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Re: B&G Halcyon (GSC) Gyro-Stabilized Compass

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Yes Brent. For the reasons you enumerate the right place for the flux gate compass is low down and central as possible.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 01 November 2019 at 15:35 Brent Cameron <brentcameron61@...> wrote:

Bill, a fluxgate isn’t a proprietary Raymarine term.  It is a relatively simple device consisting of iron cores surrounded by primary and secondary copper windings.  It is used to determine the magnetic fields of the earth.  They need to be level against the horizon to work and the old ones are usually gimbal stabilized or mounted in some sort of dampening fluid like a compass or use may even use electronic dampening so that it doesn’t swing with the boat yawing, pitching and rolling.  Newer models are often combined with gyro compasses which use the principle of a top spinning maintaining its orientation in space despite the world turning around it.  The fluxgate provides a stable long term reference to the magnetic field while the gyro provides short term dynamic stability and allows dampening of any external forces on it.  The challenge is that this takes a fair bit of energy to keep that gyroscope spinning and of course advances occur.  Now even newer units combine all this by using 3-axis fluxgates with the horizon vector being determined by a line perpendicular to gravity all done inside a small chip in silicon.  Y ou likely have one in your pocket with your iPhone.   

Brent Cameron, Future Amel owner & Amel Owner's Registry Moderator


 


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Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


 


Re: B&G Halcyon (GSC) Gyro-Stabilized Compass

Brent Cameron
 

Bill, a fluxgate isn’t a proprietary Raymarine term.  It is a relatively simple device consisting of iron cores surrounded by primary and secondary copper windings.  It is used to determine the magnetic fields of the earth.  They need to be level against the horizon to work and the old ones are usually gimbal stabilized or mounted in some sort of dampening fluid like a compass or use may even use electronic dampening so that it doesn’t swing with the boat yawing, pitching and rolling.  Newer models are often combined with gyro compasses which use the principle of a top spinning maintaining its orientation in space despite the world turning around it.  The fluxgate provides a stable long term reference to the magnetic field while the gyro provides short term dynamic stability and allows dampening of any external forces on it.  The challenge is that this takes a fair bit of energy to keep that gyroscope spinning and of course advances occur.  Now even newer units combine all this by using 3-axis fluxgates with the horizon vector being determined by a line perpendicular to gravity all done inside a small chip in silicon.  You likely have one in your pocket with your iPhone.   

Brent Cameron, Future Amel owner & Amel Owner's Registry Moderator

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Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Prop antifouling

James Cromie
 

Has anyone tried simply rubbing marine grease on the prop every 2 - 3 months?  I have been told that this works well for periods up to about 3 months.  Haven’t tried it myself yet…

James
SV Soteria, preparing to sail Aruba to Cartagena

On Oct 31, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

I tried PropSpeed 3 separate times. (They certainly are proud of that stuff!)
I had the same results as you. Very unsatisfactory. I tried everything, and finally found a decent solution.
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I use the spray. About $35 US for a can.
I use the whole can on my underwater metal, usually 3 or 4 coats on the prop. I burnish the fully dried paint with a heavy duty scotch brite pad, to expose the zinc (not on the edges, but the flats of the blades).
In an entire season, not a single barnacle or growth of any kind on the prop. And the paint stayed adhered to my stainless prop. I don’t burnish the other underwater metals, and do have some growth on them, so the burnishing is important. I spray the prop once a year.


~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Oct 31, 2019, at 7:14 PM, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

Looking for advice- I'm doing a bottom job in 6 weeks. Last year I used Propspeed on my Autoprop and 6 months later there was no evidence of it.....the barnacles however were flourishing. While I enjoy diving I like it better without a scraper in my hand.  Given the cost of Propspeed, 6 months is unacceptable. Would love to know if there's something better out there.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM 2K 422
Bocas del Toro Panama


Re: A54 genoa furler tube grease

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Cheers

Danny

On 01 November 2019 at 12:14 Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:

 
Hi Danny,

Thanks, I’ll keep my hear out for bad noises from there. 

Best,

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Fakarava, French Polynesia 

On 15 Oct 2019, at 09:55, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

Hi Thomas, if amel used thecsame system as the sm the wire on the forestay is slathered with grease before it is inserted into the foil. This is to lubricate the wire/foil conection as the sail is rolled and unrolled. They used a high viscosity grease but in warmer areas it becomes a bit fluid and leaks out the bottom. Bit messy but not a big issue. Eventually it will need replenishing indicated by a scraping noise when you are furling. If you ever have the forestay off for any reason take the oportunity to grease the stay then.

Regards Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 16 October 2019 at 08:20 Sv Garulfo < svgarulfo@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Recently our genoa furler tube started to leak a bit of grease at the connection with the furler motor.

Does anyone know how it should be topped up and with what type of grease? Any more permanent fix?

Note that the furler motor was upgraded to a Reckmann by the former owner and that the tube is a black, 2-rail one, which I believe is not the original (ie the 3-rail grey ones I’ve seen on other 54s). I wouldn’t think it matters too much to the problem though. 

Many thanks!

Thomas 
GARULFO 
A54-122
Fakarava, French Polynesia 


 


 


Re: Prop antifouling

Matt Salatino
 

I tried PropSpeed 3 separate times. (They certainly are proud of that stuff!)
I had the same results as you. Very unsatisfactory. I tried everything, and finally found a decent solution.
image1.jpeg
I use the spray. About $35 US for a can.
I use the whole can on my underwater metal, usually 3 or 4 coats on the prop. I burnish the fully dried paint with a heavy duty scotch brite pad, to expose the zinc (not on the edges, but the flats of the blades).
In an entire season, not a single barnacle or growth of any kind on the prop. And the paint stayed adhered to my stainless prop. I don’t burnish the other underwater metals, and do have some growth on them, so the burnishing is important. I spray the prop once a year.


~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Oct 31, 2019, at 7:14 PM, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

Looking for advice- I'm doing a bottom job in 6 weeks. Last year I used Propspeed on my Autoprop and 6 months later there was no evidence of it.....the barnacles however were flourishing. While I enjoy diving I like it better without a scraper in my hand.  Given the cost of Propspeed, 6 months is unacceptable. Would love to know if there's something better out there.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM 2K 422
Bocas del Toro Panama


Re: Leroy Somer Spare parts

karkauai
 

I had some made by 3D printing in nylon that seem to be holding up.  Contact Ronan at Pro 3D Printing Services +1 (410) 831-5891

They were $150 each with the cost of design work.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
karkauai@...
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Oct 30, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:

He paul ,
We ordert new gaerboxes in Italy and install one new .
It was not expencive
Only the leroy somer motor you ca order it only by amel
It was not possoble to order the motor  by leroy somer

When you intrested i will lock tomorow for some fotos and mre details

Best
Elja
SM Balu 222

Von meinem iPhone gesendet




Re: A54 genoa furler tube grease

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi Danny,

Thanks, I’ll keep my hear out for bad noises from there. 

Best,

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Fakarava, French Polynesia 

On 15 Oct 2019, at 09:55, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Thomas, if amel used thecsame system as the sm the wire on the forestay is slathered with grease before it is inserted into the foil. This is to lubricate the wire/foil conection as the sail is rolled and unrolled. They used a high viscosity grease but in warmer areas it becomes a bit fluid and leaks out the bottom. Bit messy but not a big issue. Eventually it will need replenishing indicated by a scraping noise when you are furling. If you ever have the forestay off for any reason take the oportunity to grease the stay then.

Regards Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 16 October 2019 at 08:20 Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Recently our genoa furler tube started to leak a bit of grease at the connection with the furler motor.

Does anyone know how it should be topped up and with what type of grease? Any more permanent fix?

Note that the furler motor was upgraded to a Reckmann by the former owner and that the tube is a black, 2-rail one, which I believe is not the original (ie the 3-rail grey ones I’ve seen on other 54s). I wouldn’t think it matters too much to the problem though. 

Many thanks!

Thomas 
GARULFO 
A54-122
Fakarava, French Polynesia 


Prop antifouling

Thomas Kleman
 

Looking for advice- I'm doing a bottom job in 6 weeks. Last year I used Propspeed on my Autoprop and 6 months later there was no evidence of it.....the barnacles however were flourishing. While I enjoy diving I like it better without a scraper in my hand.  Given the cost of Propspeed, 6 months is unacceptable. Would love to know if there's something better out there.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM 2K 422
Bocas del Toro Panama


Re: B&G Halcyon (GSC) Gyro-Stabilized Compass

 

Oliver,

Early 54s had Raymarine autopilots and a fluxgate compass. The fluxgate was located on the port side near the forward port side corner of the dining table sectional seating.

Later 54s had Furuno AutoPilots and had a Furuno electronic compass located on the Starboard side just forward of the saloon water tight bulkhead. The strange thing that I discovered is that B&G will not read the HDG of a Raymarine Fluxgate Compass from the NMEA OUT on the Raymarine processor, but the B&G will read HDG from the NMEA OUT of the Furuno compass. I have always believed that "fluxgate" is a Raymarine Trademark for an electronic compass.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 12:47 PM Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:
Hi Wolfgang,

I think I got also only the fluxgate from Raymarine. I will look for it in the forward cabin. 

I could not find any other compass or wires for it when I remouved the hydra system 2 weeks ago. It was no more working and we replaced it by a NMEA2000 system. New windvane and tridata sounder with sonic speed integrated.

Maybe I need to add a faster Nmea 2k compass if the fluxgate updates slow. For now I did not reasise any delay

Regards Oliver
A54#39 
Vela Nautica 
Gibraltar 

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 11:09 Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Oliver,
In the moment I am not on the boat, but I think I only have the compass which belongs to the Furuno Autopilot, which is in the Bb Forwardcabin in the bilge. My boat is now in Fort Lauderdale and will be shipped to Gibraltar (hopefully) the next week. So I should be there end of November.
All the best to the group   Wolfgang SY Elise Amel 54 #162






Re: Main furling "clutch"

Paul Osterberg
 

Elja thank you is this Lery Somer or bogi something’s? But still I need to dismantle the “clutch nob” was it difficult to modify the gear box?
Paul


Re: Main furler

Paul Osterberg
 

Mark 
interesting, I thought I had a bearing puller, I bought one on Amazon but It miss one part. I have to see if I can find the missing part else might be possible to manufacture. Obviously one do like in your picture.
Paul


Re: Main furling "clutch"

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

He Paul

This is the new one , you needn a little modifikation .



The old one



And both you can estimate see the work you have to do



Feel free to come bac any tome
Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: Main furler

Mark McGovern
 

Paul,

I used a bearing puller:






--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: B&G Halcyon (GSC) Gyro-Stabilized Compass

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hi Wolfgang,

I think I got also only the fluxgate from Raymarine. I will look for it in the forward cabin. 

I could not find any other compass or wires for it when I remouved the hydra system 2 weeks ago. It was no more working and we replaced it by a NMEA2000 system. New windvane and tridata sounder with sonic speed integrated.

Maybe I need to add a faster Nmea 2k compass if the fluxgate updates slow. For now I did not reasise any delay

Regards Oliver
A54#39 
Vela Nautica 
Gibraltar 

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 11:09 Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Oliver,
In the moment I am not on the boat, but I think I only have the compass which belongs to the Furuno Autopilot, which is in the Bb Forwardcabin in the bilge. My boat is now in Fort Lauderdale and will be shipped to Gibraltar (hopefully) the next week. So I should be there end of November.
All the best to the group   Wolfgang SY Elise Amel 54 #162






Main furling "clutch"

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!
I have problem getting the Outer shaft out of the main furler gearbox, the inner is rock solid as well, in worst case I have to have a new shaft made, but at least I need to get the aluminium "clutch" nob off se picture. The gear wheel is locked with a spring washer that is not accessible, so I cant get the gear off. The clutch nob is not passing the hole in the lid, Any idea?
Paul on SY Kerpa AM#259


Main furler

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello! have dismantle the main furling gear to service with new seals and bearings and now I wonder how to get the bearing of the main shaft, se picture, Is it possible to take of the bearing without of the gear wheel? 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: B&G Halcyon (GSC) Gyro-Stabilized Compass

Wolfgang Weber <webercardio@...>
 

Hello Oliver,
In the moment I am not on the boat, but I think I only have the compass which belongs to the Furuno Autopilot, which is in the Bb Forwardcabin in the bilge. My boat is now in Fort Lauderdale and will be shipped to Gibraltar (hopefully) the next week. So I should be there end of November.
All the best to the group   Wolfgang SY Elise Amel 54 #162






Re: B&G Halcyon (GSC) Gyro-Stabilized Compass

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hello Wolfgang,

Where is the fluxgate hidden in A54? 
 Is there also a B&G halcyon?

Oliver 
A54#39 
Vela Nautica 
Gibraltar 


On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 22:42 Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill,
I think a compass is also necessery.  The part is only the interface. 
Thank you very much Wolfgang SY Elise Amel 54 #162





Re: Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hello Marc,

I fully agree with you. 

I would give the same advice. Better buy a SM or A54 that comes with all the planed gear in place. 

We did the same, did not change anything, until we owned Vela Nautica a year. Exept I feeled like need to change some lines and regretted later because not all was reasonable. We learned that some gear (the usual suspects) needed urgent refit because maintenace was neglected by the old owner.

I would also agree, adding lithium is only something that will pay in a longer run than 3 years. Only it offers compfort with short gen times and less noise. But is a major project and took us 4 month until all was in place and working and tested as expected. Before we could do long range trips with a peacefull mind.

So long
Oliver 
A54#39 
Vela Nautica 
Gibraltar 

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 15:15 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Orion,

 

I mean the upmost respect as I say this, I do not think the Santorin and adding upgrades is a good plan. You are looking to purchase an Amel and make significant investments and changes. Just the lithium upgrade along is going to cost US$15,000+, Aircon is another US$10,000+ etc (assuming you have an electrical system that can handle the load or you’ll have to make major changes).  Have you considered the cost of ownership while making these upgrades. They will all take considerable time. You will also need an electrician knowledgeable of Amel’s unique floating ground system (a very rare find). Why not buy the SM that already has this stuff. I think you can easily find a well kept Amel in this price range (maybe a tad more). Also keep in mind, in three years when you sell the SM, it will sell for more than the Santorin giving you your extra money back.

 

The best advice I received when purchasing Cream Puff was from Bill Rouse who told me not to change anything for a year. This was very sound advice that prove invaluable. We sailed the eastern USA for the first year of our cruising getting to know our Amel. Only then did we make a couple of changes. We added an arch and solar. We have tried to keep all systems on our vessel as close to the original design as possible. We learned very quickly about the level of detailed thought that went into the vessel design.

 

There is a very good string in this group regarding lithium upgrades. You will find it is not as easy as it sounds. You will also need to change alternators, battery chargers, regulators etc. These are major expensive components for a three year plan. Why not just install good quality batteries. Even if you change them all out midway, this is still 20% of the cost of the upgrade. A good set of Firefly batteries will last more than three years, again 1/3 the cost. I can see adding lithium for a ten year plan, but not a three.

 

I see you make no mention of a washer/dryer. Perhaps the most valuable piece of equipment on our boat is the washer/dryer. We have learned in our travels how doing laundry is a major pain. I can’t imagine cruising full-time without a washer/dryer. This sure has made life on anchor a lot more comfortable.

 

I think your idea of breaking even on upgrades you make to a vessel is a little myopic. All the upgrades will do is sell the vessel faster when it goes to market. You will never recoup monies spent on a boat. If you try, you’ll own the boat longer than planned.

 

My advice, either buy the Santorin and sail it as is. Or, buy the SM and sail it as is. The SM will offer more comforts and in my opinion is easier to sail.

 

This is just my 2¢, I’m sure others will disagree. But, I’d love to see their viewpoints also.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Orion Martin
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 8:18 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

 

Good evening everyone,

After many months of struggling between the Super Maramu and the Santorin, we have settled on the Santorin to do a circumnavigation. In the end the main reasons was cost and time. We considered the possibility that a circumnavigation would take three years, in which all likelyhood we would never use the boat again once we had finished. While the SM is the perfect boat for us (if there is such a thing in yachting), the expenses involved to get the boat up to scratch before we even set sail (let alone the cost of the boat) we found hard to justify for a three year trip. So our next option is the Santorin, in which we think we can modify the galley (to include washing machine and extra bench space), modify the portside seating, add air con to the aft cabin, possibly build a solar arch and install lithium batteries, plus standard antifouling paint/servicing/other minor modifications for under $300k AUD(including the purchase of the boat. Any thoughts on this scenario and its feasibility would be most appreciated.

Regarding the Santorin, I have a few burning questions that i haven't been able to source the information for. Does the Santorin have:
- Freezer under salon seating?
- Any aircon? ( and is there space to install aircon units in aft/forward cabins and salon?)
- Is the Santorin 12V or 24V, and what is the advantage of having 24V compared with 12V?
- If I install the lithium batteries in the passageway, is it possible to fit a small generator in the engine room and do I need one? ( If I have lithium batteries and solar arch, I figure I may only have to turn on the main engine once a day to help charge the batteries with the lithium batteries holding enough power to run aircon in aft cabin during the evening).

I understand purchasing a yacht I would most likely not make any money when it came time to sell, though in this case i would hope to break even especially if we went to the trouble of doing these modifications to the Santorin that future buyers would appreciate. The only thing bugging me is whether the total cost involved with such an enterprise would be mostly recovered or I am throwing good money after bad and could perhaps be better off spending more to buy an SM with less headache.

Again thoughts and recommendations greatly appreciated.

Kindest regards 
Orion


Re: Maramu - Goiot Y-Track Mizzen Car Repair

Randall Walker
 

Jeremy,
Very nice. This is what we need, good clear pictures of what you did. I save all the how to articles. Nikimat was also one of my favorites for doing it this way.
Many new to us AMEL owners will rely on these contributions.
Simply put just telling me what you did, would for most people be. blah blah blah. So thank you.

Randall
Amel 54 #56

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