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John & Ruth Martin <jjmartin24@...>
 

Hello All

Has anyone with an SM connected their toilets to the ship's fresh water supply ? I have studied the plumbing and it seems it would be easy. I would cut the salt water intake hose for the toilets and insert a valve. Then I would cut the fresh water hose (before it goes to the pump) and place a valve there with a hose teed to the salt water intake. I would then cut off the salt water and open the fresh water. This would make the toilets smell fresher and be less corrosive to the toilet components than salt water. If berthed at a marina with abundant fresh water, it seems like this would be a good idea, especially if in a dirty harbor. When going cruising, I could easily convert back to the salt water flush. I would welcome any comments.

Also, in reading up on the SM, I've found a little known problem regarding the proper lifting points (when using straps, not hooking to the lifting eyes) for the boat. It appears that the proper place for the aft lifting straps is exactly where the aft lifting eye is located; but the proper place for the forward lifting strap is aligned with the hatch of the forward head, not aligned with the forward lifting eye. If you position the forward strap at the forward eye, you can easily damage the speedo unit, which is aligned with the forward eye. Some SM owners have mysteriously developed leaks around their speedos and this may be the reason.

Lastly, a pointer I just discovered using naval jelly. I've had amazing results using naval jelly to clean up stainless and chrome items like fishing reels, diving equipment, turnbuckles, etc. I apply the naval jelly, scrub with a toothbrush, let sit for 10 minutes, and the pieces turn out like brand new !

Happy New Year to all,

John Martin
SM #248 "Moon Dog"




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 3 topics

jboucharla@...
 

Fresh water to toilet bowl

If you want to do that you should remember that on a live ship the fresh
water system is constantly pressurised and therefore fresh water will be
continuously seeping into your toilet bowl and draining your fresh water
tank. To avoid that you need a solenoid valve switched on by the red toilet
flush button to open the fresh water line when you do flush and keep it
closed otherwise. Also you should be careful about the possibility of your
toilet bowl water backing into your fresh water tank with all attendant
problems.....

To avoid such problems you would have to run a fresh water pipe direct from
the tank to the toilet flush sea water hull intake (before the flush sea
water pump) and Tee it there. This involves more pipe runs in awkward places
but would be the safest way of doing it, both avoiding the constant pressure
problem and the potential water flow back from the bowl.

I had discussed this issue with Amel for my boat when ordering her but they
did not want to do it then. They'll come to it some day.

Good luck,

Jean Boucharlat
SM 212 "Satchimi"


12 V Battery on Alma Libre

Dimitris <dkra@pcsystems.gr> <dkra@...>
 

For your information and in case you have similar problem :
The Onan technician changed the AVR printed circuit board on the
geneset and promised that the leak problem has been solved.
Everything was free of charge as it was under warranty. I hope that
everything is ok now.

Regards
Dimitris Krassopoulos
SM Alma Libre


Re: Sharki engine mounts

amelmango <chiefnelson@hotmail.com> <chiefnelson@...>
 

"Sugar"
JY. Selo is the head of Amel After-sales Department.
Phone: +33(0)546 55 17 31
Fax: +33(0)546 45 43 03
Email: amel@amel.fr

What you are after is:
Jeu de silentblocs caoutchoucs moteur 4108

Best regards,
-Adam


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 12 V Battery problem on Alma Libre

Krassopoulos Dimitris <dkra@...>
 

Hi,

Thanks for the feedback. It seems that the problem is in the generator
circuit. The Onan representative promised to replace a printed circuit that
might solve the problem. I will let you know when I have the problem solved.
However I believe that the 12 V design needs an improvement and the first I
will install is a system to monitor the 12 V battery condition before trying
to start the engine without sucess near a lee shore.

Best Regards

Dimitris Krassopoulos
S/Y Alma Libre

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Shepherd [mailto:g4ljf@compuserve.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 12:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 12 V Battery problem on Alma Libre


Hi,

You really must have a problem with the 12V circuit. I have left Crusader
for a month without any problem starting either the main engine or
generator. I would suggest that you start the gen set first as the starting
load is less than the main engine, and it's 12V alternator will put
something back into the 12V battery. You might want to disconnect the
positive lead of the 12V battery and put your test meter in series with it
and the positive post to see if there is any current being drawn when both
engines are off. As far as I am aware, all the 12V circuitry is supplied via
the DC/DC converters that are fed from the 24V bank, so I believe that there
should be no drain at all off the 12V battery.

I have often left the boat for 2 week periods also without any problem,
though admittedly in warm climates. Maybe if you are leaving Alma Libre in a
very cold environment, you might have a potential starting problem due to
the oil thickening in the engine, but I would guess it would have to be
mighty cold for that to happen.

Good Luck

Ian Shepherd

SM299







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Re: Sharki engine mounts

milnchris <no_reply@...>
 

Thanks Adam,
Appreciate the advice. Perhaps you have contact details of who in
Amel we should ask as we did send Amel an email with on response.
Thanks for the help.
Regards
Chris & Millie

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "amelmango
<chiefnelson@h...>" <chiefnelson@h...> wrote:
"Sugar"
Not sure about your Sharki, but on my Mango Amel with a Perkins
4-
236, Amel made the engine mounts in-house. They are very good
mounts
and when it was time to replace the rubber isolation pieces Amel
had
them in stock. Not only that, but they were 1/4 of the price of
new
Perkins mounts even if you find them in some size that would fit.
Replacing the rubber was straightforward once I had the mounts on
the
bench, so contact Amel and I'd bet they'll be able to help you out.
Best Regards,
-Adam


12volt problem

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@compuserve.com> <hollamby@...>
 

If the battry goes flat so quickly then there must be problem with
some component of the main engine or genset.If it were me I would
call in a diesel mechanic.
We have left our SM319 Bali Hai for months unattended and the
batteries have all been fine on our return.
Let us know the final solution please.


Re: 12 V Battery problem on Alma Libre

kimberlite1212 <no_reply@...>
 

There is a switch under the nav station on kimberlite that must be
turned off when i leave her. this switch runs the memory on the
stereo, electronic barometer, and other things on the boat. it is
separately fused and bypasses the main battery switch. If you have
this setup, this might be the problem.
eric




--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Shepherd" <g4ljf@c...>
wrote:
Hi,

You really must have a problem with the 12V circuit. I have left
Crusader for a month without any problem starting either the main
engine or generator. I would suggest that you start the gen set
first as the starting load is less than the main engine, and it's
12V alternator will put something back into the 12V battery. You
might want to disconnect the positive lead of the 12V battery and
put your test meter in series with it and the positive post to see
if there is any current being drawn when both engines are off. As
far as I am aware, all the 12V circuitry is supplied via the DC/DC
converters that are fed from the 24V bank, so I believe that there
should be no drain at all off the 12V battery.

I have often left the boat for 2 week periods also without any
problem, though admittedly in warm climates. Maybe if you are
leaving Alma Libre in a very cold environment, you might have a
potential starting problem due to the oil thickening in the engine,
but I would guess it would have to be mighty cold for that to happen.

Good Luck

Ian Shepherd

SM299




Re: Sharki engine mounts

amelmango <chiefnelson@hotmail.com> <chiefnelson@...>
 

"Sugar"
Not sure about your Sharki, but on my Mango Amel with a Perkins 4-
236, Amel made the engine mounts in-house. They are very good mounts
and when it was time to replace the rubber isolation pieces Amel had
them in stock. Not only that, but they were 1/4 of the price of new
Perkins mounts even if you find them in some size that would fit.
Replacing the rubber was straightforward once I had the mounts on the
bench, so contact Amel and I'd bet they'll be able to help you out.
Best Regards,
-Adam


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 12 V Battery problem on Alma Libre

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi,

You really must have a problem with the 12V circuit. I have left Crusader for a month without any problem starting either the main engine or generator. I would suggest that you start the gen set first as the starting load is less than the main engine, and it's 12V alternator will put something back into the 12V battery. You might want to disconnect the positive lead of the 12V battery and put your test meter in series with it and the positive post to see if there is any current being drawn when both engines are off. As far as I am aware, all the 12V circuitry is supplied via the DC/DC converters that are fed from the 24V bank, so I believe that there should be no drain at all off the 12V battery.

I have often left the boat for 2 week periods also without any problem, though admittedly in warm climates. Maybe if you are leaving Alma Libre in a very cold environment, you might have a potential starting problem due to the oil thickening in the engine, but I would guess it would have to be mighty cold for that to happen.

Good Luck

Ian Shepherd

SM299


Sharki engine mounts

milnchris <no_reply@...>
 

We have a 1980 Sharki with a Perkins 4108 and the rubber in the back
engine mounts has deteriorated. Does anyboody know whether these are
a Perkins part or do they come from Amel. If so who do we contact in
Amel to replace these and any other Amel parts? Can we replace just
the rubber or does the whole part need replacing?

Thanks.
Chris & Millie
Yacht "Sugar"
Sharki No 24


12 V Battery problem on Alma Libre

Dimitris <dkra@pcsystems.gr> <dkra@...>
 

I had the same problem with the 12 V engine starting battery
early August. I have followed the Amel instructions and I have
replaced the battery ( which was paid by Amel) as it was discharged
after a few days of not using the boat. After the replacement of
the battery everything was operating ok. The last two week-ends I
have not started the motor and this week-end I faced again the same
problem. The 12 V Battery was discharged and I had to start the
engine by following the bridging of the last 24 V battery with 12 V
battery . By doing this the motor and generator started without
problem. After the first time of the problem I have wired a special
dual switch system to do the bridging without opening the battery
box. So in an emergency you can operate the system very easily but
anyway I do not like to use this.

It seems that there is a leak in the circuit. Can anybody advise how
to solve the problem as it is very annoying if you try to start the
engine after sailing and you find out that the 12 V battery is out
of current when you have the 24 V fully charged. Please advise if
somebody had similar problem or I am the only owner with this
problem.
I really can not imagine that the electrical system is so bad
designed without a backup for the 12 V battery.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator spare parts

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi Vito,

take a few pump impellors, anodes and I would also recommend a spare 10 ohm ballast resistor that is in the fuel solenoid valve circuit. It is located inside the control box and mine broke twice due to vibration. You can fix it by chipping away the ceramic body then resoldering, but it is as well to have a spare in case that does not work.

Best Wishes

Ian Shepherd SM 299

----- Original Message -----
From: asm283
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:44 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator spare parts


Hi
I am seeking recomendations for a spare parts inventory for the Onan
Gen set. What has broken down and what parts that you did not have
that you wished you did.

Thank you

Vito Ciaravino
ASM 283 Wanderer


Genoa for sale

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

I have a 3 year old OEM 150% sail for a Super maramu that I would
like to sell. The sail is in very good shape and has plenty of life
left in it.

Price $1100.00

Contact me VCMS@aol.com

Thank you


Generator spare parts

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi
I am seeking recomendations for a spare parts inventory for the Onan
Gen set. What has broken down and what parts that you did not have
that you wished you did.

Thank you

Vito Ciaravino
ASM 283 Wanderer


Re: Polar Diagram for Super Maramu

Zanareva
 

Thanks. I've sent an email to USSAILING.ORG (formerly USYRU) to see
if they have a 'Performance Package' on the Super Maramu. They have
quite an extensive database of yachts with this performance data
computed but I couldn't find any Amels on their list. Their standard
non-member fee is $200 but I don't know if that requires an actual
hull to measure, etc.
Richard

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, galacsea2000 <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
A couple of years ago I asked La Rochelle if they would share the
polar diagram. They said they did not have any.
As a user of MaxSea (Navigation Software developped
by "Informatique
& Mer", I then turned to Informatique & Mer who also said they did
not have it. I too would be very interested in the diagram.

Any computer wizard/descent helmsman out there in Amel Land able to
plug a PC to the B & G and read/update in real time the boat & wind
speeds and wind angle?


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "closereach
<closereach@y...>" <closereach@y...> wrote:
Has anyone seen, or had developed, polar diagrams for the Super
Maramu? I'd be interested in seeing them, if you have them and
can
share them. I believe there's commerical software that there
that
will produce these diagrams that'll predict how fast the boat
will/should go given wind speed and wind angle.
Thanks
Richard
SM #5 Spice


B&G and PC

petervweston <no_reply@...>
 

Any computer wizard/descent helmsman out there in Amel Land able to
plug a PC to the B & G and read/update in real time the boat & wind
speeds and wind angle?
I am neither a computer whiz nor a decent helmsman but here is a
solution to your problem.

Purchase "The Capn" Navigation Software and the appropriate electronic
charts for your area. Look at the B&G manual and find the 2 wires for
the ground and data. Connect these to a 9 pin female plug that will
attach to your serial port. The wires connect to pins 2 and 5. If
you buy "The Capn" from Steve Bowden at SeaTech Systems
(1-800-444-2581) he will help you with the set up. If your GPS data
goes to the B&G then that will also be available to "The Capn".

This set up allows you not only to see the boat at all timeson the
electronis chart but also to see the digital data of the lat longs,
wind angle, wind speed, speed, SOG, COG, depth and time from the GPS.

However, if you also wish to be able to see the compass heading that
will be more difficult. On SM 248 Amel installed an Autohelm fluxgate
compass. If you wish to get that data you will have to get a Noland
Multiplexer from Blue Water in Florida and feed into it the NMEA
output from the B&G and the NMEA output from the Autohelm CPU. The
multiplexer outputs a RS232 signal which can be attached to the 9 pin
female plug as above.

I hope that this helps

Peter (former owner of SM 248)


Re: Polar Diagram for Super Maramu

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

A couple of years ago I asked La Rochelle if they would share the
polar diagram. They said they did not have any.
As a user of MaxSea (Navigation Software developped by "Informatique
& Mer", I then turned to Informatique & Mer who also said they did
not have it. I too would be very interested in the diagram.

Any computer wizard/descent helmsman out there in Amel Land able to
plug a PC to the B & G and read/update in real time the boat & wind
speeds and wind angle?


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "closereach
<closereach@y...>" <closereach@y...> wrote:
Has anyone seen, or had developed, polar diagrams for the Super
Maramu? I'd be interested in seeing them, if you have them and can
share them. I believe there's commerical software that there that
will produce these diagrams that'll predict how fast the boat
will/should go given wind speed and wind angle.
Thanks
Richard
SM #5 Spice


Panama,Costa Rica,Ecuador, Peru

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

We have SM 302, Pen Azen.we are spending this winter in the
Caribbean with a view to transiting Panama in May or so and then
leaving the boat in a secure dock either afloat or ,preferably,
ashore for June to October in one of the above countries.Has anyone
any experience of leaving their Amel in any of these locations?The
humidity of Panama and Costa Rica rather puts us off. Las Salinas in
Ecuador or Ancon in Peru sound more our sort of places but I would be
interested to hear of anyone elses experience .Ian Jenkins


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Dimensions Please

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi Paddy,

thank you so much for the dimensions. I take it that you meant Cms not Mms! I did not know that you had taken delivery yet. Where are you now?

Happy New Year to you and all Amel Owners

Ian
>
> dear Ian,the dimensions are 50mm wide 40mm deep and 30 mm high ie
from floor to under side of bottom step. i can get a russel hobbs
4461 in the space, however i stow one of those small black and decker
workmates in that space, AMEL made up a length of stainless rod to
pass through the steps to secure it in place. best wishes paddy >
>