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Re: Autopilot

 

Alex & Arno AND others interested

In the early days of the 54 production, there were at least some fitted with the same Raymarine M81134 Type 2 Long Linear Drive 24 Volt units, Raymarine 7001+ control head and a Raymarine autopilot computer (plus fluxgate and rudder ref).  This, BTW, is the reason the photo of the helm in your A54 Manual shows Raymarine:
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Maybe Alex has Raymarine. In that case it is normal for a Raymarine drive unit of this age to be spilling some dust. I believe the dust normally comes from brush wear on the 24 volt motor, but may also be some wear of the 12 volt clutch. The reddish brown color makes me believe it might be the clutch, but the carbon brush dust will turn a reddish color from rust. If I am correct about the Raymarine drive, it is one of those bulletproof devices from the past and you should certainly have it rebuilt, or DIY.

Bill

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On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 6:43 PM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
Alex,

From the picture it seems you are looking at the rod coming from the steering wheel. Are you sure this is the autopilot cylinder/
Depending on this it’s bad or not great, the latter being the rod. 
If it were the autopilot cylinder, I would expect lots of leakage of hydraulic oil as well.

In case it’s the steering cable (the rod) you should consider replacement and for the short term lubrication with grease.


Re: Gennaker + furler for sale

Paul Brown
 

Hi Scott 

We are currently wintering in north Sicily and planning to cross late next year to the Caribbean, so it’s a long shot, if you still have it on board when you get to Australia if that’s on route we can arrange a trade then or some other time if no one purchases it from you in the mean time 

It is a great attribute for sailing for sure 

Regards Paul - Fortuna 55/17


On 8 Oct 2019, at 7:30 pm, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:

Paul,

We love it and have kept it as a backup to our code zero but we're getting a Parasailor for the Pacific crossing, so that bow locker is getting a wee bit tight. 

With respect to it working on a 55, it should work. The 54's mast and Genoa is slightly smaller than the 55, so the A55 won't have any problems with respect to it being too big. 

Let's see if anyone else wants it, otherwise I would like to sell it prior to getting to leaving the US in a month or so as we are picking up our Parasailor in the Caribbean and would prefer not having to deal with storing both!
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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Eno oven flows gas WITHOUT flame

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Scott,
Clearly having gas continue to flow with no flame should not be able to occur.  

It sounds like this started happening only after the boatyard worked on the stove - what was it they were trying to fix?  That may help finding the problem.

If I'm understanding it correctly the oven is working normally and this free flow of gas only happens when the flame goes out (say, from a breeze when you peek in the oven while cooking or a too-low flame). Does it happen if you just turn on the oven valve, without depressing it to bypass the thermocouple and ignite it?  

How long does the gas continue to flow?  Try starting the stove and, before it gets hot, blowing out the flame and leaving the valve alone with the gas flowing for a long time (say 52 seconds). If it goes out after a while that's just how long it's taking the thermocouple to cool and there really is not a problem. 

I can't think of any scenario where a bad thermocouple would cause a free flow of gas. It has to be heated to produce the current that keeps the valve open.
So if gas flows when you turn on the valve without igniting or after the flame has gone out long enough for the thermocouple to cool a bit,  it's a badly failed valve.

Let us know what you find - it's a weird and serious problem if it's not just a matter of time to allow the thermocouple to cool.
Craig


Re: Gennaker + furler for sale

Scott SV Tengah
 

Paul,

We love it and have kept it as a backup to our code zero but we're getting a Parasailor for the Pacific crossing, so that bow locker is getting a wee bit tight. 

With respect to it working on a 55, it should work. The 54's mast and Genoa is slightly smaller than the 55, so the A55 won't have any problems with respect to it being too big. 

Let's see if anyone else wants it, otherwise I would like to sell it prior to getting to leaving the US in a month or so as we are picking up our Parasailor in the Caribbean and would prefer not having to deal with storing both!
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump and a New Source for Marco Pumps

Scott SV Tengah
 

To expand on Bill's expansion :), replacing the rotor cap requires unbolting the old one and swapping out the new one.  I would get the seal kit, too. It's only 8 euro or so. Includes the shaft lip seal and a replacement bearing.

Every A54 seems to be different (!?!?) but to use the Marco on mine required me to buy hose barb adapters. I got these:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Male-Thread-Pipe-Fitting-x-Barb-Hose-Tail-Connector-BSP-Stainless-Steel-ark/253006828611?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=552054492119&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

I got the 3/8" BSP x 15mm barb. The BSP end is for the pump and the barb end is for my existing hoses. You will need 2 of these.

 


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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Gennaker + furler for sale

Paul Brown
 

G’day Scott 

We have the same set up on our 55 and it’s a great Gennika sail and furler unit. We find we can run up to 16knots true with no issue and she really moves us along, but it does helps motoring down wind when you need to furl in... We have had it up to 22knots true, though not by choice and find it a little tougher to furl in, but by motoring down wind at around 7knots at 150 degrees it is manageable at 22 knots true if the situation arises.. it does work so well and very handy between 50-150deg in light winds we find, it’s our favourite sail.

You should hang onto it as a spare perhaps.

I’m not sure if you’re sail would work on a 55 but I would like it as a spare if you don’t sell it along the way 

Regards Paul - Fortuna II 55/17


On 8 Oct 2019, at 6:44 pm, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:

We didn't have many photos since we don't use it much because it overlaps with our code zero.

We got the gennaker up on our last trip and took some more photos. As mentioned, there are some dirty spots that could use some washing. We used it at 180degrees apparent, but that was because we're in the Chesapeake now and there's little swell. Usually we use it from 50-130 apparent or so.

Of course it fits an A54 perfectly. It appears that SM owners should have a small bowsprit made due to the size.  I understand Eric of Kimberlite had one made for his far larger gennaker and it works well. You can see in one of the photos how I attach it on my A54 - right to the bow roller.

We're in Annapolis for the boat show for the next week or so and then leaving the US for the Caribbean after Nov 1. My friends over at Quantum have stated that they can help me ship it and they stated it won't be too expensive, for what that's worth! 

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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: Gennaker + furler for sale

Scott SV Tengah
 

We didn't have many photos since we don't use it much because it overlaps with our code zero.

We got the gennaker up on our last trip and took some more photos. As mentioned, there are some dirty spots that could use some washing. We used it at 180degrees apparent, but that was because we're in the Chesapeake now and there's little swell. Usually we use it from 50-130 apparent or so.

Of course it fits an A54 perfectly. It appears that SM owners should have a small bowsprit made due to the size.  I understand Eric of Kimberlite had one made for his far larger gennaker and it works well. You can see in one of the photos how I attach it on my A54 - right to the bow roller.

We're in Annapolis for the boat show for the next week or so and then leaving the US for the Caribbean after Nov 1. My friends over at Quantum have stated that they can help me ship it and they stated it won't be too expensive, for what that's worth! 

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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump and a New Source for Marco Pumps

 

Two Things: More about the UP2-P and a New Source for Marco Pumps:

I believe that the UP2-P pump with PTFE gears (impellers), rated at 10 l/min at 24 volts, part number 16420213, is a good replacement for the Flojet 4105. I believe that the UP2-P 24 volt pump will output about 5 liter/min when connected to 12 volts and draw about 1.5 amps. To expand on Scott's statement about replacing brushes, Marco part number R6400080 (R-KIT motor cap ø52 mm) costs 24.93€ from www.Marco.it, or $28.56 from www.marco-pumps.com (more about this source below). This motor cap has the brushes installed. I believe that the best process is to simply replace this cap (photo below).The more adventurous could probably find and solder brushes to the existing cap.
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There is another source for Marco Pumps, shipping Marco pumps, worldwide from Vienna: www.marco-pumps.com  You will find almost all Marco pumps at this site (soon to be 100% of them), and a huge selection of Marco Pump Parts (Spares and Accessories). This source regularly ships to all of Europe AND is especially good for shipping to the USA, because they have a flat rate of $15 to ship to the US via USPS. They are now one of about 25 of the Preferred Vendors to Amel Yacht Owners SchoolThe Preferred Vendor Discounts range from 5% to 20% on Amel OEM parts, equivatents, and services. 

I will share the Preferred Vendor Discount code for Yacht School clients with www.marco-pumps.com I have never done this before in this group. The Preferred Vender codes have always only been available to my clients, but I will make the exception this time. If you choose to order from www.marco-pumps.com, use code AMELSCHOOL to receive an additional 5%. Frankly, it appears that www.marco-pumps.com may be the best place to buy Marco Pump Parts (Spares and Accessories). They appear to stock a wider variety than www.Marco.it or the Marco US distributor www.mate-usa.com

DISCLAIMERS: 
I receive absolutely nothing when my clients order from Preferred Vendors
We do not have much history or experience with www.marco-pumps.com. At this point, I know of only one Amel owner who has ordered from them.


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CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 8:54 PM Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:

Ok thanks Bill and Scott, that’s what I guessed 

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 11:45, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
Exactly right. The keel (aka freshwater tank) is below the pump but I think the waterline is above it.

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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Alan Grayson
 

Hi Mike, 5.00ish it is.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM406 Ora Pai
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I checked with Davis’ Pub (Eastport) for Thursday evening. They do not take reservations but said they are not too busy between 5:00 and 6:00 so seating for 10 or so should not be a problem. Let’s shoot for 5:30. Alan and Kent/Iris have expressed interest in dinner. All are welcome aboard Aletes earlier in the afternoon to talk about the exciting topic of Amel maintenance.  Please confirm attendance at either event. Looking forward it!

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

 

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Subject: RE: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

 

For the maintenance/repairs “forum” (sounds way too formal) I have RSVP’s so far from Jay Pokorski and Charles (SV Saturn). We’ll meet on Aletes (anchored at the mouth of Back  Creek…unless weather pushes an alternative anchorage…will advise) at 2:00 Thursday afternoon. Anyone land based or dinghy deprived that wants to attend let us know and we can arrange a pickup. Anyone is welcome to join us for beverages and dinner afterwards at Davis’ Pub.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

 

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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

 

Aletes would like to host an Amel maintenance/repair forum on board either Thurs or Friday afternoon of Boat Show week. The idea would be to share everyone’s experiences with some of the unique equipment on our vessels.

 

Possible topics, and please add to the list, might include:

Bow Thrusters, furling gearboxes (motorized and manual), battery strategies, deck finish (restoration and striping), anti-fouling, hard-won lessons and other tricks.

 

We’ll do it if there is interest, so let me know which day and additional topics. Bring your issues and get the insights of others.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay


Re: Eno oven flows gas WITHOUT flame

Scott SV Tengah
 

Thomas,

The process I have implemented is that we turn off the solenoid FIRST and then the gas knobs. 

But humans, especially new/temporary visiting crew not used to doing that on land, sometimes make mistakes, despite all my red tape and written/verbal reminders that gas is dangerous. I want to fix the technical issue as relying on perfect process alone is a recipe for disaster IMO.

Anyone else with knowledge/ideas?

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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Polar Files for Amel 54

Scott SV Tengah
 

Thanks Alex, we do need to update the page more often, but Tengah keeps us busy. :)

Aside from the Furuno VX2, we use OpenCPN to navigate. They do have some weather routing plugin but I haven't messed around with it. Be interested to hear if you can use the polar file and if it's helpful.  I think the forum downsizes attachments quite a bit, so if you need a higher Rez version of the polars, message me privately.

That's great that you have those additional renewable sources. I'm jealous. I keep hearing conflicting things about the desirability of windgens but it seems you're pretty happy with yours. I did a round the world overland about a decade ago and after calculating my impact during that trip, I made a promise to make this go around a little less environmentally damaging. Glad to see you're well on your way there!

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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Eno oven flows gas WITHOUT flame

Thomas Kleman
 

Sounds like you have both a technical prob with oven but also a process issue. If someone didn't completely shut the oven off, they should have also closed the gas off with the solenoid. On our boat we have a propane detector which we regularly test. We also test the solenoid. As this is my greatest fear (propane leak) I also physically go to propane locker and shut off gas at the valve. I know that's overkill. It takes me under 60 seconds, and I sleep better.

But bottom line I would never rely on the thermocoupling alone to prevent your under galley spaces from filling up with gas.

Thomas Kleman
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422


Re: Eno oven flows gas WITHOUT flame

tony wells
 

Hi Scott

I’m not on the boat and can’t answer your question, sorry, but I am surprised that the A54 is not fitted with a gas alarm/detector under the oven, which should switch off the gas solenoid in the event of detecting gas ie in the precarious scenario experienced by you! I would like to fit an alarm/detector with this functionality - can anyone comment / recommend a model please?

Thanks

Tony
A54 #102 Malta

On 8 Oct 2019, at 14:53, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Our Eno oven will flow gas even if there is no flame. My understanding is that the thermocouple is supposed to be stop the flow of gas if there is no flame AND FAILS CLOSED. Is this correct?

Our situation is the opposite. If someone aboard forgets to turn off the oven gas flow completely or if the flame dies, the oven continues to flow gas. This is obviously dangerous. 

We had some issues with the oven and had it serviced prior but the boatyard is not being responsive now. Any ideas on what could be wrong? Given the downside if I screw up, I'm hoping to get some advice before digging in and playing with it. We have the standard oven on a A54, so I think it's the same as the SM.

Thanks!


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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Eno oven flows gas WITHOUT flame

Scott SV Tengah
 

Hi all,

Our Eno oven will flow gas even if there is no flame. My understanding is that the thermocouple is supposed to be stop the flow of gas if there is no flame AND FAILS CLOSED. Is this correct?

Our situation is the opposite. If someone aboard forgets to turn off the oven gas flow completely or if the flame dies, the oven continues to flow gas. This is obviously dangerous. 

We had some issues with the oven and had it serviced prior but the boatyard is not being responsive now. Any ideas on what could be wrong? Given the downside if I screw up, I'm hoping to get some advice before digging in and playing with it. We have the standard oven on a A54, so I think it's the same as the SM.

Thanks!


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Arno,
I've got a March and, yes, it does occasionally lose it's prime in rough conditions. Sometimes it recovers by itself, other times it needs to be manually primed (removing the outlet hose to flood it with sea water). On the SN there is no sea-chest, so it may be less of an issue for you, but if it sucks air it may not re-prime.


Re: Lighting strike vs insurance [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

Jeroen jeltes
 

Thank you Olivier, Bill, and all ,  i will start a discussion with the Panteanius and will let you know the result. Jeroen.


Re: Polar Files for Amel 54

Alexander Hofmann
 

Hi Scott,
thanks a lot, very helpful!!!
If you navigate with TZ Navigator (former MaxSea), do you have the similar Polar Data stored for navigation (under "Polar" in the main menue line at the top of the screen)?
If not I can do this manually also.
Have had a look on your website. Like very much of your concept of sustainable travel. Gives me new ideas and insights. I do this on my SY Oceanica I Amel54#156 with 2/3 energy autonomy on anchor and 100% while sailing long distance via solar, 2 wind-gens and 1 hydro-gen Watt&Sea, and in my business, with a lot of success. Sustainability and and environmental and climate protection is THE road to success, also in economics, if you do it right and long-terms. Bravo for your concept!!!
Fair winds
Alexander


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Sv Garulfo
 


Ok thanks Bill and Scott, that’s what I guessed 

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 11:45, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
Exactly right. The keel (aka freshwater tank) is below the pump but I think the waterline is above it.

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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Spurs linecutter

Wolfgang Weber
 

Thank you Bill





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Spurs B 1 ½ "

 

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On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 6:53 AM Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello to the group,
I would like to  buy a service-kit for the spurs linecutter for Amel 54.
Does anyone know the size or partnumber ?
Thank you very much Wolfgang SY Elise Amel 54 #162


Re: Lighting strike vs insurance [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

Scott SV Tengah
 

This is what Pants USA has in my policy from earlier this year:

"LIGHTNING DEDUCTIBLE

Notwithstanding and superseding any contrary terms or conditions contained anywhere in this policy, the following terms and conditions apply. The lightning deductible of 5% shall apply to any and all covered losses, including partial, total, and constructive total losses, caused directly or indirectly by lightning (“lightning-related loss”) while the insured vessel is in Florida waters from June 1st to November 30th. If it can be demonstrated
by the insured that a lightning protection system of like kind and quality to EMP Solutions Model CMCE-55 was fully functioning and properly installed on board the insured vessel at the time of loss, the lightning deductible stated above shall be reduced to the amount of the standard hull deductible stated on the Declaration Sheets. If the lightning-related loss occurs while the insured vessel is racing in Florida waters during the said time period, the applicable lightning deductible or the racing deductible stated in Section A5 of the PAYP, whichever is higher, shall apply. If the lightning-related loss occurs during authorized towing in Florida waters in the said time period, the applicable lightning deductible or the towing deductibles stated in Section A5 of the PAYP, whichever is higher, shall apply."

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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com