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Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

karkauai
 

Thank you for doing this leg work Bill.

My steering functions, feels, and sounds fine.  Kristy is 19 years old and we are embarking on a planned Caribbean, S Pacific and Mediterranean cruise in a few weeks.
If you were in my shoes, would you order these spares now?  Would you carry them with you?

Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243

On Nov 13, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Bill,

Just to clarify, Ultraflex is committing to make one last batch of cables ONLY?  What about the rack and pinion gears?  From reading posts on steering failures on this forum it seems that the racks are prone to failure - even if their failure is preceded, and potentially caused by, cable failures. 

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

 

Mark,

I believe that the US distributor probably misstated what Ultraflex is doing, but since I am not speaking directly to Ultraflex, I cannot know for sure. Since Thierry BILLARD, manager of SAV at Amel is in discussions with Ultraflex, I feel it is improper for me to get directly involved. The answer to your question will come from an owner ordering the racks from Amel. I am sure we will know more soon.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:13 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
Bill,

Just to clarify, Ultraflex is committing to make one last batch of cables ONLY?  What about the rack and pinion gears?  From reading posts on steering failures on this forum it seems that the racks are prone to failure - even if their failure is preceded, and potentially caused by, cable failures. 

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: 3-D printing of furler motor parts

karkauai
 

Hi Tom,
I had new mounting discs made from 3/4” delrin by a machinist.  They were about $125 US each plus material.  I had to buy a 1 ft square of 3/4” delrin.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Nov 13, 2019, at 2:02 PM, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

My old furler motor (original) called it quits. While It will be rebuilt, tested, and become a spare, my spare furling motor (bought from Amel years ago) is slightly different in that the old motor's upper jacket which holds the white vinyl motor cover is slightly too big. It doesnt fit snugly on the new motor, which came without one. I measured what I need and have given the task to Ronan (Kent's 3-D printing vendor). We will see how this goes. Price was quoted as about $25 so why not ?

I'm also interested in making the upper and lower gear box mounting discs (that hold it in the mast).

I will supply pics in the event of success or remain completely silent if this ends up being a fools errand. 

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM 2K 422

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

Mark McGovern
 

Bill,

Just to clarify, Ultraflex is committing to make one last batch of cables ONLY?  What about the rack and pinion gears?  From reading posts on steering failures on this forum it seems that the racks are prone to failure - even if their failure is preceded, and potentially caused by, cable failures. 

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

3-D printing of furler motor parts

Thomas Kleman
 

My old furler motor (original) called it quits. While It will be rebuilt, tested, and become a spare, my spare furling motor (bought from Amel years ago) is slightly different in that the old motor's upper jacket which holds the white vinyl motor cover is slightly too big. It doesnt fit snugly on the new motor, which came without one. I measured what I need and have given the task to Ronan (Kent's 3-D printing vendor). We will see how this goes. Price was quoted as about $25 so why not ?

I'm also interested in making the upper and lower gear box mounting discs (that hold it in the mast).

I will supply pics in the event of success or remain completely silent if this ends up being a fools errand. 

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM 2K 422

Sailing US to Europe 2020

Wolfgang Weber
 

Hello to the group,
I crossed the atlantic via Cape Verde to Martinique this year, sailed up to Boston and now to Fort Lauderdale.
I plan to sail back to europe in April 2020. If an Amel owner would like to join me - please write PM to webercardio at gmail dot com.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 Fort Lauderdale

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Thanks Bill for your service

Best Elja

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Re: Keel bolt cover

 

That bolt stabilizes the C-Drive from torque. Below is a snip from my Amel Book, showing the bolt and its rubber bushing. It should be sealed with a flexible removable sealer. Black silicone RTV is one such material. If the aft part of the C-Drive can be moved to either side by 10mm, or more, the C-Drive Foot Rubber Bushing needs to be replaced. The rubber bushing replacement part is a piece of heavy duty 1” or 25mm hose. Recommendation is side to side movement of 5mm or less. The replacement procedure is fairly straight forward, generally easy, and in my Amel Book.

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--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 10:50 AM Mark Pitt <mark_pitt@...> wrote:
There is a keel bolt near the C drive that is covered in a thick black rubber sealant.  The sealant does not appear to be silicone based.  I have a tear in that black rubber cover, revealing the head of the bolt.  What product should be used to re-seal this bolt?  There are a number of “liquid rubber” products on the market.

 
Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, SM419

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

 

All SN, SM & 54 owners:

If you recall, one owner attempted to order steering rack and/or cable parts from Amel and was told the parts were no longer available. As soon as I read this, I got in touch with Amel, who told me Ultraflex, the Italian rack and cable manufacturer, abruptly and without notice stopped production of these parts. I asked Amel for some help and they said that they were working on a solution. I continued to follow-up with Uflex, the US distributor for Ultraflex, Italy. I asked Uflex USA to get involved with Ultraflex and push them for a solution. I promised all of you that I would post any results here.

The following is from Uflex USA. If you need/want replacement steering rack or cable parts, you should probably order them now from SAV"at"Amel.fr. It seems as though the steering rack normally lasts 20+ years. Cables usually last longer. Without replacement parts you will be forced to install a major steering change.
Email message to me from Uflex USA:
Ultraflex, Italy is in contact with Chantier Amel in France, apparently they will be able to supply them a last batch of cables. 
Uflex USA, Inc.

6442 Parkland Drive

Sarasota, FL 34243

www.uflexusa.com

--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Keel bolt cover

Mark Pitt
 

There is a keel bolt near the C drive that is covered in a thick black rubber sealant.  The sealant does not appear to be silicone based.  I have a tear in that black rubber cover, revealing the head of the bolt.  What product should be used to re-seal this bolt?  There are a number of “liquid rubber” products on the market.

 
Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, SM419

Re: Lens-shaped bolt nuts

John Clark
 

Excellent, Thank you Gerhard.  I too have several places in which these nuts are utilized....and have zero spares.

John
SV Annie SM 37
Brunswick GA

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 5:46 AM Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
I don't know if Amel has used these lens-shaped bolt nuts for their other or later boats but I have them found at several places in my Sharki.
After searching for a long time I have found them at this seller and they sell them in small quantities also: See attachment.

--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: Down wind pole corrosion damage

John Clark
 

Hi Thomas,
   Good catch!    I noticed Annie's short poles collect water inside.   I have toyed with the idea of drilling a small drain hole to let it drain.     Letting them stand upright in the sun for a week or so drains them but I can't always do that.  (Admittedly sometimes just lazy and leave them out...)
         John
SV Annie SM 37
Brunswick GA

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 11:54 AM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:
A small crack emerged from under the black cover on the inner down wind pole. I drilled out the cover's retaining rivets and saw the full damage. Visiting the local welder to discuss options. Glad I found this prior to February's Panama City to Marquesas passage. 

Tom and Kirstin 
SM2K 422
SV L'ORIENT

Re: Yanmar 4jh3-hte overheat

John Clark
 

Hi Duane,
  I had a similar experience right after I purchased Anne,  first indication of issue with the impeller was as you said a different sound. We had no overheat alarms just a much more pronounced exhaust sound.   This was with the TMD-22.     Lesson for all is to listen to your vessel...she will tell you is something isn't right.
                                
                            John
SV Annie SM 37
Brunswick GA

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 8:58 AM Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io <carlylelk=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
We had an overheat condition on our engine (Yanmar 4JH3-HTE) and the alarm light or buzzer did not sound.  I checked the parts manual and the temperature sensor is a 100 oC sensor.  I noticed the gauge was over 80 but close to 100 oC and quickly anchored and shut down the engine.  

My concern is that the gauge read close to 100 oC and now I'm concerned about the sensor.  The lights and buzzer on the panel test ok.  Is there a way to test the sensor?

Just for background, the boat had been hauled out in Grenada for three months.  When we put the boat back in the water the engine sounded not quite normal and so I was watching the gauges closely.  It turned out that the impeller had shed all of the vanes!  I had checked the water in the exhaust when we first started up and it appeared normal so the impeller must have died after that.  Luckily the vanes were all in the hose between the water pump to the turbocharger cooler.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Re: Yanmar 4jh3-hte overheat

Mark Erdos
 

Duane,

 

I am a little confused (normal for me). Is the engine fixed? Did you resolve the overheat issue or are you still experiencing hot temperatures at higher RPMs?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:59 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Yanmar 4jh3-hte overheat

 

We had an overheat condition on our engine (Yanmar 4JH3-HTE) and the alarm light or buzzer did not sound.  I checked the parts manual and the temperature sensor is a 100 oC sensor.  I noticed the gauge was over 80 but close to 100 oC and quickly anchored and shut down the engine.  

My concern is that the gauge read close to 100 oC and now I'm concerned about the sensor.  The lights and buzzer on the panel test ok.  Is there a way to test the sensor?

Just for background, the boat had been hauled out in Grenada for three months.  When we put the boat back in the water the engine sounded not quite normal and so I was watching the gauges closely.  It turned out that the impeller had shed all of the vanes!  I had checked the water in the exhaust when we first started up and it appeared normal so the impeller must have died after that.  Luckily the vanes were all in the hose between the water pump to the turbocharger cooler.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Re: Deck Repairs to Amel Mango

Charles Bell
 

Hello Ian,

We are resurfacing the decks of Mango #29 right now.

We sanded off the loose "molded-teak" and have sealed with a 2-part high-build sealant. Then we will top with some sort of a surface treatment / non-slip. 

The contractor we are using has done several boats with the same technique. 

I will dig up more information about the steps and materials we are using. Feel free to reach out to me if I don't get back to you quickly enough.


Charles

Re: Lens-shaped bolt nuts

Porter McRoberts
 

They’re used securing hatch lids on the A54. 
Porter
A54-152


Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 
Www.fouribis.com

On Nov 13, 2019, at 4:28 AM, Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote:


These are used in a few places on our Super Maramu, most notably on the cockpit table.  Amel replaced one for us in Martinique and I'm pretty sure they just called it a "special nut".  Google translates that name as "lentil nut", which is a very apt description.  Thanks for the source!

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 8:09 AM James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Gerhard,

   These same nuts are used all over my Maramu, many thanks for posting a source.  I will add this to my file.

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Nov 12, 2019, at 6:46 AM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

I don't know if Amel has used these lens-shaped bolt nuts for their other or later boats but I have them found at several places in my Sharki.
After searching for a long time I have found them at this seller and they sell them in small quantities also: See attachment.

--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece <Linsenmutter-VS8453.PDF>

Re: Wave slap / banging under the stern

Matt Salatino
 

Hahahahahahaha!

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Nov 12, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote:

When Kelly and I first got out SM, we were bothered by this sound, too.  I think I even noted it during the sea trial.  I remember it keeping us up the first night we stayed on the boat.  But shortly thereafter, it went away, and I don't think it was simply that we got used to it -- a few times I've remembered it and listened for it, and I just don't hear it anymore.  My best guess is that when the boat was really empty, it was sitting higher in the water and had lots of space for the sound to reverberate in.  We've now got it loaded up with so much crap it sits lower in the stern.  The aft locker and space beneath the aft berth are jammed with stuff.  I bet that does a lot to dampen the sound.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA



On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:11 PM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Matt;

 

We’re not on board. Will look through photos to see if I have one to post.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Salatino via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 8:48 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Wave slap / banging under the stern

 

Mohammed, photos?

~~~⛵️~~~Matt


On Nov 11, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hello Stefan;

 

After the first season aboard Kokomo about 5 years ago, we started looking for a solution for the “banging” you refer to. After a few iterations of trying different solutions, we came up with our final solution that we affectionately refer to as the “slap slap device”.

 

It basically consists of two layers of mesh fabric (the same material cargo straps are made of), strengthened by 1 inch mesh straps sewed in both directions every 18 inches. The two layers are then sewed together forming several pockets that we have inserted 2 mm waterproof foam for floatation and sound insulation. This is custom made to fit the entire stern from the trailing edge of the rudder to the back of the transom and all the way to the sides about 12 inches above the water line. It has several long straps for attachment to the lifelines/stanchions.

 

We simply deploy from the stern and slip it under the stern from the sides. We just attach four of the straps to the lifelines (just at the forward/rudder end) and let the rest happily float and move up and down with the water movement, under the stern. This provides an insulated barrier between the water line and the hull, where the hull rises out of the water at the stern and the sound originates from.

 

It takes one person about 5 minutes to deploy and retrieve. We simply fold and hang on the life lines, after retrieval, to dry.

 

This will handle almost all conditions that we typically anchor in, where the boat is facing the wind and waves. It does not do as well when larger waves are coming from the stern, but does help to dampen the sound (this is not a common condition). We also deploy her at marinas/harbors where small wavelets are present. As soon as deployed, it transforms the master cabin from a drum machine, into a quiet place to rest and relax. It is on extremely rare occasions that we have to move to the forward cabin due to sound.

 

We have now utilized our slap slap device for 5 seasons in the Med. It has been used in all conditions from 2-3 knot currents to 35-40 knot winds. She is almost like new and should last for a few more years. It has made a huge difference for us, as the master cabin was one of the major selling points of the 54 and we could not imagine, not being to utilize it.

 

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stefan Schaufert via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 5:48 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Wave slap / banging under the stern

 

Hello to all,

today a less technical issue.
Do somebody got a (temporarily) solution against the banging (and often really annyoing) waves under the stern/ owners bed of the AMEL 53/ 54/ 55 - when on anchor?

Best regards
Stefan
A54 119 Lady Charlyette - Porto Santo

Re: Wave slap / banging under the stern

Ryan Meador
 

When Kelly and I first got out SM, we were bothered by this sound, too.  I think I even noted it during the sea trial.  I remember it keeping us up the first night we stayed on the boat.  But shortly thereafter, it went away, and I don't think it was simply that we got used to it -- a few times I've remembered it and listened for it, and I just don't hear it anymore.  My best guess is that when the boat was really empty, it was sitting higher in the water and had lots of space for the sound to reverberate in.  We've now got it loaded up with so much crap it sits lower in the stern.  The aft locker and space beneath the aft berth are jammed with stuff.  I bet that does a lot to dampen the sound.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA



On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:11 PM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Matt;

 

We’re not on board. Will look through photos to see if I have one to post.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Salatino via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 8:48 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Wave slap / banging under the stern

 

Mohammed, photos?

~~~⛵️~~~Matt


On Nov 11, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hello Stefan;

 

After the first season aboard Kokomo about 5 years ago, we started looking for a solution for the “banging” you refer to. After a few iterations of trying different solutions, we came up with our final solution that we affectionately refer to as the “slap slap device”.

 

It basically consists of two layers of mesh fabric (the same material cargo straps are made of), strengthened by 1 inch mesh straps sewed in both directions every 18 inches. The two layers are then sewed together forming several pockets that we have inserted 2 mm waterproof foam for floatation and sound insulation. This is custom made to fit the entire stern from the trailing edge of the rudder to the back of the transom and all the way to the sides about 12 inches above the water line. It has several long straps for attachment to the lifelines/stanchions.

 

We simply deploy from the stern and slip it under the stern from the sides. We just attach four of the straps to the lifelines (just at the forward/rudder end) and let the rest happily float and move up and down with the water movement, under the stern. This provides an insulated barrier between the water line and the hull, where the hull rises out of the water at the stern and the sound originates from.

 

It takes one person about 5 minutes to deploy and retrieve. We simply fold and hang on the life lines, after retrieval, to dry.

 

This will handle almost all conditions that we typically anchor in, where the boat is facing the wind and waves. It does not do as well when larger waves are coming from the stern, but does help to dampen the sound (this is not a common condition). We also deploy her at marinas/harbors where small wavelets are present. As soon as deployed, it transforms the master cabin from a drum machine, into a quiet place to rest and relax. It is on extremely rare occasions that we have to move to the forward cabin due to sound.

 

We have now utilized our slap slap device for 5 seasons in the Med. It has been used in all conditions from 2-3 knot currents to 35-40 knot winds. She is almost like new and should last for a few more years. It has made a huge difference for us, as the master cabin was one of the major selling points of the 54 and we could not imagine, not being to utilize it.

 

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stefan Schaufert via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 5:48 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Wave slap / banging under the stern

 

Hello to all,

today a less technical issue.
Do somebody got a (temporarily) solution against the banging (and often really annyoing) waves under the stern/ owners bed of the AMEL 53/ 54/ 55 - when on anchor?

Best regards
Stefan
A54 119 Lady Charlyette - Porto Santo

Re: Lens-shaped bolt nuts

Ryan Meador
 

These are used in a few places on our Super Maramu, most notably on the cockpit table.  Amel replaced one for us in Martinique and I'm pretty sure they just called it a "special nut".  Google translates that name as "lentil nut", which is a very apt description.  Thanks for the source!

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 8:09 AM James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Gerhard,

   These same nuts are used all over my Maramu, many thanks for posting a source.  I will add this to my file.

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Nov 12, 2019, at 6:46 AM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

I don't know if Amel has used these lens-shaped bolt nuts for their other or later boats but I have them found at several places in my Sharki.
After searching for a long time I have found them at this seller and they sell them in small quantities also: See attachment.

--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece <Linsenmutter-VS8453.PDF>

Regalvanizing Old Anchors!

mr_hermanns
 
Edited

I just dropped off all my anchors at a industrial galvanizing shop.

Also included the emergency Tiller attachment that was stored below for 30yrs!

Will post results next week!
--
Jeremy Hermanns - "Jer"
SVCerulean.com
Maramu #105
Marina Del Rey, CA