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URGENT Help Needed - RPM Issues

ericmeury <ericmeury@...>
 

hello, i'm helping kent bring his SM hull number 243 to richmond via bahamas. We are currently at the docks in ft lauderdale.

Kent sailed the boat from tx to ft laurdale and was only able to acheive a max of 1600 rpm.

Based upon previous experience and all the posts Ray Eaton was convinced that it was the turbo. Ray took the turbo off the boat had some part was broken and need to be replaced. The turbo was fixed and cleaned, so no carbon issues.

Also the prop ws cleaned before he left texas. So the probability that it is the prop is not high either. We haven't dove in yet to check but i do plan to do that on monday.

We are only able to do 1250 RPM under load. Engine doesn't smoke at all btw.

The Raycor's have also been cleaned.

Clearly this is an issue with these engines and most of the problem is related to carbon build up. After tracing the above and finding no problems, where do we go from here... injectors? fuel pump? and also any easy way to check.

Thank you.


Re: [Amel] shaft driven alternator

Dave_Benjamin
 

Ettore and Silvana,

You are defying the laws of physics and hydrodynamics if you really think the shaft alternator does not slow the boat down. In fact the turning propeller acts almost like a disc. It generated more resistance than it would if it was stationary. I would use one if it was already installed but I would not go out of my way to install a speed brake like that. There are some solutions in the form of a unit that is deployed from the transom. One of my neighbors used one to and from Hawaii and it generated electricity quite well.

--- On Sun, 5/3/09, Arca di Noè <arcadinoesailing@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Arca di Noè <arcadinoesailing@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] shaft driven alternator
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 9:43 AM

















Hi David and Hazel,



We use the shaft driven alternator in our Mango with much satisfaction.

No reduction the speed on sailing.

It will give 7/9 amp when running at 7/8 knots.

It don't works down 4 knots.

Very very important: if you have Hurth gearbox or similar, is imperative to

run the motor half our every 12 ours, to lubricate the gearbox because r

shaft running isn't enaugh to lubricate the interior of the gearbox: if the

motor is not on, is easy to break the interior disks of the gearbox.



Now our Mango is independent for the electriciy of Marina: 2 solar panel

and 1 wind generator is perfectly.



With 15/20 wind knots We have cooking the pizza in the electric four at

220v!!!



Ettore & Silvana of Arca di Noè



----- Original Message -----

From: "David and Hazel Worthington" <spritoaffine@ yahoo.co. uk>

To: <amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com>

Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 1:43 PM

Subject: [Amel] shaft driven alternator



Hi All
Due to the charges being imposed by marina operators now for electricity
in the Med I have been considering various options to allow free battery
charging
Our rattly Max Prop needs rebuilding and I was wondering about replacing
it with a standard fixed prop in order to use the propshaft alternator but
am concerned about loss of speed and increase in noise when sailing, does
anyone still use their prop driven alternator or has everyone turned to
solar and wind power instead. I understand we would need a 19 inch prop
but am not sure whether the 13 mentioned is inches or degrees of pitch.
Our aft cabin is too noisy to sleep in on passage due to propshaft/cutless
bearing noise even after replacing the cutless bearing, is this normal?
Also would we go backwards straighter with the Max Prop or a fixed prop?
we don't have a bow thruster
Your opinions would be appreciated
David and Hazel Sharki 148
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Re: Secteur Blanc Davids

rossirossix4
 

I think the web site is http://www.secteurblanc.fr/

Bob, Brittany de la Mer

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "svbebe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

You can contact Franck at secteurblanc"at"aol.com.

Secteurblanc made custom drapries and throw pillow covers for #387 and also cockpit cushions and a really good shade cover that was custom fitted between the main and mizzen


Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe SM2 #387


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "ralph.heilig" <ralph.heilig@> wrote:

Craig

thank you for the fast response! I'm going to La Rochelle on Wednesday. I'm in the final selection of the Equipment.

Currently I have few open points I want to discuss with AMEL:

1) Iridium Sat Phone installation
2) External WLAN Antenna
3) Mastcamera (pan/tilt/zoom)

Ralph


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "sv_seabbatical" <sv.lonestar@> wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "ralph.heilig" <ralph.heilig@> wrote:

Can someone tell me what manufactorer and type this davits is. I awaiting a new 54 so I'm interested into this solution as an alternative for the Simpson. Also what weight it can carry.

Is there a www link with more technical details? I did not find it on the web.

Thanks

Ralph
Ralph,
The web address is www.secteurblanc.com but I do not think the web sight is working. If you have trouble connecting via the web you should email Franck Chive at Secteur Blanc. His email is "secteurblanc@". I had them look after our boat in La Rochelle last winter and they did an excellent job.
Craig
Lone Star - Amel 54 #101


Re: Secteur Blanc Davids

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

You can contact Franck at secteurblanc"at"aol.com.

Secteurblanc made custom drapries and throw pillow covers for #387 and also cockpit cushions and a really good shade cover that was custom fitted between the main and mizzen


Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "ralph.heilig" <ralph.heilig@...> wrote:

Craig

thank you for the fast response! I'm going to La Rochelle on Wednesday. I'm in the final selection of the Equipment.

Currently I have few open points I want to discuss with AMEL:

1) Iridium Sat Phone installation
2) External WLAN Antenna
3) Mastcamera (pan/tilt/zoom)

Ralph


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "sv_seabbatical" <sv.lonestar@> wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "ralph.heilig" <ralph.heilig@> wrote:

Can someone tell me what manufactorer and type this davits is. I awaiting a new 54 so I'm interested into this solution as an alternative for the Simpson. Also what weight it can carry.

Is there a www link with more technical details? I did not find it on the web.

Thanks

Ralph
Ralph,
The web address is www.secteurblanc.com but I do not think the web sight is working. If you have trouble connecting via the web you should email Franck Chive at Secteur Blanc. His email is "secteurblanc@". I had them look after our boat in La Rochelle last winter and they did an excellent job.
Craig
Lone Star - Amel 54 #101


Re: [Amel] shaft driven alternator

Arca di Noè
 

Hi David and Hazel,

We use the shaft driven alternator in our Mango with much satisfaction.
No reduction the speed on sailing.
It will give 7/9 amp when running at 7/8 knots.
It don't works down 4 knots.
Very very important: if you have Hurth gearbox or similar, is imperative to run the motor half our every 12 ours, to lubricate the gearbox because r shaft running isn't enaugh to lubricate the interior of the gearbox: if the motor is not on, is easy to break the interior disks of the gearbox.

Now our Mango is independent for the electriciy of Marina: 2 solar panel and 1 wind generator is perfectly.

With 15/20 wind knots We have cooking the pizza in the electric four at 220v!!!

Ettore & Silvana of Arca di No

----- Original Message -----
From: "David and Hazel Worthington" <spritoaffine@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 1:43 PM
Subject: [Amel] shaft driven alternator


Hi All
Due to the charges being imposed by marina operators now for electricity in the Med I have been considering various options to allow free battery charging

Our rattly Max Prop needs rebuilding and I was wondering about replacing it with a standard fixed prop in order to use the propshaft alternator but am concerned about loss of speed and increase in noise when sailing, does anyone still use their prop driven alternator or has everyone turned to solar and wind power instead. I understand we would need a 19 inch prop but am not sure whether the 13 mentioned is inches or degrees of pitch. Our aft cabin is too noisy to sleep in on passage due to propshaft/cutless bearing noise even after replacing the cutless bearing, is this normal? Also would we go backwards straighter with the Max Prop or a fixed prop? we don't have a bow thruster
Your opinions would be appreciated
David and Hazel Sharki 148



------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links




Re: [Amel] shaft driven alternator

Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@...>
 

I use my shaft driven alternator and generally get 6 to 8 amps at 6 or 7 knots. Little if any noise in the aft stateroom, and I don't notice any reduction in speed. I have run with the trans locked out in a steady wind measured the speed, then released it with no change. Solar power is really limited. The largest array only puts out about 7 amps, and that is if the panel is cool, and only between about 11:00am and 3:00pm on an average day from May through September northern hemisphere. I am in California and I average closer to 4.5 amps., from about 10:00am to 5:00pm. Be sure you have a controller installed, because the panel will discharge at night if you don't. Never tried a wind generator, but it looks attractive.
 
Eric Maramu 105

--- On Fri, 5/1/09, David and Hazel Worthington <spritoaffine@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: David and Hazel Worthington <spritoaffine@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Amel] shaft driven alternator
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 4:43 AM








Hi All
Due to the charges being imposed by marina operators now for electricity in the Med I have been considering various options to allow free battery charging

Our rattly Max Prop needs rebuilding and I was wondering about replacing it with a standard fixed prop in order to use the propshaft alternator but am concerned about loss of speed and increase in noise when sailing, does anyone still use their prop driven alternator or has everyone turned to solar and wind power instead. I understand we would need a 19 inch prop but am not sure whether the 13 mentioned is inches or degrees of pitch. Our aft cabin is too noisy to sleep in on passage due to propshaft/cutless bearing noise even after replacing the cutless bearing, is this normal? Also would we go backwards straighter with the Max Prop or a fixed prop? we don't have a bow thruster
Your opinions would be appreciated
David and Hazel Sharki 148
















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Re: Secteur Blanc Davids

Ralph Heilig
 

Craig

thank you for the fast response! I'm going to La Rochelle on Wednesday. I'm in the final selection of the Equipment.

Currently I have few open points I want to discuss with AMEL:

1) Iridium Sat Phone installation
2) External WLAN Antenna
3) Mastcamera (pan/tilt/zoom)

Ralph

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "sv_seabbatical" <sv.lonestar@...> wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "ralph.heilig" <ralph.heilig@> wrote:

Can someone tell me what manufactorer and type this davits is. I awaiting a new 54 so I'm interested into this solution as an alternative for the Simpson. Also what weight it can carry.

Is there a www link with more technical details? I did not find it on the web.

Thanks

Ralph
Ralph,
The web address is www.secteurblanc.com but I do not think the web sight is working. If you have trouble connecting via the web you should email Franck Chive at Secteur Blanc. His email is "secteurblanc@...". I had them look after our boat in La Rochelle last winter and they did an excellent job.
Craig
Lone Star - Amel 54 #101


Re: Secteur Blanc Davids

Craig Scott
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "ralph.heilig" <ralph.heilig@...> wrote:

Can someone tell me what manufactorer and type this davits is. I awaiting a new 54 so I'm interested into this solution as an alternative for the Simpson. Also what weight it can carry.

Is there a www link with more technical details? I did not find it on the web.

Thanks

Ralph
Ralph,
The web address is www.secteurblanc.com but I do not think the web sight is working. If you have trouble connecting via the web you should email Franck Chive at Secteur Blanc. His email is "secteurblanc@aol.com". I had them look after our boat in La Rochelle last winter and they did an excellent job.
Craig
Lone Star - Amel 54 #101


Re: Secteur Blanc Davids

Ralph Heilig
 

Can someone tell me what manufactorer and type this davits is. I awaiting a new 54 so I'm interested into this solution as an alternative for the Simpson. Also what weight it can carry.

Is there a www link with more technical details? I did not find it on the web.

Thanks

Ralph


Polar Performance file for SM2 users of Maxsea

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

There have been several unfulfilled requests on this site for a Polar Performance file for Maxsea users. I uploaded Amel SM2.pol to the files section.

A Polar Performance file will enable Maxsea users to estimate waypoints to a route within time parameters (Start Time), Starting and Ending waypoints, and wind (grib file) conditions.

I think it is a fairly good guide to use in passage planning, but of course it is only as accurate as the wind (grib file), the Polar file and your personal abilities. Again, I made this Polar file based on estimates of the Super Maramu speed over water at certain true wind speeds and true wind angles.

I included relative wind and speed at 180 degrees relative, so if you do not use the double head sail, this file will not help you with a good estimate if your grib file includes winds between P150 and S150 relative.


You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/files/Amel%20SM2.pol

Best,

Bill
S/V BeBe, SM2 - #387


New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

amelyachtowners@...
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amelyachtowners
group.

File : /Amel SM2.pol
Uploaded by : svbebe <yahoogroups@svbebe.com>
Description : Polar file (estimated by BeBe) for Super Maramu to be used with Maxsea

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/files/Amel%20SM2.pol

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles

Regards,

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Re: shaft driven alternator

rossirossix4
 

I use my shaft alternator on my Santorin. Doesn't give me anything below about 4 kts but at 5 kts+ it will give me 5-7 amps haven't ever tried to determine what the max is--might have been 9 or 10. Using GPS that will easliy read 1/10 kt, I have not noticed a reduction in speed when I am allowing my prop to rotate and drive the alternator.

Might be debatable as to whether it is worth the wear and tear on the transmission and the propshaft seal, but it runs at a relatively low rpm.

Bob
Brittany de la Mer

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin" <dave_benjamin@...> wrote:

I would rebuild the Max-Prop before changing to a fixed prop and shaft generator. A large fixed prop is a huge performance hit that will probably cost you about a knot of boatspeed or more on account of the braking effect of a fixed prop coupled with the fact it's turning a generator. The boat backs better with a Max-Prop on account of the way the blades change pitch and direction. That's another nice thing about a Max Prop.
If the high cost of shorepower is the issue I'm not sure how the shaft gen would help since you would not be running the engine in gear at the marina to generate power. Have you ever seen those little Honda "suitcase style" generators? They are quiet and would be an easy way to recharge batteries. I have never been to the Med but I would assume solar is a good way to go there.
Depending on how long you plan to stay in the Med you may find that any of these expenditures would not be cost effective as it would take quite some time to recoup the savings compared to shorepower.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "David and Hazel Worthington" <spritoaffine@> wrote:

Hi All
Due to the charges being imposed by marina operators now for electricity in the Med I have been considering various options to allow free battery charging

Our rattly Max Prop needs rebuilding and I was wondering about replacing it with a standard fixed prop in order to use the propshaft alternator but am concerned about loss of speed and increase in noise when sailing, does anyone still use their prop driven alternator or has everyone turned to solar and wind power instead. I understand we would need a 19 inch prop but am not sure whether the 13 mentioned is inches or degrees of pitch. Our aft cabin is too noisy to sleep in on passage due to propshaft/cutless bearing noise even after replacing the cutless bearing, is this normal? Also would we go backwards straighter with the Max Prop or a fixed prop? we don't have a bow thruster
Your opinions would be appreciated
David and Hazel Sharki 148


Re: shaft driven alternator

Dave_Benjamin
 

I would rebuild the Max-Prop before changing to a fixed prop and shaft generator. A large fixed prop is a huge performance hit that will probably cost you about a knot of boatspeed or more on account of the braking effect of a fixed prop coupled with the fact it's turning a generator. The boat backs better with a Max-Prop on account of the way the blades change pitch and direction. That's another nice thing about a Max Prop.
If the high cost of shorepower is the issue I'm not sure how the shaft gen would help since you would not be running the engine in gear at the marina to generate power. Have you ever seen those little Honda "suitcase style" generators? They are quiet and would be an easy way to recharge batteries. I have never been to the Med but I would assume solar is a good way to go there.
Depending on how long you plan to stay in the Med you may find that any of these expenditures would not be cost effective as it would take quite some time to recoup the savings compared to shorepower.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "David and Hazel Worthington" <spritoaffine@...> wrote:

Hi All
Due to the charges being imposed by marina operators now for electricity in the Med I have been considering various options to allow free battery charging

Our rattly Max Prop needs rebuilding and I was wondering about replacing it with a standard fixed prop in order to use the propshaft alternator but am concerned about loss of speed and increase in noise when sailing, does anyone still use their prop driven alternator or has everyone turned to solar and wind power instead. I understand we would need a 19 inch prop but am not sure whether the 13 mentioned is inches or degrees of pitch. Our aft cabin is too noisy to sleep in on passage due to propshaft/cutless bearing noise even after replacing the cutless bearing, is this normal? Also would we go backwards straighter with the Max Prop or a fixed prop? we don't have a bow thruster
Your opinions would be appreciated
David and Hazel Sharki 148


Re: electronic equipment for my new amel 54

blumherbert48 <blumherbert48@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Frederiks" <rogerfrederiks@...> wrote:

Hi Herbert

Further to what others already have said, I can add a bit more, based on my own experience with the 54, since taking delivery last September.

I would definitely recommend going for the Navnet 3D plotter. Whilst I agree that the 3D stuff is a little "gimmicky", the plotter comes into its own when using the radar display. This is the latest generation ultra high resolution digital radar technology and really does make an amazing difference compared with older, analogue radar displays. Another big advantage of the Navnet 3D radar is that you can display 2 different radar images on the same page. For example, you can have the radar set at 1NM and at a longer range, say 6NM, both on the same display. These two can then also be combined with the usual navigation page. The whole lot on one display page. That's an awful lot of very useful information on one page!

When I specified the electronic options for Poespas, I went for an additional Navnet 3D plotter at the helm station. Amel fit it in a custom made cabinet and it does really look very neat and tidy.

Be sure you confirm with Amel that they fit a second, additional GPS antenna. In my case I wasn't aware of this, and my Navnet 3D installation is fed with the NMEA GPS outputs from the standard Furuno GP150. At least that way you'll have 2 entirely separate GPS systems.

I use Maxsea TimeZero software for planning trips. I can connect my laptop to the Navnet 3D network using a standard network cable, plugged into the Furuno hub. That way you can transfer your prepared routes and waypoints to Navnet, and vice versa. If you go for the Explorer version, your laptop can serve as a chart server. This basically means that you do not have to install the same electronic charts on both your laptop AND on your Navnet. However, for this to work you need to have your laptop running all the time of course! Maxsea TimeZero is currently at version 1.6.1 and it now has the aforementioned chart server capability as well as a built-in automatic logbook function. Although heaven forbid that I should abandon the good old chart table logbook or give up on the more traditional methods of navigation! ;-)

Yes, it is true that Maxsea TimeZero and Navnet 3D use proprietary electronic charts, unlike the older Navnet 2 and Maxsea which can take a variety of different brands of electronic charts. Hence it is a more expensive solution than hitherto was the case. However, coverage is worldwide and for most regions you have a choice of raster or vector charts. The Maxsea vector charts (based on the Navionics ones) are updated once a year I believe.

As to AIS, Poespas has the Furuno FA30 AIS receiver installed and integrated within Navnet 3D. I would definitely recommend going this route. AIS is a godsend when navigating near or in busy shipping lanes and it greatly improves your situational awareness, certainly with regards to what other shipping (over 300 gross tonnes) is up to!
The FA30 is always on whenever the nav instruments are switched on, but its current consumption is a fairly modest 0.6A. It does not have a separate on/off switch.
At the time when my system was fitted, Furuno did not yet have their FA50 AIS transponder available. I believe Amel now have it on the options list. The specs state it uses 1A at 24V DC. No on/off switch on this either, mind you. I would have gone for this if it had been available at the time. I did ask Amel if they could fit a separate Digitalyacht AIT250 AIS transponder but was told it would not fit in the cabinet above the chart table. This unit is less than half the price of the FA50 and the specs state is has an average power consumption of 4W at 12V DC. Another advantage of this transponder is that it has a separate off switch for the transmitter. It might still be worth asking Amel about this, or talk to Stéphane Génitaux at Pochon. He's the chap responsible for fitting the electronic equipment to Amels.

I didn't go for the Furuno FAX30 fax/navtex receiver since I have an Icom M801 SSB transceiver, hooked up to a Pactor modem. This way, and by using Mscan Meteo software on my laptop, I can receive all the weather faxes and navtex messages I require.

I don't yet have much experience with satellite phones but most people seem to go for a portable Iridium phone. You could always specify they fit a cradle for the Motorola phone at the chart table, connected to an external aerial. That way you can use your Iridium phone both outdoors and at the chart table. It is certainly something I am seriously considering before setting off for the wild blue yonder.
If you are only going to use your Amel in the Mediterranean I would also seriously consider the Thuraya system.

One other thing you might consider is the second Icom VHF option. Amel will fit a socket next to the engine control so that you can plug in the Icom CommandMic and that way have access to your VHF whilst in the cockpit. Most useful!

As to a good free source of weather grib files, I have been happy with www.grib.us

I trust this is of help. Good luck. Just one more year before you take delivery. It will be a long year! ;-)

Roger

s/y Poespas Amel 54 #104


"blumherbert48" wrote:

Hello together,

I am awaiting the delivery of my new amel 54 in spring 2010 and I have to define the equipment.

Standardequipment is :

- B&G Hydra 3000 at navstation and repeaters in the cockpit
- 1 GPS Furuno GP 150
- 1 VHF Icom 505
- 1 autopilot Furuno 511
- 1 radar Furuno 1832 M
- AM/FM CD PLayer

I would like to update it with:

- Radar/Plotter Navnet 2 or Navnet 3D
- Satellite telephon Immarsat or Iridium which one is better?
- Furuno FAX - 30 FAX/Navtex
- Furuno AIS Reciever

What do you think about adding an additional MaxSea software with a laptop ?

I am especially interested in good weather forcasts (gripfiles)

I intend to navigate in the mediterranean sea.

Thanks for proposals and experiences

Herbert
Hi Roger,

thanks a lot for your very helpful advice

Herbert


Re: electronic equipment for my new amel 54

Roger Frederiks <rogerfrederiks@...>
 

Hi Herbert

Further to what others already have said, I can add a bit more, based on my own experience with the 54, since taking delivery last September.

I would definitely recommend going for the Navnet 3D plotter. Whilst I agree that the 3D stuff is a little "gimmicky", the plotter comes into its own when using the radar display. This is the latest generation ultra high resolution digital radar technology and really does make an amazing difference compared with older, analogue radar displays. Another big advantage of the Navnet 3D radar is that you can display 2 different radar images on the same page. For example, you can have the radar set at 1NM and at a longer range, say 6NM, both on the same display. These two can then also be combined with the usual navigation page. The whole lot on one display page. That's an awful lot of very useful information on one page!

When I specified the electronic options for Poespas, I went for an additional Navnet 3D plotter at the helm station. Amel fit it in a custom made cabinet and it does really look very neat and tidy.

Be sure you confirm with Amel that they fit a second, additional GPS antenna. In my case I wasn't aware of this, and my Navnet 3D installation is fed with the NMEA GPS outputs from the standard Furuno GP150. At least that way you'll have 2 entirely separate GPS systems.

I use Maxsea TimeZero software for planning trips. I can connect my laptop to the Navnet 3D network using a standard network cable, plugged into the Furuno hub. That way you can transfer your prepared routes and waypoints to Navnet, and vice versa. If you go for the Explorer version, your laptop can serve as a chart server. This basically means that you do not have to install the same electronic charts on both your laptop AND on your Navnet. However, for this to work you need to have your laptop running all the time of course! Maxsea TimeZero is currently at version 1.6.1 and it now has the aforementioned chart server capability as well as a built-in automatic logbook function. Although heaven forbid that I should abandon the good old chart table logbook or give up on the more traditional methods of navigation! ;-)

Yes, it is true that Maxsea TimeZero and Navnet 3D use proprietary electronic charts, unlike the older Navnet 2 and Maxsea which can take a variety of different brands of electronic charts. Hence it is a more expensive solution than hitherto was the case. However, coverage is worldwide and for most regions you have a choice of raster or vector charts. The Maxsea vector charts (based on the Navionics ones) are updated once a year I believe.

As to AIS, Poespas has the Furuno FA30 AIS receiver installed and integrated within Navnet 3D. I would definitely recommend going this route. AIS is a godsend when navigating near or in busy shipping lanes and it greatly improves your situational awareness, certainly with regards to what other shipping (over 300 gross tonnes) is up to!
The FA30 is always on whenever the nav instruments are switched on, but its current consumption is a fairly modest 0.6A. It does not have a separate on/off switch.
At the time when my system was fitted, Furuno did not yet have their FA50 AIS transponder available. I believe Amel now have it on the options list. The specs state it uses 1A at 24V DC. No on/off switch on this either, mind you. I would have gone for this if it had been available at the time. I did ask Amel if they could fit a separate Digitalyacht AIT250 AIS transponder but was told it would not fit in the cabinet above the chart table. This unit is less than half the price of the FA50 and the specs state is has an average power consumption of 4W at 12V DC. Another advantage of this transponder is that it has a separate off switch for the transmitter. It might still be worth asking Amel about this, or talk to Stéphane Génitaux at Pochon. He's the chap responsible for fitting the electronic equipment to Amels.

I didn't go for the Furuno FAX30 fax/navtex receiver since I have an Icom M801 SSB transceiver, hooked up to a Pactor modem. This way, and by using Mscan Meteo software on my laptop, I can receive all the weather faxes and navtex messages I require.

I don't yet have much experience with satellite phones but most people seem to go for a portable Iridium phone. You could always specify they fit a cradle for the Motorola phone at the chart table, connected to an external aerial. That way you can use your Iridium phone both outdoors and at the chart table. It is certainly something I am seriously considering before setting off for the wild blue yonder.
If you are only going to use your Amel in the Mediterranean I would also seriously consider the Thuraya system.

One other thing you might consider is the second Icom VHF option. Amel will fit a socket next to the engine control so that you can plug in the Icom CommandMic and that way have access to your VHF whilst in the cockpit. Most useful!

As to a good free source of weather grib files, I have been happy with www.grib.us

I trust this is of help. Good luck. Just one more year before you take delivery. It will be a long year! ;-)

Roger

s/y Poespas Amel 54 #104


"blumherbert48" wrote:


Hello together,

I am awaiting the delivery of my new amel 54 in spring 2010 and I have to define the equipment.

Standardequipment is :

- B&G Hydra 3000 at navstation and repeaters in the cockpit
- 1 GPS Furuno GP 150
- 1 VHF Icom 505
- 1 autopilot Furuno 511
- 1 radar Furuno 1832 M
- AM/FM CD PLayer

I would like to update it with:

- Radar/Plotter Navnet 2 or Navnet 3D
- Satellite telephon Immarsat or Iridium which one is better?
- Furuno FAX - 30 FAX/Navtex
- Furuno AIS Reciever

What do you think about adding an additional MaxSea software with a laptop ?

I am especially interested in good weather forcasts (gripfiles)

I intend to navigate in the mediterranean sea.

Thanks for proposals and experiences

Herbert


shaft driven alternator

David and Hazel Worthington <spritoaffine@...>
 

Hi All
Due to the charges being imposed by marina operators now for electricity in the Med I have been considering various options to allow free battery charging

Our rattly Max Prop needs rebuilding and I was wondering about replacing it with a standard fixed prop in order to use the propshaft alternator but am concerned about loss of speed and increase in noise when sailing, does anyone still use their prop driven alternator or has everyone turned to solar and wind power instead. I understand we would need a 19 inch prop but am not sure whether the 13 mentioned is inches or degrees of pitch. Our aft cabin is too noisy to sleep in on passage due to propshaft/cutless bearing noise even after replacing the cutless bearing, is this normal? Also would we go backwards straighter with the Max Prop or a fixed prop? we don't have a bow thruster
Your opinions would be appreciated
David and Hazel Sharki 148


Parasailor

Armin <n4796p@...>
 

Hi all!

Has anybody experience sailing with a Parasailor, especially on SM?
How did you manage it? Using 4 lines without the poles or 2 lines with 2 or 1 pole(s).
Which size do you have?
Until which relative wind speed and relative direction do you use it?
Which blocks do you use?

Best regards
Armin
SM357


Re: Secteur Blanc Davids

Roger Frederiks <rogerfrederiks@...>
 

That's the stern arch ("portique") manufactured in aluminium by Teck Inox based in the Minimes marina. It has integrated davits, and in collaboration with Nautic Elec they can fit solar panels as well as a wind generator to it.

I agree it's more pleasing to the eye than the Simpson davits Amel offer as an option. Certainly more versatile also. Amel will recommend this solution if you really insist on having different davits as well as solar panels.

I gather in this case 4 x 150W Lorentz 24V solar panels are fitted on top of the arch. On a hinge, so that they can be aimed more to the sun. It also has 2 separate Eclectic Energy D400 wind gennies. Admittedly an awesome amount of alternative energy available, but, judging from the pics, that's a lot of weight and windage up there.

Personally, I am also going for this stern arch solution when I next get back to La Rochelle, but probably with fewer solar panels and only one wind generator.

As to wind generators, does anyone in this group have experience with the Air X Marine genny, fitted with the separately available blades from silentwindgenerator.com in Portugal? Apparently, they are far less noisy than the standard blades.

By the way, Laurens and Rineke, my condolences to all those in Apeldoorn, Holland who were affected by the terrible incident during "koninginnedag" (Queen's Day) yesterday.

Fair winds

Roger

s/y Poespas Amel 54 #104

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Laurens & Rineke" <laurens@...> wrote:

Hi

Just added some pictures of the Secteur Blanc davits on the 54
To our opinion they more in line with the boat than the davits offered by Amel. Only the solar panels are disturbing the nice lines of the arch.

More fun with Amel

Fun@Sea


Re: Head discharge hose clogged with calcification

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

I solved our aft head calcification problem and performed the same service on our fwd head. I have added photos, a sketch of the holding tank and the steps I followed in servicing these heads to the photo album titled "Head Service."

You should be able to link to it at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1980087538/pic/list?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc

I deleted my one previous photo in this album.

Click on "Large" for the best view.

Best,

Bill
S/V BeBe - SM2 - #387


Re: Head discharge hose clogged with calcification

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

We did not know we had a problem with calcified deposits in the Aft head discharge line until it clogged completely.

The first indication that the hoses were calcified happened when I pulled on the 25mm hose and heard a cracking.

I removed the 25mm hose from the back of the toilet and pulled it through the lower shelf area. I loosened the hose clamp on the 38mm hose and removed it from the bronze pipe at the base of the holding tank. Both hoses were completely calcified. I replaced the hoses and thought it was repaired. I reconnected everything, but it was still clogged with absolutely no discharge flow. I found the bronze pipe completely calcified.

This is a real problem to remedy because cleaning the bronze pipe will get the wool-lined storage area filthy. I had a shop vac nearby and started with my first cleaning tool which was a piece of 1" stainless tube that I cut teeth into one end and plugged the other end with a cork. This was a tough job and required lots of muscle power, but the tool worked and I cleared about 1 foot of the bronze pipe. Unfortunately my "tube-tool" was not long enough so I made my second tool out of a 2 foot length of stainless rigging wire. I crimped a small tube on one end leaving about 1 ½" of wire which I spread apart. On the other end I connected my electric drill. In a few minutes the job was complete. I shampooed the wool lining and put everything back together…works great. I am surprised at how much better it works than before.

I created a photo album titled "Head Service." You should be able to link to my photo of my tools described above at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1980087538/pic/1719045260/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Click on "Large" for the best view.

Best,

Bill
S/V BeBe - SM2 - #387