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Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Aras <aras.grinius@...>
 

On my Sharki I have a Simrad AP28 CONTROLLER, RAYMARINE MOTOR mounted just above in the galley. It came with the boat. I also had a 2nd unit which was a RAYMARINE 3000 wheel mount.

I trashed the 3000. The mount interfered with helmsman, and was only good in calm conditions.

Re: Damp in Sharki aft Cabin bulkhead

rob dillmann
 

We had the same problem with our Mango. The source was water ingress through the mizzen, following the cables of the radar and the vhf. These pass through an opening in the bulkhead and can be inspected by removing the mirror in the aft heads. Possibly this is the same in the sharki.
Regards,
Rob Dillmann
Westwind Amel Mango 43

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 1 jan. 2020 om 01:18 heeft Warren Traill <trailz@...> het volgende geschreven:



Yes we have that problem. And have tried waterweld in the corners of each cavity. It has made a difference.
However now that we are in monsoon season the water ingress has increased.
I am now considering fitting  a lid to the top cavity to reduce the water intake.
Also I am now wondering if it's possible that water could be entering the bulkhead through the inside of the mast. Is this possible?
I'll be following this subject with great interest.

On 31 Dec 2019 1:31 a.m., marklesparkle59 <marklesparkle59@...> wrote:
Has any other Sharki owner experienced moisture getting into the aft cabin bulkhead from the mizzen pockets? How did you deal with it?

Mark Porter
Sea Hobo
Sharki 96

Re: Damp in Sharki aft Cabin bulkhead

Warren Traill
 

Yes we have that problem. And have tried waterweld in the corners of each cavity. It has made a difference.
However now that we are in monsoon season the water ingress has increased.
I am now considering fitting  a lid to the top cavity to reduce the water intake.
Also I am now wondering if it's possible that water could be entering the bulkhead through the inside of the mast. Is this possible?
I'll be following this subject with great interest.

On 31 Dec 2019 1:31 a.m., marklesparkle59 <marklesparkle59@...> wrote:
Has any other Sharki owner experienced moisture getting into the aft cabin bulkhead from the mizzen pockets? How did you deal with it?

Mark Porter
Sea Hobo
Sharki 96

Re: Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

You and me too Alan.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 31 December 2019 at 21:32 Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

YES check all the hoses and connections, of course.
I'm very curious to know what goes on in that compartment!
What's the black seacock for?
And the yellow/black hose and the orange thingy and the black bizzo with the wires attached.
The only things I recognise are the white hose and the speed and depth xdcrs!
Cheers...and Happy New Year !
Alan
Elyse
SM437

Re: Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

 

Lucy & Chris,

More than likely the water accumulation is because the bow thruster needs servicing with tube seal replacements, or you have sailed the boat without using the locking pin to secure the bow thruster in the UP position, or maybe you sailed with the bow thruster in the DOWN position. Whatever the cause, the accumulated water is likely not the only thing you need to address. Things like seals, rust on the base of the motor, and possibly a bow thruster tube frozen to the base of the motor. I don't mean to scare you, but you probably need some help. 

Maybe we should discuss this. I offer 1 hour of consulting at no cost to you: 1 hour free consulting Let me know. brouse@... 

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 5:59 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
You can buy in-expensive battery powered water alarms from Amazon.  Place one in this compartment and you will get a quick reminder when you leave the bow thruster down, un-pinned or the seals no longer keep the water out. 

If you really bash into the waves for a while, some sea water may be forced past the bow thruster seals even when they keep it out in other conditions. 

Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 8:11 PM Lucy Pearce sv Starfish via Groups.Io <lucyannepearce=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io wrote:
Hi

We have found a fair amount of water in the bilge compartment under the hallway between the forward head and cabin.(where the depth sounder and speed gauge are located)

The toilet pump has stopped working, whether this is because of the water in there, or whether a broken pump has caused water to accumulate here I don’t know.

Does anyone know what the valve/stopcock is in this bilge compartment or offer any advice?

many thanks in advance

Lucy and Chris
Starfish HIN 238 Super Maramu 2000

Re: Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

Dan Carlson
 

You can buy in-expensive battery powered water alarms from Amazon.  Place one in this compartment and you will get a quick reminder when you leave the bow thruster down, un-pinned or the seals no longer keep the water out. 

If you really bash into the waves for a while, some sea water may be forced past the bow thruster seals even when they keep it out in other conditions. 

Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 8:11 PM Lucy Pearce sv Starfish via Groups.Io <lucyannepearce=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io wrote:
Hi

We have found a fair amount of water in the bilge compartment under the hallway between the forward head and cabin.(where the depth sounder and speed gauge are located)

The toilet pump has stopped working, whether this is because of the water in there, or whether a broken pump has caused water to accumulate here I don’t know.

Does anyone know what the valve/stopcock is in this bilge compartment or offer any advice?

many thanks in advance

Lucy and Chris
Starfish HIN 238 Super Maramu 2000

Re: Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

Ian Park <sunbeat2@...>
 

The seacock should be the sea water intake for the toilet. If you have closed the sea cock the pump won’t work.
The black and yellow tubing looks like fresh water pipe work with a pump and in line filter......?
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

Mark Erdos
 

Is it fresh water or salt-water?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lucy Pearce sv Starfish via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 10:11 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

 

Hi

We have found a fair amount of water in the bilge compartment under the hallway between the forward head and cabin.(where the depth sounder and speed gauge are located)

The toilet pump has stopped working, whether this is because of the water in there, or whether a broken pump has caused water to accumulate here I don’t know.

Does anyone know what the valve/stopcock is in this bilge compartment or offer any advice?

many thanks in advance

Lucy and Chris
Starfish HIN 238 Super Maramu 2000

Re: Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

Alan Leslie
 

YES check all the hoses and connections, of course.
I'm very curious to know what goes on in that compartment!
What's the black seacock for?
And the yellow/black hose and the orange thingy and the black bizzo with the wires attached.
The only things I recognise are the white hose and the speed and depth xdcrs!
Cheers...and Happy New Year !
Alan
Elyse
SM437

Re: Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

karkauai
 

Sorry to hear you’re having water in your bilge, Lucy&Chris.

Tom is right on all counts, fortunately it has been rare for others to have the sink plumbing failures...here are a couple other tips:
EverySM owner has experienced this at some time in his/her ownership.  The vast majority of the time it is the bow thruster.  If the water tastes salty, that’s almost certainly the problem.  If not, a leak from the anchor wash pump.  If it’s not salty, condensate from the forward AC that gets out of the pan (it’s supposed to drain into the grey water piping), or a leak in the shower or sink plumbing.

Be sure to clean and rinse the bilge well, so that you’ll be able to do the “taste test” the next time you find water there.

The seacock in the bilge there is where sea water enters the head and the anchor wash.

Another thing you will find is that when heeled over some of that water will slosh over the stringers where it is unreachable.  The next time you’re heeled over some will slosh back into that part of the bilge again.  Per Danny’s wise recommendation, I keep an old towel there to catch that sloshed water until it isn’t showing up any more.

If it is the most-likely bow thruster, there are good posts and files here that will help you adjust the up- limit of the thruster (if you’re lucky that’s all you’ll have to do), and change the seals.
Be sure to raise the thruster before you motor or sail at more than a knot or two, as that can deform the lip seal around the carbon fiber tube that houses the shaft and exits the boat.  Other than age (most change the oil and seals every 2 years at haulout for bottom painting) I think forgetting to raise the thruster is likely the cause of leaking.

Happy New Year to All!!!

Kent & Iris
S/V Kristy SM 243
Palm Beach, FL, heading S after NY

On Dec 30, 2019, at 9:36 PM, Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:

I have earned a PhD in the subject of water in the bilge next to the forward head. 
If you don’t see any obvious egress from the hoses there, then the most likely source is the bow thruster. If you are sure that it isn’t there, I would then check the anchor wash pump and its connections. Both those areas drain down into that bilge. 
 Other possibilities include the forward air conditioner condensate and plumbing related to the sink. 
In my case, it was all four of those, each solved one at a time. 

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Martinique

On Dec 30, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Lucy Pearce sv Starfish via Groups.Io <lucyannepearce@...> wrote:

Hi

We have found a fair amount of water in the bilge compartment under the hallway between the forward head and cabin.(where the depth sounder and speed gauge are located)

The toilet pump has stopped working, whether this is because of the water in there, or whether a broken pump has caused water to accumulate here I don’t know.

Does anyone know what the valve/stopcock is in this bilge compartment or offer any advice?

many thanks in advance

Lucy and Chris
Starfish HIN 238 Super Maramu 2000
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Re: Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

Thomas Peacock
 

I have earned a PhD in the subject of water in the bilge next to the forward head. 
If you don’t see any obvious egress from the hoses there, then the most likely source is the bow thruster. If you are sure that it isn’t there, I would then check the anchor wash pump and its connections. Both those areas drain down into that bilge. 
 Other possibilities include the forward air conditioner condensate and plumbing related to the sink. 
In my case, it was all four of those, each solved one at a time. 

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Martinique

On Dec 30, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Lucy Pearce sv Starfish via Groups.Io <lucyannepearce@...> wrote:

Hi

We have found a fair amount of water in the bilge compartment under the hallway between the forward head and cabin.(where the depth sounder and speed gauge are located)

The toilet pump has stopped working, whether this is because of the water in there, or whether a broken pump has caused water to accumulate here I don’t know.

Does anyone know what the valve/stopcock is in this bilge compartment or offer any advice?

many thanks in advance

Lucy and Chris
Starfish HIN 238 Super Maramu 2000
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Re: Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

Paul Brown
 

Feel under all the hoses and fittings, perhaps there’s a leak there, process of elimination 

Regards, Paul - Fortuna II A55/17

On 31 Dec 2019, at 13:11, Lucy Pearce sv Starfish via Groups.Io <lucyannepearce@...> wrote:

Hi

We have found a fair amount of water in the bilge compartment under the hallway between the forward head and cabin.(where the depth sounder and speed gauge are located)

The toilet pump has stopped working, whether this is because of the water in there, or whether a broken pump has caused water to accumulate here I don’t know.

Does anyone know what the valve/stopcock is in this bilge compartment or offer any advice?

many thanks in advance

Lucy and Chris
Starfish HIN 238 Super Maramu 2000<E36695DD-E9FC-42C4-B7BC-BA7952715AC4.jpeg>

Super Maramu 2000 - Water in bilge hall way compartment

Lucy Pearce sv Starfish
 

Hi

We have found a fair amount of water in the bilge compartment under the hallway between the forward head and cabin.(where the depth sounder and speed gauge are located)

The toilet pump has stopped working, whether this is because of the water in there, or whether a broken pump has caused water to accumulate here I don’t know.

Does anyone know what the valve/stopcock is in this bilge compartment or offer any advice?

many thanks in advance

Lucy and Chris
Starfish HIN 238 Super Maramu 2000

Re: Damp in Sharki aft Cabin bulkhead

Giorgio Ardrizzi
 

Hi Mark, it is one of the problems of that series of boats. In the holes under the mizzen tends to stagnate the water and after years there are infiltrations that wet the whole balsa sandwich and also the bulkhead of the aft cabin.
The best thing is to eliminate the rotten part and rebuild the bottom using epoxy resin and fiberglass.
To work well, make an opening in the lower part, under the original hole.  I attach photos.  The same goes for the three lockers below which often have the same problem.

Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Rainer Huthmacher
 

Hi Volker,
My email is thelastoneever@...

On 30. Dec 2019, at 16:03, Volker <Puchta@...> wrote:

Hi Rainer,
which Windpilot do you have installed? Would be great if you can share a picture.
Thank's
Volker Puchta
MickMoon Sharki#176

measures of the propeller pin / AMEL 54 or Super Maramu

Alexander Ramseyer
 

I'm looking to get a new pin for my propeller shaft. Alban from AMEL in Martinique wants to make one, but doesn't have the measures. Does any of you, dear Amelean, have one in spare or a plan / know the measures? The Super Maramu and 54 have the same shaft / pin. 

Wish you all a happy new year and fair winds for the rest of the year..
Alex

Damp in Sharki aft Cabin bulkhead

marklesparkle59
 

Has any other Sharki owner experienced moisture getting into the aft cabin bulkhead from the mizzen pockets? How did you deal with it?

Mark Porter
Sea Hobo
Sharki 96

Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Volker
 

Hi Bill,
good recommentation. Thank you very much.
This may be the easiest way. Just have to find some of the old parts on the market.

Best Regards,
Volker Puchta
MickMoon Sharki#176

Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Volker
 

Hi Rainer,
which Windpilot do you have installed? Would be great if you can share a picture.
Thank's
Volker Puchta
MickMoon Sharki#176

Re: Recommentation for Sharki second autopilot

Volker
 

Hi Warren,
the autopilot drive is connected to the steering wheel. It is a rotary drive from Autohelm and was installed originally by Amel when MickMoon was build in 1989.
This autopilot does work quite well with some limitations on strong winds and wave from the back. The more modern autopilots will do much better as they do have modern motion sensors and better software.
Regards,
Volker Puchta
MickMoon Sharki#176