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Re: Mast painting Amel Super Maramu

Jarek Zemlo
 

Pat,

many thanks
Regards
Jarek
--
Jarek Zemlo


Re: Martinique- Good store for 12v batteries?

 

Caraibes Marine. 
Ask for Julien 
julien@...

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 11:46 AM Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io <carlylelk=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Our 12v wet cell batteries need to be replaced, any suggestions on a store in Martinique?

We have found Hankook brand, anyone have experience with them?

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Martinique- Good store for 12v batteries?

Duane Siegfri
 

Our 12v wet cell batteries need to be replaced, any suggestions on a store in Martinique?

We have found Hankook brand, anyone have experience with them?

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: SM- Yanmar Ignition module?

Dan Carlson
 

Thanks Bill, 

I found the spare and from which I could figure out the wiring. I just couldn't see the markings on the installed relay on the engine to figure it out.

Thanks and regards, 
Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387, Shelter Bay Marina

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 10:59 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@... wrote:
Dan this is a relay that is closed on one side by the Yanmar ignition when the key is turned on (2 wires 12 volt). This 12 volt side closes upon ignition and also closes the other side of the relay switching a positive 24 volt "excite" circuit for the alternator. With this info and the stamped info on the relay should help you determine which wire goes where. BTW, you have a spare relay. 

Also, the 24 alternator will self-excite at about 1800-2000 rpm, and once self-excited will stay excited.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 9:24 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Hi SM-Yanmar owners: I changed the fuel filter recently and knocked loose the red (24v) wire that goes from the 24v alternator positive post into the small module that is attached to the engine between the fuel filter and the engine stop solenoid (?).  The white ignition wire to the alternator also comes from this module.  It has five spade connectors and only four are used. It looks like it came off of the rear most spade. Also, if it contacts the open center spade the red alternator warning light on the 24 volt panel comes on.  

Can anyone confirm which spade this red wire should be attached to? And for my learning; it would be great to know a bit more about how this module functions.  I'm guessing or vaguely recalling that it uses some other signal like oil pressure to switch on the the ignition signal to the alternator?

Thanks and regards, 
Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387, at Shelter Bay Marina


Re: SM- Yanmar Ignition module?

 

Dan this is a relay that is closed on one side by the Yanmar ignition when the key is turned on (2 wires 12 volt). This 12 volt side closes upon ignition and also closes the other side of the relay switching a positive 24 volt "excite" circuit for the alternator. With this info and the stamped info on the relay should help you determine which wire goes where. BTW, you have a spare relay. 

Also, the 24 alternator will self-excite at about 1800-2000 rpm, and once self-excited will stay excited.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 9:24 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Hi SM-Yanmar owners: I changed the fuel filter recently and knocked loose the red (24v) wire that goes from the 24v alternator positive post into the small module that is attached to the engine between the fuel filter and the engine stop solenoid (?).  The white ignition wire to the alternator also comes from this module.  It has five spade connectors and only four are used. It looks like it came off of the rear most spade. Also, if it contacts the open center spade the red alternator warning light on the 24 volt panel comes on.  

Can anyone confirm which spade this red wire should be attached to? And for my learning; it would be great to know a bit more about how this module functions.  I'm guessing or vaguely recalling that it uses some other signal like oil pressure to switch on the the ignition signal to the alternator?

Thanks and regards, 
Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387, at Shelter Bay Marina


suction mount iPad holder

Donato Valente
 

hi amelians
can you tell me if an iPad suction mount holder works on the instruments floor material ?
many thanks

Donato 
sm2000 Ocean Bird #468


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Re: Super Maramu vs. Super Maramu 2000

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Staten,

Some time ago, various Amel owners contributed to the Cruisers Forum


You may find answers to most of your questions there.

Good Luck in your search.

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Opua NZ



On 4 Dec 2019, at 19:44, Staten via Groups.Io <vls43402@...> wrote:

Please let me know what the difference is between these two models.  I am considering purchasing one or the other.


SM- Yanmar Ignition module?

Dan Carlson
 

Hi SM-Yanmar owners: I changed the fuel filter recently and knocked loose the red (24v) wire that goes from the 24v alternator positive post into the small module that is attached to the engine between the fuel filter and the engine stop solenoid (?).  The white ignition wire to the alternator also comes from this module.  It has five spade connectors and only four are used. It looks like it came off of the rear most spade. Also, if it contacts the open center spade the red alternator warning light on the 24 volt panel comes on.  

Can anyone confirm which spade this red wire should be attached to? And for my learning; it would be great to know a bit more about how this module functions.  I'm guessing or vaguely recalling that it uses some other signal like oil pressure to switch on the the ignition signal to the alternator?

Thanks and regards, 
Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387, at Shelter Bay Marina


Re: Companion way for removal

Courtney Gorman
 

Alan we will be anchored in St Anne tonight 
Cheers 
Courtney 
Trippin 


On Dec 3, 2019, at 6:26 PM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:


Hey mate, I did not remove the slide, I just removed the plywood at the back to allow it to slide up to the dodger. I masked off the wood on either side before raising the slide to work on it.
I removed all the top layer of the plywood then sanded with 80 grit. One coat of high build epoxy primer then a sand with 220 grit. I was not happy with the coverage so I did it again, then 2 coats of awlgrip Nordic white straight off the shelf. It was close enough for the 3 meter rule. If it looks good from 3 meters then your done. I do have a couple of runs so I would like to do another coat but I’m in no rush.
All done with a brush and foam brush.
We are heading to St Anne for a few days of R&R and zero dollar days after 2 very hectic days.
Rigging went well I had it very close they only adjusted the main uppers,the mizzen uppers and the mizzen backstays.
Got everything on my list ticked off.
Alan


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io <carlylelk@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 3:01:37 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Companion way for removal
 
Alan,

I came by this morning to have a look at your companionway, and it looks great.  Could you give some more information on your proceedure?

Did you remove the door, or just raise it to the Dodger?

If the door wasn't removed, were you able to mask off the wood channel the door slides in, or how did you protect the unpained frame?  Or did you just paint to the edge of the frame?

What kind of epoxy filler did you use?  Just one coat?  Was it applied by brush?

Thanks!
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477



Super Maramu vs. Super Maramu 2000

Staten <vls43402@...>
 

Please let me know what the difference is between these two models.  I am considering purchasing one or the other.


Re: Greasing stegring cables

James Alton
 

Miles,

  If you look carefully on the back of the top rack I think that you will find that your boat actually has two grease nipples on the steering system,  or at least mine does.  I missed the second one myself on the first grease run.  I can tell that grease is getting on to the racks since it changes the sound and the feel slightly.  While it is certainly easy to pump some fresh grease in I am thinking that it would be a good idea for me to take everything apart and clean out any abrasive material that might be in the old grease.  Fingers crossed that everything looks good!

Best,

James
Maramu #220

On Dec 3, 2019, at 4:12 AM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

Hi there 
I thought it would be interesting to note that on the mid 80s Maramus with morse 401 commander rack and pinion steering system each rack has a grease nipple so this sounds like a good idea as an upgrade for the ultraflex system imo. 

All the best
Miles
Maramu 162


On 23 Nov 2019, at 21:32, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Pat,

The potential grease port location I spoke of may be easy to reach on one rack, but I am not sure about the other. See below.
<image.png>


--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 3:19 PM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Pat,

I haven't considered that. I assume that you are referring to the racks...the steering cable is sealed.

I assume that the "leaking grease" is coming from the rack housing at one end or the other. If I recall these ends are not perfectly sealed. And as the toothed rack moves back and forth, it could push excess grease toward the ends of the rack housing.

Keep in mind that it is the steel toothed racks inside each rack housing that will fail with excess wear and that excess wear will be very close to the center of each rack. I believe this is wear caused by the autopilot "back and forth motion." It may also be caused by securing the helm in a center position while anchored.

Amel SAV said that they are going to be sourcing these steel toothed racks and have them available, even though the original manufacturer, Ultraflex, has stopped producing them. See the worn rack below:
<image.png>


One rack has teeth pointed upward, the other rack teeth are pointed downward. Tooth orientation, along with primarily 
center wear, should be considered when adding grease/fitting.
<image.png>

Translation:Corrugated Washer ---- Teflon half-rings

<image.png>


Possibly, the cover shown below can be drilled to inject grease. If so, this would be a fairly easy modification that could possibly add years of service to the racks. 
I am worried that the metal is to thin to take a thread tap. If that is true, possibly it could be drilled, grease injected and a rubber plug inserted. I know there are a few owners who can answer this question. We may need a volunteer to study this further.
<image.png>



--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 1:55 PM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill, For some years now I have had a minor leak of grease from the rack&pinion . What do you think about adding a nipple to put a little grease back into the unit .
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 23, 2019 9:52 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greasing stegring cables

The cables are sealed.

The racks and pinion have to be disassembled to add grease. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 7:32 AM Arthur Sundqvist <arthur@...> wrote:
How and where do I Grease the Steering Cables?
arthur sundqvist
sm435. Vista
Fair winds.....






Re: Companion way for removal

Alan Grayson
 

Hey mate, I did not remove the slide, I just removed the plywood at the back to allow it to slide up to the dodger. I masked off the wood on either side before raising the slide to work on it.
I removed all the top layer of the plywood then sanded with 80 grit. One coat of high build epoxy primer then a sand with 220 grit. I was not happy with the coverage so I did it again, then 2 coats of awlgrip Nordic white straight off the shelf. It was close enough for the 3 meter rule. If it looks good from 3 meters then your done. I do have a couple of runs so I would like to do another coat but I’m in no rush.
All done with a brush and foam brush.
We are heading to St Anne for a few days of R&R and zero dollar days after 2 very hectic days.
Rigging went well I had it very close they only adjusted the main uppers,the mizzen uppers and the mizzen backstays.
Got everything on my list ticked off.
Alan


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io <carlylelk@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 3:01:37 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Companion way for removal
 
Alan,

I came by this morning to have a look at your companionway, and it looks great.  Could you give some more information on your proceedure?

Did you remove the door, or just raise it to the Dodger?

If the door wasn't removed, were you able to mask off the wood channel the door slides in, or how did you protect the unpained frame?  Or did you just paint to the edge of the frame?

What kind of epoxy filler did you use?  Just one coat?  Was it applied by brush?

Thanks!
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477



Re: Companion way for removal

Duane Siegfri
 

Alan,

I came by this morning to have a look at your companionway, and it looks great.  Could you give some more information on your proceedure?

Did you remove the door, or just raise it to the Dodger?

If the door wasn't removed, were you able to mask off the wood channel the door slides in, or how did you protect the unpained frame?  Or did you just paint to the edge of the frame?

What kind of epoxy filler did you use?  Just one coat?  Was it applied by brush?

Thanks!
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477



Re: Bowthruster works only one way

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

David,

 

That’s very encouraging, thanks.

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

Paul Dowd

Managing Director
FGPS International DWC LLC
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Cummane via Groups.Io
Sent: 03 December 2019 03:01
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bowthruster works only one way

 

Paul, I recently had an intermittent one way bow thruster issue and it was being caused by the switch under the joystick beginning to fail.  On the SM it is pretty easy to lift the black bow thruster direction panel and have a look at the switch.

 

A replacement joystick 🕹 switch did the trick.

 

David

Ker Marie

SM#101



On 2 Dec 2019, at 23:35, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Mark,

 

That’s a useful document as it looks like it tells me exactly how to troubleshoot my problem. However, before I got a chance to use it properly the problem disappeared which, fortunate as it may seem, is also unfortunate in that I now don’t know the cause was!

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark & Debbie Mueller
Sent: 29 November 2019 14:36
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bowthruster works only one way

 

I am assuming that the bow thruster extends and retracts OK.  We had a similar problem that turned out to be the solenoid pack mounted on the side of the bow thruster motor.  It had corroded and would operate in only on direction.  I have attached the trouble shooting guide from Side Power.  Some have rebuilt the solenoid(s) - I was not able to and replaced the solenoid pack.
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Bowthruster works only one way

 

Anyone interested in this manual can download it from my Yacht School website here:



--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 1:01 AM David Cummane via Groups.Io <davidcummane=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
Paul, I recently had an intermittent one way bow thruster issue and it was being caused by the switch under the joystick beginning to fail.  On the SM it is pretty easy to lift the black bow thruster direction panel and have a look at the switch.

A replacement joystick 🕹 switch did the trick.

David
Ker Marie
SM#101

On 2 Dec 2019, at 23:35, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Mark,

 

That’s a useful document as it looks like it tells me exactly how to troubleshoot my problem. However, before I got a chance to use it properly the problem disappeared which, fortunate as it may seem, is also unfortunate in that I now don’t know the cause was!

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark & Debbie Mueller
Sent: 29 November 2019 14:36
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bowthruster works only one way

 

I am assuming that the bow thruster extends and retracts OK.  We had a similar problem that turned out to be the solenoid pack mounted on the side of the bow thruster motor.  It had corroded and would operate in only on direction.  I have attached the trouble shooting guide from Side Power.  Some have rebuilt the solenoid(s) - I was not able to and replaced the solenoid pack.
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Mast painting Amel Super Maramu

Jean-Pierre Massicotte
 

Hello, no I did not strip the masts, booms and spreaders to bare aluminum. Just carefully treated the corroded area and then re-paint all. Care full prep is required when painting aluminum, don't skip any step according to the paint system you are using and you will have beautiful masts again.

Careful prep is required for a good looking and lasting finish. There will be always some area prone to electrolysis that will need retouching, make sure to isolate your winchs and all stainless with Teflon washers and used isolating paste when mounting anything to aluminium, that will help for future dismantling and reduce the electrolysis effect and paint damage.

Have fun, hope this help

Jp, Vanille, SN 51

On Tue., Dec. 3, 2019, 08:26 Jarek Zemlo, <zemlo.jarek@...> wrote:
Jean Pierre Hello,
thank you. Did you strip the entire paint to aluminium or just repaired corroded areas and left the good paint on place?
I think of repair corroded spots, thereafter sanding the entire mast and paint on top of the old sanded paint.

Best regards
Jarek
--
Jarek Zemlo


Re: Mast painting Amel Super Maramu

Patrick McAneny
 

Jerek, Many years ago I did just that, sanded the corroded spots , primed them then lightly sanded (320 grit) the mast and repainted with Awlgrip . I can't imagine the work in order to sand all the paint off the entire mast , it is entirely unnecessary assuming the paint is bonded to the mast. Be sure to clean the mast well and be sure to remove any wax that may be on the paint.
Good Luck,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Jarek Zemlo <zemlo.jarek@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 3, 2019 7:26 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Mast painting Amel Super Maramu

Jean Pierre Hello,
thank you. Did you strip the entire paint to aluminium or just repaired corroded areas and left the good paint on place?
I think of repair corroded spots, thereafter sanding the entire mast and paint on top of the old sanded paint.

Best regards
Jarek
--
Jarek Zemlo


Re: Mast painting Amel Super Maramu

Jarek Zemlo
 

Jean Pierre Hello,
thank you. Did you strip the entire paint to aluminium or just repaired corroded areas and left the good paint on place?
I think of repair corroded spots, thereafter sanding the entire mast and paint on top of the old sanded paint.

Best regards
Jarek
--
Jarek Zemlo


Re: Greasing stegring cables

smiles bernard
 

Hi there 
I thought it would be interesting to note that on the mid 80s Maramus with morse 401 commander rack and pinion steering system each rack has a grease nipple so this sounds like a good idea as an upgrade for the ultraflex system imo. 

All the best
Miles
Maramu 162


On 23 Nov 2019, at 21:32, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Pat,

The potential grease port location I spoke of may be easy to reach on one rack, but I am not sure about the other. See below.
<image.png>


--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 3:19 PM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Pat,

I haven't considered that. I assume that you are referring to the racks...the steering cable is sealed.

I assume that the "leaking grease" is coming from the rack housing at one end or the other. If I recall these ends are not perfectly sealed. And as the toothed rack moves back and forth, it could push excess grease toward the ends of the rack housing.

Keep in mind that it is the steel toothed racks inside each rack housing that will fail with excess wear and that excess wear will be very close to the center of each rack. I believe this is wear caused by the autopilot "back and forth motion." It may also be caused by securing the helm in a center position while anchored.

Amel SAV said that they are going to be sourcing these steel toothed racks and have them available, even though the original manufacturer, Ultraflex, has stopped producing them. See the worn rack below:
<image.png>


One rack has teeth pointed upward, the other rack teeth are pointed downward. Tooth orientation, along with primarily 
center wear, should be considered when adding grease/fitting.
<image.png>

Translation:Corrugated Washer ---- Teflon half-rings

<image.png>


Possibly, the cover shown below can be drilled to inject grease. If so, this would be a fairly easy modification that could possibly add years of service to the racks. 
I am worried that the metal is to thin to take a thread tap. If that is true, possibly it could be drilled, grease injected and a rubber plug inserted. I know there are a few owners who can answer this question. We may need a volunteer to study this further.
<image.png>



--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 1:55 PM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill, For some years now I have had a minor leak of grease from the rack&pinion . What do you think about adding a nipple to put a little grease back into the unit .
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 23, 2019 9:52 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greasing stegring cables

The cables are sealed.

The racks and pinion have to be disassembled to add grease. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 7:32 AM Arthur Sundqvist <arthur@...> wrote:
How and where do I Grease the Steering Cables?
arthur sundqvist
sm435. Vista
Fair winds.....


Re: Bowthruster works only one way

David Cummane
 

Paul, I recently had an intermittent one way bow thruster issue and it was being caused by the switch under the joystick beginning to fail.  On the SM it is pretty easy to lift the black bow thruster direction panel and have a look at the switch.

A replacement joystick 🕹 switch did the trick.

David
Ker Marie
SM#101

On 2 Dec 2019, at 23:35, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Mark,

 

That’s a useful document as it looks like it tells me exactly how to troubleshoot my problem. However, before I got a chance to use it properly the problem disappeared which, fortunate as it may seem, is also unfortunate in that I now don’t know the cause was!

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark & Debbie Mueller
Sent: 29 November 2019 14:36
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bowthruster works only one way

 

I am assuming that the bow thruster extends and retracts OK.  We had a similar problem that turned out to be the solenoid pack mounted on the side of the bow thruster motor.  It had corroded and would operate in only on direction.  I have attached the trouble shooting guide from Side Power.  Some have rebuilt the solenoid(s) - I was not able to and replaced the solenoid pack.
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98