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Re: Manuals and instructions of the Amel Sharki 1982 Nr 53.

Gerhard Mueller
 

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 04:29 PM, Ralf Schroeder wrote:
But I'm searching for a manual for the original autopilot with panel etc. myself.
So, when somebody can help us, I'm very happy, too.
Here are some links for the Neco:
https://topperdiek.de/dl/Amel/NECO_692_quick_start.pdf
https://topperdiek.de/dl/Amel/NECO-komplet-Manual.pdf
https://topperdiek.de/dl/Amel/Neco-Marine-Autopilot.pdf 
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Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: Manuals and instructions of the Amel Sharki 1982 Nr 53.

Gerhard Mueller
 

Welcome Walter

I bought 3 years ago a Sharki also. My build number #60 is also from 1982.
Most instructions I got from the internet and was found with Google.
These old boats are differently equipped. It depends what the previous ownsers have done or not done.
If you have still the original autopilot Neco 692 I can give you the manual for download.
I have also the Perkins manual and the B&G manual. Meanwhile you can download the electric scheme from here:
https://topperdiek.de/dl/Amel/Electric/SharkiElectric.zip
Tell me if you want the other manual also and what else you need.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: Manuals and instructions of the Amel Sharki 1982 Nr 53.

Ralf Schroeder
 

Hi Janine and Walter,
welcome here in this great group and good time with your wonderful ship :-).
I'm the proud owner of the 1981 Sharki Baghira (Nr: 42).

I attach two manuals for the Perkins 4108. In GB are some good addresses for spare parts. When you need the addresses, I will be sending you the contact.

But I'm searching for a manual for the original autopilot with panel etc. myself.
So, when somebody can help us, I'm very happy, too.

Good way and careful wind
Ralf 

Re: Needed: Amel Experienced Surveyor - North East USA

Mike Ondra
 

Hello Jer,

This gentleman did an insurance survey on Aletes. And I know he did at least one other Amel. We found him thorough, easy to work with, and good quality report.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Martinique

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of mr_hermanns
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 2:42 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Needed: Amel Experienced Surveyor - North East USA

 

Fellow Amelians,

Amel Experienced Surveyor Needed. Looking for someone near the Annapolis area to complete a Survey. Sadly, I don’t know anyone on the east coast and would love recommendations!


--
Jeremy Hermanns - "Jer"
SVCerulean.com
Maramu #105
Marina Del Rey, CA

Re: refrigeration compressor

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

Hi Jeff,

 

On our boat the compressor is mounted underneath the refrigerator, underneath the chest refrigerator/freezer, and to the port side of the refrigerator/freezer under the salon seat.  The Danfoss compressor controller is attached to the side of each compressor.

 

To gain access to the refrigerator compressor remove the “thumbscrew” on the inside of the under sink cabinet, it is toward the top.  I believe the unit will slide forward into the small under floor storage area between the refrigerator and chest.  I do not remember if there are any attachment points at the bottom of the refrigerator.  To access the chest compressor remove the trim panel at the floor at the base of the chest and you will be able to reach in to access the compressor.  To get to the under seat unit remove the salon seat cushion at the port side of the boat then remove the wood cover on the aft port side.

 

You may be able to check voltage at the pump interface in the engine compartment to determine if you have a relay problem or Danfoss controller problem.  Refer to the attached schematic from Coastal Climate Control for the interconnection of the relays.  Good luck.
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54

Re: refrigeration compressor

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Jeff,

If you are referring to the freezer under the saloon dining table seat the compressor is in the compartment next to it under the corner seat.

For the chest freezer under the galley worktop the compressor is below it.

Nick

Amelia AML 54-019
Greece

On 11 Dec 2019, at 13:21, JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...> wrote:

Good Morning Amelians,
I'm having issues with my refrigeration on my Amel 54. 
There are 2 freezers and the reefer aboard Spirit. The circulator pump which supplies water to all units is activated by the command of the pump interface. Each unit (freezer1,2 or the reefer) can switch on the circulator pump, which must be operating for any unit to function. The pump interface is activated by the Danfoss controller. 
My problem is that it appears that only the freezer 2 switch is working to activate the pump. Turning on either freezer 1 or the reefer will not activate the pump interface and turn on the circulator pump. If I turn on freezer 2, then freezer 1 and the reefer, everything works. However, the indicator lights on the pump interface are off for freezer 1 and the reefer. I need to run freezer 2 for the reefer and freezer 1 to work. Obviously neither freezer 1 or the reefer switch on the pump interface.
Apparently the Danfoss controller is located near the refrigeration compressor. Unfortunately, I don't see the compressor anywhere, and I don't want to start removing things to search for it. 
Does anyone with an Amel 54 know the location of the compressor, and if so, is the assumption that the Danfoss controller is nearby correct?
Best Regards to all.
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14 Puerto Real, PR

refrigeration compressor

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Good Morning Amelians,
I'm having issues with my refrigeration on my Amel 54. 
There are 2 freezers and the reefer aboard Spirit. The circulator pump which supplies water to all units is activated by the command of the pump interface. Each unit (freezer1,2 or the reefer) can switch on the circulator pump, which must be operating for any unit to function. The pump interface is activated by the Danfoss controller. 
My problem is that it appears that only the freezer 2 switch is working to activate the pump. Turning on either freezer 1 or the reefer will not activate the pump interface and turn on the circulator pump. If I turn on freezer 2, then freezer 1 and the reefer, everything works. However, the indicator lights on the pump interface are off for freezer 1 and the reefer. I need to run freezer 2 for the reefer and freezer 1 to work. Obviously neither freezer 1 or the reefer switch on the pump interface.
Apparently the Danfoss controller is located near the refrigeration compressor. Unfortunately, I don't see the compressor anywhere, and I don't want to start removing things to search for it. 
Does anyone with an Amel 54 know the location of the compressor, and if so, is the assumption that the Danfoss controller is nearby correct?
Best Regards to all.
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14 Puerto Real, PR

Re: vetus coupling removal

Davi Rozgonyi
 

Hey there, wiser minds than mine will answer I'm sure, but I'm just here to remind you to get or make that alignment blank for this job. Skilled professionals were unable to align mine without it....they tried, and my vetus coupling blew a hundred hours later. You will very likely not align it correctly without it. Do yourself a favor if you haven't already, get or make that blank! 

Cheers, 
Davi

vetus coupling removal

Herbert Lackner
 

today I tried to align the engine and the c-drive. unfortunately I was not able to remove the vetus coupling from the shaft, tried it also with a puller but without success.  Are there any tricks, special tools,... how this can be done? I remember Eric uploaded a foto showing the tool he made for that, but could not find it. any help welcome

herbert, SN120, kali mera, Mazatlan

Re: Maramu Gearbox identification

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hi James,
That looks like the standard reduction gear on Amels of that era, like my SN. If so, it may be a Bonfiglioli Model VF44 Configuration P1 70 P63 B14 B3, which is readily available from many suppliers.
Cheers, Craig

Maramu Gearbox identification

James Alton
 

Hello fellow Amelians,

   I would like to locate spare gearboxes for the main mast and boom curlers on my 1987 Amel Maramu.  Amel has not been able to help me with this since my spars are by Nirvana and were not made by Amel.  I have done some searching and cannot find a match for what I have on my boat.  I will attach some photos below and a description, any help appreciated.

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

Description:  Right angle gear box with 1/2"or 13.9mm input shaft and 1"or 25mm hollow output shaft.  Gear ratio 73:1.  Mounting flange to bottom of boom is 44mm OD with 4 - holes at 35mm centres.  




Re: Manuals and instructions of the Amel Sharki 1982 Nr 53.

Courtney Gorman
 

Welcome and congratulations on your new boat if someone has the documents you need I’m sure you’ll get them this is a great place for Amel boat owners
Cheers 
Courtney Gorman 
svTrippin
54 #101
Tobago Cays


On Dec 10, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Walter van Grieken <Vangriekenbladel@...> wrote:


We are the family van Grieken from the Netherlands, new member of the AmelYachtOwners group. 
In the beginning of december we bought an Amel Sharki 1982 Nr 53.

Now we are looking for a complete manual of the original equipment such as the automatic pilot, an electric scheme and the B & G Hercules System 190.
Also a manual of the engine, a Perkins 4.108

Can anybody help us to get a copy of the instructions? 
Of course we will give a financial compensation for this.

Kind regards,

Walter and Janine van Grieken

Manuals and instructions of the Amel Sharki 1982 Nr 53.

Walter van Grieken
 


We are the family van Grieken from the Netherlands, new member of the AmelYachtOwners group. 
In the beginning of december we bought an Amel Sharki 1982 Nr 53.

Now we are looking for a complete manual of the original equipment such as the automatic pilot, an electric scheme and the B & G Hercules System 190.
Also a manual of the engine, a Perkins 4.108

Can anybody help us to get a copy of the instructions? 
Of course we will give a financial compensation for this.

Kind regards,

Walter and Janine van Grieken

Needed: Amel Experienced Surveyor - North East USA

mr_hermanns
 

Fellow Amelians,

Amel Experienced Surveyor Needed. Looking for someone near the Annapolis area to complete a Survey. Sadly, I don’t know anyone on the east coast and would love recommendations!

--
Jeremy Hermanns - "Jer"
SVCerulean.com
Maramu #105
Marina Del Rey, CA

B&G Hydra2000 as spare parts

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hello, 

I replaced the old B&G Hydra 2000 on Vela Nautica.
I got the main processor, expansion processor, 2 pcs FFD Fully Function Display. 
Masthead wind vane with about 20m wire. 
System was used until 09/2019.
No guaranty if all is working.

Item is located at Las Palmas, Grand Canaria, Spain

If anybody is interested let me know. 

Oliver from Vela Nautica 
A54#39 
Las Palmas, Grand Canaria

Re: Maramu 46 Vs Santorin engine compartment

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

I sail an Amel Euros 39 from 2004-2015. She was built in 1968
Now she is 52 jears old and i think she is in good condotione

Best Elja
SM Balu 222

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Re: How to make the most of Victron Multi-Plus Inverter/Charger on SM#387

Dan Carlson
 

Thanks for all the feedback on my proposal, and any more to come.  

I remembered one important question I left off of the original email: GROUNDING on the Victron Multi-Plus? For those that have installed the Victron Multi-Plus, how did you handle the grounding? And did you use have to change the configuration of the grounding relay on the Victron? 

Regarding the 50a vs 16a; my logic was that I only run the generator when I need the to run the watermaker. The need for water is greater that my day to day energy deficit.  Therefore I set up the Victron for the lesser of the available shore power current or generator excess over the watermaker. In my case that currently is 10amps.  My sense check after living on the boat for 20 months out of the last three years is that will supply the needs of our lifestyle.  In fact it will greatly expand our capability to is AC because 1) when the generator is running and I switch on AC devices the Victron will automatically adjust the current going to the batteries to stay within limits. And the power assist will allow me to draw from the batteries at peak times to supplement the 10a limit to the panel up to 2x (20a).  Likewise when on shore power I still have the same capability.  If I went with the 50a, then I would need to remember to switch my input current limit from 16a to 25a and back when going between shore power in the marina versus generator at anchorage. 

I realize in these discussions it should not be about whose lifestyle on the boat is right, but for a given owners lifestyle are they installing and setting up the right systems. And taking in not only the right considerations for their current way of living as well as potential changes in the future... For us, this will also be the potential demands of induction cooking. 

Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe at Shelter Bay Marina

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 11:45 AM ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io wrote:
On Amelia I have a Trace 70A charger 2.5KW inverter that I bought to replace the old Dolphin 100A Charger that was defective when I bought the boat. I wanted an 100A charger but the Trace was on special offer and available at the time, from Budget Marine in Grenada.  With all my solar/wind that is absolutely fine on the charging side.

When it came to wiring in the inverter side I decided not to until I had spent some time on the boat. So it was initially only used as a charger. I found that I only wanted the inverter to use a toaster and a coffee machine, and vacuum cleaner and other minor appliances in the galley area.  I considered various wiring options, but they were all discarded . So what I have done is run a cable from the inverter 240v output to a  new single socket in the galley. Labelled 2.5KW inverter. 

I know this is a bit primitive, but I have found that it works fine. The advantage being that I have not messed with any of the Amel original AC installation. There is no risk of any generator/inverter/shore power contamination or confusion. I am still reliant on the original Amel installed automatic Shore Power/Generator switch. 

I am happy with this simplicity. In general when I run the washing machine; the desalinator is also running, as well as the hot water and chargers. I reckon that we would be pulling 30A, so 7.5 KW. A job for the 11KW Onan.

When installing new equipment on Amelia I am always mindful of the Amel way but more importantly the philosophy: 

Kind regards

Nick

S/Y Amelia AML 54-019






On 9 Dec 2019, at 15:47, Roque <ediroque@...> wrote:

Mark. 

I am sure what the Victron technician meant with shore power / generator was either one and not both, of course. The word 'simultaneously" was referring to AC and water heater use, in his example.

 

His point was only to help one chose between the 16A and the 50A transfer switch. 

Roque
Attika A54 #117
Paraty Brazil    

Em seg., 9 de dez. de 2019 às 12:22, Mark & Debbie Mueller <brass.ring@...> escreveu:
You stated that “For example, should a water heater and Air conditioning unit wish to be used simultaneously and in conjunction with shore power / on board generator the 50A unit would be chosen (50A - 11.5kW peak loads)”.  If I understand that you are connecting the shore power and generator simultaneously to the same circuit it is been my experience that catastrophic failures occur in the generator and likely some components between the generator and shore power unless the generator has some fairly sophisticated phase matching capabilities, I do not believe the equipment on our boats have that capability.  The generator must have the capability to match the peaks and valleys of the sine wave supplied by the shore power input.

 

Failures of this nature typically occur when a transfer switch fails connecting both shore power and generator.  Search message #46769 for a recent example of this on an Amel.

-- 
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54



Re: Bowthruster works only one way

Sv Garulfo
 

Hello
We had the same issue last year.

Solenoid issue, cleaned and working again.

Soraya & Thomas
GARULFO A54-122
Marquesas, FP

Re: How to make the most of Victron Multi-Plus Inverter/Charger on SM#387

ngtnewington Newington
 

On Amelia I have a Trace 70A charger 2.5KW inverter that I bought to replace the old Dolphin 100A Charger that was defective when I bought the boat. I wanted an 100A charger but the Trace was on special offer and available at the time, from Budget Marine in Grenada.  With all my solar/wind that is absolutely fine on the charging side.

When it came to wiring in the inverter side I decided not to until I had spent some time on the boat. So it was initially only used as a charger. I found that I only wanted the inverter to use a toaster and a coffee machine, and vacuum cleaner and other minor appliances in the galley area.  I considered various wiring options, but they were all discarded . So what I have done is run a cable from the inverter 240v output to a  new single socket in the galley. Labelled 2.5KW inverter. 

I know this is a bit primitive, but I have found that it works fine. The advantage being that I have not messed with any of the Amel original AC installation. There is no risk of any generator/inverter/shore power contamination or confusion. I am still reliant on the original Amel installed automatic Shore Power/Generator switch. 

I am happy with this simplicity. In general when I run the washing machine; the desalinator is also running, as well as the hot water and chargers. I reckon that we would be pulling 30A, so 7.5 KW. A job for the 11KW Onan.

When installing new equipment on Amelia I am always mindful of the Amel way but more importantly the philosophy: 

Kind regards

Nick

S/Y Amelia AML 54-019






On 9 Dec 2019, at 15:47, Roque <ediroque@...> wrote:

Mark. 

I am sure what the Victron technician meant with shore power / generator was either one and not both, of course. The word 'simultaneously" was referring to AC and water heater use, in his example.

 

His point was only to help one chose between the 16A and the 50A transfer switch. 

Roque
Attika A54 #117
Paraty Brazil    

Em seg., 9 de dez. de 2019 às 12:22, Mark & Debbie Mueller <brass.ring@...> escreveu:
You stated that “For example, should a water heater and Air conditioning unit wish to be used simultaneously and in conjunction with shore power / on board generator the 50A unit would be chosen (50A - 11.5kW peak loads)”.  If I understand that you are connecting the shore power and generator simultaneously to the same circuit it is been my experience that catastrophic failures occur in the generator and likely some components between the generator and shore power unless the generator has some fairly sophisticated phase matching capabilities, I do not believe the equipment on our boats have that capability.  The generator must have the capability to match the peaks and valleys of the sine wave supplied by the shore power input.

 

Failures of this nature typically occur when a transfer switch fails connecting both shore power and generator.  Search message #46769 for a recent example of this on an Amel.

-- 
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54



Re: How to make the most of Victron Multi-Plus Inverter/Charger on SM#387

Roque
 

Mark. 


I am sure what the Victron technician meant with shore power / generator was either one and not both, of course. The word 'simultaneously" was referring to AC and water heater use, in his example.

 

His point was only to help one chose between the 16A and the 50A transfer switch. 


Roque
Attika A54 #117

Paraty Brazil    


Em seg., 9 de dez. de 2019 às 12:22, Mark & Debbie Mueller <brass.ring@...> escreveu:

You stated that “For example, should a water heater and Air conditioning unit wish to be used simultaneously and in conjunction with shore power / on board generator the 50A unit would be chosen (50A - 11.5kW peak loads)”.  If I understand that you are connecting the shore power and generator simultaneously to the same circuit it is been my experience that catastrophic failures occur in the generator and likely some components between the generator and shore power unless the generator has some fairly sophisticated phase matching capabilities, I do not believe the equipment on our boats have that capability.  The generator must have the capability to match the peaks and valleys of the sine wave supplied by the shore power input.

 

Failures of this nature typically occur when a transfer switch fails connecting both shore power and generator.  Search message #46769 for a recent example of this on an Amel.


--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54