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Re: Lighting strike vs insurance [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

Scott SV Tengah
 

This is what Pants USA has in my policy from earlier this year:

"LIGHTNING DEDUCTIBLE

Notwithstanding and superseding any contrary terms or conditions contained anywhere in this policy, the following terms and conditions apply. The lightning deductible of 5% shall apply to any and all covered losses, including partial, total, and constructive total losses, caused directly or indirectly by lightning (“lightning-related loss”) while the insured vessel is in Florida waters from June 1st to November 30th. If it can be demonstrated
by the insured that a lightning protection system of like kind and quality to EMP Solutions Model CMCE-55 was fully functioning and properly installed on board the insured vessel at the time of loss, the lightning deductible stated above shall be reduced to the amount of the standard hull deductible stated on the Declaration Sheets. If the lightning-related loss occurs while the insured vessel is racing in Florida waters during the said time period, the applicable lightning deductible or the racing deductible stated in Section A5 of the PAYP, whichever is higher, shall apply. If the lightning-related loss occurs during authorized towing in Florida waters in the said time period, the applicable lightning deductible or the towing deductibles stated in Section A5 of the PAYP, whichever is higher, shall apply."

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Scott,

Thanks for the reply. The reason I ordered the March pump is because it seems the best bet for a pump that needs to run for extended periods, no brushes an no shaft seal. I’m not so worried about rough seaway as the pump sits below sea level. So even if it draws air for a moment the next moment the boat movement will push water in the sea-chest.

Re: Autopilot

Arno Luijten
 

Alex,

From the picture it seems you are looking at the rod coming from the steering wheel. Are you sure this is the autopilot cylinder/
Depending on this it’s bad or not great, the latter being the rod. 
If it were the autopilot cylinder, I would expect lots of leakage of hydraulic oil as well.

In case it’s the steering cable (the rod) you should consider replacement and for the short term lubrication with grease.

Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Scott SV Tengah
 

Arno,

I misspoke. I meant the UP-2P. That one just runs full speed when there is current applied to it. No need to have the pump build and regulate pressure, which is what the UP-2A does.

In any event, the electrical draws are the same. 

What I do is what Frigoboat does with the Flojet pumps. They sell you the 24v Flojet 4105-343 pump and have you run it at 12v. I take the 24v UP-2P pump and run it at 12v. That makes them run slower, draw less current and last longer.  

If I was in your position with SW cooled fridges, I would try the March pump. I wonder what happens if you're a rough seaway and get some air in the system though. Would the March be able to overcome that air bubble and reprime? I don't know the answer to that. 

The Frigoboat W50F that I have on my 54 requires a gallon a minute, so a little under 4L.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Staysail on a Super Maramu

eric freedman
 

HI Joel,

I believe I have the drawing you are referring to.

If I remember it had a strop around the mast at the upper spreader—not for me.

How are you and Vela?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of amelforme
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 8:37 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Cc: jfpottercys@...
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Staysail on a Super Maramu

 

Hi Eric and I can confirm that the Amel folks in Martinique are correct and Amel never delivered a SM 53 with a staysail installed by the yard. They almost did once but decided at the last moment not to. After delivery, the boat was taken to a local rigger who installed a staysail. I was peripherally familiar with this sequence of events.

As you know, Jacques Carteau who was Amel’s technical manager/chief engineer-designer as well as a reluctant CEO on two separate occasions. His job was to take Captain Amel’s thoughts and do the engineering and then work with the production manager to be sure the boats were built properly.

Mr. Carteau encouraged my curiosity about all things Amel and spent quite some time with me over the years to answer all my questions so I could better inform my Amel customers about all the special and unique features which made Amel boats so desirable for serious offshore adventuring.

Mr. Carteau once explained why he would not install a staysail on a Super Maramu. When I gently but insistently told him that a staysail would enhance the boat both from a performance as well as a safety standpoint, he actually drew me a drawing showing what he said was the only correct way to install a staysail but urged me not to do so.

I have written about this in these spaces before and perhaps someone could dig my staysail install instructions out of the archives. If not, I could do it once again if anyone is interested.

Most of the Amel staysail installs I have seen were done incorrectly and apply serious loads into components that were never designed for such loading, according to what Mr. Carteau showed and told me.

 

Have Fun With Your Amel, Joel    

 

       JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 10:20 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Staysail on a Super Maramu

 

Hi Amelians,

I have been speaking with Amel Martinique. They say they never delivered a Super Maramu with a Staysail.

I believe a number of you have had them installed when the boat was manufactured.

If you have a factory (LA Rochelle) installed please contact me.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Re: Staysail on a Super Maramu

eric freedman
 

Hi,

I could not connect to your Email.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Bassin
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 2:34 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Staysail on a Super Maramu

 

Hi Eric

If you are interested in having one installed , pls contact me at

huey at hispeed.ch, I may be able to help.

Brgrds

Gerald Bassin

Jetlag SM 113


On 7 Oct 2019, at 04:20, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Amelians,

I have been speaking with Amel Martinique. They say they never delivered a Super Maramu with a Staysail.

I believe a number of you have had them installed when the boat was manufactured.

If you have a factory (LA Rochelle) installed please contact me.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Scott,

I looked up the Marco UP2A pump. According to the tech specs it draws around 3 amps @ 12 Volt. AFAIK that is too much for the pump switch that is normally installed on the A54. Did you remove this or did you something else to make this work.
It does seem to be more power hungry than the original solution. This I why I'm going to test the March pump. But I'm using sea-water for the cooling.

Regards,

Arno
SV Luna,
A54-121

Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Scott SV Tengah
 

Exactly right. The keel (aka freshwater tank) is below the pump but I think the waterline is above it.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

 

March will not have the required lift if you use the freshwater tank.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 2:58 PM Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:
Hi,

We don’t cool the fridge with fresh water. We thought of doing it but then abandoned the idea for a number of reasons. However I’m puzzled about your comment, can you give more details?

Thanks for the tip on the up2a pump!

Best,

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 09:21, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
Soraya,

I can say that the March Brushless won't work if you're cooling the fridges with fresh water. I switched to a Marco UP2A pump as you can replace the brushes/seals for cheap and they seem to meet my requirements: low draw and 4L per minute at 12v.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Autopilot

Alexander Ramseyer
 

Dear Amelians,
I see some black dust that seems to come from the cylinder of the autopilot (see pic). How concerned should I be? Is it something serious that needs to be repaired immediately or is it just normal to have this sort of dust?
Thanks for your advice,
Alex
SY NO STRESS 
Amel54#15

Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Scott SV Tengah
 

Yes, I'll dinghy over. I have a few extra, what I believe to be SM spare parts that I can bring. Previous owner, who also owned a SM prior, left them aboard.

Free to anyone who wants them. 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Lighting strike vs insurance [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

 

Jeroen,

Pantaenius has apparently inserted a clause that gives them complete wiggle room to not pay an electronics claim because they do not list a type of system, or approved systems. In fact, there are no systems that will always protect electronics from the electromagnetic surge caused by some lightning.  My guess is that even if you used what Olivier Beaute suggests, the insurance company can easily say that it was not adequate protection, because damage to onboard electronics occurred, and that is proof that your system was not adequate. Regarding Olivier Beaute, there is not a better surveyor in the world and I only recommend Olivier.

If it were me, I would ask Pantaenius if they approve the Forespar Lightning Master Static Dissipater (photo below), which you can buy for about 150€. If this is approved by them, please let us all know and install it for this reason: "You will have insurance when lightning strikes and damages your electronics." If they do not approve this Forespar item, ask them specifically what they approve. If you know a Catholic Priest, he will have a blessing to protect your boat from lightning strikes (Yes, they really do). And, lastly, between you and me, the priest's blessing will work slightly better than the Forespar Lightning Master Static Dissipater.
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--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 8:43 AM Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Matt
This was 2 years ago since then they have changed their restrictions in the Caribbean so much for hurricane protection that I have changed to Novamar
Cheers
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
Secret Harbour Grenada


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Oct 7, 2019 9:00 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Lighting strike vs insurance [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

Courtney,
When did this happen.
I’m shopping for insurance for our new Amel, and was steered away from Pantaenius USA by many....
Thanks,

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Oct 7, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

When I first bought Trippin we had a near lightning strike not direct but close enough other boats in the Marina were affected Pantaenius US was my carrier and covered Most of the costs upward of $17,000 and were very easy to work with.
Cheers
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
Secret Harbour Grenada 


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Oct 7, 2019 8:24 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Lighting strike vs insurance [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

The only way to prevent lightning damage to electronics is to be far away from a strike. You need to find a carrier that covers electronics. It’s a pricey fix! Ask Pantaenius again to rewrite your coverage to include electronics in case if lightning strike.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Oct 7, 2019, at 4:41 AM, Jeroen jeltes <j.jeltes@...> wrote:

is this topic still active ?? Since this topic is several years past, and situations might have changed including insurance companies, i like to bring it up again .

Dear Olivier and Biil and all forum members. 

We are owner of Fidelis  A54 2009 and surveyed by Olivier in April 2018.

We recently changed insurance company because our previous insurers had no ocean going vessel experience.

Now we have Panteanius who seem to be professional and experienced and have some good recommendations,  yet..

On the policy( september 2019)  is a special reservation which excludes damage on electrical systems and navigatinal equipment caused by

lightningstrike , if there is no special system to prevent this damage !

The question is, would the existing bonding system be accepted te prevent damage  by lighting strike ?

Have yacht owners added new systems now insurance companies seem to reduce their risk ?

comment welcome.

Jeroen Jeltes

sv Fidelis A54

Re: Amel 55 : Beam IV in Grenada

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Bill, my remark was a joke

Danny

On 08 October 2019 at 08:53 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Danny,

The water is not in the keel on a 55.


--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
 
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
     
 


On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 1:36 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

I'm shocked, amel has abandoned its high tech floating rod.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 07 October 2019 at 06:32 Paul Brown < feeder.brown@...> wrote:

On my 55/17 it is above the fuel gauge on the 24v panel at the captains table

Regards Paul - Fortuna II

 

On 6 Oct 2019, at 1:16 am, Stuart Hemingway < stuart@...> wrote:

Can anyone advise please where to find the water gauge in an Amel 55

 

Stuart

 

Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA

 

Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,

 

 Grove Park Studios,

188-192 Sutton court Road,

Chiswick,

London,

W4 3HR

 

Telephone

From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

 

E . Studio@...

W. www.groveparkstudios.co.uk.

 


 


 

 

 

Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi,

We don’t cool the fridge with fresh water. We thought of doing it but then abandoned the idea for a number of reasons. However I’m puzzled about your comment, can you give more details?

Thanks for the tip on the up2a pump!

Best,

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 09:21, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
Soraya,

I can say that the March Brushless won't work if you're cooling the fridges with fresh water. I switched to a Marco UP2A pump as you can replace the brushes/seals for cheap and they seem to meet my requirements: low draw and 4L per minute at 12v.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Spurs linecutter

 

Wolfgang,

Spurs B 1 ½ "

 

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 6:53 AM Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello to the group,
I would like to  buy a service-kit for the spurs linecutter for Amel 54.
Does anyone know the size or partnumber ?
Thank you very much Wolfgang SY Elise Amel 54 #162

Re: Amel 55 : Beam IV in Grenada

 

Danny,

The water is not in the keel on a 55.


--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 1:36 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

I'm shocked, amel has abandoned its high tech floating rod.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 07 October 2019 at 06:32 Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

On my 55/17 it is above the fuel gauge on the 24v panel at the captains table

Regards Paul - Fortuna II

 

On 6 Oct 2019, at 1:16 am, Stuart Hemingway < stuart@...> wrote:

Can anyone advise please where to find the water gauge in an Amel 55

 

Stuart

 

Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA

 

Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,

 

 Grove Park Studios,

188-192 Sutton court Road,

Chiswick,

London,

W4 3HR

 

Telephone

From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

 

E . Studio@...

W. www.groveparkstudios.co.uk.

 


 


 

Re: Converting my Amel 54 to lithium batteries: what I did, what I like and what I don't like (after one year of full time live aboard use)

Sv Garulfo
 


It disconnects the batteries altogether. There is ‘only’ one pair of poles on the battery. I’ve seen lithium setups where the loads and the chargers were on separate pairs of poles. If that is your case, i guess you could put the relay on whichever pair is appropriate. 

On a side note to follow up on the 90%SOC management in the MasterVolt set up, i programmed the ‘battery full’ event to put the MPPT in float state, where it feeds amps as per the load requirement and only drips a few amps into the batteries. 
It does not seem to go back to ‘bulk’ if the SOC drops back below the ‘battery full’ level, bit it would based on the “return to bulk” voltage. The next day it automatically switches back on with daylight in bulk mode. 

I also set the Alpha Pro alternator regulator charging mode to “suspended” upon the ‘battery full’ event. Again it does not fall back to charging below that level, so I created a button to turn the charging ON/OFF manually. 
I need to test what the float mode of the alternator does to see if that’s a better state. 

I haven’t tried the battery charger yet but I guess i would just set it on float state and it should just feed the loads and keep the batteries at 90%SOC, for instance for long term on shore power. 


Best,

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Fakarava, French Polynesia 


On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 09:29, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
Thomas,

Do your ML7720B disconnects completely disconnect the battery? I would like to simply disconnect the loads,  but allow the charging circuits to remain intact as our Victron VE.BMS has separate triggers to cutoff charging (overvoltage or over temperature) and load (under voltage). 

I talked to Victron about using three BP220 load disconnects, one for each battery, but two problems arose: (1) the BP220 is not bidirectional with respect to current and (2) I don't want to disconnect the battery, just the load.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Mike Ondra
 

Great. You have transport from Weems Creek?

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 3:18 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

 

Mike,

I'm keen to join the maintenance/repair get together on your boat. Thanks for hosting it!
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
Currently anchored at Weems Creek, MD
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Converting my Amel 54 to lithium batteries: what I did, what I like and what I don't like (after one year of full time live aboard use)

Scott SV Tengah
 

Thomas,

Do your ML7720B disconnects completely disconnect the battery? I would like to simply disconnect the loads,  but allow the charging circuits to remain intact as our Victron VE.BMS has separate triggers to cutoff charging (overvoltage or over temperature) and load (under voltage). 

I talked to Victron about using three BP220 load disconnects, one for each battery, but two problems arose: (1) the BP220 is not bidirectional with respect to current and (2) I don't want to disconnect the battery, just the load.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Scott SV Tengah
 
Edited

Soraya,

I can say that the March Brushless won't work if you're cooling the fridges with fresh water. I switched to a Marco UP2A (Correction: UP2-P) pump as you can replace the brushes/seals for cheap and they seem to meet my requirements: low draw and 4L per minute at 12v.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com