Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals
It’s just under 1/8” about 5mm
Kent S/V Kristy SM243 On Oct 10, 2019, at 9:04 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote: Hi Kent, Would you mind measuring the wall thickness of this gaskefw Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Hi Eric. They are 25mm across the base and12mm high.
Kent SM 243 Kristy
On Oct 9, 2019, at 5:10 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote: Hi Kent, Thanks for the photos. What are the dimensions of the seals? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Hi Steve, I paid 8.70€/M plus shipping. I’m not sure she has enough to do another boat. She couldn’t tell me anything about it when I was placing my order. Said she had Some of several different profiles that had been used over the years, and sent me the one she did based on my description and pic of my original. It sounded like that may be the last of what she has. It is a stock design that should be available considerable cheaper where ever you are (Hawaii?)
Malama mai ka’i nui loa lawe, ko’u ho’aloha.
A hui hou. Kent Kristy SM 243 On Oct 9, 2019, at 3:45 PM, Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote: Hi Kent,
What is Amel charging per meter for the material?
Thanks,
Steve Aloha SM 72 Hawaii
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Companion way for removal
smiles bernard
Hello
In a big downpour in the way back home to via Azores we had heavy driving rain from the rear and some made its way inside via the companion way lifting door I think it was running down the outer face of the door then finding its way inside under the companionway steps. I’ve seen a number of threads about resealing the companion way door but I’m still unsure how to remove it The ply veneer on ours needs some love so I was thinking of removing the door, sorting the veneer and seal at the same time Any hints or tips re door removal and resealing much appreciated All the best Miles Maramu #162 Plymouth uk
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Main mast seal/pad replacement
#replacement
#solution
Hi, Barry from Amel 54 #17
As already discussed in these topics like Amel 54 main mast seal, Mast foot rubber seal pad or Mast foot rubber seal pad I replaced my main mast pad in Hyeres. Amel Hyeres could not do the work due to schedule and recommended https://goo.gl/maps/xfvc617B1V2vpsUw5, contacts Adeline and Didier. At first they quoted for and wanted to remove the complete mast and then replace the seal/pad and put the mainmast back in place. That would mean disconnecting all electrical and data cables from the mast. I had checked and saw that all electrical and other cables going up the mast had slack enough for raising the mast a few inches, more than 50mm slack. Having read that the pad could be replaced by just raising the mast couple inches (40mm) I convinced them to do this instead of taking the whole mast down. Firstly all the rigging was marked and then loosened. The crane operator then began to raise the mast mm by mm. When the mast was high enough to get the small screwdrivers and picks under we removed all the bits from the old pad. Then we used scouring pads to smooth the bottom of the mast and deck. As we had to cut the pad to get it around the 2 collars going into the deck from the mast bottom that the wiring goes through we had to permanently seal the pad where we made the cuts with 3M 5200. The mast was then lowered and the stays were tightened to the marked positions. The lifting, putting the new pad under the mast and lowering took no more than 1 hour, the preparation took a few hours and the re-tightening took also a few hours. The crane operator was a pro and had a very precise lifting crane, wind was blowing about 15 to 20 knots from the dock side, we kept an eye on the dockside main stay tension which we did not completely loosen during the lift. The mast was lifted with strap attached mid height and secured at the bottom, completely vertical lift.
I have attached some photos of the work and what my old pad looked like when it came out from under the mast. Sonja of Amel Hyeres also suppled me a new upgraded deck stem attachment for my main furler, the original attachment by Amel in 2006 was only 6mm and the new stainless steel attachment was now 10mm. This was replaced by Didier and Steve. Thanks to Mohammad of B & B Kokomo who had upgraded his furlers, he sent me his old staysail furler which showed very little use, this is installed now as my main furler with mine now stowed as a spare. Amel Hyeres were able to supply me with 2 spare belts for these furlers. Labour cost for all this €2,000. I would recommend that you mark the rigging screw with some paint rather than electrical tape before starting to loosen the rigging.
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Re: Cabin sole revarnish
James Alton
Miles, The way I fix teak plywood that has been damaged is to find some teak of a smilar grain and colour to do the patching rather than to use just epoxy. I rip the teak usually using a table saw to a thickness just a bit more that the original. Cut my patch pcs. Slightly larger than the areas to be repaired. I note and line up the grain direction when cutting these patch pcs. Then I lay the patch pcs. Over the areas to be repaired and mark with a fine pencil. A sharp chiesel and some patience should give you a tight fitting pc. Epoxy in place, cure and then plane/scrap or sand to thickness. Best, James SV Sueno Enroute to Cephalonia Sent from Samsung tablet.
-------- Original message -------- From: "smiles bernard via Groups.Io" <smilesbernard@...> Date: 10/12/19 1:15 AM (GMT+02:00) To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Cabin sole revarnish On a few places on the cabin sole the ply has chipped at locker edges. Has anyone experience of how to fix this? I was thinking of colouring as necessary then building up the height with a little epoxy before applying the varnish / polyurethane If so how best to thicken the epoxy to fill the chipped gaps but still remaining ‘clear’ Thanks again Miles
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Re: Cabin sole revarnish
smiles bernard
Many thanks Denise 👍
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On a few places on the cabin sole the ply has chipped at locker edges. Has anyone experience of how to fix this? I was thinking of colouring as necessary then building up the height with a little epoxy before applying the varnish / polyurethane If so how best to thicken the epoxy to fill the chipped gaps but still remaining ‘clear’ Thanks again Miles
On 1 Oct 2019, at 14:19, Denise McGovern <Mcgovern.denise@...> wrote:
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Re: Cabin sole revarnish
smiles bernard
Thanks for this info James
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Very helpful and very good timing as I’m almost ready to go on that cabin sole. I’m not sure I can source min wax in the uk but it looks like a reasonably standard non marine home polyurethane for interior use. We have a few non marine brands here I’ll check up in. Ronseal for example Thanks for the warning re the strippers potential to mess with gel coat. I’m pleased to say we now have coppercoat antifouling so I definitely won’t be using it on the hull but it’s worked brilliantly on the cabin sole and other bits and pieces of wood trim Out of interest:: Many thanks again and very best wishes Miles Sv Maramu 162 Plymouth uk
On 1 Oct 2019, at 18:38, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:
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Re: Standing rigging on 54
Bill and Mohammad,
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Thank you both very much - good data - we will probably re-rig in Autumn 2020 in La Rochelle. And paint touch up the spars at the same time. I also would like to replace the [rubber] impact ‘pad’ under the masts. Is there anything else one should do at that point? Peter Peter Forbes Carango Amel 54 035 La Rochelle 00447836 209730 07836 209730
On 10 Oct 2019, at 17:50, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
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Re: Autopilot
Alex, The steering cables and the steering rack connected to the helm are made by Ultraflex in Genoa, Italy (http://ultraflex.ultraflexgroup.com). According to SAV at Amel, the manufacturer suddenly and without notice stopped making these parts. SAV says that they are currently working on a possible solution. You should contact SAV at Amel (SAV at Amel.fr) and let them know that you are interested in a solution. The instructions for replacement are in the newest printing of my Amel Book. The following is verified for a SM, and probably the same for a 54, but I am not sure about that. Ask SAV.
The US Distributor is:
I am currently in communication with the US distributor and with SAV. --
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:01 AM Alexander Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...> wrote: thanks everybody for the input.
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Re: Autopilot
thanks everybody for the input.
Yes, I have a Raymarine Autopilot as suggested by Bill (btw, it so far always worked perfect). The dust you see on the pic is located beneath the bed in the aft cabin (no electrical motors nearby). I'm just a little bit confused as you are talking about "cables", I see a metal stick coming out of that black unit. The dust seems to come out of that black unit. I see absolutely no oil anywhere. So bottom line, I sure will have this repaired sooner than later. Does anyone know how I find the exact replacement unit? Thanks, Alex
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Re: Annapolis Boat Show
Jamie Wendell
Pat, I was at the SD rendezvous last night at the MD Yacht Club and met up with Gary and Robin. They invited me to the party at Mangia tonight.
I had not been up on the Amel group, so I missed all the planning. Gary seemed to think there would be room for 2 more at the table? Hope that will be OK. Thanks, Jamie Wendell, Phantom Amel 54
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Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54
About 3 years ago, we performed an experiment. We removed the swivel.
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After 3 years, anchoring 5 months at a time, we’ve never had a twisted chain. The anchor always came up properly. I feel a bit more secure without having a swivel, that could be a potential failure point in my ground tackle. ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Oct 11, 2019, at 1:18 AM, Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:
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Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54
James Alton
Greg, After a season of using our new Mantus without a swivel, I have decided that for next season we will add a Mantus swivel since we occassionally have a twist or two in the chain. It would seem that the anchor would rotate and unwind any twists but I have discovered that the Mantus anchor is quite sensitive to water flow when the boat is moving and orients itself with the claw portion towards the direction of flow. This tendency apparently prevents the twists from unwinding. This means that if we are moving forward while raising the anchor, the anchor will contact the roller either upside down or sideways almost every time. While the anchor will flip rightside up (with a big bang) if you keep pulling I worry about damàge to the bow or having the anchor roll off of the side the roller. I have found that if we are in reverse and moving at a knot and a half or more that the anchor has oriented itself right side up everytime so far. It has also given me a lot of backing practice. For those with a Maramu, I can say for sure that the anchor locker easily holds 100 meters of 8mm chain without any need to lay it out a particular way. In fact I am going to increase that to 120 meters. I am using the Aqua7 chain which is grade 70 and is supposed to be stronger than the grade 40 10mm. I like the reduced weight and having a longer rode. James Alton SV Sueno Nafpaktos, Greece Sent from Samsung tablet.
-------- Original message -------- From: Gregory Shea <gmshea@...> Date: 10/11/19 2:16 AM (GMT+02:00) To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Twisted chain - Amel 54
FWIW I never had a chain twist problem until I tried the arrangement described by Eamonn. With 10mm galvanised chain, three chain links followed by the kong swivel I immediately had twist problems and the chain wanted to jump off the gypsy. I put the kong swivel
back on the (Mantus) anchor shank and the twist went away. My experience made me wonder if the kong swivel is only effective if one half is held rigid by the shank. It also made me consider switching to a Mantus swivel to avoid side loading the kong.
Did someone say that that anchors and anchoring are a black art?
Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des iles Preveza
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Eamonn Washington <eamonn.washington@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:48 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Twisted chain - Amel 54 Hi
In 5 years I never had twisted chain issues, with 80m galvanised chain, anchoring about 120 times a year in the past 3 years. Amel supplied, shall we say, inferior anchors to what was available in the industry. Could be they also supplied inferior swivels. I guess they reason owners would upgrade to modern (spade, rocna, ultra) anchors and swivels. I personally installed a spade anchor, with a bow shackle to 3 links of chain, then a kong swivel, then my 80m chain. (The 3 links of chain avoid the swivel ever having a lateral load which would exceed its capabilities.) Regarding the stainless steel jumping on the gypsy, maybe it is because stainless steel stretches and some links don’t fit so well on the gypsy any more. Eamonn Washington Travel Bug Super Maramu #151 Currently in Denia, Spain.
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Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54
Ian Park
Eamonn,
Be sure to carry spare Allen bolts for the Kong. Last year when changing my chain end for end I began to unscrew the Allen Key bolt that holds the Kong together. The head of the Allen bolt just came away leaving the threaded section in place, and the rest of the Kong came apart in its regular pieces. There was nothing wrong with the s/s on the Kong, but internally the head of the bolt had gone black (like carbon) and was rotten. No evidence of deterioration on the outside. I don’t use a swivel any more. No problems with twisted chain! But I always swap ends every year. Ian Ocean Hobo, SN96
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals
eric freedman
Hi Kent, Would you mind measuring the wall thickness of this gaskefw Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 11:39 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals
Hi Eric. They are 25mm across the base and12mm high.
Kent SM 243 Kristy
On Oct 9, 2019, at 5:10 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote: Hi Kent, Thanks for the photos. What are the dimensions of the seals? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Hi Steve, I paid 8.70€/M plus shipping. I’m not sure she has enough to do another boat. She couldn’t tell me anything about it when I was placing my order. Said she had Some of several different profiles that had been used over the years, and sent me the one she did based on my description and pic of my original. It sounded like that may be the last of what she has. It is a stock design that should be available considerable cheaper where ever you are (Hawaii?)
Malama mai ka’i nui loa lawe, ko’u ho’aloha.
A hui hou. Kent Kristy SM 243 On Oct 9, 2019, at 3:45 PM, Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote: Hi Kent,
What is Amel charging per meter for the material?
Thanks,
Steve Aloha SM 72 Hawaii
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Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol_ORIGINAL RAL COLOR for thin strips
Hi, I am Arnold,
My stripes of my faux teak also need a renovation. Is there someone who know the RAL for this? Thank you Arnold SY Zephyr SM203 Am 11.10.2019 um 01:52 schrieb Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...>: John- on L'ORIENT polytrol looks great for 6-8 months, looks OK for another 3...then you need to reapply it. Others might have a different experience. The key for me is that it seems to protect my black lines. Painting the lines again would add 2 days to a 3 hour job. Tom and Kirstin SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422 -- SY Zephyr SM203
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Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol_ORIGINAL RAL COLOR for thin strips
Thomas Kleman
John- on L'ORIENT polytrol looks great for 6-8 months, looks OK for another 3...then you need to reapply it. Others might have a different experience. The key for me is that it seems to protect my black lines. Painting the lines again would add 2 days to a 3 hour job.
Tom and Kirstin SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422
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Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54
John, You reminded me of an experience I had. I bought new galvanized chain from a marine shop in Europe. When it was delivered, it was obvious to me that it was old chain that had been regalvanized. I refused it and also refused the replacement shipment for the same reason. I discussed it with the shop owner. I believe that he truly didn't know that the chain distributor was cheating him, but he admitted that the price was too good to be true. I finally received 100 meters of new galvanized chain. Ask yourself if you are sure that you could tell the difference between new and newly regalvanized chain. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 6:08 PM John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:
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Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54
Gregory Shea
FWIW I never had a chain twist problem until I tried the arrangement described by Eamonn. With 10mm galvanised chain, three chain links followed by the kong swivel I immediately had twist problems and the chain wanted to jump off the gypsy. I put the kong swivel
back on the (Mantus) anchor shank and the twist went away. My experience made me wonder if the kong swivel is only effective if one half is held rigid by the shank. It also made me consider switching to a Mantus swivel to avoid side loading the kong.
Did someone say that that anchors and anchoring are a black art?
Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des iles Preveza
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Eamonn Washington <eamonn.washington@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:48 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Twisted chain - Amel 54 Hi
In 5 years I never had twisted chain issues, with 80m galvanised chain, anchoring about 120 times a year in the past 3 years. Amel supplied, shall we say, inferior anchors to what was available in the industry. Could be they also supplied inferior swivels. I guess they reason owners would upgrade to modern (spade, rocna, ultra) anchors and swivels. I personally installed a spade anchor, with a bow shackle to 3 links of chain, then a kong swivel, then my 80m chain. (The 3 links of chain avoid the swivel ever having a lateral load which would exceed its capabilities.) Regarding the stainless steel jumping on the gypsy, maybe it is because stainless steel stretches and some links don’t fit so well on the gypsy any more. Eamonn Washington Travel Bug Super Maramu #151 Currently in Denia, Spain.
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Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54
John Clark
Teun, I got lucky with my SM as she had brand new galvanized chain. Previous owner bought the chain in Martinique. Since then and innumerable anchorings I have taken to casual shopping for new chain. I have noted a wide variation in the coarseness of the galvanization. The chain on Annie is not very rough on the surface and we have not had any issues with it passing through the windlass or twisting. Granted most of our anchoring has been in relatively shallow water compared to the Pacific however we spent several months exploring tidal rivers in the US where the current changes direction every few hours...swinging the boat 180 degrees...in random rotations. Never had an issue. I think you are right that is chain is slippery with itself so it can untangle more easily. Annie's smooth galvanized chain probably has some of those properties. Coarse chain might behave differently.
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 11:04 PM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
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Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol_ORIGINAL RAL COLOR for thin strips
John Clark
Hi Giovanni, In 2017 I addressed the deck on Annie SM37. The surface structure was sound but the colors had faded badly. Made the boat look rather shabby. I used a cream colored Interlux paint(check forum for pictures of the container) for the former dark brown thin strips. Bugel tool to apply the paint. Surface preparation is important. I cleaned the area to be painted with acetone followed by light sanding(following advice from L'Orient). For the tan or light brown part I was OK with the faded lighter shade, however there were some places were the brown was worn to the base white. I touched these areas up by mixing small quantities of the cream paint with black brown and yellow color tint to match the local color. I looked like a mad artist painting the deck. But it worked just fine. After two years I have had no problems with the painted areas. No flaking, fading, color changes or other problems. Patrick, "Le Mayor du Ponton 4" in Marin has used Polytrol on his deck and recommended it highly. I watched him apply it and it renewed the appearance of his SM decks instantly. I would be interested in hearing reccomndations regarding the longevity of this product. John SV Annie. SM 37 Brunswick GA
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 5:00 AM Giovanni TESTA <giovannitesta53@...> wrote:
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