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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

eric freedman
 

Hi Kent,

Would you mind measuring the wall thickness of this gaskefw

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 11:39 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

 

Hi Eric.  They are 25mm across the base and12mm high.

 

Kent

SM 243

Kristy

 

On Oct 9, 2019, at 5:10 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 



Hi Kent,

Thanks for the photos.

What are the dimensions of the seals?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 4:43 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

 

Hi Steve,

I paid 8.70€/M plus shipping. I’m not sure she has enough to do another boat.  She couldn’t tell me anything about it when I was placing my order.  Said she had Some of several different profiles that had been used over the years, and sent me the one she did based on my description and pic of my original.  It sounded like that may be the last of what she has.  It is a stock design that should be available considerable cheaper where ever you are (Hawaii?)

 

Malama mai ka’i nui loa lawe, ko’u ho’aloha.

 

A hui hou.

Kent

Kristy

SM 243




On Oct 9, 2019, at 3:45 PM, Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote:



Hi Kent,

 

What is Amel charging per meter for the material?

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

Aloha SM 72

Hawaii


On Oct 9, 2019, at 09:39, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

I got the seals from Maud at Amel France.  They are half-round with a stiff bottom and what I think is neoprene rounded top.  The top is very soft and appears to be exactly the same as the originals.  The attached pics show the old (on the left) and new seals, the adhesive strips, and how Amel cut a small “V” at the site where the hinge bolt/washer/nut come close to the seal.  It is difficult to make the corners exact, I chose to add silicone caulk inside the corners and at the sites where the wedge was cut out to make room for the bolt.

Hardest part is reinstalling as it requires working on both sides of the hatch to tighten the hinge bolts.  Made easier by replacing the slot head bolts with Phillips heads.  Would be much easier with two people.


I will report again in a month or two to let you know how well it worked.

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Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol_ORIGINAL RAL COLOR for thin strips

Arnold Mente
 

Hi, I am Arnold, 

My stripes of my faux teak also need a renovation. Is there someone who know the RAL for this?
Thank you

Arnold 
SY Zephyr
SM203



Am 11.10.2019 um 01:52 schrieb Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...>:

John- on L'ORIENT polytrol looks great for 6-8 months, looks OK for another 3...then you need to reapply it. Others might have a different experience. The key for me is that it seems to protect my black lines. Painting the lines again would add 2 days to a 3 hour job.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422



--
SY Zephyr SM203
Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol_ORIGINAL RAL COLOR for thin strips

Thomas Kleman
 

John- on L'ORIENT polytrol looks great for 6-8 months, looks OK for another 3...then you need to reapply it. Others might have a different experience. The key for me is that it seems to protect my black lines. Painting the lines again would add 2 days to a 3 hour job.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422
Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54

CW Bill Rouse
 

John,

You reminded me of an experience I had. I bought new galvanized chain from a marine shop in Europe. When it was delivered, it was obvious to me that it was old chain that had been regalvanized. I refused it and also refused the replacement shipment for the same reason. I discussed it with the shop owner. I believe that he truly didn't know that the chain distributor was cheating him, but he admitted that the price was too good to be true.

I finally received 100 meters of new galvanized chain. 

Ask yourself if you are sure that you could tell the difference between new and newly regalvanized chain. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 6:08 PM John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:
Teun,
  I got lucky with my SM as she had brand new galvanized chain.  Previous owner bought the chain in Martinique.  Since then and innumerable anchorings  I have taken to casual shopping for new chain.  I have noted a wide variation in the coarseness of the galvanization.  The chain on Annie is not very rough on the surface and we have not had any issues with it passing through the windlass or twisting.  

Granted most of our anchoring has been in relatively shallow water compared to the Pacific however we spent several months exploring tidal rivers in the US where the current changes direction every few hours...swinging the boat 180 degrees...in random rotations. Never had an issue.  

I think you are right that is chain is slippery with itself so it can untangle more easily.   Annie's smooth galvanized chain probably has some of those properties.  Coarse chain might behave differently.  

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 11:04 PM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:

Good Afternoon,

 

After discussing with another AMEL owner before leaving NEW CALEDONIA early May 2019 for VANUATU I decided to inspect & possibly reverse my OEM SS chain. I also expected it to be a simple straightforward exercise but found ON CLOSE examination several links to be “pitted”. When aggressively probing the pit it was fairly easy to create a bigger hole. All the pitting/holes were in the welded part of the link NOT in the actual SS link. I was told that rewelding was the solution but I wasn’t comfortable that the welder would indeed cover every compromised weld so decided to buy a new chain. No SS chain available on the island so I purchased 100 meter galvanized chain. Since I have that galvanized chain I frequently have problems with the chain being twisted/bungled; jumping the sprocket on the windless (it is the right size link) as well as bungling up in the haws pipe. I do have the original OEM SS swivel & anchor but still frequent twisting creating problems when outlaying the chain; having to empty the sail locker, open the chain locker and then manually making sure the chain will feed thru the haws pipe. Very doable on a calm early afternoon arrival; extremely annoying when arriving @ night in bad weather.

 

I have the feeling that the SS chain is more slippery and therefore distributes better horizontally in the anchor locker when I weigh anchor than the galvanized chain which is piling up higher.

 

Since May I have now 3 times deployed the complete chain to give it a chance to “unwind” and then slowly bring it back in while pushing the first 30 meters all the way toward the back of the chain locker to make sure that the remaining 70 meters is not piling too high. It helps but still issues. I never had any twisting/bungling issues during the previous 1 ½ year with the SS chain.

 

I am now planning, when doing my 2 year maintenance in February 2020 in BRISBANE or maybe NEW ZEALAND, to go back to a SS chain.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

PORT VILA  VANUATU

October 10, 2019 13:59:43

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Crisp via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 02:18
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Twisted chain - Amel 54

 

Since buying Wilna Grace in July I've been progressively working my way through her, one job being to take out the lovely stainless steel chain and inspect it. What I thought would be a quick job turned into a marathon.  I'd hauled out ~3 deck lengths when I discovered the rest of the chain remaining in the locker was twisted into a massive ball.  Sometime later I'd finally worked the chain onto the deck and had ~1.5 deck lengths of twisted chain.  I'm unclear why this twist should have built up or over what period of time.  Wilna Grace is 12 years old and I have reason to suspect the chain may not have been fully out for some time.

Never had this problem with my Super Maramu. Anyway from now on each year I shall make a point of finding some deep water and letting all the chain out!  Has anyone else experienced this twist problem?
Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54

Gregory Shea
 

FWIW I never had a chain twist problem until I tried the arrangement described by Eamonn. With 10mm galvanised chain, three chain links followed by the kong swivel I immediately had twist problems and the chain wanted to jump off the gypsy. I put the kong swivel back on the (Mantus) anchor shank and the twist went away. My experience made me wonder if the kong swivel is only effective if one half is held rigid by the shank. It also made me consider switching to a Mantus swivel to avoid side loading the kong.
Did someone say that that anchors and anchoring are a black art?

Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des iles
Preveza

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Eamonn Washington <eamonn.washington@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:48 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Twisted chain - Amel 54
 
Hi

In 5 years I never had twisted chain issues, with 80m galvanised chain, anchoring about 120 times a year in the past 3 years.

Amel supplied, shall we say, inferior anchors to what was available in the industry.  Could be they also supplied inferior swivels.  I guess they reason owners would upgrade to modern (spade, rocna, ultra) anchors and swivels.  I personally installed a spade anchor, with a bow shackle to 3 links of chain, then a kong swivel, then my 80m chain.  (The 3 links of chain avoid the swivel ever having a lateral load which would exceed its capabilities.)  

Regarding the stainless steel jumping on the gypsy, maybe it is because stainless steel stretches and some links don’t fit so well on the gypsy any more.  

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Denia, Spain.

Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54

John Clark
 

Teun,
  I got lucky with my SM as she had brand new galvanized chain.  Previous owner bought the chain in Martinique.  Since then and innumerable anchorings  I have taken to casual shopping for new chain.  I have noted a wide variation in the coarseness of the galvanization.  The chain on Annie is not very rough on the surface and we have not had any issues with it passing through the windlass or twisting.  

Granted most of our anchoring has been in relatively shallow water compared to the Pacific however we spent several months exploring tidal rivers in the US where the current changes direction every few hours...swinging the boat 180 degrees...in random rotations. Never had an issue.  

I think you are right that is chain is slippery with itself so it can untangle more easily.   Annie's smooth galvanized chain probably has some of those properties.  Coarse chain might behave differently.  

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 11:04 PM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:

Good Afternoon,

 

After discussing with another AMEL owner before leaving NEW CALEDONIA early May 2019 for VANUATU I decided to inspect & possibly reverse my OEM SS chain. I also expected it to be a simple straightforward exercise but found ON CLOSE examination several links to be “pitted”. When aggressively probing the pit it was fairly easy to create a bigger hole. All the pitting/holes were in the welded part of the link NOT in the actual SS link. I was told that rewelding was the solution but I wasn’t comfortable that the welder would indeed cover every compromised weld so decided to buy a new chain. No SS chain available on the island so I purchased 100 meter galvanized chain. Since I have that galvanized chain I frequently have problems with the chain being twisted/bungled; jumping the sprocket on the windless (it is the right size link) as well as bungling up in the haws pipe. I do have the original OEM SS swivel & anchor but still frequent twisting creating problems when outlaying the chain; having to empty the sail locker, open the chain locker and then manually making sure the chain will feed thru the haws pipe. Very doable on a calm early afternoon arrival; extremely annoying when arriving @ night in bad weather.

 

I have the feeling that the SS chain is more slippery and therefore distributes better horizontally in the anchor locker when I weigh anchor than the galvanized chain which is piling up higher.

 

Since May I have now 3 times deployed the complete chain to give it a chance to “unwind” and then slowly bring it back in while pushing the first 30 meters all the way toward the back of the chain locker to make sure that the remaining 70 meters is not piling too high. It helps but still issues. I never had any twisting/bungling issues during the previous 1 ½ year with the SS chain.

 

I am now planning, when doing my 2 year maintenance in February 2020 in BRISBANE or maybe NEW ZEALAND, to go back to a SS chain.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

PORT VILA  VANUATU

October 10, 2019 13:59:43

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Crisp via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 02:18
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Twisted chain - Amel 54

 

Since buying Wilna Grace in July I've been progressively working my way through her, one job being to take out the lovely stainless steel chain and inspect it. What I thought would be a quick job turned into a marathon.  I'd hauled out ~3 deck lengths when I discovered the rest of the chain remaining in the locker was twisted into a massive ball.  Sometime later I'd finally worked the chain onto the deck and had ~1.5 deck lengths of twisted chain.  I'm unclear why this twist should have built up or over what period of time.  Wilna Grace is 12 years old and I have reason to suspect the chain may not have been fully out for some time.

Never had this problem with my Super Maramu. Anyway from now on each year I shall make a point of finding some deep water and letting all the chain out!  Has anyone else experienced this twist problem?
Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol_ORIGINAL RAL COLOR for thin strips

John Clark
 

Hi Giovanni,

In 2017 I addressed the deck on Annie SM37.  The surface structure was sound but the colors had faded badly.  Made the boat look rather shabby.  

I used a cream colored Interlux paint(check forum for pictures of the container) for the former dark brown thin strips.  Bugel tool to apply the paint.  Surface preparation is important.  I cleaned the area to be painted with acetone followed by light sanding(following advice from L'Orient).  

For the tan or light brown part I was OK with the faded lighter shade, however there were some places were the brown was worn to the base white.  I touched these areas up by mixing small quantities of the cream paint with black brown and yellow color tint to match the local color.  I looked like a mad artist painting the deck.  But it worked just fine.

After two years I have had no problems with the painted areas.  No flaking, fading, color changes or other problems.  

Patrick, "Le Mayor du Ponton 4" in Marin has used Polytrol on his deck and recommended it highly. I watched him apply it and it renewed the appearance of his SM decks instantly.  

I would be interested in hearing reccomndations regarding the longevity of this product.  

John
SV Annie. SM 37
Brunswick GA



On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 5:00 AM Giovanni TESTA <giovannitesta53@...> wrote:
Hi to all,
before Polytrol I need to re paint the dark brown thin stripes, do you know the original RAL ?
Many thanks
Giovanni TESTA
sv EUTIKIA SM2K n428
SM Leuca
ITALY

Il 10/10/2019 00:24, eric freedman ha scritto:

Thanks

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 5:18 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

 

Eric- 2 cans does 3 coats. 


Re: Eno oven flows gas WITHOUT flame

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Glad you solved it! 
Yes, there is a delay, especially in a hot oven, while the thermocouple cools off and stops generating the electricity that holds the valve open. Perfectly normal.
Cheers, Craig
Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54

CW Bill Rouse
 

Eamonn,

I will politely remind you of this:
"We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor."
Please edit your post for two reasons: (1)You stated your opinion as fact, and (2) it was disrespectful of Amel management.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:48 PM Eamonn Washington <eamonn.washington@...> wrote:
Hi

In 5 years I never had twisted chain issues, with 80m galvanised chain, anchoring about 120 times a year in the past 3 years.

Amel supplied, shall we say, inferior anchors to what was available in the industry.  Could be they also supplied inferior swivels.  I guess they reason owners would upgrade to modern (spade, rocna, ultra) anchors and swivels.  I personally installed a spade anchor, with a bow shackle to 3 links of chain, then a kong swivel, then my 80m chain.  (The 3 links of chain avoid the swivel ever having a lateral load which would exceed its capabilities.)  

Regarding the stainless steel jumping on the gypsy, maybe it is because stainless steel stretches and some links don’t fit so well on the gypsy any more.  

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Denia, Spain.

Slight change on Yachts For Sale and Spare Parts Subgroup postings

CW Bill Rouse
 

Please note the following quote which is on our homepage:

Buying or Selling Amel yachts and/or Amel Parts (Join these subgroups):
Yachts For Sale Subgroup: Amel yacht owners wanting to sell their Amel and Buyers wanting to buy an Amel can post details once every 60 days.  
Share Parts Subgroup: Amel yacht owners wishing to Buy or Sell cruising spares from one another, can post details once every 60 days. 
After posting in either of the subgroups, members can make a short summary post in the main group, advising all members of the Subgroup post...please save the details for the Subgroup posting. 
--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Mike Ondra
 

That sounds good. We’re about to head in now. See you soon.


On Oct 10, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Michael Mueller via Groups.Io <mijmu5@...> wrote:

Hi Mike,

this is Michael from RIPPLE SM#417,

I would like to join you for drinks at Davis' Pub (Eastport) and I am interested in dinner too.

Looking forward
Michael
RIPPLE SM#417
Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Michael Mueller
 

Hi Mike,

this is Michael from RIPPLE SM#417,

I would like to join you for drinks at Davis' Pub (Eastport) and I am interested in dinner too.

Looking forward
Michael
RIPPLE SM#417
Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54

Eamonn Washington
 
Edited

Hi

In 5 years I never had twisted chain issues, with 80m galvanised chain, anchoring about 120 times a year in the past 3 years.

I personally installed a spade anchor, with a bow shackle to 3 links of chain, then a kong swivel, then my 80m chain.  (The 3 links of chain avoid the swivel ever having a lateral load which would exceed its capabilities.)  

Regarding the stainless steel jumping on the gypsy, I believe stainless steel stretches or elongates and some links don’t fit so well on the gypsy any more.  

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Denia, Spain.
Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hello,

Yes I think my setup its a way to get rid of all the problems this old system had.

Yes I carry these parts double as spares because I run a prototype. In total its so much cheaper than one original pump so its no problem to carry spares. And the parts used are much smaller and lighter, while much more powerfull, than the original pumps.

The VESC speed controller is developed by Mr Vedder, a clever swedish, and used in many DIY and comercial scooters, scateboards, eSurfboards with much higher power demands than our little pump. So its a prooven system.

My fridge/freezer controller is part of the ship Computer system and connected to NMEA2K bus. The original thermostats are no more used. Instead precise electronic thermometers are in both devices. The controller checks on these thermometers and decides about cooling needs. If one unit is above set threshold the controller looks also for the other and if ever possible colls both at the same time. This will further reduce working time of the raw water pump.

The controller sends serial commands to the VESC. but the VESC is very versatile so its also possible to regulate it in a simple way

Oliver A54#39
Vela Nautica
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 fridge circulation pump
From: Scott SV Tengah
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
CC:


Oliver,

If possible, I'd love to see photos of this setup. It sounds like a brilliant solution.

Also, could you tell us more about the intelligent controller that tries to "bundle" when the compressors for your two fridges run?
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: SM Bow thruster wiring diagram?

Eamonn Washington
 

Hi Mark

no, your box looks neater that my older box.  I contacted Amel but  they do not have  the 20cm jack-screws anymore.

Then we put the wires back the original way, and physically reinstalled the up/down motor upside down and all was OK!  Problem solved.

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Leaving Denia in the morning, Spain.
Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol_ORIGINAL RAL COLOR for thin strips

Giovanni TESTA
 

Yes is still brown, but the pigment went partially away, so I can see the under layer as the deck color, after 11  years sailing around the sun/UV world.
So I m planning to re paint it with original RAL dark brown code I dont know.
Giovanni&Marina
sv EUTIKIA SM 428

Il 10/10/2019 19:55, Thomas Kleman ha scritto:

I see that Eutikia is 6 boats after L'ORIENT (422). My brown stripes were faded to a ghastly purple when I bought the boat in 2010, which is why I never considered that color when I repainted the stripes. Black has worked for me but I've seen white, beige, and a few other colors on SMs, all looking quite nice. Curious if your brown is still brown.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422

Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol_ORIGINAL RAL COLOR for thin strips

Thomas Kleman
 

I see that Eutikia is 6 boats after L'ORIENT (422). My brown stripes were faded to a ghastly purple when I bought the boat in 2010, which is why I never considered that color when I repainted the stripes. Black has worked for me but I've seen white, beige, and a few other colors on SMs, all looking quite nice. Curious if your brown is still brown.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422
Re: Standing rigging on 54

CW Bill Rouse
 

In Jan 2019, complete 54 ACMO kit 9990.0€ not including freight or VAT. Weight 141.7kg.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 11:27 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Peter;

 

The 6 shrouds for the main ran right about 5,000 Euros with tax and without shipping. The labor will run at or about 1,000 euros or less, if Nicky does it for you. He is a really fast and knowledgeable rigger. If you have other issues on your rig, like anemometer or lighting issues, he can take care of it all. You would have to pay his flight cost to wherever you are.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Forbes via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 9:20 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Standing rigging on 54

 

Hi Mohammad,

 

Can you give me a round number price indication for ACMO kit and install labour?

 

I’m thinking of doing same next winter.

 

Peter Forbes

Carango Amel 54 #035

La Rochelle

 

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 16:16, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Nick;

 

Amel has already worked out the pin size issues you are addressing. We had the same concerns, but after talking to ACMO, found out they have simply gone to a stronger material for the pins and kept the pin sizes the same as existing. You will receive everything required to make the change from ACMO. No changes to the boat are required in any way.

 

We just replaced all shrouds at the main with zero issues.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 8:09 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Standing rigging on 54

 

Nick,

 

ACMO will ship you what you need...they know what you need and have been doing this for a while. 

 

Regarding your question about substitutes of wire, etc., That needs to be answered by the 54's designer, Amel. I am sure their advice is to use the ACMO solution, since they worked out this solution with ACMO.

 

Hopefully, you are aware that the two intermediate shrouds also changed since the 54s introduction to 10mm, rather than 8mm.


--

CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School

   

 

 

 

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 11:26 PM ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Further to the news that the Amel 54 should have 12mm aft lowers not 10mm and that the intermediates should be beefed up from 8mm to 10mm. I am now seriously working this out.
On the face of it I can order the replacement wire and fittings from ACMO in France and have it a week later. What worries me is that the pin sizes will increase (I guess)
This should be no problem at the bottom where there is a massive chainplate that I could drill out to accept the bigger pins but at the top at the spreader bases it will be tricky.
Has anyone been there and done this project?
What about sticking to 8mm and 10 mm but upgrading the wire quality to say Dyform? Dyform offers about 30% more strength than standard 1x19?
Any experts out there?
Nick
S/Y Amelia AML54-019
Anchored in Kefalonia enjoying easy living after 2000 mile voyage from Canary Islands.

--

Best wishes

Peter Forbes

+44 (0) 7836 209730
Re: Standing rigging on 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Peter;

 

The 6 shrouds for the main ran right about 5,000 Euros with tax and without shipping. The labor will run at or about 1,000 euros or less, if Nicky does it for you. He is a really fast and knowledgeable rigger. If you have other issues on your rig, like anemometer or lighting issues, he can take care of it all. You would have to pay his flight cost to wherever you are.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Forbes via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 9:20 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Standing rigging on 54

 

Hi Mohammad,

 

Can you give me a round number price indication for ACMO kit and install labour?

 

I’m thinking of doing same next winter.

 

Peter Forbes

Carango Amel 54 #035

La Rochelle

 

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 16:16, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Nick;

 

Amel has already worked out the pin size issues you are addressing. We had the same concerns, but after talking to ACMO, found out they have simply gone to a stronger material for the pins and kept the pin sizes the same as existing. You will receive everything required to make the change from ACMO. No changes to the boat are required in any way.

 

We just replaced all shrouds at the main with zero issues.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 8:09 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Standing rigging on 54

 

Nick,

 

ACMO will ship you what you need...they know what you need and have been doing this for a while. 

 

Regarding your question about substitutes of wire, etc., That needs to be answered by the 54's designer, Amel. I am sure their advice is to use the ACMO solution, since they worked out this solution with ACMO.

 

Hopefully, you are aware that the two intermediate shrouds also changed since the 54s introduction to 10mm, rather than 8mm.


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On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 11:26 PM ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Further to the news that the Amel 54 should have 12mm aft lowers not 10mm and that the intermediates should be beefed up from 8mm to 10mm. I am now seriously working this out.
On the face of it I can order the replacement wire and fittings from ACMO in France and have it a week later. What worries me is that the pin sizes will increase (I guess)
This should be no problem at the bottom where there is a massive chainplate that I could drill out to accept the bigger pins but at the top at the spreader bases it will be tricky.
Has anyone been there and done this project?
What about sticking to 8mm and 10 mm but upgrading the wire quality to say Dyform? Dyform offers about 30% more strength than standard 1x19?
Any experts out there?
Nick
S/Y Amelia AML54-019
Anchored in Kefalonia enjoying easy living after 2000 mile voyage from Canary Islands.

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Peter Forbes

+44 (0) 7836 209730
Re: Standing rigging on 54

Peter Forbes
 

Hi Mohammad,

Can you give me a round number price indication for ACMO kit and install labour?

I’m thinking of doing same next winter.

Peter Forbes
Carango Amel 54 #035
La Rochelle

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 16:16, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Nick;

 

Amel has already worked out the pin size issues you are addressing. We had the same concerns, but after talking to ACMO, found out they have simply gone to a stronger material for the pins and kept the pin sizes the same as existing. You will receive everything required to make the change from ACMO. No changes to the boat are required in any way.

 

We just replaced all shrouds at the main with zero issues.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 8:09 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Standing rigging on 54

 

Nick,

 

ACMO will ship you what you need...they know what you need and have been doing this for a while. 

 

Regarding your question about substitutes of wire, etc., That needs to be answered by the 54's designer, Amel. I am sure their advice is to use the ACMO solution, since they worked out this solution with ACMO.

 

Hopefully, you are aware that the two intermediate shrouds also changed since the 54s introduction to 10mm, rather than 8mm.


--

CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School

   

 

 

 

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 11:26 PM ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Further to the news that the Amel 54 should have 12mm aft lowers not 10mm and that the intermediates should be beefed up from 8mm to 10mm. I am now seriously working this out.
On the face of it I can order the replacement wire and fittings from ACMO in France and have it a week later. What worries me is that the pin sizes will increase (I guess)
This should be no problem at the bottom where there is a massive chainplate that I could drill out to accept the bigger pins but at the top at the spreader bases it will be tricky.
Has anyone been there and done this project?
What about sticking to 8mm and 10 mm but upgrading the wire quality to say Dyform? Dyform offers about 30% more strength than standard 1x19?
Any experts out there?
Nick
S/Y Amelia AML54-019
Anchored in Kefalonia enjoying easy living after 2000 mile voyage from Canary Islands.


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Best wishes
Peter Forbes
+44 (0) 7836 209730