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Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

Thomas Kleman
 

Oh Mark- on your last question, have never used it on the run rail. We clean that with Vaseline every few months and the red comes back nicely.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422

Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

Thomas Kleman
 

Mark- this is what I used. Bought a case of it from a Dutch paint store in Bonaire. The pic I posted was of my sun-bleached deck locker half treated with polytrol (which was fully dry). Joel- as usual great info. I will keep that in mind before any future painting. The black deck stripes (polyurethane one part) paint continues to hold up under the polytrol after more than 5 years.

Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

amelforme
 

Hi Tom and Mark. I have used Polytrol with good results for decades and it does what they say it will. One caution. Painters absolutely hate this stuff. The reason Polytrol works so good is it is not a surface product . It really penetrates the surface and restores lost esters deep within polyester and other plasticized finishes. The makers state that any ammonia based cleaner will remove it but enough gets left behind when using only amonia that causes fish eyes and poor adhesion problems. Ask me how I know this.

If you use Polytrol ( and I still do ) be sure to tell your painter before permanently restoring any surface with new paint. There are special ( read expensive and deadly ) solvents that will remove it entirely. I have been told by painters that forgot more about surface preparation than I will ever know, if you sand a surface without removing Polytrol, it is likely you won’t be able to later get all the Polytrol out.

Just like most everything that does an outstanding job at something specific, there usually caveats associated with their useage .

This usually comes with experience. Shared experience makes our owners group as useful as it gets…

 

Have Fun With Your Amel, Joel

      

 

       JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark McGovern
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 4:07 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

 

Tom,

Looks great!  I might have to give that a try.  I did find something called Polytrol on Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/Owatrol-Polytrol-Color-Restorer-500ml/dp/B008F7W6M0/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8)

Is that what you used or did you use the "Marine Polytrol" found here:  https://www.owatrolusa.com/product/marine-polytrol/

Have you ever used it on the rub rail?  My SM2K Redline looks more like an SM2k Pinkline right now!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

karkauai
 

Hi Steve,
I paid 8.70€/M plus shipping. I’m not sure she has enough to do another boat.  She couldn’t tell me anything about it when I was placing my order.  Said she had Some of several different profiles that had been used over the years, and sent me the one she did based on my description and pic of my original.  It sounded like that may be the last of what she has.  It is a stock design that should be available considerable cheaper where ever you are (Hawaii?)

Malama mai ka’i nui loa lawe, ko’u ho’aloha.

A hui hou.
Kent
Kristy
SM 243

On Oct 9, 2019, at 3:45 PM, Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote:


Hi Kent,

What is Amel charging per meter for the material?

Thanks,

Steve
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii

On Oct 9, 2019, at 09:39, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

I got the seals from Maud at Amel France.  They are half-round with a stiff bottom and what I think is neoprene rounded top.  The top is very soft and appears to be exactly the same as the originals.  The attached pics show the old (on the left) and new seals, the adhesive strips, and how Amel cut a small “V” at the site where the hinge bolt/washer/nut come close to the seal.  It is difficult to make the corners exact, I chose to add silicone caulk inside the corners and at the sites where the wedge was cut out to make room for the bolt.

Hardest part is reinstalling as it requires working on both sides of the hatch to tighten the hinge bolts.  Made easier by replacing the slot head bolts with Phillips heads.  Would be much easier with two people.


I will report again in a month or two to let you know how well it worked.

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Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

Mark McGovern
 

Tom,

Looks great!  I might have to give that a try.  I did find something called Polytrol on Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/Owatrol-Polytrol-Color-Restorer-500ml/dp/B008F7W6M0/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8)

Is that what you used or did you use the "Marine Polytrol" found here:  https://www.owatrolusa.com/product/marine-polytrol/

Have you ever used it on the rub rail?  My SM2K Redline looks more like an SM2k Pinkline right now!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

karkauai
 

What are we looking at here, Thomas? Is the photograph of outboard sun-bleached and inboard fresh polytrol?

Has anyone looked at the faux teak material that is custom manufactured to fit and glued onto the deck with adhesive?


Kent
Kristy
SM 243

On Oct 9, 2019, at 2:52 PM, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:


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Have not applied Polytrol for about a year and the Panamanian summer was rough on the deck. Amazing how much color fade occurs. I believe there are SM owners out there contemplating repainting who might be surprised at the results of this process. I've only seen it for sale in Dutch and French islands (not an exhaustive search). I have no financial interest in this product but wanted to add to the discussion on deck repainting.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Kent,

What is Amel charging per meter for the material?

Thanks,

Steve
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii

On Oct 9, 2019, at 09:39, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

I got the seals from Maud at Amel France.  They are half-round with a stiff bottom and what I think is neoprene rounded top.  The top is very soft and appears to be exactly the same as the originals.  The attached pics show the old (on the left) and new seals, the adhesive strips, and how Amel cut a small “V” at the site where the hinge bolt/washer/nut come close to the seal.  It is difficult to make the corners exact, I chose to add silicone caulk inside the corners and at the sites where the wedge was cut out to make room for the bolt.

Hardest part is reinstalling as it requires working on both sides of the hatch to tighten the hinge bolts.  Made easier by replacing the slot head bolts with Phillips heads.  Would be much easier with two people.


I will report again in a month or two to let you know how well it worked.

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

karkauai
 

I got the seals from Maud at Amel France.  They are half-round with a stiff bottom and what I think is neoprene rounded top.  The top is very soft and appears to be exactly the same as the originals.  The attached pics show the old (on the left) and new seals, the adhesive strips, and how Amel cut a small “V” at the site where the hinge bolt/washer/nut come close to the seal.  It is difficult to make the corners exact, I chose to add silicone caulk inside the corners and at the sites where the wedge was cut out to make room for the bolt.

Hardest part is reinstalling as it requires working on both sides of the hatch to tighten the hinge bolts.  Made easier by replacing the slot head bolts with Phillips heads.  Would be much easier with two people.


I will report again in a month or two to let you know how well it worked.

Re: Standing rigging - France

Mark Barter
 

Yes, the decks are amazing. The former owner was an absolute perfectionist so the level of workmanship is outstanding.
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110

SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

Thomas Kleman
 

Have not applied Polytrol for about a year and the Panamanian summer was rough on the deck. Amazing how much color fade occurs. I believe there are SM owners out there contemplating repainting who might be surprised at the results of this process. I've only seen it for sale in Dutch and French islands (not an exhaustive search). I have no financial interest in this product but wanted to add to the discussion on deck repainting.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422

Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54

Martin Bevan
 

When Caduceus 54 #56 was new we had a large problem with the galvanised chain twisting and forming knots in the chain locker and jamming in the hawse pipe. This continued despite having a swivel at the anchor end and dropping the chain in deep water many times to take the twists out. Having put up with this for a number of years and some exciting anchoring issues we changed the chain in 2012 in the USA for an “identical” spec chain. We have never had a repeat of the problem. I can only assume that the original AMEL supplies chain was not exactly to standard. 

Re: Gennaker + furler for sale

Paul Brown
 

No problem, I do need a 125sm Gennika for a 55 anyways

Hope to meet up in AU or along the way for sure 

Cheers Paul 


On 9 Oct 2019, at 7:09 pm, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:

Thanks Paul. It has just been sold.

Perhaps we'll still cross paths in AU/NZ! We plan to be there Nov 2020 or thereabouts.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54

karkauai
 

I also have twisted chain after being at anchor all Summer.  The twist makes the chain jump on the gypsy every 5 meters or so.  So the fix is to find deep water and calm seas and let the chain and anchor hang for a while?  I really don’t want to do that on the deck!

Kent Robertson
Kristy
SM 243

On Oct 9, 2019, at 12:38 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


You did not state whether you have a swivel, which could account for some of the issue. The other thing that you should take into account is that SS chain will twist easier. The links of galvanized steel are harder to twist because they are not as slippery as SS.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:18 AM David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
Since buying Wilna Grace in July I've been progressively working my way through her, one job being to take out the lovely stainless steel chain and inspect it. What I thought would be a quick job turned into a marathon.  I'd hauled out ~3 deck lengths when I discovered the rest of the chain remaining in the locker was twisted into a massive ball.  Sometime later I'd finally worked the chain onto the deck and had ~1.5 deck lengths of twisted chain.  I'm unclear why this twist should have built up or over what period of time.  Wilna Grace is 12 years old and I have reason to suspect the chain may not have been fully out for some time.

Never had this problem with my Super Maramu. Anyway from now on each year I shall make a point of finding some deep water and letting all the chain out!  Has anyone else experienced this twist problem?

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Re: Gennaker + furler for sale

Scott SV Tengah
 

Thanks Paul. It has just been sold.

Perhaps we'll still cross paths in AU/NZ! We plan to be there Nov 2020 or thereabouts.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: How to disassemble Nirvana Furling Swivel?

Tom Whitehill
 

Thanks Bill, Alan and Tom Fisher (offline) for your help,

I was able to remove the inner sleeve (my terminology might be not accurate) by soaking the unit in kerosene over-night and using a vise to push it out the 'top' of the outer shell.  'Top' meaning its orientation as it would be if the mast were up.  See pic of swivel in vise and of the separated pieces after the fact (the inner sleeve is top end down in the pic, sorry).

Now, I'm looking at using a 'blind hole bearing puller' to extract the topmost bearing.  I'm not sure how I'll get the bottom bearing out - maybe with a dowel as suggested by Tom F or figure out how to extend the length of the puller.

I've measured the diameters of the bearings so I can get the correct sized bearing puller.

Inner diameter = 1.75 inches = 44.45 millis

Outer = ~2.25 inches ~= 57.15 millis

I'll follow up with more later.  Bottom line at this point (assuming that I can extract the bearings) is:

- disassembling the manual furler gears and getting the swivel out of the mast was pretty easy - the difficulty was figuring out the mystery of how.  I needed only to make a simple home made puller which I'll describe in a follow up post.  But, now that I know how to disassemble, I will have no hesitation doing the same for the main mast swivel.

Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54

 

You did not state whether you have a swivel, which could account for some of the issue. The other thing that you should take into account is that SS chain will twist easier. The links of galvanized steel are harder to twist because they are not as slippery as SS.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:18 AM David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
Since buying Wilna Grace in July I've been progressively working my way through her, one job being to take out the lovely stainless steel chain and inspect it. What I thought would be a quick job turned into a marathon.  I'd hauled out ~3 deck lengths when I discovered the rest of the chain remaining in the locker was twisted into a massive ball.  Sometime later I'd finally worked the chain onto the deck and had ~1.5 deck lengths of twisted chain.  I'm unclear why this twist should have built up or over what period of time.  Wilna Grace is 12 years old and I have reason to suspect the chain may not have been fully out for some time.

Never had this problem with my Super Maramu. Anyway from now on each year I shall make a point of finding some deep water and letting all the chain out!  Has anyone else experienced this twist problem?

Re: Standing rigging - France

Orion Martin
 

Congratulations to you. I am in the market for an SM and looked at Nunky a few times online. The deck looks simply amazing for her age, (redone in recent times perhaps?) and attention to detail was noticeable throughout the photos. May she keep you safe and happy:)

Re: SM Bow thruster wiring diagram?

Mark McGovern
 

Does the PCB in the control box look like the one in the picture below:





--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: Standing rigging - France

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Mark;

 

I second Bill’s remarks. Nicky has replaced rigging and performed other work on Kokomo. He is as conscientious and fast, as they come. I would highly recommend him.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 7:21 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Standing rigging - France

 

Mark,

 

I am very happy that this worked out for you.

 

I have a Preferred Vendor in Malta who often travels Europe to install rigging. I highly recommend that you contact Nicky Sammut to install your ACMO rigging:

Nicky’s Rigging & Marine Services
Mobile +356 79271668
Email. nickysail"at"hotmail.com

ACMO is a recommended Preferred Vendor and will give you a discount. Be sure to share that quote with me to insure the discount.

 

Nicky has replaced ACMO rigging with ACMO kits on many SMs and 54s. He has also replaced Bamar Furlers on 54s with new generation Bamar and with Reckman furlers. I can assure you that you will not find a better rigger anywhere. He routinely works in Malta at Manoel Island Yacht Yard, which is also a Preferred Vendor and a great yard to haulot. Be sure to tell these Preferred Vendors that you are a client of mine in order to receive your discount.

Manoel Island Yacht Yard
Gzira GZR 3013,
Malta – Europe
General Email: info"at"yachtyard-malta.com Phone: (+356) 2133 4453/4 also Andrew Wilson <AWilson"at"yachtyard-malta.com>

 

If you haulout at Manoel, be sure to have antifouling and polishing applied by Alex and his uncle: Contact for Alex is ‎boatcarealex"at"gmail.com
‎Mobile Phone +356 9942 9724. They are fabulous. Tell Alex that you are a client.

 

Bill
--

CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

 

 

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 8:16 AM ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

Hi Mark , 

 

Welcome to the Amel world . We used the riggers recommended by Amel’s Hyeres office . They really know their stuff . Can’t remember the name of the company but a call to Sonja in that office will direct you to them . 

 

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM 302 Serifos 


On 9 Oct 2019, at 15:34, Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:

We are now the very proud new owners of Nunky which is SM110 from 1993. 

Despite her age Nunky is in incredible condition due to the care her former owner lavished on her. As an example, he would only wear white below decks.

Anyway, the only major work required is replacement of the standing rigging. I have a quote for the rigging from ACMO but I need a rigger in The South of France. Nunky is currently in Golfe Juan for the winter.

If anyone can recommend a rigger I would be very grateful. 

Many thanks

Twisted chain - Amel 54

David Crisp
 

Since buying Wilna Grace in July I've been progressively working my way through her, one job being to take out the lovely stainless steel chain and inspect it. What I thought would be a quick job turned into a marathon.  I'd hauled out ~3 deck lengths when I discovered the rest of the chain remaining in the locker was twisted into a massive ball.  Sometime later I'd finally worked the chain onto the deck and had ~1.5 deck lengths of twisted chain.  I'm unclear why this twist should have built up or over what period of time.  Wilna Grace is 12 years old and I have reason to suspect the chain may not have been fully out for some time.

Never had this problem with my Super Maramu. Anyway from now on each year I shall make a point of finding some deep water and letting all the chain out!  Has anyone else experienced this twist problem?