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Re: D3-110 oil blow-by

Porter McRoberts
 

Scott. 
I am sorry to say this was the first symptom of my failed rings and block. 
It was actually the second block I’d had in the boat. Which lead to the third which also failed and then to a completely new H series Volvo D3. Which has been perfect (500hrs). 

Those red betas are amazing engines. And if it had been on my dime I’d have bought one. Volvo ended up paying for our new H D3. 

Boost pressure sensor failing due to oil?  That’s the death rattle. 

I hope I am wrong Scott. 

Best of luck. 

Porter 
A54-152. IBIS
OPUA, NZ



Excuse the errors.  
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On Oct 29, 2019, at 2:33 AM, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:

Hi all,

My Volvo D3-110 is exhibiting what I think is blow by. Oil migrates up the return hose and slowly collects in the air filter. In the attached photo, I am pointing to the hose where oil migrates.

I have read some articles that indicate that blow by indicates worn rings (only 2250 hours!) but also might be due to a failed/clogged crankcase breather or just because the tolerances are loose when the engine is cold, so there's inevitably some blowby. 

It's not a lot of oil, perhaps a tablespoon per 100 hours or so, but it's annoying in that it starts leaking out of the air filter housing, across the hoses and down to the engine room floor.

Should I be worried?
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Orion, if you want SM specs you are bestvto buy an SM. Theccosts of modifications can be astronomical. Likewise, take care if you consider buying one in poor condition with systems  non functional. The costs of restoration are also astronomical.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 October 2019 at 01:17 Orion Martin <poonz1@...> wrote:

Good evening everyone,

After many months of struggling between the Super Maramu and the Santorin, we have settled on the Santorin to do a circumnavigation. In the end the main reasons was cost and time. We considered the possibility that a circumnavigation would take three years, in which all likelyhood we would never use the boat again once we had finished. While the SM is the perfect boat for us (if there is such a thing in yachting), the expenses involved to get the boat up to scratch before we even set sail (let alone the cost of the boat) we found hard to justify for a three year trip. So our next option is the Santorin, in which we think we can modify the galley (to include washing machine and extra bench space), modify the portside seating, add air con to the aft cabin, possibly build a solar arch and install lithium batteries, plus standard antifouling paint/servicing/other minor modifications for under $300k AUD(including the purchase of the boat. Any thoughts on this scenario and its feasibility would be most appreciated.

Regarding the Santorin, I have a few burning questions that i haven't been able to source the information for. Does the Santorin have:
- Freezer under salon seating?
- Any aircon? ( and is there space to install aircon units in aft/forward cabins and salon?)
- Is the Santorin 12V or 24V, and what is the advantage of having 24V compared with 12V?
- If I install the lithium batteries in the passageway, is it possible to fit a small generator in the engine room and do I need one? ( If I have lithium batteries and solar arch, I figure I may only have to turn on the main engine once a day to help charge the batteries with the lithium batteries holding enough power to run aircon in aft cabin during the evening).

I understand purchasing a yacht I would most likely not make any money when it came time to sell, though in this case i would hope to break even especially if we went to the trouble of doing these modifications to the Santorin that future buyers would appreciate. The only thing bugging me is whether the total cost involved with such an enterprise would be mostly recovered or I am throwing good money after bad and could perhaps be better off spending more to buy an SM with less headache.

Again thoughts and recommendations greatly appreciated.

Kindest regards 
Orion

Re: Track on main boom SM

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent, i have just had it confirmed they are aluminium. And they unscrew very easily given how long they have been in there

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 October 2019 at 02:09 "karkauai via Groups.Io" <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi Danny, timely question.  I thought they were aluminum.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
karkauai@...
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Oct 28, 2019, at 4:59 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Has anyone replaced the bolts holding the track onto the top of the main boom on the SM 2000. I would particularly like to know what the material of the bolts is so I can get the same to replace them with. Mine are an alloy of some sort. Most definitely not stainless of any kind. They are M 8x50mm countersunk head and thread into the boom, no nuts.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl


 


 

Re: Tips for the passage from Chesapeake to St. Maarten?

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Scott. I think my approach would be to take a look at PredictWind, their departure scenarios. Then look at the forecast and conditions out 2 to 3 days and pick the departure day based on the most comfortable scenario, not the fastest scenario.
Mike
Aletes SM 240

On Oct 28, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:

Thanks Mike. It'd be great if we could time it to leave more or less around the same time. We'll probably stick around DC this weekend and may just do an overnighter to get to Norfolk on Sunday.

Since leaving with a NW from Norfolk is not advisable, how do you choose your weather window?

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Orion,

not starting with pros and cons of SN and SM, just answering your questions:

* freezer: we have a waeco freezer in the cockpit locker, just next to the chair, works fine and is probably the only place in the SN where you can install one without major changes (~0,4k $).
* aircon: we have a portable seawater cooled unit but used it only 4 times in the last 5 years. Italy, Trinidad and Panama in the Marina (and have been very glad we had one...). There would be space to install a small fixed unit on starboard opposite to the front bath-room, -3k $
* 12V
* generator (eg. fischer panda 4000) can be installed in the engine room or (as we have it) in the aft locker.
* water maker: can be installed in the engine room, the tubes below the cockpit locker. enough space for 2 ore more (thanks Ian, that was really a very good hint), control box below the galley, no additional through hulls necessary.  ~4k $

fair winds,

herbert
KALI MERA, SN120, Mazatlan

Re: Latest RigRite.com Goiot Tradition Prices 2019!

Andrew Eaves
 

Hi Charles

Appreciate your passion sir! Yes send what you have. This is niche stuff so if you order 100-200 I don't know how long you'd be sat on them. Plan B what about plastic printing if there are only a few of us in the market?

Anyway happy to tag along and be a customer. I would just like to get the products matching and complete and not the mess I have at the moment.

Gaskets are another job....

Regards

Andrew

Cheap things that WorK!

 

I was just chatting with one of my clients and thought that it might be a great idea to share cheap things that work to more people than just my client. Maybe you have one to add to this posing thread...Here is what I sent my clientI had a small cheap drum pump (walmart) with a long stiff hose. Twice when I owned BeBe, I opened one of the inspection ports and placed the hose to the very bottom of the tank (I had to extend the rigid plastic pipe to reach the bottom...did that with a piece of hose) and pumped into a large glass jar. Each time I did this I only pumped a total of about 1/2 gallon and in that sample had about 1 cup of water.

Now is a perfect time to do this before you launch because the tank has been still.
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--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

Re: Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

JOHN HAYES
 

Gidday Orion 

I’ve done pretty much what your considering

So I began looking for a cruising ketch with centre cockpit and  confined my choice to a Contest, Harley rassie (sp?) or an Amel and ended up with a Santorin and have been very happy with the choice.  All amounts that follow are in NZ dollars

I came across a 1991 Santorin sailed to NZ from the Med. it has now had 4 owners and its name has been changed by each owner

I sailed it first around our South Island and the next year the north island and have just completed a voyage Wellington Nuku’alofa Vava’u Savusavu Denarau Vanuatu Noumea Wellington without incident except 55 knot head winds at times until a couple of days from Tonga

Living in the roaring 40’s we encounter strong winds at times.....I purposely took the boat out in winds of 50 plus knots to see what might break and those trips were important first to give me confidence in the boat. I had no previous knowledge of Amel and it’s systems

So costs

Boat $155k

Slip and take antifouling back to gel coat $10000. 
An extravagance!!!  Should have set up with cover cost .....,
Installed Zeus 2 chart plotter new wind gear and depth sounder $8000

Added AIS $1250

Replaced anchor chain with 120m  10mm Italian made chain $1500

Re galvanised anchors $200

On the first trip the Bimini blew apart replaced and redesigned in superior cloth $7500

The wind generator lost its feathers and I replaced with a silent wind $5000

We had to cut down the Genoa trying to get into akaroa harbour in 60 knots with the engine overheating and the headsail furling motor dying and I did not understand the need to cross over the sheets on the manual system

New Genoa $5000 rebuild furler motor and the gears in the gear box $4500

The motor was a Perkins 50 hp. It has a spline driven water pump which if not aligned precisely with a special tool chews up the spline in the water pump shaft. Happened twice cost $1250 each time for new spline and pump

Replaced the motor with a Volvo D250 and all skin fittings before heading to the pacific $32000

Brought new tender $3300 (don’t like it too heavy) plan to buy a carbon fibre replacement circa  $8000

Replaced all mattresses and interior upholstery $8000

New main $3800. New mizzen $2000 

New rigging $17000

Rebuilt the 3 furler motors $3000

Replaced stove $1600

New 6 person life raft $3800

Added a portable freezer to the front hanging locker. Been excellent $800. There is no freezer under the seats on my boat

Overhauled bow thruster $500

Overhauled spectra water maker by agent $750

Added second raycor fuel filter $750

Added forward scanner $2600. Might have been smarter to upgrade to a Zeus 3 has cheaper scanner connection.....I found Navico charts excellent  and forward scanner marginal value

Replaced engine room fans $120

Replaced dodger windows $460

Replaced running rigging. $1500

Replaced flares added plbs life jackets. NZ required first aid kit $3500

Put on part b of the New outboard motor for tender $2000

I’ve also thought about adding an inner forestay which the SM has 

My experience is that the prop generator and the wind generator provides all the power we have needed.  We also have a couple of solar panels but don’t really need them

You might want to think about what you add to the stern. The large stern locker means we continually fight to minimise weight in the stern Because it affects bow stern trim. We carry the tender on the roof of the aft cabin which adds to the problem
Have I over capitalised?  To secure insurance for off shore  cost $5200. I had to get the boat valued. The value was $260k 

Hope the foregoing is of use to your consideration 

The Santorin has excellent seakeeping qualities l love it!!

John Hayes 
Nga Waka sn 41

Wellington  


















On 29/10/2019, at 1:18 AM, Orion Martin <poonz1@...> wrote:

Good evening everyone,

After many months of struggling between the Super Maramu and the Santorin, we have settled on the Santorin to do a circumnavigation. In the end the main reasons was cost and time. We considered the possibility that a circumnavigation would take three years, in which all likelyhood we would never use the boat again once we had finished. While the SM is the perfect boat for us (if there is such a thing in yachting), the expenses involved to get the boat up to scratch before we even set sail (let alone the cost of the boat) we found hard to justify for a three year trip. So our next option is the Santorin, in which we think we can modify the galley (to include washing machine and extra bench space), modify the portside seating, add air con to the aft cabin, possibly build a solar arch and install lithium batteries, plus standard antifouling paint/servicing/other minor modifications for under $300k AUD(including the purchase of the boat. Any thoughts on this scenario and its feasibility would be most appreciated.

Regarding the Santorin, I have a few burning questions that i haven't been able to source the information for. Does the Santorin have:
- Freezer under salon seating?
- Any aircon? ( and is there space to install aircon units in aft/forward cabins and salon?)
- Is the Santorin 12V or 24V, and what is the advantage of having 24V compared with 12V?
- If I install the lithium batteries in the passageway, is it possible to fit a small generator in the engine room and do I need one? ( If I have lithium batteries and solar arch, I figure I may only have to turn on the main engine once a day to help charge the batteries with the lithium batteries holding enough power to run aircon in aft cabin during the evening).

I understand purchasing a yacht I would most likely not make any money when it came time to sell, though in this case i would hope to break even especially if we went to the trouble of doing these modifications to the Santorin that future buyers would appreciate. The only thing bugging me is whether the total cost involved with such an enterprise would be mostly recovered or I am throwing good money after bad and could perhaps be better off spending more to buy an SM with less headache.

Again thoughts and recommendations greatly appreciated.

Kindest regards 
Orion

Re: Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

Kaplan,Andre
 

As a Mango owner, I would be very interested in the work you have done. Especially the switch to lithium. 

My email: kaplan@...

My address: 6 Hardwood RD
Plainville, CT 06062

Thank you

Andre Kaplan
Mango 71 88



On Oct 28, 2019, at 9:44 AM, Charles Bell <shipbldr2000@...> wrote:

Hello Orion,

I am currently performing a complete refit of an  82 Amel Mango whos scope is similar to what you have described (and is probably wider). (24kwh BattleBorn LiPO4 battery bank, 5x5KW inverters, and all new systems, full paint, new rig, etc...) The interior is ripped out and a Maramu-style interior is being built (tongue-in-cheek are calling it a "MangoMu"). We are even installing *GASP* holding tanks... :)

I have an expensive slide deck on the project and well as hundreds of pictures and videos I can share with you, just send me a PM. If there is wider interest I will figure out a more scalable way to share.

If you (or anyone else) are in the Annapolis area and would like to walk the project and see what is happening, please feel free to let me know.

Charles (& Hae)
SV Saturn
Mango #29

Re: Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

Ian Park
 

Fully agree with Mark. 
I have a Santorin. I don’t want air con or freezers etc. It is a great blue water boat as it is. The prop shaft alternator keeps us well charged without running the engine. 
You will only get a Santorin price for your boat after 3 years. 
My advice is look for a well maintained SM that has everything On your wish list and ensure a similar resale price. 
Ian
Ocean Hobo
SN96




On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:15, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:



Orion,

 

I mean the upmost respect as I say this, I do not think the Santorin and adding upgrades is a good plan. You are looking to purchase an Amel and make significant investments and changes. Just the lithium upgrade along is going to cost US$15,000+, Aircon is another US$10,000+ etc (assuming you have an electrical system that can handle the load or you’ll have to make major changes).  Have you considered the cost of ownership while making these upgrades. They will all take considerable time. You will also need an electrician knowledgeable of Amel’s unique floating ground system (a very rare find). Why not buy the SM that already has this stuff. I think you can easily find a well kept Amel in this price range (maybe a tad more). Also keep in mind, in three years when you sell the SM, it will sell for more than the Santorin giving you your extra money back.

 

The best advice I received when purchasing Cream Puff was from Bill Rouse who told me not to change anything for a year. This was very sound advice that prove invaluable. We sailed the eastern USA for the first year of our cruising getting to know our Amel. Only then did we make a couple of changes. We added an arch and solar. We have tried to keep all systems on our vessel as close to the original design as possible. We learned very quickly about the level of detailed thought that went into the vessel design.

 

There is a very good string in this group regarding lithium upgrades. You will find it is not as easy as it sounds. You will also need to change alternators, battery chargers, regulators etc. These are major expensive components for a three year plan. Why not just install good quality batteries. Even if you change them all out midway, this is still 20% of the cost of the upgrade. A good set of Firefly batteries will last more than three years, again 1/3 the cost. I can see adding lithium for a ten year plan, but not a three.

 

I see you make no mention of a washer/dryer. Perhaps the most valuable piece of equipment on our boat is the washer/dryer. We have learned in our travels how doing laundry is a major pain. I can’t imagine cruising full-time without a washer/dryer. This sure has made life on anchor a lot more comfortable.

 

I think your idea of breaking even on upgrades you make to a vessel is a little myopic. All the upgrades will do is sell the vessel faster when it goes to market. You will never recoup monies spent on a boat. If you try, you’ll own the boat longer than planned.

 

My advice, either buy the Santorin and sail it as is. Or, buy the SM and sail it as is. The SM will offer more comforts and in my opinion is easier to sail.

 

This is just my 2¢, I’m sure others will disagree. But, I’d love to see their viewpoints also.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Orion Martin
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 8:18 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

 

Good evening everyone,

After many months of struggling between the Super Maramu and the Santorin, we have settled on the Santorin to do a circumnavigation. In the end the main reasons was cost and time. We considered the possibility that a circumnavigation would take three years, in which all likelyhood we would never use the boat again once we had finished. While the SM is the perfect boat for us (if there is such a thing in yachting), the expenses involved to get the boat up to scratch before we even set sail (let alone the cost of the boat) we found hard to justify for a three year trip. So our next option is the Santorin, in which we think we can modify the galley (to include washing machine and extra bench space), modify the portside seating, add air con to the aft cabin, possibly build a solar arch and install lithium batteries, plus standard antifouling paint/servicing/other minor modifications for under $300k AUD(including the purchase of the boat. Any thoughts on this scenario and its feasibility would be most appreciated.

Regarding the Santorin, I have a few burning questions that i haven't been able to source the information for. Does the Santorin have:
- Freezer under salon seating?
- Any aircon? ( and is there space to install aircon units in aft/forward cabins and salon?)
- Is the Santorin 12V or 24V, and what is the advantage of having 24V compared with 12V?
- If I install the lithium batteries in the passageway, is it possible to fit a small generator in the engine room and do I need one? ( If I have lithium batteries and solar arch, I figure I may only have to turn on the main engine once a day to help charge the batteries with the lithium batteries holding enough power to run aircon in aft cabin during the evening).

I understand purchasing a yacht I would most likely not make any money when it came time to sell, though in this case i would hope to break even especially if we went to the trouble of doing these modifications to the Santorin that future buyers would appreciate. The only thing bugging me is whether the total cost involved with such an enterprise would be mostly recovered or I am throwing good money after bad and could perhaps be better off spending more to buy an SM with less headache.

Again thoughts and recommendations greatly appreciated.

Kindest regards 
Orion

Re: Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

 

Paul,

I have never done the job of removing the D3 elbow, but have removed various other brands and models; and all were straightforward, except, when replacing use a new gasket. I have removed the Onan elbow which is straightforward.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 4:31 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Bill,

 

I may be interested in both. I have a D3-110i-C and MDKBN 11kva, and will be in Grenada next couple of months. I should be able to check them both out in November when we haul out.

 

I have cleaned up the genset elbow before, have not looked at the Volvo. Is this straightforward to remove?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 27 October 2019 20:04
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

 

Teun,

 

Yes and maybe. 

 

It is probably going to be 4-6 weeks before HDI begins production of the D3 elbow. 

 

I asked them to consider the Onan. The 7.5 and 11kw Onans have the same elbow. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019, 1:51 PM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

 

Are these SS elbows the same for all VOLVO D3 110 – like I now have the “H” version of the D3?

 

Do they also make one for the ONAN generator model I have on board?

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

NOUMEA  NEW CALEDONIA

October 28, 2019 05:51:21

 

https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 08:23
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

 

Jeffery,

 

Great!

 

HDI will use it to make a mold, then make an investment cast stainless steel elbow for the D3. For those of you that don't know what we are discussing, many marine engines including Yanmar and Volvo have either a cast iron or welded stainless steel exhaust elbow. These almost always fail, and seem to fail at an inconvenient time. I had my Yanmar welded stainless steel elbow fail in Thailand. The Yanmar OEM part cost me Yanmar list price of $500 plus $500 duty. HDI sells an investment cast stainless steel elbow for less than $300.

 

HDI is a Preferred Vendor of Amel Yacht Owners School. Many Amel owners have added HDI exhaust elbows to their engines. I did. As far as I know, everyone is satisfied and all are very happy with the product and price. I assume that HDI will have the D3-110 part available in 4-6 weeks. The contact information I have is:

HDI Marine Ltd
www.hdimarine.net
Hailey Wilkerson, Director of Marketing


--

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

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On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 1:21 PM JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...> wrote:

I got it. I replied mine. I'll bring it back with me and send it to you monday

 

 

 

Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.

 

-------- Original message --------

From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>

Date: 10/26/19 2:12 PM (GMT-04:00)

Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

 

Yes

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 12:29 PM JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...> wrote:

Bill, are you looking for the exhaust elbow coming off the turbo?

 

 

 

Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.

 

-------- Original message --------

From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>

Date: 10/24/19 1:33 PM (GMT-04:00)

Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

 

If one of you has a Volvo D3-110 exhaust elbow, I could use it. 

 

As you probably know HDI Marine the manufacturer of Stainless Steel Investment Cast elbows is a Preferred Vendor of Yacht School

 

I just received an email from HDI asking if I could locate a D3-110 elbow for them to use to make a mold which will allow them to produce a Stainless Steel Investment Cast elbow for the D3-110. If you have an old one in any condition, it will work.

 

Let me know.

 

Bill


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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

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--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: D3-110 oil blow-by

 

Scott,

The Volvo spec for D3 minimum compression is 22 BAR. I believe I would have the compression checked. If any cylinder is significantly below 22 BAR, you likely have some blow-by. Also, locate and check the Turbo Boost Sensor (it varies in different models of the D3). If it gets soaked with oil, you will have RPM issues, and possibly more problems. If it has been soaked in oil, replace it.
--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

Mark Erdos
 

Orion,

 

I mean the upmost respect as I say this, I do not think the Santorin and adding upgrades is a good plan. You are looking to purchase an Amel and make significant investments and changes. Just the lithium upgrade along is going to cost US$15,000+, Aircon is another US$10,000+ etc (assuming you have an electrical system that can handle the load or you’ll have to make major changes).  Have you considered the cost of ownership while making these upgrades. They will all take considerable time. You will also need an electrician knowledgeable of Amel’s unique floating ground system (a very rare find). Why not buy the SM that already has this stuff. I think you can easily find a well kept Amel in this price range (maybe a tad more). Also keep in mind, in three years when you sell the SM, it will sell for more than the Santorin giving you your extra money back.

 

The best advice I received when purchasing Cream Puff was from Bill Rouse who told me not to change anything for a year. This was very sound advice that prove invaluable. We sailed the eastern USA for the first year of our cruising getting to know our Amel. Only then did we make a couple of changes. We added an arch and solar. We have tried to keep all systems on our vessel as close to the original design as possible. We learned very quickly about the level of detailed thought that went into the vessel design.

 

There is a very good string in this group regarding lithium upgrades. You will find it is not as easy as it sounds. You will also need to change alternators, battery chargers, regulators etc. These are major expensive components for a three year plan. Why not just install good quality batteries. Even if you change them all out midway, this is still 20% of the cost of the upgrade. A good set of Firefly batteries will last more than three years, again 1/3 the cost. I can see adding lithium for a ten year plan, but not a three.

 

I see you make no mention of a washer/dryer. Perhaps the most valuable piece of equipment on our boat is the washer/dryer. We have learned in our travels how doing laundry is a major pain. I can’t imagine cruising full-time without a washer/dryer. This sure has made life on anchor a lot more comfortable.

 

I think your idea of breaking even on upgrades you make to a vessel is a little myopic. All the upgrades will do is sell the vessel faster when it goes to market. You will never recoup monies spent on a boat. If you try, you’ll own the boat longer than planned.

 

My advice, either buy the Santorin and sail it as is. Or, buy the SM and sail it as is. The SM will offer more comforts and in my opinion is easier to sail.

 

This is just my 2¢, I’m sure others will disagree. But, I’d love to see their viewpoints also.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Orion Martin
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 8:18 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

 

Good evening everyone,

After many months of struggling between the Super Maramu and the Santorin, we have settled on the Santorin to do a circumnavigation. In the end the main reasons was cost and time. We considered the possibility that a circumnavigation would take three years, in which all likelyhood we would never use the boat again once we had finished. While the SM is the perfect boat for us (if there is such a thing in yachting), the expenses involved to get the boat up to scratch before we even set sail (let alone the cost of the boat) we found hard to justify for a three year trip. So our next option is the Santorin, in which we think we can modify the galley (to include washing machine and extra bench space), modify the portside seating, add air con to the aft cabin, possibly build a solar arch and install lithium batteries, plus standard antifouling paint/servicing/other minor modifications for under $300k AUD(including the purchase of the boat. Any thoughts on this scenario and its feasibility would be most appreciated.

Regarding the Santorin, I have a few burning questions that i haven't been able to source the information for. Does the Santorin have:
- Freezer under salon seating?
- Any aircon? ( and is there space to install aircon units in aft/forward cabins and salon?)
- Is the Santorin 12V or 24V, and what is the advantage of having 24V compared with 12V?
- If I install the lithium batteries in the passageway, is it possible to fit a small generator in the engine room and do I need one? ( If I have lithium batteries and solar arch, I figure I may only have to turn on the main engine once a day to help charge the batteries with the lithium batteries holding enough power to run aircon in aft cabin during the evening).

I understand purchasing a yacht I would most likely not make any money when it came time to sell, though in this case i would hope to break even especially if we went to the trouble of doing these modifications to the Santorin that future buyers would appreciate. The only thing bugging me is whether the total cost involved with such an enterprise would be mostly recovered or I am throwing good money after bad and could perhaps be better off spending more to buy an SM with less headache.

Again thoughts and recommendations greatly appreciated.

Kindest regards 
Orion

Re: D3-110 oil blow-by

Scott SV Tengah
 

Arno,

When I remove the oil filter, it seems the oil is coming from the hose that I'm pointing at in the photo. There is some oil on the intake vanes of the turbo, but I presume that's from oil being sucked into the turbo. I presume a leaky turbo oil seal would manifest itself as oil leaking from the turbo itself rather than oil accumulating upstream, with respect to airflow, of the turbo?

The buildup/leakage is definitely from the bottom of the air filter housing.

FYI I max out at around 2750-2800 rpm. 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: prop suddenly turning

Miles
 

Hi Mark,

 

Unfortunately it is not so simple.  The prop was just rebuilt by Autoprop before this trip.  I don’t know if it was turning before the rebuild.  It was not turning a few years back and I have not looked at the shaft when sailing since then.   Once in Martinique, I will ask Amel.  My concern is what to do before then.

 

Regards,

Miles

S/Y Ladybug, sm216 on route to Martinique

Re: D3-110 oil blow-by

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Scott,

A clogged crankcase breather is a very real cause and relatively easy to check. Having oil leaking out the air filter is a sure sign you will need to do something.
One question, did you check the turbo for oil leaking. Given the quality of the base D3 block, I have a hard time to believe the piston rings will be the problem unless the engine has had a very bad first life.
Leaking oil seals in turbo compressors are not uncommon.

Cheers,
Arno
SV Luna,
A54-121

Re: Tips for the passage from Chesapeake to St. Maarten?

Alan Grayson
 

Hi Scott, we will be leaving at roughly the same time. At this stage we are leaving direct from Annapolis on the morning of the 3rd. predict wind and windy seem to both agree ( at this stage ). I’m not as worried if the wind is from the NW as the stream is moving NE where we would be crossing. I would prefer more out of the west but as long as it is under 15kts I will be leaving even if its North, it is supposed to be pretty light( once again at this stage), it might make for a bit of a bumpy ride but not too bad. If the wind is higher I will wait for a better wind angle.

We plan on heading to Bermuda mainly because it is a great place to visit and is not that far out of the way. We have done the trip before and it is best to get your easting in early before you hit the southeast trades which means Bermuda is not far out of the way.

Regards

Alan Grayson

SM 406 Ora Pai

 

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 9:35:22 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tips for the passage from Chesapeake to St. Maarten?
 
Thanks Mike. It'd be great if we could time it to leave more or less around the same time. We'll probably stick around DC this weekend and may just do an overnighter to get to Norfolk on Sunday.

Since leaving with a NW from Norfolk is not advisable, how do you choose your weather window?

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

Charles Bell
 

Hello Orion,

I am currently performing a complete refit of an  82 Amel Mango whos scope is similar to what you have described (and is probably wider). (24kwh BattleBorn LiPO4 battery bank, 5x5KW inverters, and all new systems, full paint, new rig, etc...) The interior is ripped out and a Maramu-style interior is being built (tongue-in-cheek are calling it a "MangoMu"). We are even installing *GASP* holding tanks... :)

I have an expensive slide deck on the project and well as hundreds of pictures and videos I can share with you, just send me a PM. If there is wider interest I will figure out a more scalable way to share.

If you (or anyone else) are in the Annapolis area and would like to walk the project and see what is happening, please feel free to let me know.

Charles (& Hae)
SV Saturn
Mango #29

Re: Tips for the passage from Chesapeake to St. Maarten?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Thanks Mike. It'd be great if we could time it to leave more or less around the same time. We'll probably stick around DC this weekend and may just do an overnighter to get to Norfolk on Sunday.

Since leaving with a NW from Norfolk is not advisable, how do you choose your weather window?

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

D3-110 oil blow-by

Scott SV Tengah
 

Hi all,

My Volvo D3-110 is exhibiting what I think is blow by. Oil migrates up the return hose and slowly collects in the air filter. In the attached photo, I am pointing to the hose where oil migrates.

I have read some articles that indicate that blow by indicates worn rings (only 2250 hours!) but also might be due to a failed/clogged crankcase breather or just because the tolerances are loose when the engine is cold, so there's inevitably some blowby. 

It's not a lot of oil, perhaps a tablespoon per 100 hours or so, but it's annoying in that it starts leaking out of the air filter housing, across the hoses and down to the engine room floor.

Should I be worried?
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com