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Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

Bob Ross
 

Thank you All for this discussion. Bill as always thank you for your tireless support of the Amel owners community. As a new owner I do not want to think what it would be like without this Group and her members. And as Bill knows I have a lot of questions and clearly some are beginner questions.

We only know the age of our SM2K #362 (2002) but not her miles prior to us. Steering seems fine and we check, adjust, tighten and lubricate as suggested.

First question:
Regarding the new supply of steering cables and racks potentially coming available sometime in December. (great news)
Thinking of getting a complete spare of cables and racks.
Good idea? I'm not a fan of getting the spare when it fails, would rather have the spare secured aboard.  But then again you cannot have an entire spare SM2K on the boat. So some balance must be found. Is it: Critical? Likely to fail? Cost? Age? Heavy/light use? Harsh/gentle environment? Easy/difficult to get?

Second question:
To facilitate a smooth cooperative ordering process with Amel can anyone compile a list of part numbers and descriptions for the system so we can make a concise order with Amel? Apologies if I have missed this information in this thread or a previous thread. Could ask SAV but no doubt they are all pretty busy to be asked to look up all the part numbers, etc. Maybe someone that has ordered the system the past can share?

Kind Regards,
Bob
Nomad SM2K #362 Trinidad

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

ngtnewington Newington
 

Bill,

I have no doubt that you offer a great service to the anglophile Amel owners in particular. You have always been respectful to the Amel brand, indeed supportive.  I am sure that Amel appreciate that, but inevitably on occasion there may be a few tensions and a few toes that get trod upon. This is normal and to be expected and requires diplomacy on all sides. I know that you are sensitive and sensible in this regard. Keep up the good work.
 
 I hope that the spare parts department at Amel is a profit centre and  believe that it is in everyones interest to keep it going. There must be a couple of thousand Amels out there!

All the best

Nick
S/Y Amelia AML 54-019

On 14 Nov 2019, at 14:57, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

I posted SM 16 Tamango 2 worn rack photo. This was 29 years old and 50,000 miles. You can see the rack is completely worn out.


--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 7:27 AM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have a photo of Hanspeter's old steering rack which I will post for him in Photos. His was 29 years old and about 50,000 miles. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 8:54 PM hanspeter baettig <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Yes this is HP from Tamango 2
I got the chance to order the last piece of Steering material, racks and pinion from SAV. I told that to Bill and SAV will look for new mybe new sources. But; my steereing last for about 50000 nm and 29 years. I did not so much sailing because I was in the med for 20 Years.
the installation took me about 2 hours at Trinidad, with the help of Marc; Dynamic Mec. Chagarumas, Port of Spain
------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Mittwoch, 13. Nov, 2019 um 20:22, CW Bill Rouse schrieb:

Mark,

I believe that the US distributor probably misstated what Ultraflex is doing, but since I am not speaking directly to Ultraflex, I cannot know for sure. Since Thierry BILLARD, manager of SAV at Amel is in discussions with Ultraflex, I feel it is improper for me to get directly involved. The answer to your question will come from an owner ordering the racks from Amel. I am sure we will know more soon.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:13 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
Bill,

Just to clarify, Ultraflex is committing to make one last batch of cables ONLY?  What about the rack and pinion gears?  From reading posts on steering failures on this forum it seems that the racks are prone to failure - even if their failure is preceded, and potentially caused by, cable failures. 

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA





Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

Antonio, Vagabundo SN108
 



Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 15 nov 2019, alle ore 23:10, James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie@...> ha scritto:


No worries!  No anxiety here!  You are consistently a source of abundant knowledge and you  help to stimulate very useful questions and discussion.  There's no problem with that.  

James

On Nov 15, 2019 12:35, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
To review what I previously wrote: I received an email from Uflex USA, the Ultraflex distributor in the US. Email message to me from Uflex USAUltraflex, Italy is in contact with Chantier Amel in France, apparently they will be able to supply them a last batch of cables. When one SM owner noticed that the email from Uflex stated only "cables" and not racks, 3 days ago I wrote: "I believe that the US distributor probably misstated what Ultraflex is doing, but since I am not speaking directly to Ultraflex, Italy, I cannot know for sure. Since apparently Thierry BILLARD, manager of SAV at Amel, is in discussions with Ultraflex, I feel it is improper for me to get directly involved. The answer to your question will come from an owner ordering the racks from Amel. I am sure we will know more soon."

Yesterday Thierry Billard SAV Manager emailed me and said: "We suddenly face with numerous emails and phone calls asking for info or order on pinion and rack of the steering system. We suspect you to have posted an anxiolitic message on the social network about a risk of shortage.  Does it  right ? For your review we are about to receive mid of Décember the first units  of the internal toothed bar that must solve almost all this wear issues .The only obligation will be to dismount the pinion rack case to replace this worn toothed bar. Although your help is greatly appreciatly among the Amel community we request you from now to submit us for pre approval any new further message of this sort or to consult us if more info is needed."

Of course it is not my intention to cause "panic" as Maud wrote. My only intention is to help any of you find the information that you need. But, in my attempt to help several of you, I have irritated two good people at Amel. Possibly they think that I am causing "panic" because they are on the receiving side of the solution to this steering parts issue. I will assure you that all I did is what I challenge myself every day to do...that is is help each of you enjoy your Amel while you own her. I have the utmost respect for Thierry and Maud who always do an amazing job helping owners of Amels.

I CC'd Thierry Billard of this email. He will be able to read this so that there is no misunderstanding. 
--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   



Re: Lashing the helm on a Super Maramu

rossirossix4
 

Hi Mike and Hannah,
Don't know if this is helpful, but the photos in this link show what Amel provided on some SMs (it is on the original invoice for our SM 429). I am away from our boat re: dimensions, etc.--maybe someone else has one.   Don't know if Maud has these but would be an easy bolt on,  Amel reversed the leather on the device for gripping and it is very tight and tenacious and may prevent the travel that could add to teeth wear.  You can see the design and construction is classic "Amelian" Click on image for larger view  https://www.dropbox.com/sc/jag81gnnw41e8o5/AABXwWbF5T2N5l52d9lQt5GRa

BTW we were at a fuel dock in Italy, stern to stern with a good sized power boat.  Guy departed, evidently at near full throttle and violently slammed our (hearty) rudder to the stop--add that to the never ending procedure list we boaters have!

Cheers, Bob and Suzanne KAIMI

Re: Windshield and Port Window Update

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Actually that's not paint.  Joel Potter posted years ago that it is gel coat in the same color as the dodger. Likely the Captain had a better idea than paint!
Cheers, Craig

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

James Cromie
 

No worries!  No anxiety here!  You are consistently a source of abundant knowledge and you  help to stimulate very useful questions and discussion.  There's no problem with that.  

James

On Nov 15, 2019 12:35, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
To review what I previously wrote: I received an email from Uflex USA, the Ultraflex distributor in the US. Email message to me from Uflex USAUltraflex, Italy is in contact with Chantier Amel in France, apparently they will be able to supply them a last batch of cables. When one SM owner noticed that the email from Uflex stated only "cables" and not racks, 3 days ago I wrote: "I believe that the US distributor probably misstated what Ultraflex is doing, but since I am not speaking directly to Ultraflex, Italy, I cannot know for sure. Since apparently Thierry BILLARD, manager of SAV at Amel, is in discussions with Ultraflex, I feel it is improper for me to get directly involved. The answer to your question will come from an owner ordering the racks from Amel. I am sure we will know more soon."

Yesterday Thierry Billard SAV Manager emailed me and said: "We suddenly face with numerous emails and phone calls asking for info or order on pinion and rack of the steering system. We suspect you to have posted an anxiolitic message on the social network about a risk of shortage.  Does it  right ? For your review we are about to receive mid of Décember the first units  of the internal toothed bar that must solve almost all this wear issues .The only obligation will be to dismount the pinion rack case to replace this worn toothed bar. Although your help is greatly appreciatly among the Amel community we request you from now to submit us for pre approval any new further message of this sort or to consult us if more info is needed."

Of course it is not my intention to cause "panic" as Maud wrote. My only intention is to help any of you find the information that you need. But, in my attempt to help several of you, I have irritated two good people at Amel. Possibly they think that I am causing "panic" because they are on the receiving side of the solution to this steering parts issue. I will assure you that all I did is what I challenge myself every day to do...that is is help each of you enjoy your Amel while you own her. I have the utmost respect for Thierry and Maud who always do an amazing job helping owners of Amels.

I CC'd Thierry Billard of this email. He will be able to read this so that there is no misunderstanding. 
--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   



Re: Windshield and Port Window Update

 

You will see part of the original white (about 1.25 inch  or 32mm wide) painted perimeter on the old plexiglass. This is important to paint on the new plexiglass if you want a neat and good looking installation.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 2:31 PM mr_hermanns <jeremy@...> wrote:
Hi All!

I just took part 1 of all her glass to get copied on a CNC at a local industrial plastic supply shop. Also dismantled one portlight apart and getting new lenses (polycarbonate) made and set of spares (3 new, 3 spares). Then attacking the hatches and salon windows tomorrow...

If anyone needs a new windshield / port or hatch glass and wants me to get additional pieces cut lmk - getting it done in Gardena, CA for wholesale prices.

Here is the windshield removed and galley porthole.

-Jer

--
Jeremy Hermanns - "Jer"
SVCerulean.com
Maramu #105
Marina Del Rey, CA

Windshield and Port Window Update

mr_hermanns
 

Hi All!

I just took part 1 of all her glass to get copied on a CNC at a local industrial plastic supply shop. Also dismantled one portlight apart and getting new lenses (polycarbonate) made and set of spares (3 new, 3 spares). Then attacking the hatches and salon windows tomorrow...

If anyone needs a new windshield / port or hatch glass and wants me to get additional pieces cut lmk - getting it done in Gardena, CA for wholesale prices.

Here is the windshield removed and galley porthole.

-Jer

--
Jeremy Hermanns - "Jer"
SVCerulean.com
Maramu #105
Marina Del Rey, CA

Re: Contract done..boat bought

mr_hermanns
 

Congrats Volker!!! Welcome to the Amel Family ;)
--
Jeremy Hermanns - "Jer"
SVCerulean.com
Maramu #105
Marina Del Rey, CA

Lashing the helm on a Super Maramu

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Hi everyone,

Our 1990 SM23 seems to have no obvious way of securing the helm. I'm curious what others do to lock or lash the helm in a given position - for heaving-to, lying at anchor, sailing to windward, etc.

My options at the moment are securing to the fresh water filler, using the autopilot, or installing some other hardware to do the job. Is it possible the boat wasn't designed with the intention of ever locking the helm? Has anyone else had this issue on their Amel and come up with a good solution?

Thanks,
Mike & Hannah
SV Trilogy, SM23
Tonga

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

Mark McGovern
 

Bill,

No good deed goes unpunished, indeed!  Thanks for continuing to look out for us.  I hope this misunderstanding with Thierry and Maud at Amel is cleared up and that this does not deter you from continuing your efforts.

Mark

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

Davi Rozgonyi
 

I just spoke to Maud and she had the same info: it's been blown out of proportion, nobody panic, they're gonna get a new supplier soon. 

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

 

To review what I previously wrote: I received an email from Uflex USA, the Ultraflex distributor in the US. Email message to me from Uflex USAUltraflex, Italy is in contact with Chantier Amel in France, apparently they will be able to supply them a last batch of cables. When one SM owner noticed that the email from Uflex stated only "cables" and not racks, 3 days ago I wrote: "I believe that the US distributor probably misstated what Ultraflex is doing, but since I am not speaking directly to Ultraflex, Italy, I cannot know for sure. Since apparently Thierry BILLARD, manager of SAV at Amel, is in discussions with Ultraflex, I feel it is improper for me to get directly involved. The answer to your question will come from an owner ordering the racks from Amel. I am sure we will know more soon."

Yesterday Thierry Billard SAV Manager emailed me and said: "We suddenly face with numerous emails and phone calls asking for info or order on pinion and rack of the steering system. We suspect you to have posted an anxiolitic message on the social network about a risk of shortage.  Does it  right ? For your review we are about to receive mid of Décember the first units  of the internal toothed bar that must solve almost all this wear issues .The only obligation will be to dismount the pinion rack case to replace this worn toothed bar. Although your help is greatly appreciatly among the Amel community we request you from now to submit us for pre approval any new further message of this sort or to consult us if more info is needed."

Of course it is not my intention to cause "panic" as Maud wrote. My only intention is to help any of you find the information that you need. But, in my attempt to help several of you, I have irritated two good people at Amel. Possibly they think that I am causing "panic" because they are on the receiving side of the solution to this steering parts issue. I will assure you that all I did is what I challenge myself every day to do...that is is help each of you enjoy your Amel while you own her. I have the utmost respect for Thierry and Maud who always do an amazing job helping owners of Amels.

I CC'd Thierry Billard of this email. He will be able to read this so that there is no misunderstanding. 
--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

Antonio, Vagabundo SN108
 

Hi Bill,
Absolutly !!! I have to call monday.
This is the amel answer to the mail I sent this morning:

Good afternoon, 

You are correct when you say that the steering rack has been discontinued by ULTRAFLEX. However we think that the message that has been posted is incomplete and has created a situation of panic among the AMEL community. 

For your reference we are currently working with a  local company to have the inner teeth bar made. We should come up with a final solution by the end of this year. 
The only obligation will be to dismount the pinion rack case to replace this worn toothed bar. I can tell you more about the technical specs and price once I receive the replacement part.

I hope I have given you a better appreciation of the situation.

Maud TOUILLET

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 15 nov 2019, alle ore 14:33, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> ha scritto:


Anto,

I am sure there are owners who would like know your solution that you worked out with the technician. 

Please describe.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 3:07 AM Antonio, Vagabundo SN108 <vagabundo@...> wrote:
Hi guys,
I follow with great interested this discussion about ultraflex. 
I am in Rome and my boat is two hour to ultraflex headquarter, I call today ultraflex and I have the personal phone of his tecnician to find a common solution. My Santorin is 24 Years old and I Was thinking to change the sistem just last year.
Br
Antonio 
Vagabundo SN108
In Tuscany 

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 14 nov 2019, alle ore 15:58, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> ha scritto:


I posted SM 16 Tamango 2 worn rack photo. This was 29 years old and 50,000 miles. You can see the rack is completely worn out.


--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 7:27 AM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have a photo of Hanspeter's old steering rack which I will post for him in Photos. His was 29 years old and about 50,000 miles. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 8:54 PM hanspeter baettig <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Yes this is HP from Tamango 2
I got the chance to order the last piece of Steering material, racks and pinion from SAV. I told that to Bill and SAV will look for new mybe new sources. But; my steereing last for about 50000 nm and 29 years. I did not so much sailing because I was in the med for 20 Years.
the installation took me about 2 hours at Trinidad, with the help of Marc; Dynamic Mec. Chagarumas, Port of Spain
------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Mittwoch, 13. Nov, 2019 um 20:22, CW Bill Rouse schrieb:

Mark,

I believe that the US distributor probably misstated what Ultraflex is doing, but since I am not speaking directly to Ultraflex, I cannot know for sure. Since Thierry BILLARD, manager of SAV at Amel is in discussions with Ultraflex, I feel it is improper for me to get directly involved. The answer to your question will come from an owner ordering the racks from Amel. I am sure we will know more soon.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:13 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
Bill,

Just to clarify, Ultraflex is committing to make one last batch of cables ONLY?  What about the rack and pinion gears?  From reading posts on steering failures on this forum it seems that the racks are prone to failure - even if their failure is preceded, and potentially caused by, cable failures. 

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: Heaving-to experiences/advice, and Jordan series drogue use

karkauai
 

Hi Aldo,
I have hove-to several times, usually waiting for light to sail into an unfamiliar port.  Typically, I use whatever sails I have up for the current conditions.  The worst conditions were hove -to for 48 hours waiting for a storm to pass in 35-40 kt winds with gusts to 50, and 8-12 ft seas.  I had a handkerchief of jib and 1/3 of the mizzen out.  With the mizzen traveler amidships, we sailed slowly forward and out of the windward “slick”.  I brought the traveler upwind and we drifted slowly directly downwind, staying in the upwind “slick” which kept all but one small wave from breaking on the side of the boat in 48 hours.  The motion was comfortable and we were able to cook a hot meal.

I also own a drogue, but haven’t had need to deploy it.  We are still working on getting the bridle and other issues worked out that we’re brought up by Eric.

Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243

On Nov 15, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Aldo Roldan via Groups.Io <aroldan1796@...> wrote:


Hi Amelians

I ignore if the subject matter has been discussed before, but I would love to hear from the many of you that have heaved to your Amels.  Some of the questions that come to mind ( am sure there is many more I have not thought of) are when do you do it, in what kind of sea state? what wind ranges?  What sales do you deploy, how much sail out. Do the mizzen play any role ?  At what point it becomes ineffective and you need to run with the storm?  When heaving to, do you still get some waves rolling into the cockpit?  Also I would really appreciate to hear from some of the Amel 55s our there that have experience on the subject. 

On the Jordan series drogue use, I have some of Eric’s discussion on his epic experience, but I wonder whether  anybody else has use them.  I would appreciate hearing from those boats as well.

Many thanks, you all

Aldo
Araucaria
Amel 55



On Thu,
--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...

Re: Contract done..boat bought

karkauai
 

Congratulations on your new baby, Volker.  She will bring you much joy and adventure in a safe and comfortable way.

Please post any questions here.  It is helpful to everyone as many Amel models have similar systems.  It will be helpful if you post different topics in different emails under different descriptive headings.  That way a search will likely easily find that thread in the future.

There are no dumb questions.  We’ve all been new to our boats and gotten great help from others here.  We are happy to help how ever we can.

Fair winds to you and all Amelians.


Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243

On Nov 14, 2019, at 8:20 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Congratulations!

You should post your comments and questions to main@amelyachtowners.groups.io

You should sign with your name and Santorin hull number. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 6:57 AM Volker Hasenauer <volker.hasenauer@...> wrote:
Hi Bill,

about a week ago I joint your group and from today onwards I can be named a proud Amel owner. Contract signed, money send.....so all should be fine.

I bought a Amel Santorin, Sloop from 1990. She is currently in Miri, Sarawak - Malaysia. I live in Langkawi/Malaysia which is about +/- 1,200 NM away from Miri. I will pick up my new "baby" in January and give her a good overhaul before she should bring me to nice places in this world.

I saw so far many email within the group, however I am honest that I have not 100% understood if I can filter them and if I can post a question by myself.

I have certain questions, however to not want to load the entire group with all my issues.

Is there a way I can contact only a certain group of Amel owners - Santorin owners - or would my email posted to all within the group?

Greetings from Langkawi, Volker




Heaving-to experiences/advice, and Jordan series drogue use

Aldo Roldan
 

Hi Amelians

I ignore if the subject matter has been discussed before, but I would love to hear from the many of you that have heaved to your Amels.  Some of the questions that come to mind ( am sure there is many more I have not thought of) are when do you do it, in what kind of sea state? what wind ranges?  What sales do you deploy, how much sail out. Do the mizzen play any role ?  At what point it becomes ineffective and you need to run with the storm?  When heaving to, do you still get some waves rolling into the cockpit?  Also I would really appreciate to hear from some of the Amel 55s our there that have experience on the subject. 

On the Jordan series drogue use, I have some of Eric’s discussion on his epic experience, but I wonder whether  anybody else has use them.  I would appreciate hearing from those boats as well.

Many thanks, you all

Aldo
Araucaria
Amel 55



On Thu,
--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...

Re: Amel rudder ultraflex

 

Antonio 

To contact Amel SAV, email SAV"at"Amel.fr

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 7:30 AM Antonio Scipioni <antonioscipioni@...> wrote:
Dear Amel,
I read about the problem occoursed to a ultraflex sistem on an Amel Super Maramu and Just last year I was interested to change my cables and rack. My sistem works fine but it is 24 Years old and I like to sail safety.
IF you can supply a new One I am interested to have a quote, this morning I asked to an ultraflex tecnician and He have to support me into One day. My boat is lyed in Tuscany, about Two hours from ultraflex headquarter and if necessary I am available for a ispection to find a common solution for all amel owners family.
Br
Antonio Scipioni
Santorin Vagabundo Number 108



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Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

 

Antonio,

I am sure there are owners who would like know your solution that you worked out with the technician. 

Please describe.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 3:07 AM Antonio, Vagabundo SN108 <vagabundo@...> wrote:
Hi guys,
I follow with great interested this discussion about ultraflex. 
I am in Rome and my boat is two hour to ultraflex headquarter, I call today ultraflex and I have the personal phone of his tecnician to find a common solution. My Santorin is 24 Years old and I Was thinking to change the sistem just last year.
Br
Antonio 
Vagabundo SN108
In Tuscany 

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 14 nov 2019, alle ore 15:58, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> ha scritto:


I posted SM 16 Tamango 2 worn rack photo. This was 29 years old and 50,000 miles. You can see the rack is completely worn out.


--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 7:27 AM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have a photo of Hanspeter's old steering rack which I will post for him in Photos. His was 29 years old and about 50,000 miles. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 8:54 PM hanspeter baettig <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Yes this is HP from Tamango 2
I got the chance to order the last piece of Steering material, racks and pinion from SAV. I told that to Bill and SAV will look for new mybe new sources. But; my steereing last for about 50000 nm and 29 years. I did not so much sailing because I was in the med for 20 Years.
the installation took me about 2 hours at Trinidad, with the help of Marc; Dynamic Mec. Chagarumas, Port of Spain
------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Mittwoch, 13. Nov, 2019 um 20:22, CW Bill Rouse schrieb:

Mark,

I believe that the US distributor probably misstated what Ultraflex is doing, but since I am not speaking directly to Ultraflex, I cannot know for sure. Since Thierry BILLARD, manager of SAV at Amel is in discussions with Ultraflex, I feel it is improper for me to get directly involved. The answer to your question will come from an owner ordering the racks from Amel. I am sure we will know more soon.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:13 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
Bill,

Just to clarify, Ultraflex is committing to make one last batch of cables ONLY?  What about the rack and pinion gears?  From reading posts on steering failures on this forum it seems that the racks are prone to failure - even if their failure is preceded, and potentially caused by, cable failures. 

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Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Amel rudder ultraflex

Antonio Scipioni <antonioscipioni@...>
 

Dear Amel,
I read about the problem occoursed to a ultraflex sistem on an Amel Super Maramu and Just last year I was interested to change my cables and rack. My sistem works fine but it is 24 Years old and I like to sail safety.
IF you can supply a new One I am interested to have a quote, this morning I asked to an ultraflex tecnician and He have to support me into One day. My boat is lyed in Tuscany, about Two hours from ultraflex headquarter and if necessary I am available for a ispection to find a common solution for all amel owners family.
Br
Antonio Scipioni
Santorin Vagabundo Number 108



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