Date   
Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

Barry Connor
 

Hi Danny,
I do have foam luffs in my main sail but can’t see any in the original supplied Genoa.
Is it good to also have foam luffs in the Genoa?
Best 

Barry and Penny
“S/V Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Almerimar, Spain


On Oct 15, 2019, at 12:00, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Alan,

I cant agree that a rope insert is a viable option. I have had it foisted on me by sailmakers in the past. It does not do the job. A properly made foam insert is tapered at the ends and full in the middle. This takes up the fullness in the center of the sail and maintains good sail shape.It is important that the thickness of the foam is comensurate with the cut of the sail.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl   


On 15 October 2019 at 20:11 Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

If you intend to sail with the genoa partly furled you definitely need a foam or rope luff insert.
Even with these the sail shape is not great when furled but it's definitely better than not having it.
The sail shape doesn't look too bad from the cockpit, but have a look at a yacht sailing behind you with a furled genoa and you'll see how baggy it is, whoich wehne the breeze gets up, is exactly what you don't want!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54 and SM

Peter Forbes
 

Paul,

I am having a genakker ( code zero) made by Incidence in La Rochelle at the moment - I will know shortly if it had foam luff.

Peter Forbes 
Carango 
AMEL 54 #035
0044 (0)7836 209730

On 15 Oct 2019, at 13:17, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Thank you all for advice on foam luff, but I have still not heard any comments from the one who have incidence genoa and it must be many out there who have them, does it have foam luff or not? if not how does it perform? I would be very grateful for your feed back, I added SM in the head line to maybe attract a few more members to respond
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259

Re: Tachometer not playing ball - TMD22

Arlo
 

My tach on my Perkins showed similiar behavior and I traced it back to a corroded connector on the alternator that goes back to the tach. Check the sensor voltage on the back of the tach when the engine is running. I believe the voltage for the tach sensor on my perkins was around 6 or 8 volts when working properly. I cleaned the alternator spades and replaced the female connector and all is well now. 

Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54 and SM

Paul Brown
 

I will be asking the question to the designers of the incidence sails installed on the Post 2011 Amel’s if any were installed with a foam luff or why foam luffs were not installed on the Genoa 

Regards, Paul... Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Oct 2019, at 23:44, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

A foam luff is not relevant to sail construction. It’s relevant to how a sail rolls up on the furler. It’s required if you want to optimize performance while partially furled (reefed)....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Thank you all for advice on foam luff, but I have still not heard any comments from the one who have incidence genoa and it must be many out there who have them, does it have foam luff or not? if not how does it perform? I would be very grateful for your feed back, I added SM in the head line to maybe attract a few more members to respond
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259

Re: Tachometer not playing ball - TMD22

 

It could be your 12 volt alternator....the tach gets its signal from the Alternator. Sounds like the alternator is NOT exciting. Probable cause is a faulty relay or loose wire to the relay.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 4:51 AM David Cummane via Groups.Io <davidcummane=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
The needle on the tacho for my Volvo Penta TMD22 goes to the far side of the dial on turning the key but does not return to zero/rev count.

Periodically the needle shows a rev count after the engine has been running for some time.

Behind the panel there are two black wires connected to a female pin which looks like it should be attached to a male pin, however there are no obvious male pins available.  Picture below.

Has anyone had a similar problem or can anyone shed some light?

Many thanks

David Cummane
Ker Marie, SM#101 

Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54 and SM

Matt Salatino
 

A foam luff is not relevant to sail construction. It’s relevant to how a sail rolls up on the furler. It’s required if you want to optimize performance while partially furled (reefed)....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Thank you all for advice on foam luff, but I have still not heard any comments from the one who have incidence genoa and it must be many out there who have them, does it have foam luff or not? if not how does it perform? I would be very grateful for your feed back, I added SM in the head line to maybe attract a few more members to respond
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259

Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54 and SM

Paul Brown
 

Hi Paul

I have sailed around 3500nm since last April when I purchase Fortuna II 55/17. All sails are Incidence sails and the Genoa does not have a foam luff. From my experience reefing the Genoa many times we have not had an issue with its performance and we are very satisfied and would replace with the same unless we could install a better solution.

Regards Paul  - Fortuna II 55/17

Regards, Paul... Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Oct 2019, at 23:17, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Thank you all for advice on foam luff, but I have still not heard any comments from the one who have incidence genoa and it must be many out there who have them, does it have foam luff or not? if not how does it perform? I would be very grateful for your feed back, I added SM in the head line to maybe attract a few more members to respond
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259

Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54 and SM

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you all for advice on foam luff, but I have still not heard any comments from the one who have incidence genoa and it must be many out there who have them, does it have foam luff or not? if not how does it perform? I would be very grateful for your feed back, I added SM in the head line to maybe attract a few more members to respond
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259

Re: Companion way for removal

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Hi Kent,
We put in Plexiglas years ago. It's absolutely fantastic for brightening the cabin (you may recall seeing it). For privacy in a marina at night we have a simple finished piece of upholstery material that hangs by loops on the hatch knobs.
Removed the seal and the small gap (~1/16") left is never an issue - what little water enters when washing the cockpit or driving rain simply drains out as designed. (Haven't played submarine in a hurricane like Eric, though, but I'm confident it would not be an issue.) Removed the dodger to install it.
Cheers, Craig

Re: Companion way for removal

INUS - BUSCH
 

Hi Eric,
you mention the use of wax to block the UV on the Formica. 
I am curious what wax did you use and also if it can be used to prevent the gelcoat from bleaching?
All the best
Dieter
Fal-lera Sharki #135


Am 13.10.2019 um 04:10 schrieb eric freedman <kimberlite@...>:

Hi Miles,

I wanted to replace the veneer on Kimberlites companionway and replace it with laminate.

To get to the entire door off  you have to remove the hard dodger.—NO WAY--

I removed the stop and blocked the companionway door all the way up till it touched the dodger. I then made a rail the height of the side trim.

Using these rails and a router I was able to get to  the edges of the door. Of course the veneer that is under the trim cannot be replaced but it cannot be seen. I then routed the entire door and applied the laminate- I used Formica brand color teak. Seven years and it is still holding up. However it is important to use wax to block the UV on the Formica.

Pictures attached.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Alan,

I cant agree that a rope insert is a viable option. I have had it foisted on me by sailmakers in the past. It does not do the job. A properly made foam insert is tapered at the ends and full in the middle. This takes up the fullness in the center of the sail and maintains good sail shape.It is important that the thickness of the foam is comensurate with the cut of the sail.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl   


On 15 October 2019 at 20:11 Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

If you intend to sail with the genoa partly furled you definitely need a foam or rope luff insert.
Even with these the sail shape is not great when furled but it's definitely better than not having it.
The sail shape doesn't look too bad from the cockpit, but have a look at a yacht sailing behind you with a furled genoa and you'll see how baggy it is, whoich wehne the breeze gets up, is exactly what you don't want!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Tachometer not playing ball - TMD22

David Cummane
 

The needle on the tacho for my Volvo Penta TMD22 goes to the far side of the dial on turning the key but does not return to zero/rev count.

Periodically the needle shows a rev count after the engine has been running for some time.

Behind the panel there are two black wires connected to a female pin which looks like it should be attached to a male pin, however there are no obvious male pins available.  Picture below.

Has anyone had a similar problem or can anyone shed some light?

Many thanks

David Cummane
Ker Marie, SM#101 

Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54

Lior Keydar
 
Edited

Dear David

Last year I replaced my old galvanized chain with a new (galvanized) one. the new chain got often twisted and stuck when I released it. I searched a long time for the reason.
After a while I released out all the chain in the marina and the last 20 m was completely twisted. I untwisted it and took it back in and saw in the chain locker that it is coming in correct. I think I found the reason why it happen. As I release the chain it goes out without a pressure (no weight) and the chain twists around the swivel and even stuck sometimes. When I take the chain back in, it comes correct because it is always under the pressure of the chain weight. Every time I anchored, it was twisted a bit more (out twisted, in not twisted). After using the the for a while it got better and it happen more selten. Maybe it happen when the chain is new and after using it for a while, the chain get the right form. You can see in the two small movies what I mean.

Best regards
Lior A54 #18

Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

He Emonn

He First you should see that the anchors supplied on your SM NR 151are about 25 driving old.
At the time there was no choice of anchors .
We had also driven the stainless steel CQR until yesterday, but because it was bent against a spade.
Always consider how many years of the components delivered by Amel have worked.
Best Elja Röllinghoff.
SM Balu /222.

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

Alan Leslie
 

If you intend to sail with the genoa partly furled you definitely need a foam or rope luff insert.
Even with these the sail shape is not great when furled but it's definitely better than not having it.
The sail shape doesn't look too bad from the cockpit, but have a look at a yacht sailing behind you with a furled genoa and you'll see how baggy it is, whoich wehne the breeze gets up, is exactly what you don't want!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: SM2K: Replacing a CLIMMA 9EH AC unit in the Salon #replacement

Stephen Davis
 

We replaced our main salon and aft unit with Marine Air by Dometic in June 2014. Both are still working well, and so far, zero issues. 

Steve
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii

On Oct 14, 2019, at 18:33, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



Michael we replaced ours

with a Dometic 10-

Almost plug and play.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Mueller via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 10:53 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] SM2K: Replacing a CLIMMA 9EH AC unit in the Salon #replacement #replacement

 

Greetings!

Our CLIMMA 9EH AC unit in the Salon of SM2K #417 has failed. The compressor has a ground fault and trips the GFI.
Has anyone successfully replaced the unit or rebuilt the compressor?
We are currently not on the boat.
Does the Webasto Blue Cool S S10-R-230VREV (10k BTU) or even the S13-R-230V (13k BTU) unit fit in the available space under the salon bench?
At the Annapolis sailboat show a vendor with a good reputation in the Marine AC business recommended the "Marine Air"  built in China as a viable replacement.
Does anyone have experiences with either one?

Thank you in advance & with kind regards
Michael & Robyn
SY RIPPLE SM2K#417 currently in Brunswick, GA

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

eric freedman
 

Thanks

Kent !!

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 10:56 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

 

I ordered 20 meters.  It will do bow lockers, port deck locker, aft lazarette, and engine room hatches, with some left over....I hope ;-)>

I’ve done all but the engine room and still have quite a bit left, I’m all but certain it will be enough.

 

Kent

Kristy

SM 243



On Oct 14, 2019, at 9:25 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



Hi Kent,

How many meters of the gasket material did you order and what hatches will that quantity of

Material repair?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 11:39 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

 

Hi Eric.  They are 25mm across the base and12mm high.

 

Kent

SM 243

Kristy

 

On Oct 9, 2019, at 5:10 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 



Hi Kent,

Thanks for the photos.

What are the dimensions of the seals?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 4:43 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

 

Hi Steve,

I paid 8.70€/M plus shipping. I’m not sure she has enough to do another boat.  She couldn’t tell me anything about it when I was placing my order.  Said she had Some of several different profiles that had been used over the years, and sent me the one she did based on my description and pic of my original.  It sounded like that may be the last of what she has.  It is a stock design that should be available considerable cheaper where ever you are (Hawaii?)

 

Malama mai ka’i nui loa lawe, ko’u ho’aloha.

 

A hui hou.

Kent

Kristy

SM 243





On Oct 9, 2019, at 3:45 PM, Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote:



Hi Kent,

 

What is Amel charging per meter for the material?

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

Aloha SM 72

Hawaii


On Oct 9, 2019, at 09:39, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

I got the seals from Maud at Amel France.  They are half-round with a stiff bottom and what I think is neoprene rounded top.  The top is very soft and appears to be exactly the same as the originals.  The attached pics show the old (on the left) and new seals, the adhesive strips, and how Amel cut a small “V” at the site where the hinge bolt/washer/nut come close to the seal.  It is difficult to make the corners exact, I chose to add silicone caulk inside the corners and at the sites where the wedge was cut out to make room for the bolt.

Hardest part is reinstalling as it requires working on both sides of the hatch to tighten the hinge bolts.  Made easier by replacing the slot head bolts with Phillips heads.  Would be much easier with two people.


I will report again in a month or two to let you know how well it worked.

<351FA7CE-99C3-4082-956D-3396F2DE8A66.jpeg><A646EDF3-48E5-4C56-980C-CC4BA3A297FB.jpeg><70851A93-5550-45FD-A38A-6AC4660B65A1.jpeg>

Re: SM2K: Replacing a CLIMMA 9EH AC unit in the Salon #replacement

eric freedman
 

Michael we replaced ours

with a Dometic 10-

Almost plug and play.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Mueller via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 10:53 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] SM2K: Replacing a CLIMMA 9EH AC unit in the Salon #replacement #replacement

 

Greetings!

Our CLIMMA 9EH AC unit in the Salon of SM2K #417 has failed. The compressor has a ground fault and trips the GFI.
Has anyone successfully replaced the unit or rebuilt the compressor?
We are currently not on the boat.
Does the Webasto Blue Cool S S10-R-230VREV (10k BTU) or even the S13-R-230V (13k BTU) unit fit in the available space under the salon bench?
At the Annapolis sailboat show a vendor with a good reputation in the Marine AC business recommended the "Marine Air"  built in China as a viable replacement.
Does anyone have experiences with either one?

Thank you in advance & with kind regards
Michael & Robyn
SY RIPPLE SM2K#417 currently in Brunswick, GA

Re: Companion way for removal

Paul Brown
 

Of course from the 55 production the door is plexiglass with a stainless frame of top and front sliders and allows lots of light

Perhaps Amel could assist with a production or a design for a retrofit to earlier models

Regards, Paul - Fortuna 55/17

 Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Oct 2019, at 14:57, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

Has anyone thought about replacing the door with a piece of Lexan or plexiglass?  Maybe a teak frame with clear plastic insert?

It would require some thought to make it seal well when closed and NOT scratch the plastic when sliding up and down.

Sure would be nice to have more light.

Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243

On Oct 14, 2019, at 8:50 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



Hi FF,

Kimberlite has been underwater during our time in a hurricane for 36 hours. Nothing but the masts sticking up out of the water. I think we stopped counting at 20. The laminate is still strongly in place with no problems with the companionway.

I believe the laminate is at least 9 years old.

Fair Winds

 

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of scentstone
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 11:45 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Companion way for removal

 

Thank you Eric for the first extensive tutorial, 
Thank you Ian for the alternative product
Thank you Bill for the very insightful questions.

Even if there was some previous threads about this subject in the forum, we all need to clarify the most secure way to replace the veneer using a wood product and placing it also under the external guides because, in some rough conditions, if the job isn't made in using a single sheet properly glued, it can drive to a blocked companionway after sometime in bad weather which is highly undesirable…
Ian, may be have you some images and a more detailed process and we can start here to make a detailed how-to. 
If we succeed, I'll update my external veener and post here also the details and images.
Kind regards
FF

Re: Companion way for removal

karkauai
 

Has anyone thought about replacing the door with a piece of Lexan or plexiglass?  Maybe a teak frame with clear plastic insert?

It would require some thought to make it seal well when closed and NOT scratch the plastic when sliding up and down.

Sure would be nice to have more light.

Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243

On Oct 14, 2019, at 8:50 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



Hi FF,

Kimberlite has been underwater during our time in a hurricane for 36 hours. Nothing but the masts sticking up out of the water. I think we stopped counting at 20. The laminate is still strongly in place with no problems with the companionway.

I believe the laminate is at least 9 years old.

Fair Winds

 

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of scentstone
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 11:45 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Companion way for removal

 

Thank you Eric for the first extensive tutorial, 
Thank you Ian for the alternative product
Thank you Bill for the very insightful questions.

Even if there was some previous threads about this subject in the forum, we all need to clarify the most secure way to replace the veneer using a wood product and placing it also under the external guides because, in some rough conditions, if the job isn't made in using a single sheet properly glued, it can drive to a blocked companionway after sometime in bad weather which is highly undesirable…
Ian, may be have you some images and a more detailed process and we can start here to make a detailed how-to. 
If we succeed, I'll update my external veener and post here also the details and images.
Kind regards
FF