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Re: Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

Alan Leslie
 

YES check all the hoses and connections, of course.
I'm very curious to know what goes on in that compartment!
What's the black seacock for?
And the yellow/black hose and the orange thingy and the black bizzo with the wires attached.
The only things I recognise are the white hose and the speed and depth xdcrs!
Cheers...and Happy New Year !
Alan
Elyse
SM437

Re: Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

karkauai
 

Sorry to hear you’re having water in your bilge, Lucy&Chris.

Tom is right on all counts, fortunately it has been rare for others to have the sink plumbing failures...here are a couple other tips:
EverySM owner has experienced this at some time in his/her ownership.  The vast majority of the time it is the bow thruster.  If the water tastes salty, that’s almost certainly the problem.  If not, a leak from the anchor wash pump.  If it’s not salty, condensate from the forward AC that gets out of the pan (it’s supposed to drain into the grey water piping), or a leak in the shower or sink plumbing.

Be sure to clean and rinse the bilge well, so that you’ll be able to do the “taste test” the next time you find water there.

The seacock in the bilge there is where sea water enters the head and the anchor wash.

Another thing you will find is that when heeled over some of that water will slosh over the stringers where it is unreachable.  The next time you’re heeled over some will slosh back into that part of the bilge again.  Per Danny’s wise recommendation, I keep an old towel there to catch that sloshed water until it isn’t showing up any more.

If it is the most-likely bow thruster, there are good posts and files here that will help you adjust the up- limit of the thruster (if you’re lucky that’s all you’ll have to do), and change the seals.
Be sure to raise the thruster before you motor or sail at more than a knot or two, as that can deform the lip seal around the carbon fiber tube that houses the shaft and exits the boat.  Other than age (most change the oil and seals every 2 years at haulout for bottom painting) I think forgetting to raise the thruster is likely the cause of leaking.

Happy New Year to All!!!

Kent & Iris
S/V Kristy SM 243
Palm Beach, FL, heading S after NY

On Dec 30, 2019, at 9:36 PM, Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:

I have earned a PhD in the subject of water in the bilge next to the forward head. 
If you don’t see any obvious egress from the hoses there, then the most likely source is the bow thruster. If you are sure that it isn’t there, I would then check the anchor wash pump and its connections. Both those areas drain down into that bilge. 
 Other possibilities include the forward air conditioner condensate and plumbing related to the sink. 
In my case, it was all four of those, each solved one at a time. 

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Martinique

On Dec 30, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Lucy Pearce sv Starfish via Groups.Io <lucyannepearce@...> wrote:

Hi

We have found a fair amount of water in the bilge compartment under the hallway between the forward head and cabin.(where the depth sounder and speed gauge are located)

The toilet pump has stopped working, whether this is because of the water in there, or whether a broken pump has caused water to accumulate here I don’t know.

Does anyone know what the valve/stopcock is in this bilge compartment or offer any advice?

many thanks in advance

Lucy and Chris
Starfish HIN 238 Super Maramu 2000
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Re: Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

Thomas Peacock
 

I have earned a PhD in the subject of water in the bilge next to the forward head. 
If you don’t see any obvious egress from the hoses there, then the most likely source is the bow thruster. If you are sure that it isn’t there, I would then check the anchor wash pump and its connections. Both those areas drain down into that bilge. 
 Other possibilities include the forward air conditioner condensate and plumbing related to the sink. 
In my case, it was all four of those, each solved one at a time. 

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Martinique

On Dec 30, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Lucy Pearce sv Starfish via Groups.Io <lucyannepearce@...> wrote:

Hi

We have found a fair amount of water in the bilge compartment under the hallway between the forward head and cabin.(where the depth sounder and speed gauge are located)

The toilet pump has stopped working, whether this is because of the water in there, or whether a broken pump has caused water to accumulate here I don’t know.

Does anyone know what the valve/stopcock is in this bilge compartment or offer any advice?

many thanks in advance

Lucy and Chris
Starfish HIN 238 Super Maramu 2000
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Re: Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

Paul Brown
 

Feel under all the hoses and fittings, perhaps there’s a leak there, process of elimination 

Regards, Paul - Fortuna II A55/17

On 31 Dec 2019, at 13:11, Lucy Pearce sv Starfish via Groups.Io <lucyannepearce@...> wrote:

Hi

We have found a fair amount of water in the bilge compartment under the hallway between the forward head and cabin.(where the depth sounder and speed gauge are located)

The toilet pump has stopped working, whether this is because of the water in there, or whether a broken pump has caused water to accumulate here I don’t know.

Does anyone know what the valve/stopcock is in this bilge compartment or offer any advice?

many thanks in advance

Lucy and Chris
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Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

Lucy Pearce sv Starfish
 

Hi

We have found a fair amount of water in the bilge compartment under the hallway between the forward head and cabin.(where the depth sounder and speed gauge are located)

The toilet pump has stopped working, whether this is because of the water in there, or whether a broken pump has caused water to accumulate here I don’t know.

Does anyone know what the valve/stopcock is in this bilge compartment or offer any advice?

many thanks in advance

Lucy and Chris
Starfish HIN 238 Super Maramu 2000

Re: Damp in Sharki aft Cabin bulkhead

Giorgio Ardrizzi
 

Hi Mark, it is one of the problems of that series of boats. In the holes under the mizzen tends to stagnate the water and after years there are infiltrations that wet the whole balsa sandwich and also the bulkhead of the aft cabin.
The best thing is to eliminate the rotten part and rebuild the bottom using epoxy resin and fiberglass.
To work well, make an opening in the lower part, under the original hole.  I attach photos.  The same goes for the three lockers below which often have the same problem.

Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Rainer Huthmacher
 

Hi Volker,
My email is thelastoneever@...

On 30. Dec 2019, at 16:03, Volker <Puchta@...> wrote:

Hi Rainer,
which Windpilot do you have installed? Would be great if you can share a picture.
Thank's
Volker Puchta
MickMoon Sharki#176

measures of the propeller pin / AMEL 54 or Super Maramu

Alexander Ramseyer
 

I'm looking to get a new pin for my propeller shaft. Alban from AMEL in Martinique wants to make one, but doesn't have the measures. Does any of you, dear Amelean, have one in spare or a plan / know the measures? The Super Maramu and 54 have the same shaft / pin. 

Wish you all a happy new year and fair winds for the rest of the year..
Alex

Damp in Sharki aft Cabin bulkhead

marklesparkle59
 

Has any other Sharki owner experienced moisture getting into the aft cabin bulkhead from the mizzen pockets? How did you deal with it?

Mark Porter
Sea Hobo
Sharki 96

Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Volker
 

Hi Bill,
good recommentation. Thank you very much.
This may be the easiest way. Just have to find some of the old parts on the market.

Best Regards,
Volker Puchta
MickMoon Sharki#176

Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Volker
 

Hi Rainer,
which Windpilot do you have installed? Would be great if you can share a picture.
Thank's
Volker Puchta
MickMoon Sharki#176

Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Volker
 

Hi Warren,
the autopilot drive is connected to the steering wheel. It is a rotary drive from Autohelm and was installed originally by Amel when MickMoon was build in 1989.
This autopilot does work quite well with some limitations on strong winds and wave from the back. The more modern autopilots will do much better as they do have modern motion sensors and better software.
Regards,
Volker Puchta
MickMoon Sharki#176

Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Rainer Huthmacher
 

On my Sharki I use a Windpilot with it’s own rudder...not cheap, but after 2 years it’s some of the best money I spent.
My Neco is also 40 years old and still works perfect but I like the Windpilot for its quietness and no need for electricity plus it gives me an emergency rudder ....
Rainer
Sharki#82 Rock’n Roll
Currently in Fuerteventura 

On 30. Dec 2019, at 14:39, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:


Hi Warren, of course a pilot mounted on the wheel will never have the power of a fixed one installed on the rudder.  However, I still have his original Neco driver who is not kidding in terms of power, although the electronics are 40 years old, so quite stupid!
The Navico is mounted sideways and does not create problems with the bulkhead. You have to test based on the pilot you want to buy.
I use it as a reserve in the event of an emergency going by motor, if unfortunately the Neco breaks.  When sailing, I use the wind vane which has all the power and sensitivity I need on any occasion.  However, what I can tell you is that the Sharki is a well balanced and light boat at the helm and if you hoist the right sail, even a pilot on the wheel could get along quite well.  However, if you intend to face big journeys you must have a powerful and reliable pilot and not just a pilot on the wheel.

Il Dom 29 Dic 2019, 19:41 Warren Traill <trailz@...> ha scritto:

Hi Giorgio. I also own a Sharki. I've been sailing with no autopilot for some years now in SE Asian waters. I am seriously considering a wheel mounted pilot but am constantly advised that they would be unsuitable for a vessel of the size of the Sharki and also because of the close proximity of the wheel to the bulk head.
Can you advise me of the performance of your wheel mounted pilot?
And any comments from other s would also be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Warren Traill
Manon2
Sharki#15

On 30 Dec 2019 1:33 a.m., Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:
On my Sharki I installed a Windpilot that also works as an emergency rudder. No problem with mizzen.  Then I also have a Navico electronic pilot installed externally on the steering wheel.
The idea of ​​having all the spare parts of a Raymarine seems good, but a friend of mine this year during the crossing from Cabo Verde to Martinique broke the wheel rack and had to helm a SM for 1300 miles with the emergency bar!
If you don't want to install a wind pilot I highly recommend you try installing a Raymarine directly on the rudder.
Best
Giorgio Ardrizzi - Sharki # 1
In Prickly Bay, Grenada


Il Dom 29 Dic 2019, 11:34 Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> ha scritto:
I belive the mitzen boom will end with the deck it is no problem to insal a wind vane on my old euros 39 it was instalt one an sailomat 3040
If you like the salilomat sen me a mail
Best Elja
SM 222

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Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

martin haméline
 

Hi warren,
What Windvane do you use?
Was just looking at a monitor ..
Cheers
Martin Hameline 


On Dec 30, 2019, at 9:39 AM, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:


Hi Warren, of course a pilot mounted on the wheel will never have the power of a fixed one installed on the rudder.  However, I still have his original Neco driver who is not kidding in terms of power, although the electronics are 40 years old, so quite stupid!
The Navico is mounted sideways and does not create problems with the bulkhead. You have to test based on the pilot you want to buy.
I use it as a reserve in the event of an emergency going by motor, if unfortunately the Neco breaks.  When sailing, I use the wind vane which has all the power and sensitivity I need on any occasion.  However, what I can tell you is that the Sharki is a well balanced and light boat at the helm and if you hoist the right sail, even a pilot on the wheel could get along quite well.  However, if you intend to face big journeys you must have a powerful and reliable pilot and not just a pilot on the wheel.

Il Dom 29 Dic 2019, 19:41 Warren Traill <trailz@...> ha scritto:

Hi Giorgio. I also own a Sharki. I've been sailing with no autopilot for some years now in SE Asian waters. I am seriously considering a wheel mounted pilot but am constantly advised that they would be unsuitable for a vessel of the size of the Sharki and also because of the close proximity of the wheel to the bulk head.
Can you advise me of the performance of your wheel mounted pilot?
And any comments from other s would also be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Warren Traill
Manon2
Sharki#15

On 30 Dec 2019 1:33 a.m., Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:
On my Sharki I installed a Windpilot that also works as an emergency rudder. No problem with mizzen.  Then I also have a Navico electronic pilot installed externally on the steering wheel.
The idea of ​​having all the spare parts of a Raymarine seems good, but a friend of mine this year during the crossing from Cabo Verde to Martinique broke the wheel rack and had to helm a SM for 1300 miles with the emergency bar!
If you don't want to install a wind pilot I highly recommend you try installing a Raymarine directly on the rudder.
Best
Giorgio Ardrizzi - Sharki # 1
In Prickly Bay, Grenada


Il Dom 29 Dic 2019, 11:34 Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> ha scritto:
I belive the mitzen boom will end with the deck it is no problem to insal a wind vane on my old euros 39 it was instalt one an sailomat 3040
If you like the salilomat sen me a mail
Best Elja
SM 222

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Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Giorgio Ardrizzi
 


Il Dom 29 Dic 2019, 19:41 Warren Traill <trailz@...> ha scritto:

Hi Giorgio. I also own a Sharki. I've been sailing with no autopilot for some years now in SE Asian waters. I am seriously considering a wheel mounted pilot but am constantly advised that they would be unsuitable for a vessel of the size of the Sharki and also because of the close proximity of the wheel to the bulk head.
Can you advise me of the performance of your wheel mounted pilot?
And any comments from other s would also be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Warren Traill
Manon2
Sharki#15

On 30 Dec 2019 1:33 a.m., Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:
On my Sharki I installed a Windpilot that also works as an emergency rudder. No problem with mizzen.  Then I also have a Navico electronic pilot installed externally on the steering wheel.
The idea of ​​having all the spare parts of a Raymarine seems good, but a friend of mine this year during the crossing from Cabo Verde to Martinique broke the wheel rack and had to helm a SM for 1300 miles with the emergency bar!
If you don't want to install a wind pilot I highly recommend you try installing a Raymarine directly on the rudder.
Best
Giorgio Ardrizzi - Sharki # 1
In Prickly Bay, Grenada


Il Dom 29 Dic 2019, 11:34 Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> ha scritto:
I belive the mitzen boom will end with the deck it is no problem to insal a wind vane on my old euros 39 it was instalt one an sailomat 3040
If you like the salilomat sen me a mail
Best Elja
SM 222

Von meinem iPhone gesendet




Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Giorgio Ardrizzi
 

Hi Warren, of course a pilot mounted on the wheel will never have the power of a fixed one installed on the rudder.  However, I still have his original Neco driver who is not kidding in terms of power, although the electronics are 40 years old, so quite stupid!
The Navico is mounted sideways and does not create problems with the bulkhead. You have to test based on the pilot you want to buy.
I use it as a reserve in the event of an emergency going by motor, if unfortunately the Neco breaks.  When sailing, I use the wind vane which has all the power and sensitivity I need on any occasion.  However, what I can tell you is that the Sharki is a well balanced and light boat at the helm and if you hoist the right sail, even a pilot on the wheel could get along quite well.  However, if you intend to face big journeys you must have a powerful and reliable pilot and not just a pilot on the wheel.

Il Dom 29 Dic 2019, 19:41 Warren Traill <trailz@...> ha scritto:

Hi Giorgio. I also own a Sharki. I've been sailing with no autopilot for some years now in SE Asian waters. I am seriously considering a wheel mounted pilot but am constantly advised that they would be unsuitable for a vessel of the size of the Sharki and also because of the close proximity of the wheel to the bulk head.
Can you advise me of the performance of your wheel mounted pilot?
And any comments from other s would also be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Warren Traill
Manon2
Sharki#15

On 30 Dec 2019 1:33 a.m., Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:
On my Sharki I installed a Windpilot that also works as an emergency rudder. No problem with mizzen.  Then I also have a Navico electronic pilot installed externally on the steering wheel.
The idea of ​​having all the spare parts of a Raymarine seems good, but a friend of mine this year during the crossing from Cabo Verde to Martinique broke the wheel rack and had to helm a SM for 1300 miles with the emergency bar!
If you don't want to install a wind pilot I highly recommend you try installing a Raymarine directly on the rudder.
Best
Giorgio Ardrizzi - Sharki # 1
In Prickly Bay, Grenada


Il Dom 29 Dic 2019, 11:34 Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> ha scritto:
I belive the mitzen boom will end with the deck it is no problem to insal a wind vane on my old euros 39 it was instalt one an sailomat 3040
If you like the salilomat sen me a mail
Best Elja
SM 222

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Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Gerhard Mueller
 

My Sharki has still the original equipped Neco 392 autopilot. The best autopilot I ever have seen and used. It works even with wind and waves from backwards when most autopilots fails and gave up. Sadly the Neco are not manufactured anymore. When you see a used one for selling buy it.


--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Warren Traill
 

Hi Giorgio. I also own a Sharki. I've been sailing with no autopilot for some years now in SE Asian waters. I am seriously considering a wheel mounted pilot but am constantly advised that they would be unsuitable for a vessel of the size of the Sharki and also because of the close proximity of the wheel to the bulk head.
Can you advise me of the performance of your wheel mounted pilot?
And any comments from other s would also be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Warren Traill
Manon2
Sharki#15

On 30 Dec 2019 1:33 a.m., Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:
On my Sharki I installed a Windpilot that also works as an emergency rudder. No problem with mizzen.  Then I also have a Navico electronic pilot installed externally on the steering wheel.
The idea of ​​having all the spare parts of a Raymarine seems good, but a friend of mine this year during the crossing from Cabo Verde to Martinique broke the wheel rack and had to helm a SM for 1300 miles with the emergency bar!
If you don't want to install a wind pilot I highly recommend you try installing a Raymarine directly on the rudder.
Best
Giorgio Ardrizzi - Sharki # 1
In Prickly Bay, Grenada


Il Dom 29 Dic 2019, 11:34 Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> ha scritto:
I belive the mitzen boom will end with the deck it is no problem to insal a wind vane on my old euros 39 it was instalt one an sailomat 3040
If you like the salilomat sen me a mail
Best Elja
SM 222

Von meinem iPhone gesendet




Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Giorgio Ardrizzi
 

On my Sharki I installed a Windpilot that also works as an emergency rudder. No problem with mizzen.  Then I also have a Navico electronic pilot installed externally on the steering wheel.
The idea of ​​having all the spare parts of a Raymarine seems good, but a friend of mine this year during the crossing from Cabo Verde to Martinique broke the wheel rack and had to helm a SM for 1300 miles with the emergency bar!
If you don't want to install a wind pilot I highly recommend you try installing a Raymarine directly on the rudder.
Best
Giorgio Ardrizzi - Sharki # 1
In Prickly Bay, Grenada


Il Dom 29 Dic 2019, 11:34 Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> ha scritto:
I belive the mitzen boom will end with the deck it is no problem to insal a wind vane on my old euros 39 it was instalt one an sailomat 3040
If you like the salilomat sen me a mail
Best Elja
SM 222

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Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

I belive the mitzen boom will end with the deck it is no problem to insal a wind vane on my old euros 39 it was instalt one an sailomat 3040
If you like the salilomat sen me a mail
Best Elja
SM 222

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