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Re: Dripless shaft seal

James Alton

#49465

Arlo,

I have installed a few of the PSS dripless units made by PYI on customer boats. They are pretty well designed but I am going to stay with the original Amel installed Bronze packing gland which is a design that has served me well over 40 years of boating. True in theory the dripless glands can save you a little maintenance time as compared to the original packing gland but if you have the right wrenches, keep the gland clean and greased it isn’t much. The problem I see with the dripless designs that I am familiar with is that they are attached to the shaft log with a quite thin rubber bellows that does not seem to be reinforced with any fabric. The bellows shape provides a small amount of pressure to keep the bearing that seals out the water. Even something lightweight like the end of a mop handle can disturb the bellows and cause leakage. Also you can have salt deposits build up if the dripless unit sits for a long time that can prevent the unit from sealing after turning the shaft. I have had this happen on a customers boat, thankfully I always check the stuffing box or in this case the PSS gland which was dripping profusely after running the engine. Cleaning the sealing surfaces corrected the problem but this is not IMO a plug and play device that does not need to be watched carefully. The proper hose used to connect the bronze packing gland by comparison to the light bellows is perhaps 20X the thickness and well reinforced so much much stronger. A packing gland that has not been tightened often enough might drip a bit of water but if the bellows of a dripless fails completely there can be very significant ingress of water into the boat that is pretty much determined by the clearance between the shaft and the shaft log since there is nothing else keeping it out. A big upgrade to the old bronze packing gland is to use the really good white teflon packing which lasts much longer than the original flax material. With the Teflon packing you can almost end up with a dripless, especially with the addition of the grease injection. I am not familiar with the Las Drop that was suggested to you but it certainly sounds like an interesting design. Best of luck in making the best decision for your boat.

James

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

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On Dec 4, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Arlo <svplanb@...> wrote:

Hello all. I plan to have my cutlass bearing replaced soon and want to use the opportunity to install a dripless shaft seal. I have a 1985 Mango. Looking at both the PSS and Tides systems. Anyone have experience either ? My mechanic is saying he recommends the tides as you can have a spare hose carrier installed and not need to pull the shaft when it needs replacing or leaks. I have a recommendation for the PSS from Dave (another Mango owner)....thoughts?

Re: Super Maramu vs. Super Maramu 2000

CW Bill Rouse

#49464

There isn't a simple answer because some of the features of the SM2k were introduced before the SM2k, and later SM2ks had some additional changes and features.

Several years ago, I spent considerable time and effort in an attempt to answer your question and found it is impossible to answer, especially if you need to be 100% accurate and complete to the level of component install locations. You will find with each attempt to accomplish this, there will be someone, correctly stating, yes, but you didn't list.....

If you are looking to buy a SM, the SM2k will be your best choice, however, if your budget limits selecting the SM2k, the SM is a good solution. Like Dan said, look at some.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

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On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 6:14 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:

Honestly Staten, just go look at the boats and decide what is important to you! Other people's opinions will be all over the place based on goals, preferences and budget. The SM is newer, bigger and has more amenities and storage... Both will take you safely around the world. What are you looking for in a boat?

Best, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 6:53 PM Staten via Groups.Io <vls43402=yahoo.com@groups.io wrote:
Thanks. But that discussion appears to only concern the Mango and a version of the Super Maramu. Im not finding a discussion of the 2000 model Super Maramu and prior versions.

Re: Martinique- Good store for 12v batteries?

Duane Siegfri

#49463

Bill,

Thanks for the info. I was there this afternoon. We have a charger that is wet cell only, and Caraibe has only two wet cell types available in quantities of 12. They have a Trojan 31XHS at 130AH (20hour test) for 360 Euros, and the Banner 100 AH at 225 Euros. The Banner inspires no confidenceand based on name recognition, they could not give me a model number, only the 100 AH. I'm not even sure if that's the 20 hour test or the 100 hour test.

The Trojan is available in the US at half the price, but that doesn't really matter, just a reality reference. Maybe they're even cheaper on the moon.

I think we're going to get 8 of the Trojans, they equal 12 of the Banners in AH's at only a small premium, and they have a quality reputation that will make me sleep well at night.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Re: Super Maramu vs. Super Maramu 2000

Dan Carlson

#49462

Honestly Staten, just go look at the boats and decide what is important to you! Other people's opinions will be all over the place based on goals, preferences and budget. The SM is newer, bigger and has more amenities and storage... Both will take you safely around the world. What are you looking for in a boat?

Best, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387

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On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 6:53 PM Staten via Groups.Io <vls43402=yahoo.com@groups.io wrote:

Thanks. But that discussion appears to only concern the Mango and a version of the Super Maramu. Im not finding a discussion of the 2000 model Super Maramu and prior versions.

Re: Super Maramu vs. Super Maramu 2000

Staten <vls43402@...>

#49461

Thanks. But that discussion appears to only concern the Mango and a version of the Super Maramu. Im not finding a discussion of the 2000 model Super Maramu and prior versions.

Re: Dripless shaft seal

david bruce

#49460

Hi,

I have no qualms endorsing the PSS dripless shaft seal as I have had one on my Newport 41 for 10 yrs, with no problems at all. I inspect it frequently and have seen no actual wear and only slight stiffening in the bellows after 8 years prompting a replacement at our last haul out. They re not terribly expensive so a more frequent replacement schedule is not too onerous. Just my 2 cents.

Dave Bruce

Liesse

SN006

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On Dec 4, 2019, at 1:27 PM, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

The PSS only sank one boat I’m aware of.
Another, close friend, almost lost his boat, when the PSS bellows hose failed, 600 miles from shore. He was able to wrap stuff around the bellows to slow the leak to something manageable by the bilge pump, but he could not run his motor. He yanked the PSS off as soon as he reached land.
I’ve had success with the Lasdrop Gen II. It uses a conventional shaft log hose, and has an internal cutlass bearing to maintain concentricity of the seals. Their service kit is only two lip seals, that need replacement at 5-7 year intervals. When those go, it’s a slight drip, not torrent of water. Less than $20 for the seals. We’ve had our Lasdrop for 10 years, replaced seals once. I’m installing one on our new Amel 50 which comes with a PSS. I will replace it with the Lasdrop at our first haulout. It will be for sale then......

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Dec 4, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Arlo <svplanb@...> wrote:

Hello all. I plan to have my cutlass bearing replaced soon and want to use the opportunity to install a dripless shaft seal. I have a 1985 Mango. Looking at both the PSS and Tides systems. Anyone have experience either ? My mechanic is saying he recommends the tides as you can have a spare hose carrier installed and not need to pull the shaft when it needs replacing or leaks. I have a recommendation for the PSS from Dave (another Mango owner)....thoughts?

Re: Martinique- Good store for 12v batteries?

CW Bill Rouse

#49459

I spoke to Caraibe Marine. They have wet cell, AGM, Gel, and Lithium

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550

Website: www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com

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On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 2:23 PM Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Duane
I just bought 12 EMGs from Caribe Marine I know they also had wet cells much cheaper
Great service fair price
Cheers
Courtney
Trippin
Saint Anne

On Dec 4, 2019, at 1:46 PM, Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io <carlylelk=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Our 12v wet cell batteries need to be replaced, any suggestions on a store in Martinique?

We have found Hankook brand, anyone have experience with them?

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Re: Dripless shaft seal

Matt Salatino

#49458

The PSS only sank one boat I’m aware of.

Another, close friend, almost lost his boat, when the PSS bellows hose failed, 600 miles from shore. He was able to wrap stuff around the bellows to slow the leak to something manageable by the bilge pump, but he could not run his motor. He yanked the PSS off as soon as he reached land.

I’ve had success with the Lasdrop Gen II. It uses a conventional shaft log hose, and has an internal cutlass bearing to maintain concentricity of the seals. Their service kit is only two lip seals, that need replacement at 5-7 year intervals. When those go, it’s a slight drip, not torrent of water. Less than $20 for the seals. We’ve had our Lasdrop for 10 years, replaced seals once. I’m installing one on our new Amel 50 which comes with a PSS. I will replace it with the Lasdrop at our first haulout. It will be for sale then......

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

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On Dec 4, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Arlo <svplanb@...> wrote:

Hello all. I plan to have my cutlass bearing replaced soon and want to use the opportunity to install a dripless shaft seal. I have a 1985 Mango. Looking at both the PSS and Tides systems. Anyone have experience either ? My mechanic is saying he recommends the tides as you can have a spare hose carrier installed and not need to pull the shaft when it needs replacing or leaks. I have a recommendation for the PSS from Dave (another Mango owner)....thoughts?

A54 VHF antenna Make/Model

Sv Garulfo

#49457

Hello

could anyone confirm the brand/model of the VHF antenna originally fitted by Amel on the 54? (we have asked them and they could not confirm)

I have noted that Scott has replaced his with a Shakespeare 5215, and wanted to know if there were any alternatives.

Thanks

Regards

Soraya

Garulfo A54-122

Marquesas, French Polynesia

Re: A54 fridge circulation pump and a New Source for Marco Pumps

Sv Garulfo

#49456

Hello,

Just wanted to provide feedback on our order of the marco up2-p from the following website www.marco-pumps.com. (Mate-USA doesn't deliver outside USA/Canada).

Overall very pleased. Delivery is indeed 15USD/EUR worldwide, dispatch within 24h of order, and customer service available via whatsapp!!. (the maintenance kit was unavailable and required 2-3 extra days)

Our parcel arrived to Tahiti - French polynesia - 5 working days after the order. Only reporting now as it then had to clear through customs and be forwarded further within french Polynesia etc.

Not yet installed, but a couple of observations :

- we were first surprised that the pump is significantly smaller than the jabsco one, fits in your hand.

- we had to get different connectors to fit to existing hoses. The diagram on the pump documentation doesn't show the thread one side of the connector, and the 1/2" barb connection doesn't fit the existing setup.

We will provide further feedback once installed and running.

PS: thanks to Bill for sharing the discount code

Best,

Soraya

GARULFO A54-122

Marquesas, French Polynesia

Re: Martinique- Good store for 12v batteries?

Symphony

#49455

I delivered a catamaran from Le Marin Caraibes Marine to Ft Lauderdale in 2016.

the boat was OK but needed lots of details, stove, fuel jugs, a battery, hoses, light bulbs, oil and fuel filters. etc.
I loaded up with the fantastic food available in Martinique - French imports at low prices.
I repaired, jury-rigged, secured the boat as much as I could at the marina, then sailed to St Martin where I purchased everything needed easily, and far cheaper. It was possibly risky but the weather and conditions were all in my favor.

I love Martinique. Le Marin is a fantastique place to see lots of Amels

Richard
Vicem 58 "Songbird"
Branford, CT

Re: Martinique- Good store for 12v batteries?

Courtney Gorman

#49454

Hi Duane

I just bought 12 EMGs from Caribe Marine I know they also had wet cells much cheaper

Great service fair price

Cheers

Courtney

Trippin

Saint Anne

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On Dec 4, 2019, at 1:46 PM, Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io <carlylelk@...> wrote:

Our 12v wet cell batteries need to be replaced, any suggestions on a store in Martinique?

We have found Hankook brand, anyone have experience with them?

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Dripless shaft seal

Arlo

#49453
Edited

Hello all. I plan to have my cutlass bearing replaced soon and want to use the opportunity to install a dripless shaft seal. I have a 1985 Mango. Looking at both the PSS and Tides systems. Anyone have experience either ? My mechanic is saying he recommends the tides as you can have a spare seal carrier installed and not need to pull the shaft when it needs replacing or leaks. I have a recommendation for the PSS from Dave (another Mango owner)....thoughts?

Re: Martinique- Good store for 12v batteries?

Mark McGovern

#49452

There were no good options for purchasing batteries in Le Marin, Martinique when I purchased my boat back in June 2017. Things may have changed since then and others might have some more current advice for you but I paid roughly double the price for no-name starter battery in Martinique than I would have paid for a name brand starter battery in the USA. Let us know what you find!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: Mast painting Amel Super Maramu

Jarek Zemlo

#49451

Jean-Pierre

thank you
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Jarek Zemlo

Re: Mast painting Amel Super Maramu

Jarek Zemlo

#49450

Pat,

many thanks
Regards
Jarek
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Jarek Zemlo

Re: Martinique- Good store for 12v batteries?

CW Bill Rouse

#49449

Caraibes Marine.

Ask for Julien
julien@...

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

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On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 11:46 AM Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io <carlylelk=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Our 12v wet cell batteries need to be replaced, any suggestions on a store in Martinique?

We have found Hankook brand, anyone have experience with them?

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Martinique- Good store for 12v batteries?

Duane Siegfri

#49448

Our 12v wet cell batteries need to be replaced, any suggestions on a store in Martinique?

We have found Hankook brand, anyone have experience with them?

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Re: SM- Yanmar Ignition module?

Dan Carlson

#49447

Thanks Bill,

I found the spare and from which I could figure out the wiring. I just couldn't see the markings on the installed relay on the engine to figure it out.

Thanks and regards,

Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387, Shelter Bay Marina

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On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 10:59 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@... wrote:

Dan this is a relay that is closed on one side by the Yanmar ignition when the key is turned on (2 wires 12 volt). This 12 volt side closes upon ignition and also closes the other side of the relay switching a positive 24 volt "excite" circuit for the alternator. With this info and the stamped info on the relay should help you determine which wire goes where. BTW, you have a spare relay.

Also, the 24 alternator will self-excite at about 1800-2000 rpm, and once self-excited will stay excited.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 9:24 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Hi SM-Yanmar owners: I changed the fuel filter recently and knocked loose the red (24v) wire that goes from the 24v alternator positive post into the small module that is attached to the engine between the fuel filter and the engine stop solenoid (?). The white ignition wire to the alternator also comes from this module. It has five spade connectors and only four are used. It looks like it came off of the rear most spade. Also, if it contacts the open center spade the red alternator warning light on the 24 volt panel comes on.

Can anyone confirm which spade this red wire should be attached to? And for my learning; it would be great to know a bit more about how this module functions. I'm guessing or vaguely recalling that it uses some other signal like oil pressure to switch on the the ignition signal to the alternator?

Thanks and regards,
Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387, at Shelter Bay Marina

Re: SM- Yanmar Ignition module?

CW Bill Rouse

#49446

Dan this is a relay that is closed on one side by the Yanmar ignition when the key is turned on (2 wires 12 volt). This 12 volt side closes upon ignition and also closes the other side of the relay switching a positive 24 volt "excite" circuit for the alternator. With this info and the stamped info on the relay should help you determine which wire goes where. BTW, you have a spare relay.

Also, the 24 alternator will self-excite at about 1800-2000 rpm, and once self-excited will stay excited.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

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On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 9:24 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:

Hi SM-Yanmar owners: I changed the fuel filter recently and knocked loose the red (24v) wire that goes from the 24v alternator positive post into the small module that is attached to the engine between the fuel filter and the engine stop solenoid (?). The white ignition wire to the alternator also comes from this module. It has five spade connectors and only four are used. It looks like it came off of the rear most spade. Also, if it contacts the open center spade the red alternator warning light on the 24 volt panel comes on.

Can anyone confirm which spade this red wire should be attached to? And for my learning; it would be great to know a bit more about how this module functions. I'm guessing or vaguely recalling that it uses some other signal like oil pressure to switch on the the ignition signal to the alternator?

Thanks and regards,
Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387, at Shelter Bay Marina