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Re: Ground strap in bilge
This is the one and only time that I will say that the Amel OEM part is not the best part. Amel uses a thin copper foil for the bonding strap inside the gray water bilge. In terms of electrical conductivity, it is perfect. In terms of durability it is not good enough. The gray PVC float switch tube sits on top of the copper foil and will wear through the copper foil in a few years. If you buy the Amel OEM copper foil, I suggest you buy 2 because you will likely need to replace it again in a few years. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 1:34 PM Randall Walker <lladnarowen@...> wrote:
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
This bilge bonding strap conducts micro volts. Stainless steel is much, much less conductive than copper. If I remember correctly, stainless steel has about 2-5% the conductivity of copper. Additionally, I had a client/engineer fashion one out of 1/8" x 2" stainless steel bar. He told me it was very difficult and to warn others that it wasn't worth it. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 12:00 PM Randall Walker <lladnarowen@...> wrote:
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
Randall Walker
That is awesome Robin.
I will be onto it in the morning.
All the best,
Randall
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of robin hutter via Groups.Io <robin6658@...>
Sent: October 20, 2019 2:31 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge I think it was around 90 euros — just tell them the bonding strap for the bilge of a SM — they will know what it is.
It was easy to get to the cables but was a problem to loosen the nut on the keelbolt as we needed a special high tool (30 mm) as the boöt was to high for a normal one.
Robin
Amel 54 # 54
Carré d‘As
Gesendet von Yahoo Mail für iPad Am Sonntag, Oktober 20, 2019, 19:20 schrieb Randall Walker <lladnarowen@...>:
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
I think it was around 90 euros — just tell them the bonding strap for the bilge of a SM — they will know what it is.
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It was easy to get to the cables but was a problem to loosen the nut on the keelbolt as we needed a special high tool (30 mm) as the boöt was to high for a normal one. Robin Amel 54 # 54 Carré d‘As Gesendet von Yahoo Mail für iPad Am Sonntag, Oktober 20, 2019, 19:20 schrieb Randall Walker <lladnarowen@...>:
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
Randall Walker
Thanks Robin,
Did you have an part order # for the strap. I'm in Spain and you would think copper is gold down here. I just cant find a supplier.
I am looking at doing the mast step as well. Eight hours you say, were the wires easy to get at?
Thanks again,
Randall
54 #56
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of robin hutter via Groups.Io <robin6658@...>
Sent: October 20, 2019 7:57 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge I got mine from Amel — you can check on our Blog
Robin
Amel 54 # 54in Roda de Bara
Carré d‘As
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
Randall Walker
Thought of that, if that is all I can get it will be a last resort. Copper pipe is a blend of metal. I believe hat Bill R. is not a fan either. Hoping to find a good quality copper.
Thanks Keith take care
Randall
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Keith Tice via Groups.Io <b.tice@...>
Sent: October 20, 2019 10:02 AM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge Any plumbing supply store. Copper tubing. Use a hammer to flatten it into a sheet.
Regards, Keith Tice Bikini SM2k #282
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
Keith Tice <b.tice@...>
Any plumbing supply store. Copper tubing. Use a hammer to flatten it into a sheet.
Regards, Keith Tice Bikini SM2k #282
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Re: Back up tablet navigation aid
Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Hi Mark,
Not sure how this thread got mixed up as I did not ask the original question, that was Rob Hughes.
You have raised an interesting point about routing software. This is something I know nothing about and am certainly interested in getting. My chart plotter is Furuno, and I use Navionics on IOS. Any suggestions for compatible routing software?
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: 19 October 2019 21:15 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Back up tablet navigation aid
Hi Paul,
We have been turned onto iSailor by other cruisers who use it. I downloaded the app and charts. It really works well. One of the very appealing features is you “rent” the charts rather than buy them at full price. The price of the rental averages about US$30 for a year and charts are automatically updated when newer versions become available.
We use iSailor only as a secondary system to our main onboard ships custom PC running Nobeltec Time Zero: https://mytimezero.com/
We have used Nobeltec TZ as our primary source for navigation since purchasing Cream Puff. We upgraded the ships PC to a solid-state computer custom built for us by Island Time PC and linked the PC to the NMEA 0183. Other aspects include integrated ActiveCaptain and AIS. In addition to a very comprehensive routing engine we have the ability to download weather and sea conditions while in-route using our sat-phone. This overlays onto the plotter and the routing engine will adjust the suggested course as necessary.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama
-- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: Mizzen mast paint.
John Clark
Hi Paul, I used a spray can mixed at a NAPA autoparts store. Check the Forum for my post. Am at work...will send you accurate paint code when I get home
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:48 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote: I need to tuch up some patches on my mizzen boom. Going tu use Alwgrip but do not know the colour code for our 1999 vintage SM 2000#259. Anyone who can guide me to the right colour?
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
Thomas Peacock
Cannot argue with the logic. We are fortunate, our strap seems to be pretty intact. But fashioning a copper connector by hammering a pipe has also been suggested, which seems easy enough.
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When are you going down?
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
Why a copper strap at all then. Why not use heavy duty copper wire?
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Ross INTREPID KIWI SM2K 356
On Sunday, October 20, 2019, 2:45 PM, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:
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Mizzen mast paint.
I need to tuch up some patches on my mizzen boom. Going tu use Alwgrip but do not know the colour code for our 1999 vintage SM 2000#259. Anyone who can guide me to the right colour?
Anyone who have painted your self who kan give advice on how to. What primer did you use? Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Lagos
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
A most interesting observation. Your thoughts?
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On Oct 20, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
Randall why do you not do it in 316 stainless Steel? We had a workshop done it for us reccon it will last many years. Yes I heard the argument SS is a poor conductor and yes it is, but the current going in the strap are milli amps,so not importan, And it is connected to the SS Keelbolts!
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Lagos
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Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting
Will Stout <tango708@...>
Hi James,
I have painted my bumper twice during my ownership. Once in 2015 in St Martin and just last week. Each time I used a can of acrylic spray paint acquired at my local big box store intended for plastic yard chairs. I found it to have excellent adhesion. I simply sanded with 220 grit, cleaned and sprayed multiple coats. The paint lasted 4 years before wearing through. It did not flake or crack and cost less than $5. even in the Caribbean. I was also able to find a excellent color match to the slightly off white Amel hull. Will Stout Anni Bea True SM 180 For Sale in Annapolis, MD.
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Re: Have I lost the bow thruster prop ?
John Clark
Hi Nick, sorry for addressing you as Nicole in my last. Darn spell-check and lack of proofreading... The "manual" I received with Annie was in French and was mostly an engineering description of the vessel. I learned how to use the Amel bow thruster service kit from this Amel Owners Forum. Do a search of "bow thruster" and I am sure you will find written instructions. That said, I am sure Bill Rouse's Amel textbook has a detailed set of instructions on how to drop and retrieve the bow thruster or as Bill himself suggested check out Alex's website for Super Maramu Nikimat. I hope, and I do expect, that you simply lost the propeller. It is an easy repair. Some complaint that the Amel bow thruster is too exposed and prone to damage, perhaps true....but it is also so robustly designed and easy to service that it rarely requires a professional. My SM is 30 years old and is running on her original bow thruster parts...with the obvious exception of the prop. Change the oil regularly and it will last almost forever. This is true of almost all Amels of the SM vintage.
The previous owner of Annie (FMR Vent de Soliel) had her for 16 years and stressed to me that regular greasing was the key to the vessel's health. After purchase I sailed her for two years all around the Caribbean. The only issues I had were with parts that were not lubricated so I give a lot of credence to his advice. Those that failed were for the most part "sealed" so I cannot blame the previous owner. As recommended in the forum I have since modified some parts(furling gears) to accept grease via zirc fittings, and others I have placed on a maintenance schedule to disassemble and clean regularly...similar to winch maintenance. Getting a grasp of the key maintenance items on your vessel will save you a lot of time, headache and money. Take a few days to get intimate with the forum archives....or invite Bill to France.... Regards, John SV Annie SM 37 Brunswick GA....hopefully soon to be at sea again
On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:52 PM Nicolas Klene via Groups.Io <laixoi=me.com@groups.io> wrote: Thank you john, i'll look for the replacement kit on board or order it after double checking if the prop is still there...
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
Hajo Hille
Randall
Here is the special link. You have to choose the material and the dimensions
Regards
Hajo
SM 150
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Oktober 2019 um 09:53 Uhr
Von: "Randall Walker" <lladnarowen@...> An: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Betreff: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge I know it has been on the forum many times. But I need to find a supplier of copper for making the grounding strap that goes to the keel.
Have been trying to source this in Spain. Is their someone who can point me to a supplier of a piece of copper 3mm x 50mm x 1500mm or 1/8" x 2" x 5 feet 6 inches. in Spain/Europe Thank you Randall AMEL 54 #56
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
I got mine from Amel — you can check on our Blog
Robin Amel 54 # 54in Roda de Bara Carré d‘As
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
Hajo Hille
Randall,
look at this web side https://www.prokilo.de
Hope this helps
Hajo
SM 150
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Oktober 2019 um 09:53 Uhr
Von: "Randall Walker" <lladnarowen@...> An: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Betreff: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge I know it has been on the forum many times. But I need to find a supplier of copper for making the grounding strap that goes to the keel.
Have been trying to source this in Spain. Is their someone who can point me to a supplier of a piece of copper 3mm x 50mm x 1500mm or 1/8" x 2" x 5 feet 6 inches. in Spain/Europe Thank you Randall AMEL 54 #56
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Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting
Thomas Peacock
We’ve had pretty good luck with Flex-Seal. It’s a line of products that includes paint, filler, and glue. One year out we have a couple of chips, about to touch up. It is a little slippery when you stand on it, was thinking of adding a non-slip texture to the paint next time.
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Tom Peacock SM #240 Aletes Chesapeake Bay, leaving for Martinique November 3
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