that sits at the bottom of the locker.
Originally there was a DC-DC (24-24 Volt) converter there used to dim the cabin lights but that did not work anymore because of the LED light replacement. So I also replaced the dimmer button with a push button that now operates the engine-bay illumination so you can light up the engine-bay before entering it.
The feed cable form the engine-bay lights can be isolated from the other lights at the circuit-breaker switch for the "middle of the boat" lights.

Regards,

Arno
SV Luna,
A54-121
Re: 12V supply near 24V panel on Amel 54

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Thomas,

I have few of these cheap converters on Elyse for uses like that....24V in and adjust for 12v out...easy !

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DC-DC-Converter-Step-up-down-5V-12V-24V-Adjustable-Voltage-Power-Supply-Module-/112425670929

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Re: Gearbox for outhaulAmel

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 


On 03 October 2019 at 19:48 Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi,

Salt is all pervasive. It is gritty stuff. If you are minimal sailing with regular rainfall it is not usually too much of a problem. However major passages in the tropics puts gritty salt every where. Including the furler spinners at the top of the sails. Thorough washing with fresh water of all blocks travelers and cars and dropping all sails to wash out  the spinners will save a lot of grief. After the wash and allowing time to dry spray silicone. 

You may be amazed at the results. This includes the mizzen furler gearbox.

Danny

Sm 299

Ocean Pearl

On 03 October 2019 at 15:53 Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Thanks Thomas 

 

On 3 Oct 2019, at 2:48 am, Sv Garulfo < svgarulfo@...> wrote:

Paul, 
You may want to check the block at the end of the boom too, mine and others’ were a bit seized. We cleaned it up and also ordered a replacement from Amel, as it seems to be specially adapted from the stock items. 


Best,
Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Rangiroa, French Polynesia 

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 06:20, Paul Brown < feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Thank you Olivier, I will slacken off a little.

I was wondering if this was causing my slow blow boom fuse to open earlier than it should, as it seems to open often 

Regards Paul 

 

On 2 Oct 2019, at 6:13 pm, Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io < atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Paul,

originally, this line is rather tight, indeed as Bill says, in order to prevent slipage. But with time, UV and salt, this Vectran-core line tends to shrink and gets tighter and tighter which puts more load than necessary on the motor itself. You should loosen a bit the small line tackle at one end of the traveller's line.

Olivier

 

 


 


 


 
Re: Gearbox for outhaulAmel

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi,

Salt is all pervasive. It is gritty stuff. If you are minimal sailing with regular rainfall it is not usually too much of a problem. However major passages in the tropics puts gritty salt every where. Including the furler spinners at the top of the sails. Thorough washing with fresh water of all blocks travelers and cars and dropping all sails to wash out  the spinners will save a lot of grief. After the wash and allowing time to dry spray silicone. 

You may becamazed at the results. Thiscincludescthe 

On 03 October 2019 at 15:53 Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Thanks Thomas 

 

On 3 Oct 2019, at 2:48 am, Sv Garulfo < svgarulfo@...> wrote:

Paul, 
You may want to check the block at the end of the boom too, mine and others’ were a bit seized. We cleaned it up and also ordered a replacement from Amel, as it seems to be specially adapted from the stock items. 


Best,
Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Rangiroa, French Polynesia 

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 06:20, Paul Brown < feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Thank you Olivier, I will slacken off a little.

I was wondering if this was causing my slow blow boom fuse to open earlier than it should, as it seems to open often 

Regards Paul 

 

On 2 Oct 2019, at 6:13 pm, Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io < atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Paul,

originally, this line is rather tight, indeed as Bill says, in order to prevent slipage. But with time, UV and salt, this Vectran-core line tends to shrink and gets tighter and tighter which puts more load than necessary on the motor itself. You should loosen a bit the small line tackle at one end of the traveller's line.

Olivier

 

 


 


 
Re: Gearbox for outhaulAmel

Paul Brown
 

Thanks Thomas 


On 3 Oct 2019, at 2:48 am, Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:

Paul, 
You may want to check the block at the end of the boom too, mine and others’ were a bit seized. We cleaned it up and also ordered a replacement from Amel, as it seems to be specially adapted from the stock items. 


Best,
Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Rangiroa, French Polynesia 

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 06:20, Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Thank you Olivier, I will slacken off a little.

I was wondering if this was causing my slow blow boom fuse to open earlier than it should, as it seems to open often 

Regards Paul 


On 2 Oct 2019, at 6:13 pm, Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Paul,

originally, this line is rather tight, indeed as Bill says, in order to prevent slipage. But with time, UV and salt, this Vectran-core line tends to shrink and gets tighter and tighter which puts more load than necessary on the motor itself. You should loosen a bit the small line tackle at one end of the traveller's line.

Olivier
Re: Gearbox for outhaulAmel

Sv Garulfo
 

Paul, 
You may want to check the block at the end of the boom too, mine and others’ were a bit seized. We cleaned it up and also ordered a replacement from Amel, as it seems to be specially adapted from the stock items. 


Best,
Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Rangiroa, French Polynesia 

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 06:20, Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Thank you Olivier, I will slacken off a little.

I was wondering if this was causing my slow blow boom fuse to open earlier than it should, as it seems to open often 

Regards Paul 


On 2 Oct 2019, at 6:13 pm, Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Paul,

originally, this line is rather tight, indeed as Bill says, in order to prevent slipage. But with time, UV and salt, this Vectran-core line tends to shrink and gets tighter and tighter which puts more load than necessary on the motor itself. You should loosen a bit the small line tackle at one end of the traveller's line.

Olivier
Re: Dyneema loop

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Thomas;

We managed to take the blocks apart. It does take some patience and work since the years of salt and dust have the parts fused together fairly well.

Once apart the new loops fit right in. Take your time and you will get them apart.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Oct 2, 2019, at 9:12 PM, Sv Garulfo via Groups.Io <svgarulfo@...> wrote:

Hi Mohammad,

I always wondered how one would fit those loops on the blocks if they are already closed? Some blocks look like they can be taken apart (and yet it would still be a tight fit), and others not so. 

Any hindsight?


Best,
Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Rangiroa, French Polynesia 

On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 at 20:38, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
Hi Barry;

Glad to hear your hail out went as planned. On Kokomo, all blocks are attached to booms and masts with soft shackles. Attached please find a picture of one of them that we later replaced. We have 2 different lengths and about 7 total (not sure of the exact count because we are currently in the Montenegrin Mountains and not on board to give you an exact count).

Can you send me a list of your contacts and good contractors in Monastir? We may haul out in Tunisia in about a couple of years.

<image1.jpeg>

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty 
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54#099

On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:27 AM, Barry Connor via Groups.Io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Hi Mohammad,

Hope your sailing is going well, we are now in Sardinia. Stopping at Antibes (Dessalator), Hyeres (Amel parts) soon. Had a very successful haul out in Monastir,  cleaned and checked the 2 year old copper coat job we did there and it is doing exactly as it should. Changed the C-drive seals and finally fitted the new rope cutter that I got from Alexandre. 
I do not have any Dyneema loops on any of my rigging. Can you send me a photo of where you use these?  Would be great if these can replace all my metal shackles. 

Best regards

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Sardinia

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 10:40:14 PM GMT+1, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:


Hi Wolfgang;

We just ordered about 7 of the loops from Amel.

Great quality dyneema with cover and perfect fit. I think it’s a good idea to help Amel when we can also. Happy with the purchase and quick shipment.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...> wrote:

Hello to the group,
I would like to renew the dyneema loops of the rigg.Before order at Amel, I would ask for any recommendations.
Our Amel is from 2011 , 20.000 sm.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 (Annapolis) back on boat 2nd of August

12V supply near 24V panel on Amel 54

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi all,

Before I get onto a wild goose chase, does anyone know if there is a 12V power supply in the cabinet behind the 24V panel or nearby, and, if yes, where it comes from (starter battery or 24/12 converters)?

I’m considering adding a light sensitive switch for the anchor/nav lights and the electronic I’ve got requires a 12V/0.1A power supply. 

Cheers,

Thomas 
GARULFO 
A54-122
Rangiroa, French Polynesia 
How to disassemble Nirvana Furling Swivel?

Tom Whitehill
 

Hi,

I'm new to the forum and am excited to be part of the community.
Current Challenge: The Nirvana Mizzen manual furler Swivel on our 1984 Amel Sharki was frozen when we bought her.
I've extracted the swivel from the mast and am now looking for advice/guidance on how to disassemble it so that I can replace bearings, etc.
I've attached some pics of the Swivel for your reference.
Your ideas would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your help,
Tom
Re: Davits & solar panels

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi David,

On Garulfo we decided to have the front legs going to the toe rail. 

I don’t think the bandwith here will allow me to send pics but there are a few where you can see details on

There was also a post by Dean Gillies on sept 28th 2017 on the Amel Yacht Owners Facebook group about the same subject with some useful contributions.



Best,

Thomas 
GARULFO 
A54-122
Rangiroa, French Polynesia 


On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 02:20, David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
Hi All,
I'm fitting davits and ~900W of solar panels to an Amel 54.
 
I've had the good fortune to be able to pick up a pair of secondhand Simpson S300 electric davits (SWG 300kg). My contractor here in France has reasonable experience of Amels and is proposing to mount the solar panels directly on top of the davits - i.e. the davits will take 100% of the load. 
With a Highfield 290 RIB (aluminium) plus Honda 15HP OB I estimate the total weight of dinghy, motor, misc, solar panels will come in well under 300kg - the rating of the davits.  I'm not an engineer, so please excuse this if it's a bit dumb, but I'm a little nervous about placing all that load on the base of the davits/hull. Specifically, whilst clearly the davits will take the load it's more where they are mounted on the stern of the boat I'm bothered about.  At the risk of falling foul of "don't buy a dog and then bark yourself" I'm wanting to validate the opinion of my expert'. Bottom line it is my boat and my responsibility. So.... any experience others have had or comments?

Scott, SY Tengah, I notice you built quite a complex structure on Tengah.  You've got a couple of uprights going directly onto the hull as well as a couple onto the davits. Was this because of something you learned, the yard not being quite so knowledgeable or maybe because your davits have a lower SWG rating?

Best, David
SY Wilna Grace
Re: Dyneema loop

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi Mohammad,

I always wondered how one would fit those loops on the blocks if they are already closed? Some blocks look like they can be taken apart (and yet it would still be a tight fit), and others not so. 

Any hindsight?


Best,
Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Rangiroa, French Polynesia 

On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 at 20:38, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
Hi Barry;

Glad to hear your hail out went as planned. On Kokomo, all blocks are attached to booms and masts with soft shackles. Attached please find a picture of one of them that we later replaced. We have 2 different lengths and about 7 total (not sure of the exact count because we are currently in the Montenegrin Mountains and not on board to give you an exact count).

Can you send me a list of your contacts and good contractors in Monastir? We may haul out in Tunisia in about a couple of years.

image1.jpeg

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty 
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54#099

On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:27 AM, Barry Connor via Groups.Io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Hi Mohammad,

Hope your sailing is going well, we are now in Sardinia. Stopping at Antibes (Dessalator), Hyeres (Amel parts) soon. Had a very successful haul out in Monastir,  cleaned and checked the 2 year old copper coat job we did there and it is doing exactly as it should. Changed the C-drive seals and finally fitted the new rope cutter that I got from Alexandre. 
I do not have any Dyneema loops on any of my rigging. Can you send me a photo of where you use these?  Would be great if these can replace all my metal shackles. 

Best regards

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Sardinia

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 10:40:14 PM GMT+1, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:


Hi Wolfgang;

We just ordered about 7 of the loops from Amel.

Great quality dyneema with cover and perfect fit. I think it’s a good idea to help Amel when we can also. Happy with the purchase and quick shipment.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...> wrote:

Hello to the group,
I would like to renew the dyneema loops of the rigg.Before order at Amel, I would ask for any recommendations.
Our Amel is from 2011 , 20.000 sm.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 (Annapolis) back on boat 2nd of August

Re: Rudder seal

Paul Brown
 

Thanks Joerg 

I’ll see how it goes next season, but I understand it’s function and maintenance more fully now and how to replace it so onwards and upwards 

Do you have a water alarm in the steering enclosure and if so do you know which brand and model?

Regards Paul 


On 2 Oct 2019, at 6:43 pm, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Paul, i had a Little bit of water last Fall and tightened the nut 1/3 of a turn.  No water so far this season.  I would try to tighten the nut further before anything else.  

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 Kincsem

Re: Rudder seal

Joerg Esdorn
 

Paul, i had a Little bit of water last Fall and tightened the nut 1/3 of a turn.  No water so far this season.  I would try to tighten the nut further before anything else.  

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 Kincsem
Re: Gearbox for outhaulAmel

Paul Brown
 

Thank you Olivier, I will slacken off a little.

I was wondering if this was causing my slow blow boom fuse to open earlier than it should, as it seems to open often 

Regards Paul 


On 2 Oct 2019, at 6:13 pm, Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Paul,

originally, this line is rather tight, indeed as Bill says, in order to prevent slipage. But with time, UV and salt, this Vectran-core line tends to shrink and gets tighter and tighter which puts more load than necessary on the motor itself. You should loosen a bit the small line tackle at one end of the traveller's line.

Olivier
Re: Gearbox for outhaulAmel

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Paul,

originally, this line is rather tight, indeed as Bill says, in order to prevent slipage. But with time, UV and salt, this Vectran-core line tends to shrink and gets tighter and tighter which puts more load than necessary on the motor itself. You should loosen a bit the small line tackle at one end of the traveller's line.

Olivier
Re: Gearbox for outhaulAmel

CW Bill Rouse
 

Paul,

Yes.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, 8:34 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Dear Bill,

My out haul line is very very tight (bar tight)do you know if this is acceptable?

Kind regards Paul - Fortuna II 55/17


On 2 Oct 2019, at 2:17 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

The outhaul line should be tight with no deflection in the line. 

I believe the reason that loosening it helped reduce the amps was because the bearings need replacing...reducing side pressure to the axel of a failing bearing will usually allow the easing of the binding pressure. 

A loose outhaul line will allow some slippage through the gearbox line tender sheave on most Amels, although I have yet to see this happen on a 55, which has a different sheave than a SM or 54.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, 3:07 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Thanks Joerg 


On 2 Oct 2019, at 10:02 am, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Loosen the spectra lines that attach the line to the car 

Re: Rudder seal

Paul Brown
 

Thanks again Bill,

I will look into the battery powered water alarm 

Regards Paul 


On 2 Oct 2019, at 2:25 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Paul 

It depends on the amount of corrosion. I helped a 55 owner with this issue. Everything cleaned up with a stainless steel brush and CorrosionX. We used Corroseal afterwards to ensure that we had all of the rust. A few spots turned black indicating some remaining rust. 

I think using only CorrosionX will probably work fine for you. Check it frequently. Amel must have added a battery powered water alarm in 55 models after yours. I highly recommend it. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, 1:46 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Hi Bill

Do you recommend using both products together, Corroseal and CorrosionX or just either?

Corroseal is detailed as a primer, so perhaps I would use this following the application of CorrosionX?

I’m in Sicily Italy and will look for the products of not I’ll order from the US when I’m back in Australia in two weeks 

Thanks again 

Regards Paul 


On 1 Oct 2019, at 9:20 pm, Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Hi bill,

No there is no water alarm in the compartment and the hoses and fittings I don’t think were soaked just splashed. There is no real corrosion as I have been maintaining the fittings by a steel brushing as required and keeping them clean lubricated and greased. 

I hadn’t thought of a water alarm but will now look into an installation

Thank you for the tip with corrosionX and Carroseal, I haven’t used the products before but will certainly try them now.

Again, it’s great to have your assistance with these matters, thank you so much 

Regards Paul - Fortuna II 55/17



On 1 Oct 2019, at 8:50 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Paul,

An interesting comment: Mark McGovern states 1/6 turn is usually adequate for a SM. I have seen this true on all SMs and 54s. But what is interesting is that your 55 is now the 3rd 55 that required 1/2 turn to seal. I am not really sure why the difference. BTW, in all Amels, there is a mechanical lock device on the nut which has to be removed to tighten. All of the 55s I have seen came with an Amel-made wrench for this purpose.

Does your 55 have an Amel-installed water Alarm in the steering compartment? Does it work? Did the hydraulic hose fittings get soaked with saltwater? Is there corrosion on the fittings, solenoid valves and pump(s)/ If so, I found that all can be reasonable cleaned with CorrosionX and a stainless steel brush. You may also want to use Corroseal.

Bill
--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 11:47 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Hi Mark, thank you very much and roger that, I have now tightened it as your information but about a 1/2 turn as it was leaking a lot.

So if I do need to replace the packing material I’m guessing you remove the nut to do this and this is ok while the boat is in the water?

Kind Regards Paul 


On 1 Oct 2019, at 6:22 pm, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Paul,

In the Super Maramu there is a large nut at the top of the post.  You tighten it by turning it clockwise looking at it from above.  The general recommendation is to turn it 1/6 of a turn at a time and then wait and check for leaks.  Continue this process until the leak stops.  If it does not ever stop you will need to replace the packing material. 

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA