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Re: SM galley Faucet very hot.

JOSE PRIETO
 
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Guys,

Thanks for your advices.
I'm living on board the boat in Alicante - Spain.

Cheers

Jose Prieto SY Wayag SM323

Re: Propshaft alternator on 1985 Mango

Gerhard Mueller
 


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Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: Propshaft alternator on 1985 Mango

Gerhard Mueller
 

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 11:42 PM, Kaplan,Andre wrote:
As a Mango owner, I’m interested to know how you engage the alternator? Do you put the gearshift into forward or reverse while sailing? I understand there may be a difference depending on Model and year of the boat 
How much power do you generate when sailing?
Who did the rebuild for you?
Thanks for any insights you can share
Andre Kaplan
Renaissance 2000
Mango 71, 1988

 
 
 My Sharki from 1982 has a sticker near the gear shift level saying not to have the level in forward position and engine off while sailing.
Using the propshaft alternator the level must be in neutral position.
I have an instrument panel for the propshaft alternator with a switch key, an indicator lamp and an amp meter above the corridor to the aft cabine.
Depending the state of the battery the amp meter shows during sailing with about 6 knots 8 to 10 amps.
The propshaft alternator is a 40 Amps 12V Bosch type.
Rebuilding such an alternator does any good car repair shop for electric equippment.
The regulator is a cheap part you can buy at every car shop.


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Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: New companionway lock source

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi JP. You will need to take your key to mobile locksmith kaitaia.

Regards

Danny

On 04 January 2020 at 17:58 Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hey Danny,

Happy New Year.

Good to know regarding key blanks; I need 2 more keys

JPG
Jean-Pierre Germain



On 4 Jan 2020, at 17:55, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

I got mine done by the Kaitaia locksmith in New Zealand. He inovatively had to grind a bit to extend the blank. Worked well.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 04 January 2020 at 17:43 Drew Gaffney < drew.gaffney@...> wrote:

We have been able to obtain key copies in several countries including the US.  Bring an original key and take it to a good hardware store or locksmith.
Drew 
SV REVELATION SM390
Lying Carloforte, Sardinia


 


 

Re: SM galley Faucet very hot.

Richard Colebatch
 

Hi Brent,

How did your last Amel trip go?  I think I am right aren't I?

Rgds

Richard



On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 4:34 PM Brent Cameron <brentcameron61@...> wrote:
I had a very similar situation to that one time in my house…. I woke up one morning to find that the water in the toilet bowl was steaming!  Thankfully, I realized it before splashing myself.  It turned out to be the mixing valve in the shower that allowed hot water to go back around to the cold side - they need to have very nearly equal pressure on both sides or they can act up apparently.  Anyway, I couldn’t change the valve without destroying the tile so installed check valves in the supply lines to them which solved the problem.  It’s been working fine for 22 years since then with no more unintentionally sterilized toilet bowls.
On Jan 3, 2020, 6:21 PM -0500, Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...>, wrote:
This sounds like a brain-teaser offered up by a radio show.

However, I will bite. On the surface of things, it makes no sense. The water tank temperature should be about what the water temperature of your sea water is. I hope it’s not due to global warming!

The route from the water tank to the pump is quite short, also quite short from the pump to your sink. Your engine room might make water a little warm in the pipes, but not that much. My best guess is that the mixing mechanism in the faucet is broken. However, that would not explain why the filtered water is also hot. 

So I’m stumped. What I would do is turn the water pump off, depressurize the system, and then disconnect the cold water hose from the faucet, under the sink. Turn the water pump back on, with a bucket to catch the water. See if it’s cold, if so, then replace the faucet. If hot, then trace it back and make sure somebody didn’t alter the hoses. 

You’re not by any chance in the Bermuda Triangle?

Sorry for my poor attempts at humor, I do believe your description. It’s just a bit of a stumper.

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Martinique


On Jan 3, 2020, at 5:26 PM, JOSE PRIETO <prietomd11@...> wrote:

Hello guys,
I have a problem that maybe some of you have already had, and can help me.
When using the kitchen faucet, my wife complained that the water was too hot, even in the position that she always used the mixer handle.
I went to check and realized that the water was really very hot regardless the tap handle position. I also verify that the hot water was returning through the cold water pipe.
I checked the filtered tap on the side and it was also coming out of hot water (supposedly it should only be cold).
Only after some time with the tap handle in the cold position did the water return to normal (cold), but it was enough to return to the intermediate position that the water overheated and the cold water pipe became hot again.
Any suggestion?
Thank you in advance.

Jose Prieto SY Wayag SM323



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Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada

Re: SM galley Faucet very hot.

Brent Cameron
 

I had a very similar situation to that one time in my house…. I woke up one morning to find that the water in the toilet bowl was steaming!  Thankfully, I realized it before splashing myself.  It turned out to be the mixing valve in the shower that allowed hot water to go back around to the cold side - they need to have very nearly equal pressure on both sides or they can act up apparently.  Anyway, I couldn’t change the valve without destroying the tile so installed check valves in the supply lines to them which solved the problem.  It’s been working fine for 22 years since then with no more unintentionally sterilized toilet bowls.

On Jan 3, 2020, 6:21 PM -0500, Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...>, wrote:
This sounds like a brain-teaser offered up by a radio show.

However, I will bite. On the surface of things, it makes no sense. The water tank temperature should be about what the water temperature of your sea water is. I hope it’s not due to global warming!

The route from the water tank to the pump is quite short, also quite short from the pump to your sink. Your engine room might make water a little warm in the pipes, but not that much. My best guess is that the mixing mechanism in the faucet is broken. However, that would not explain why the filtered water is also hot. 

So I’m stumped. What I would do is turn the water pump off, depressurize the system, and then disconnect the cold water hose from the faucet, under the sink. Turn the water pump back on, with a bucket to catch the water. See if it’s cold, if so, then replace the faucet. If hot, then trace it back and make sure somebody didn’t alter the hoses. 

You’re not by any chance in the Bermuda Triangle?

Sorry for my poor attempts at humor, I do believe your description. It’s just a bit of a stumper.

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Martinique


On Jan 3, 2020, at 5:26 PM, JOSE PRIETO <prietomd11@...> wrote:

Hello guys,
I have a problem that maybe some of you have already had, and can help me.
When using the kitchen faucet, my wife complained that the water was too hot, even in the position that she always used the mixer handle.
I went to check and realized that the water was really very hot regardless the tap handle position. I also verify that the hot water was returning through the cold water pipe.
I checked the filtered tap on the side and it was also coming out of hot water (supposedly it should only be cold).
Only after some time with the tap handle in the cold position did the water return to normal (cold), but it was enough to return to the intermediate position that the water overheated and the cold water pipe became hot again.
Any suggestion?
Thank you in advance.

Jose Prieto SY Wayag SM323



--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada

Re: New companionway lock source

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hey Danny,

Happy New Year.

Good to know regarding key blanks; I need 2 more keys

JPG
Jean-Pierre Germain



On 4 Jan 2020, at 17:55, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

I got mine done by the Kaitaia locksmith in New Zealand. He inovatively had to grind a bit to extend the blank. Worked well.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 04 January 2020 at 17:43 Drew Gaffney <drew.gaffney@...> wrote:

We have been able to obtain key copies in several countries including the US.  Bring an original key and take it to a good hardware store or locksmith.
Drew 
SV REVELATION SM390
Lying Carloforte, Sardinia

Re: New companionway lock source

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

I got mine done by the Kaitaia locksmith in New Zealand. He inovatively had to grind a bit to extend the blank. Worked well.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 04 January 2020 at 17:43 Drew Gaffney <drew.gaffney@...> wrote:

We have been able to obtain key copies in several countries including the US.  Bring an original key and take it to a good hardware store or locksmith.
Drew 
SV REVELATION SM390
Lying Carloforte, Sardinia

Re: New companionway lock source

Drew Gaffney
 

We have been able to obtain key copies in several countries including the US.  Bring an original key and take it to a good hardware store or locksmith.
Drew 
SV REVELATION SM390
Lying Carloforte, Sardinia

Re: SM galley Faucet very hot.

Thomas Peacock
 

This sounds like a brain-teaser offered up by a radio show.

However, I will bite. On the surface of things, it makes no sense. The water tank temperature should be about what the water temperature of your sea water is. I hope it’s not due to global warming!

The route from the water tank to the pump is quite short, also quite short from the pump to your sink. Your engine room might make water a little warm in the pipes, but not that much. My best guess is that the mixing mechanism in the faucet is broken. However, that would not explain why the filtered water is also hot. 

So I’m stumped. What I would do is turn the water pump off, depressurize the system, and then disconnect the cold water hose from the faucet, under the sink. Turn the water pump back on, with a bucket to catch the water. See if it’s cold, if so, then replace the faucet. If hot, then trace it back and make sure somebody didn’t alter the hoses. 

You’re not by any chance in the Bermuda Triangle?

Sorry for my poor attempts at humor, I do believe your description. It’s just a bit of a stumper.

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Martinique


On Jan 3, 2020, at 5:26 PM, JOSE PRIETO <prietomd11@...> wrote:

Hello guys,
I have a problem that maybe some of you have already had, and can help me.
When using the kitchen faucet, my wife complained that the water was too hot, even in the position that she always used the mixer handle.
I went to check and realized that the water was really very hot regardless the tap handle position. I also verify that the hot water was returning through the cold water pipe.
I checked the filtered tap on the side and it was also coming out of hot water (supposedly it should only be cold).
Only after some time with the tap handle in the cold position did the water return to normal (cold), but it was enough to return to the intermediate position that the water overheated and the cold water pipe became hot again.
Any suggestion?
Thank you in advance.

Jose Prieto SY Wayag SM323


Re: SM galley Faucet very hot.

Mark Erdos
 

Jose,

 

I can offer a little bit of help, but not much. My first guess would be the mixing valve in the kitchen faucet is bad. As the water gets hotter and expands in the hot water tank the hot water side pressure is going to be greater than the cold water side. It might be possible the water is pushing into the cold side via the kitchen faucet. This would make sense why it returns to normal once you run it for a little while. It also explains why your filtered water is hot since it is connected to the same cold water supply pipe under the sink.

 

We changed all of our sink faucets a couple of years ago so I no longer have the originals and cannot share much more than theory. Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

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Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] SM galley Faucet very hot.

 

Hello guys,

I have a problem that maybe some of you have already had, and can help me.

When using the kitchen faucet, my wife complained that the water was too hot, even in the position that she always used the mixer handle.

I went to check and realized that the water was really very hot regardless the tap handle position. I also verify that the hot water was returning through the cold water pipe.
I checked the filtered tap on the side and it was also coming out of hot water (supposedly it should only be cold).

Only after some time with the tap handle in the cold position did the water return to normal (cold), but it was enough to return to the intermediate position that the water overheated and the cold water pipe became hot again.

Any suggestion?

Thank you in advance.

Jose Prieto SY Wayag SM323

Re: Propshaft alternator on 1985 Mango

Kaplan,Andre
 

As a Mango owner, I’m interested to know how you engage the alternator? Do you put the gearshift into forward or reverse while sailing? I understand there may be a difference depending on Model and year of the boat 
How much power do you generate when sailing?
Who did the rebuild for you?
Thanks for any insights you can share
Andre Kaplan
Renaissance 2000
Mango 71, 1988


On Jan 3, 2020, at 4:59 PM, Arlo <svplanb@...> wrote:


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Hello all. Thought I would pass this info along to my fellow Mango and Maramu owners. (Not sure about the sharki or others)...Had my propshaft alternator rebuilt and a new regulator installed. The alternator is a motorola 9MR-2-814-0 20 amp 12 volt unit. The voltage regulator is not the original but we were able to get a motorola M5-763 regulator to work. Pictures are below.
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SM galley Faucet very hot.

JOSE PRIETO
 

Hello guys,
I have a problem that maybe some of you have already had, and can help me.
When using the kitchen faucet, my wife complained that the water was too hot, even in the position that she always used the mixer handle.
I went to check and realized that the water was really very hot regardless the tap handle position. I also verify that the hot water was returning through the cold water pipe.
I checked the filtered tap on the side and it was also coming out of hot water (supposedly it should only be cold).
Only after some time with the tap handle in the cold position did the water return to normal (cold), but it was enough to return to the intermediate position that the water overheated and the cold water pipe became hot again.
Any suggestion?
Thank you in advance.

Jose Prieto SY Wayag SM323

Re: Mango vs Meltem

Arlo
 

We have a 1985 Mango. No aft bulkhead unless you consider the one between the aft head and the engine room.

Propshaft alternator on 1985 Mango

Arlo
 

Hello all. Thought I would pass this info along to my fellow Mango and Maramu owners. (Not sure about the sharki or others)...Had my propshaft alternator rebuilt and a new regulator installed. The alternator is a motorola 9MR-2-814-0 20 amp 12 volt unit. The voltage regulator is not the original but we were able to get a motorola M5-763 regulator to work. Pictures are below.

Re: New companionway lock source

Arlo
 

The lock that was in use I was able to find a keyblank for and had spares made, but naturally that was the lock that broke...

Re: New companionway lock source

Arlo
 

Thanks for all the replies. I plan to visit the aboved referenced store in Miami during my next trip there. I have a spare lock but that is the one where the key has been difficult to find. All of the locksmiths I visited were true locksmiths and had walls of blanks...

Re: Warning about the foot of middle (removable) stanchion of lifeline/railing at the stern (Amel 54)

Peter Forbes
 

Dear Arno,

Thank you - a very good and useful report.

Peter
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In La Rochelle

On 3 Jan 2020, at 16:21, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

Dear forum,

I discovered some water ingress in the rear locker of the boat and traced it back to failing sealant under the foot of the removable stanchion. So I removed the foot to discover a bit of sloppy work from Amel.
The hole goes trough the sandwich-deck leaving the balsa core exposed. The protection with caulking is insufficient as the three bolts that hold the foot cannot hold the foot completely in place as the sandwich flexes around the hole (compression of the balsa) ever so slightly. After some years this will cause the caulking to loose its seal and water will get to the balsa core.
On the long run this will have very bad consequences for the deck.

To remedy this I remove all caulking and removed the balsa core as far as I could between the two glass-fiber layers (about 3 or 4 cm deep). This also clears the three bolt-holes. Next I made sure it dried out completely, Impregnated the cavity as best I could with thin epoxy. After the epoxy set I filled the cavity completely with thickened epoxy. After this epoxy was set I re-drilled the boltholes. Finally I replaced the stanchion-foot with some Sikaflex. Because the boltholes are now in massive material you can properly tighten them, making the foot more stable and making the life for the caulking easier.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121

Mango vs Meltem

Daniel Alexander Thompson
 

Hello

I'd very much appreciate if anybody might offer input regarding the following:

Do the Meltems have the same bulkhead configuration as the SMs?

Do the Mangos have an aft cabin bulkhead?

What mileage might a Meltem do,  on the same course and day that a Mango does 170 miles?

Any disadvantages for a Meltem vs a Mango as a live aboard Bluewater cruiser?

My very best regards





Warning about the foot of middle (removable) stanchion of lifeline/railing at the stern (Amel 54)

Arno Luijten
 

Dear forum,

I discovered some water ingress in the rear locker of the boat and traced it back to failing sealant under the foot of the removable stanchion. So I removed the foot to discover a bit of sloppy work from Amel.
The hole goes trough the sandwich-deck leaving the balsa core exposed. The protection with caulking is insufficient as the three bolts that hold the foot cannot hold the foot completely in place as the sandwich flexes around the hole (compression of the balsa) ever so slightly. After some years this will cause the caulking to loose its seal and water will get to the balsa core.
On the long run this will have very bad consequences for the deck.

To remedy this I remove all caulking and removed the balsa core as far as I could between the two glass-fiber layers (about 3 or 4 cm deep). This also clears the three bolt-holes. Next I made sure it dried out completely, Impregnated the cavity as best I could with thin epoxy. After the epoxy set I filled the cavity completely with thickened epoxy. After this epoxy was set I re-drilled the boltholes. Finally I replaced the stanchion-foot with some Sikaflex. Because the boltholes are now in massive material you can properly tighten them, making the foot more stable and making the life for the caulking easier.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121