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Re: prop suddenly turning
Ian Park
Santorin prop alternator operates with gear lever in neutral.
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Same notice as others, do not put gear on forward when sailing.
On 27 Oct 2019, at 17:06, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@gmx.de> wrote:
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Re: prop suddenly turning
He all
I think the forward rotation by sail is no problem by the SM because a lot of SM have a alternator on the c drive . When he is working the prop works forward to push the alternator Elja SM Balu 222 Von meinem iPhone gesendet
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Re: prop suddenly turning
Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Franchement = properly
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Our boat has a little placard next to the shifter which reads "Sous voiles, moteur arrêté. NE JAMAIS LAISSER LE LEVIER EMBRAYE dans la POSITION QUI NE STOPPE PAS franchement l'hélice." (crazy capitalization in original) Which I translate to "Under sail, motor stopped. NEVER LEAVE THE SHIFT LEVER in a POSITION WHICH DOES NOT STOP the propeller ." If I take a slightly looser translation, "Under sail without motor: never leave the shift lever in a position which allows the propeller to spin freely."
So it doesn't actually tell you which position to put it in, just that you should make it stop. It doesn't even tell you to make it stop spinning, but I think that's implied. I've noticed on mine that it will slowly spin if put in forward, so I always leave it in reverse. I believe the original owner of our boat did the same. But the text does say something about the free spinning of the propeller (I think; "franchement" doesn't seem to have a direct translation to English in this context. Google Translate just drops it from the sentence entirely) so it's possible that slowly rotating is fine.
Ryan and Kelly SM 233 Iteration Boston, MA, USA
On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 11:33 AM Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
-- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: prop suddenly turning
He Mlles
I think it is possible the Prop is a little dirty and he is not in the right position? Maybe you trey to give him a push in the back position . When you are lucky he gos in the forward position in the right position and stop to turn Best Elja SM Balu 222 Von meinem iPhone gesendet
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Re: prop suddenly turning
Ryan Meador
Our boat has a little placard next to the shifter which reads "Sous voiles, moteur arrêté. NE JAMAIS LAISSER LE LEVIER EMBRAYE dans la POSITION QUI NE STOPPE PAS franchement l'hélice." (crazy capitalization in original) Which I translate to "Under sail, motor stopped. NEVER LEAVE THE SHIFT LEVER in a POSITION WHICH DOES NOT STOP the propeller ." If I take a slightly looser translation, "Under sail without motor: never leave the shift lever in a position which allows the propeller to spin freely." So it doesn't actually tell you which position to put it in, just that you should make it stop. It doesn't even tell you to make it stop spinning, but I think that's implied. I've noticed on mine that it will slowly spin if put in forward, so I always leave it in reverse. I believe the original owner of our boat did the same. But the text does say something about the free spinning of the propeller (I think; "franchement" doesn't seem to have a direct translation to English in this context. Google Translate just drops it from the sentence entirely) so it's possible that slowly rotating is fine. Ryan and Kelly SM 233 Iteration Boston, MA, USA
On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 11:33 AM Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode=me.com@groups.io> wrote: I don't know which gearbox your Amel has. But my Sharki has the Hurth HBW20 gearbox and the placard says, quite strongly, to NEVER have the shift in forward when sailing and the engine is stopped!
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Re: prop suddenly turning
Gerhard Mueller
I don't know which gearbox your Amel has. But my Sharki has the Hurth HBW20 gearbox and the placard says, quite strongly, to NEVER have the shift in forward when sailing and the engine is stopped!
-- Gerhard Mueller Amel Sharki #60 Currently Kalamata, Greece
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prop suddenly turning
Miles
Dear Amelians, I am heading for Bermuda and then Marinique.. I just noticed that the propeller shaft was turning when I was sailing and the throttle handle was flat forward as Amel said to dol. I have no shaft break and an AutoProp propeller. My boat is SM 216. I have owned it from new. There is a placard attached to the boat in front of the shift lever. The placard says, quite strongly, to always have the shift in forward when sailing and I have always done this. Just now, I noticed that the shaft was rotating slowly with the gear in forward and the boat going about 5 knots. It was slow and I could stop it with my foot. Does this mean that the clutches in the transmission were slipping and wearing? I don't understand how the shaft can turn when it is in gear and the engine is stopped. I tried putting it in reverse and the shaft stopped. Doing this means passing through neutral to start the motor. In neutral, the prop spins fast in reverse and putting the transmission in forward causes a big jerk on the transmission clutches. I don't know what to do and I would be grateful for advice. Regards, MIles, S/Y Ladybug, sm216 350 miles NW of Bermuda.
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Infos about Break in the Main Mast Furler
Hi Amel 54 friends,
my main mast furler did block due to corrosion inside, after 8 years of operation. The rubber sealing ring above was broken, and there has been no drain hole in the lower part. Funny. Both Topics are resolved with a new furler (NOT lowcost) from AMEL. I try to repair the old one to have a spare furler onboard. The break inside the furler in the lower section is strongly corroded and needs repair or replacement. I am sure that I am not the first and not the last who has had or will have this problem. My question: Does anybody has information and experience about the mechanical parts, the electrical connection, or even where the mechanical parts of this break could be found for purchase? Thanks for your help!!! Alexander SY Oceanica I. Amel 54#156 from 2010
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Re: Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed
Hi Bill,
I would like to buy one for our VP D3-110i-C. Do you know if they also make one for the Onan 11kW genset? I think that one is (even) more subject to corrosion. Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed
Jeffery, Great! HDI will use it to make a mold, then make an investment cast stainless steel elbow for the D3. For those of you that don't know what we are discussing, many marine engines including Yanmar and Volvo have either a cast iron or welded stainless steel exhaust elbow. These almost always fail, and seem to fail at an inconvenient time. I had my Yanmar welded stainless steel elbow fail in Thailand. The Yanmar OEM part cost me Yanmar list price of $500 plus $500 duty. HDI sells an investment cast stainless steel elbow for less than $300. HDI is a Preferred Vendor of Amel Yacht Owners School. Many Amel owners have added HDI exhaust elbows to their engines. I did. As far as I know, everyone is satisfied and all are very happy with the product and price. I assume that HDI will have the D3-110 part available in 4-6 weeks. The contact information I have is: --
On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 1:21 PM JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...> wrote:
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Re: tb/BRISBANE area marina & yard/AYOG
Germain Jean-Pierre
Hello All, Like Danny, I will be in Opua. Good trades and far better cruising grounds in the Bay of Islands. Whangerei requires at least 2 hours just to leave the river. Cheers Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera SM 007, Fiji
On 27 Oct 2019, at 08:15, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:
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Re: seals orientation
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi. In 11 years and 50,000 miles of using Amel supplied seals I have never had a failure, and the springs have never been rusty on removal. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 27 October 2019 at 08:02 "Arnold Mente via Groups.Io" <Arnold.mente@...> wrote:
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Re: tb/BRISBANE area marina & yard/AYOG
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Scott. You will get the best rates for haul outs and hard stand in Whangarei. There is competition there. Good trades too. But I do almost all mine in Opua as it is only a day sail south of me, Whangarei is twice that and a two hour drive from home. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl Regards Danny
On 27 October 2019 at 03:39 islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:
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Re: seals orientation
Hi Craig,
have received the seals loosely in the envelope. 1.4301 / V2A / 304 is not seawater resistant. Only 1.4571 / V4A / 316 with 2% molybdenum (is pure austenitic) is seawater resistant and non-magnetic! For example, this is why surveyors use a magnet to test the stainless steel components of a yacht. Otherwise my education would have been wrong. I would like to see it differently, but with an austenitic steel one finds no magnetism through the transformation of the structure from ferritic to austenitic. In cheap stainless steel parts for yachts produced in the Far East, it often happens that these are made of 304. I have no intention of questioning the delivery of Amel. But why is the spring magnetic? Shaft seals with 316 springs are also difficult to obtain, as my research has shown so far. With 304 on the oil side, I have no problems but the seawater side worries me. Best, Arnold Am 26.10.2019 um 19:18 schrieb Craig Briggs SN 68 Sangaris via Groups.Io <sangaris@...>: [Edited Message Follows] Hi Arnold,I assume when you say the springs of the Amel supplied lip seals were magnetic you (or your mechanic) concluded they were not Stainless Steel and therefore you replaced them with O-rings. Actually, Stainless Steel is slightly magnetic and the very thin and lightweight Stainless Steel springs in lip seals will "stick" to a magnet - therefore the "test" your mechanic performed was not definitive. You must rely on the manufacturers specification - there is a Code letter that specifies Stainless Steel Garter Springs. Carbon Steel is usually the default, so you must specifically order stainless steel garter spring. I am sure Amel supplied the correct lip seal and that it did, indeed, have a stainless steel spring. If I recall correctly, Amel ships the lip seals in the manufacturer's box - if so you could check the part number on the box, if you still have it, and see that it indeed is a Stainless Steel Garter Spring. Cheers, Craig Arnold Mente Urbaniweg 12 -- SY Zephyr SM203
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Re: Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed
JEFFREY KRAUS
I got it. I replied mine. I'll bring it back with me and send it to you monday Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.
-------- Original message -------- From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> Date: 10/26/19 2:12 PM (GMT-04:00) To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed Yes Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 12:29 PM JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...> wrote:
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Re: Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed
Yes Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 12:29 PM JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...> wrote:
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Re: Yanmar Diesel Won't Stay Running
eric freedman
Coming across the Atlantic we had the same problem. I decided it was a problem with something blocking the tank. I took off the Hose leading to the tank and put it into the bell of the ships horn. When I heard bubbling I stopped. When I got to the USA, I drained the tank. Behind the fuel valve Amel mounted a screen. On Kimberlite you need a very thin wrench to remove the valve, it used to be called a tappet wrench. My tank inspection ports were sealed with blue silicone. Pieces of the blue silicone were blocking fuel flow, I flushed the tank and ran it through a filter to get out the blue stuff. Permatex recommends Moto Seal for replacing the tank gaskets. It is used on motorcycle gear boxes and is meant to be easily disassembled to change the gears om Motos for different tracks.
This is very unique and if all else fails possibly this is the problem, however I think it is something much simpler. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Garver via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 2:48 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Yanmar Diesel Won't Stay Running
The mechanic at the marina asked the same question about the auto-shutdown feature, so he's investigating that. I am about to pump some fuel from the bottom of the tank to check for water. I will also check for a vacuum on the fuel line, that's a good idea.
Thanks!
Mark S/V It's Good SM #105
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FW: [AmelYachtOwners] Yanmar Diesel Won't Stay Running
eric freedman
Coming across the Atlantic we had the same problem. I decided it was a problem with something blocking the tank. I took off the Hose leading to the tank and put it into the bell of the ships horn. When I heard bubbling I stopped. When I got to the USA, I drained the tank. Behind the fuel valve Amel mounted a screen. On Kimberlite you need a very thin wrench to remove the valve, it used to be called a tappet wrench. My tank inspection ports were sealed with blue silicone. Pieces of the blue silicone were blocking fuel flow, I flushed the tank and ran it through a filter to get out the blue stuff. Permatex recommends Moto Seal for replacing the tank gaskets. It is used on motorcycle gear boxes and is meant to be easily disassembled to change the gears om Motos for different tracks.
This is very unique and if all else fails possibly this is the problem, however I think it is something much simpler. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Garver via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 2:48 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Yanmar Diesel Won't Stay Running
The mechanic at the marina asked the same question about the auto-shutdown feature, so he's investigating that. I am about to pump some fuel from the bottom of the tank to check for water. I will also check for a vacuum on the fuel line, that's a good idea.
Thanks!
Mark S/V It's Good SM #105
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Re: Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed
JEFFREY KRAUS
Bill, are you looking for the exhaust elbow coming off the turbo? Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.
-------- Original message -------- From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> Date: 10/24/19 1:33 PM (GMT-04:00) To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed If one of you has a Volvo D3-110 exhaust elbow, I could use it. As you probably know HDI Marine the manufacturer of Stainless Steel Investment Cast elbows is a Preferred Vendor of Yacht School. I just received an email from HDI asking if I could locate a D3-110 elbow for them to use to make a mold which will allow them to produce a Stainless Steel Investment Cast elbow for the D3-110. If you have an old one in any condition, it will work. Let me know. Bill --
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Re: seals orientation
Hi Arnold,
I assume when you say the springs of the Amel supplied lip seals were magnetic you (or your mechanic) concluded they were not Stainless Steel and therefore you replaced them with O-rings. Actually, Stainless Steel is slightly magnetic and the very thin and lightweight Stainless Steel springs in lip seals will "stick" to a magnet - therefore the "test" your mechanic performed was not definitive. You must rely on the manufacturers specification - there is a Code letter that specifies Stainless Steel Garter Springs. Carbon Steel is usually the default, so you must specifically order stainless steel garter spring. I am sure Amel supplied the correct lip seal and that it did, indeed, have a stainless steel spring. If I recall correctly, Amel ships the lip seals in the manufacturer's box - if so you could check the part number on the box, if you still have it, and see that it indeed is a Stainless Steel Garter Spring. Cheers, Craig
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