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Re: Companion way for removal

scentstone
 

Thank you Eric for the first extensive tutorial, 
Thank you Ian for the alternative product
Thank you Bill for the very insightful questions.

Even if there was some previous threads about this subject in the forum, we all need to clarify the most secure way to replace the veneer using a wood product and placing it also under the external guides because, in some rough conditions, if the job isn't made in using a single sheet properly glued, it can drive to a blocked companionway after sometime in bad weather which is highly undesirable…
Ian, may be have you some images and a more detailed process and we can start here to make a detailed how-to. 
If we succeed, I'll update my external veener and post here also the details and images.
Kind regards
FF


Steering Wheel remove

JOSE PRIETO
 

How to remove the steering wheel? The metal
plate with screws do not
move... maybe some glue? Any tip?


Re: Companion way for removal

Ian Townsend
 

Paper not removed. We used contact cement. We did not remove the door. We spent lots of time making sure of the fit so that it could be cut right to the trim on the top and the sides. We were extremely careful with the placement. Of course, the bottom edge did not matter as we had cut it so it went below the gap/weatherproofing. Also, as with all veneer, the rolling is critical. 


Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
US East Coast

On Oct 14, 2019, at 5:04 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Ian,

I read that the product you used has a paper backing. Was this removed for installation?
What did you use for glue or cement? 
Were you able to get the new veneer between the door and the outside trim?

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 2:09 AM Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...> wrote:
We used this veneer, ordered through Amazon. 

On Oct 14, 2019, at 2:30 AM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,

To apply laminate contact cement is used. Please remember to let both  surfaces dry before joining the laminate to the door,

When the two touch they cannot be separated, be careful.. I chose Formica brand laminate only because it looks closest to teak here in the USA. Just pick the one that you like, they are all basically the same. Just be sure to get the thicker variety of the laminate. Although the look is identical they often come in a very thin and a thicker style.

Fair Winds

Eric

sm

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 11:05 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Companion way for removal

 

Eric- that looks awesome and has inspired us to put this project on the list. Can you describe the glue you used and did you consider any other faux veneers ?


Re: Companion way for removal

 

Ian,

I read that the product you used has a paper backing. Was this removed for installation?
What did you use for glue or cement? 
Were you able to get the new veneer between the door and the outside trim?

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 2:09 AM Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...> wrote:
We used this veneer, ordered through Amazon. 

On Oct 14, 2019, at 2:30 AM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,

To apply laminate contact cement is used. Please remember to let both  surfaces dry before joining the laminate to the door,

When the two touch they cannot be separated, be careful.. I chose Formica brand laminate only because it looks closest to teak here in the USA. Just pick the one that you like, they are all basically the same. Just be sure to get the thicker variety of the laminate. Although the look is identical they often come in a very thin and a thicker style.

Fair Winds

Eric

sm

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 11:05 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Companion way for removal

 

Eric- that looks awesome and has inspired us to put this project on the list. Can you describe the glue you used and did you consider any other faux veneers ?


Re: Water in Forward Head Bilge and Bow Thruster

Arno Luijten <aluijten@...>
 

Hi Nick,

Do you have a picture of the place where you had this leak?

Thanks,

Arno Luijten,
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

Paul Brown
 

Wow Joerg, 11,000nm already - your a keen sailor

I’m really happy with my Incidences sails, they are so tough and showing no real ware after 6.5 years and after I think about 7500nm, I’m ordering probably a code 0 and a cruising Shute from them tailored for my 55 which should be great for light wind easy sailing

Regards, Paul... Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Oct 2019, at 00:26, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Hi Barry, the A55 comes with Incidences sails made from Hydranet.  I have seen a lot of sails over my racing career and these are outstanding. No a single stitching has opened, no chafe, shape is still good.  Incidences I believe supplies a lot of sails for the French Open 60 fleet and they seem to know a thing or two about building durable sails.  If they’re not a lot more expensive than the competition, I will buy new sails for my boat from them.  Luckily, after 11000 miles they dare still excellent sails.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

Barry Connor
 

Hi Joerg, 

Thank's for the answer/post and information.
I remember seeing both your and Paul's sails, I didn't know that they were Hydranet.
The quotes from Incidences and Q Sails are really much the same, both recommending Hydranet.
I just know my Genoa will not last another few years and would like to replace it before too long. I am planning on using our new Parasailor for the crossings, I really don't like the pole on the 54. Paul got me to use it on our run from Tunisia to Sardinia and it was difficult.

Very Best Regards

Barry and Penny
"S/V Lady Penelope II"
Amel. 54. #17
Almerimar, Spain

On Monday, October 14, 2019, 2:43:10 PM GMT+1, Arnold Mente via Groups.Io <Arnold.mente@...> wrote:


Hi Barry, I was asking for a offer to SM last year. Incidence is answering very fast and keep in mind in autumn they are make a discount with 10%!!!

Arnold Mente
SY Zephyr
SM203

Am 14.10.2019 um 15:26 schrieb Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...>:

Hi Barry, the A55 comes with Incidences sails made from Hydranet.  I have seen a lot of sails over my racing career and these are outstanding. No a single stitching has opened, no chafe, shape is still good.  Incidences I believe supplies a lot of sails for the French Open 60 fleet and they seem to know a thing or two about building durable sails.  If they’re not a lot more expensive than the competition, I will buy new sails for my boat from them.  Luckily, after 11000 miles they dare still excellent sails.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem



--
SY Zephyr SM203


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

Arnold Mente
 

Hi Barry, I was asking for a offer to SM last year. Incidence is answering very fast and keep in mind in autumn they are make a discount with 10%!!!

Arnold Mente
SY Zephyr
SM203

Am 14.10.2019 um 15:26 schrieb Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...>:

Hi Barry, the A55 comes with Incidences sails made from Hydranet.  I have seen a lot of sails over my racing career and these are outstanding. No a single stitching has opened, no chafe, shape is still good.  Incidences I believe supplies a lot of sails for the French Open 60 fleet and they seem to know a thing or two about building durable sails.  If they’re not a lot more expensive than the competition, I will buy new sails for my boat from them.  Luckily, after 11000 miles they dare still excellent sails.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem



--
SY Zephyr SM203


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

Joerg Esdorn
 

Hi Barry, the A55 comes with Incidences sails made from Hydranet.  I have seen a lot of sails over my racing career and these are outstanding. No a single stitching has opened, no chafe, shape is still good.  Incidences I believe supplies a lot of sails for the French Open 60 fleet and they seem to know a thing or two about building durable sails.  If they’re not a lot more expensive than the competition, I will buy new sails for my boat from them.  Luckily, after 11000 miles they dare still excellent sails.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem


Re: Battery Chargers

karkauai
 

Thank you John. Did you confirm that it doesn’t have an internal safety ground that defeats the Amel  isolated ground bonding system?
Will it be Lithium-ready if you go to Li in the future?

Thanks again.

Kent
Kristy
SM243


On Oct 13, 2019, at 9:24 AM, John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:


Hi Kent,
   I have the Magna 4124 inverter-charger.  105 amps DC charging capacity...though that is a bit much for my battery bank.  I got the remote control module which lets you program just about any charge profile you wish.    I imaging the battery charger only version will have the same charging capabilities.  I had no issues with the unit for first 8 months then the charging routine developed a mind of its own.  After some phone troubleshooting the tech rep figured out the charging control board had failed and had the unit replaced under warrantee.   No issues since.

I got the inverter-charger unit so it could act as a whole house supplier of 230v/50hz AC.  Our little 600w inverter is ok to run the ice maker and charge phones but not much else.  With the big inverter we don't have to start the genset for short duration high power loads like a shop vac, microwave, toaster....   It wires in at the Amel auto transfer switch and is invisible.  If we are not using it I turn it off at the remote control panel. 

The remote control is also handy. On the inverter model it can display the internal temperature of key electronic components...especially important if you install the unit in the engine room as I did.  (FYI no temperature issues when located in the forward port corner. On Annie this is the area where air is introduced to the engine room.)

I purchased the unit through Marysville Marine distributors.  

Regards,  John

SV Annie SM37
Brunswick GA




On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 10:39 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi All!  Great to see/meet so many of you at Annapolis this weekend.

I am looking for a new battery charger.  I have 8 group 31 Crown 130 AHr batteries for 520AHr bank at 24 V.DC.  They require equalizing at 31V for 1-4 hours periodically.  My Victron Skylla-i 80 amp charger has died and won’t be back from repair facility until after we leave.  It wasn’t ideal because of safety limits built in that don’t allow it to adequately desulfate my bank.
 I’m looking for a 80-100 A charger that will do what I need it to do and will allow equalization to be started/stopped from the remote panel.  Victron and MasterVolt don’t have that remote function.  Im considering a change to Lithium, but am not ready to pull the trigger yet...it’d be better if my new charger would also work on a Lithium system if/when I make the switch.
  I’ve found two that look like they will do what I want , NEWMAR and MAGNUM.  Does anyone have experience with these brands?  Any other recommendations?

thanks for you thoughts.
Kent & Iris
SM 243
Kristy

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Re: Companion way for removal

Ian Townsend
 

We used this veneer, ordered through Amazon. 

On Oct 14, 2019, at 2:30 AM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,

To apply laminate contact cement is used. Please remember to let both  surfaces dry before joining the laminate to the door,

When the two touch they cannot be separated, be careful.. I chose Formica brand laminate only because it looks closest to teak here in the USA. Just pick the one that you like, they are all basically the same. Just be sure to get the thicker variety of the laminate. Although the look is identical they often come in a very thin and a thicker style.

Fair Winds

Eric

sm

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 11:05 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Companion way for removal

 

Eric- that looks awesome and has inspired us to put this project on the list. Can you describe the glue you used and did you consider any other faux veneers ?


Re: Companion way for removal

eric freedman
 

Hi,

To apply laminate contact cement is used. Please remember to let both  surfaces dry before joining the laminate to the door,

When the two touch they cannot be separated, be careful.. I chose Formica brand laminate only because it looks closest to teak here in the USA. Just pick the one that you like, they are all basically the same. Just be sure to get the thicker variety of the laminate. Although the look is identical they often come in a very thin and a thicker style.

Fair Winds

Eric

sm

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 11:05 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Companion way for removal

 

Eric- that looks awesome and has inspired us to put this project on the list. Can you describe the glue you used and did you consider any other faux veneers ?


Re: Water in Forward Head Bilge and Bow Thruster

ngtnewington Newington
 

I agree with Tom on this one. I spent ages looking for a leaking seal on my bow thruster. To no avail. Eventually I resorted to hammering to windward whilst locked in the forpeak with a headlamp. Within a few minutes it was clear that the source of the leak was not the bow thruster at all, but the hatch gutter drain that is piped to the Bowthruster box with a flexible white ribbed pipe. These white pipes are glassed into the box (that the thruster rises into when up)  and it was there that the water leaked. Whenever the bow was buried into a wave it would spurt a little. At anchor of course it would be well above the waterline. It only happened when sailing in brisk winds. I was so sure that the pressure of burying the bow put the thruster seals under load and that they were the source.

The fix was so easy….just to re seal it with some silicon. Actually next time I get some 5200 I will re-do it as that is much stronger (note to self).

Nick

S/Y Amelia Aml 54-019 Kefalonia

On 13 Oct 2019, at 17:24, Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:

We have struggled on and off with small amounts of water in the bilge due to ingress from the bow thruster. At times perfectly dry, other times not so. Refining the hard seal seemed to help (the hole for the thruster had been modified by the previous owner).
One month ago we installed the special silicon seal that had been developed by Jose of Ipanema. This weekend (first at sea since then) I was distressed to see about one liter of water in the bilge. However, on closer inspection, the thruster area was bone dry (thank you, Jose). Further inspection showed the leak to be coming from the anchor wash pump, which had a disintegrating gasket. Very slow leak if the head through-hull is open, more vigorous when the pump was actuated. 
Just an FYI for all. Not all water in the forward bilge is from the thruster. Beware of false assumptions.

Tom Peacock
SM #240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay, US
Departing for Martinique November 3


Water in Forward Head Bilge and Bow Thruster

Thomas Peacock
 

We have struggled on and off with small amounts of water in the bilge due to ingress from the bow thruster. At times perfectly dry, other times not so. Refining the hard seal seemed to help (the hole for the thruster had been modified by the previous owner).
One month ago we installed the special silicon seal that had been developed by Jose of Ipanema. This weekend (first at sea since then) I was distressed to see about one liter of water in the bilge. However, on closer inspection, the thruster area was bone dry (thank you, Jose). Further inspection showed the leak to be coming from the anchor wash pump, which had a disintegrating gasket. Very slow leak if the head through-hull is open, more vigorous when the pump was actuated. 
Just an FYI for all. Not all water in the forward bilge is from the thruster. Beware of false assumptions.

Tom Peacock
SM #240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay, US
Departing for Martinique November 3


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

 

Barry,


They have shipped sails to over 40 Amel owners located at all points around the world. QSails is run by the 2nd generation of the Oge family, Emrah Oge <emrahoge at qsails.com>. I toured their 60,000 square foot loft in Izmir, Turkey and met all of the family and some of the workers. We designed 3 qualities of QSails for A54s including German-made HydraNet. Emrah supports the Amel Yacht Owners Group and has a advertisement on the group's WiKi page at https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/wiki/home. Email or call Emrah and ask him about the HydraNet Genoa that Bill Rouse recommends for your 54. Note: I do not own any part of QSails and receive zero from QSails. I also purchased a full set of HydraNet sails for our SM from QSails. 

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 5:14 AM Barry Connor via Groups.Io <connor_barry=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill Rouse from Barry Connor Amel 54. #17

I have decided to replace my Genoa before I cross the Atlantic. 

I think that you recommend and have a good contact with Q sails in Turkey. The original Amel supplied Genoa has been very hardy and worked well.
I don't want to buy a less quality sail. I think that the original Genoa sail supplied by Amel was called Hydra-net?

Can you advise the best sail for cruising? We will be doing our circumnavigation for the next 5 years.

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
"S/V Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Almerimar Marina,  Spain


Re: Companion way for removal

Thomas Kleman
 

Eric- that looks awesome and has inspired us to put this project on the list. Can you describe the glue you used and did you consider any other faux veneers ?


Re: Annapolis Boat Show--Harmonie Open Boat--Oct 12

Laurie McCall
 

Thank you so much for hosting the open boat.  It was delightful to meet you, and other Amelians. Seeing a “real” Amel home and hearing your stories have entirely erased the very few misgivings that had lingered in the back of my “farmer’s (granddaughter) brain”.

Your homes are beautiful, comfortable, and welcoming. Getting ready for winter in Ottawa can feel like hunkering down and spring can seem too far away to contemplate. But having met you and fellow Amelians, John & I are re-energized in our plans. 

Thank you again for your hospitality! 

The next time you’re in the Maritimes you really must go to St. John’s Nfld. Newfies are like Bluenosers with bigger personalities! 

I you happen to be in Ottawa before we move onto our own Amel, please promise you will stay with us!

Laurie

On Sep 21, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Karen Smith via Groups.Io <karenharmonie@...> wrote:

In addition to the other meet-ups around the Annapolis Boat show, we will be hosting an "open boat" onboard Harmonie SM160 from 4 to 8PM on Saturday Oct 12.  We are docked at Burt Jabin's Yacht Yard, a short water taxi (or dinghy!) ride from the boat show in Back Creek Annapolis.  Refreshments will be served...

Harmonie is fresh from a summer cruising Atlantic Canada so great cruising stories will be available to swap. We'll likely be in the middle of some projects, so the boat might not be in showroom shape, but it will be a more informative visit for all that!

RSVP to kls6917 (at) aol.com

Looking forward to seeing our fellow Amel owners (and potential owners)!

Karen Smith & Bill Kinney
S/V Harmonie
SM160
http://fetchinketch.net


Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Scott SV Tengah
 

Craig -

It works perfectly.

I just figure it's a bit silty here and I'd rather not run it near a city especially when we can hopefully get dock water easily.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Battery Chargers

John Clark
 

Hi Kent,
   I have the Magna 4124 inverter-charger.  105 amps DC charging capacity...though that is a bit much for my battery bank.  I got the remote control module which lets you program just about any charge profile you wish.    I imaging the battery charger only version will have the same charging capabilities.  I had no issues with the unit for first 8 months then the charging routine developed a mind of its own.  After some phone troubleshooting the tech rep figured out the charging control board had failed and had the unit replaced under warrantee.   No issues since.

I got the inverter-charger unit so it could act as a whole house supplier of 230v/50hz AC.  Our little 600w inverter is ok to run the ice maker and charge phones but not much else.  With the big inverter we don't have to start the genset for short duration high power loads like a shop vac, microwave, toaster....   It wires in at the Amel auto transfer switch and is invisible.  If we are not using it I turn it off at the remote control panel. 

The remote control is also handy. On the inverter model it can display the internal temperature of key electronic components...especially important if you install the unit in the engine room as I did.  (FYI no temperature issues when located in the forward port corner. On Annie this is the area where air is introduced to the engine room.)

I purchased the unit through Marysville Marine distributors.  

Regards,  John

SV Annie SM37
Brunswick GA




On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 10:39 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi All!  Great to see/meet so many of you at Annapolis this weekend.

I am looking for a new battery charger.  I have 8 group 31 Crown 130 AHr batteries for 520AHr bank at 24 V.DC.  They require equalizing at 31V for 1-4 hours periodically.  My Victron Skylla-i 80 amp charger has died and won’t be back from repair facility until after we leave.  It wasn’t ideal because of safety limits built in that don’t allow it to adequately desulfate my bank.
 I’m looking for a 80-100 A charger that will do what I need it to do and will allow equalization to be started/stopped from the remote panel.  Victron and MasterVolt don’t have that remote function.  Im considering a change to Lithium, but am not ready to pull the trigger yet...it’d be better if my new charger would also work on a Lithium system if/when I make the switch.
  I’ve found two that look like they will do what I want , NEWMAR and MAGNUM.  Does anyone have experience with these brands?  Any other recommendations?

thanks for you thoughts.
Kent & Iris
SM 243
Kristy


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

Paul Brown
 

Hi Barry, I had a long discussion with one of the main sail designers of Incendence sails at the Cannes boat show, I expect they can arrange a great replacement as they have been installing sails to Amel for years, the sails on Fortuna are great and so strong they should last for many years. I believe they have all specs required for your 54 by hull number 

Perhaps you will then sail as fast as a 55 :-)

Worth the conversion 

Regards Paul - Fortuna II 55/17


On 13 Oct 2019, at 12:14 pm, Barry Connor via Groups.Io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Hi Bill Rouse from Barry Connor Amel 54. #17

I have decided to replace my Genoa before I cross the Atlantic. 

I think that you recommend and have a good contact with Q sails in Turkey. The original Amel supplied Genoa has been very hardy and worked well.
I don't want to buy a less quality sail. I think that the original Genoa sail supplied by Amel was called Hydra-net?

Can you advise the best sail for cruising? We will be doing our circumnavigation for the next 5 years.

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
"S/V Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Almerimar Marina,  Spain