On Jan 24, 2020, at 11:29 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:



Courtney and Porter,

Agreed 100%. I could not have said it better. 

Almost a year ago, when we moved to the groups,io platform, we made it clear that our group included Amel owners and those interested in the Amel brand. Since then about half of the new members have been those interested in the Amel brand. A significant number of those new members interested in the Amel brand have bought either a new or used Amel. Of course, we all understand the benefits to Amel, Amel owners, and interested parties. 

We are working on a unique solution to the "commercial posting" issue which will satisfy both sides with a bonus for every member. Some of the details need some work before it is presented to the moderators for their consideration, but I am certain it will satisfy everyone.

Standby.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 9:51 AM Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

I agree with Porter But let’s self limit some of the strong opinions that get expressed especially those new non owners 

Sincerely 

Courtney 

svTrippin

54 #101

Grenada 🇬🇩 

On Jan 24, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

It was being a lurker on this forum years ago which confirmed, for me, that an Amel was the right boat for our family.  Now 3 years in and 20,000 miles later I’m  so thankful, not only for the fine vessel (A54-152) we own but also this incredible group of thoughtful and intelligent members.  My vote is to keep it open to those with Amel interests, not just owners. 

Porter McRoberts 

A54-152 IBIS. 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 

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On Jan 24, 2020, at 7:40 AM, Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 04:50 PM, David Cummane wrote:

Quite galling also to read non-amel owners inappropriately throwing their weight around.  Should the forum be restricted to owners only?

 

There isn't so much traffic on it that it bothers me. And any on here are probably looking to buy an amel, and as some of us are selling their amels, maybe allowing amel owners and serious wannabes is not such a bad thing. 

On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

It was being a lurker on this forum years ago which confirmed, for me, that an Amel was the right boat for our family.  Now 3 years in and 20,000 miles later I’m  so thankful, not only for the fine vessel (A54-152) we own but also this incredible group of thoughtful and intelligent members.  My vote is to keep it open to those with Amel interests, not just owners. 

Porter McRoberts 

A54-152 IBIS. 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 

Www.fouribis.com

On Jan 24, 2020, at 7:40 AM, Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 04:50 PM, David Cummane wrote:

Quite galling also to read non-amel owners inappropriately throwing their weight around.  Should the forum be restricted to owners only?

 

There isn't so much traffic on it that it bothers me. And any on here are probably looking to buy an amel, and as some of us are selling their amels, maybe allowing amel owners and serious wannabes is not such a bad thing. 

On Jan 24, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

It was being a lurker on this forum years ago which confirmed, for me, that an Amel was the right boat for our family.  Now 3 years in and 20,000 miles later I’m  so thankful, not only for the fine vessel (A54-152) we own but also this incredible group of thoughtful and intelligent members.  My vote is to keep it open to those with Amel interests, not just owners. 

Porter McRoberts 

A54-152 IBIS. 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 

Www.fouribis.com

On Jan 24, 2020, at 7:40 AM, Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 04:50 PM, David Cummane wrote:

Quite galling also to read non-amel owners inappropriately throwing their weight around.  Should the forum be restricted to owners only?

 

There isn't so much traffic on it that it bothers me. And any on here are probably looking to buy an amel, and as some of us are selling their amels, maybe allowing amel owners and serious wannabes is not such a bad thing. 

On Jan 24, 2020, at 7:40 AM, Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 04:50 PM, David Cummane wrote:

Quite galling also to read non-amel owners inappropriately throwing their weight around.  Should the forum be restricted to owners only?

 

There isn't so much traffic on it that it bothers me. And any on here are probably looking to buy an amel, and as some of us are selling their amels, maybe allowing amel owners and serious wannabes is not such a bad thing. 

On 23 Jan 2020, at 21:36, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

My 2 cents on this:

 

I prefer not to have my feed from this group junked up with people selling Amel shirts, books on Amel travels, blogs with Amel owners, video channels featuring Amels etc. 

 

While I’m sure Julie is a nice person and is passionate about her book, this is not the forum for self-promotion. She needs to establish a commercial fund to promote her book rather than trying the self promote “free” route at our expense. She can, at no-charge start a fan-club page on FaceBook, promote her page using paid ads and grow her membership. People wishing to follow her awaiting for the trilogy can do so. 

 

This is what is stated on the front page of our group:

This Group frowns on commercial postings, however we encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Pitt
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 5:54 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Crossing Pirate Waters

 

I am with Brian and most of the others in support of Julie's posting.  Her book is about sailing an Amel and that makes all of the difference.  I too would not have known about it without her first post many months ago. I bought her book and enjoyed reading it in part due to the Amel angle.

   Mark Pitt

Sabbatical III, SM#419

On 1/23/2020 4:48 PM, CW Bill Rouse wrote:

I do not think anyone argued the value of Julie's book. Some people wrote to me about it because they felt it was too commercial.  "Too" is in the mind of individuals i

 

We are currently working on a solution that will satisfy those for and against promoting commercial interests. We envision creating a sub-group for commercial postings that members would need to opt-in to the group.

 

I may be a few days or a few weeks.

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On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 10:57 AM Brian Riggs <7briggs@...> wrote:

I've got both books in my Amazon cart now, and I'm looking forward to reading them. I would have never known about these two books without the blurb on here. I'm throwing my hand up in support of this type of advertising as well. Everything else has already been said.

 

Cheer!

Brian Riggs

Future SM Owner

Hampton Roads Area

On 24 Jan 2020, at 08:36, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

My 2 cents on this:

 

I prefer not to have my feed from this group junked up with people selling Amel shirts, books on Amel travels, blogs with Amel owners, video channels featuring Amels etc. 

 

While I’m sure Julie is a nice person and is passionate about her book, this is not the forum for self-promotion. She needs to establish a commercial fund to promote her book rather than trying the self promote “free” route at our expense. She can, at no-charge start a fan-club page on FaceBook, promote her page using paid ads and grow her membership. People wishing to follow her awaiting for the trilogy can do so. 

 

This is what is stated on the front page of our group:

This Group frowns on commercial postings, however we encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Pitt
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 5:54 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Crossing Pirate Waters

 

I am with Brian and most of the others in support of Julie's posting.  Her book is about sailing an Amel and that makes all of the difference.  I too would not have known about it without her first post many months ago. I bought her book and enjoyed reading it in part due to the Amel angle.

   Mark Pitt

Sabbatical III, SM#419

On 1/23/2020 4:48 PM, CW Bill Rouse wrote:

I do not think anyone argued the value of Julie's book. Some people wrote to me about it because they felt it was too commercial.  "Too" is in the mind of individuals i

 

We are currently working on a solution that will satisfy those for and against promoting commercial interests. We envision creating a sub-group for commercial postings that members would need to opt-in to the group.

 

I may be a few days or a few weeks.

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View My Training Calendar <image003.jpg>

 

 

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 10:57 AM Brian Riggs <7briggs@...> wrote:

I've got both books in my Amazon cart now, and I'm looking forward to reading them. I would have never known about these two books without the blurb on here. I'm throwing my hand up in support of this type of advertising as well. Everything else has already been said.

 

Cheer!

Brian Riggs

Future SM Owner

Hampton Roads Area

I am with Brian and most of the others in support of Julie's posting.  Her book is about sailing an Amel and that makes all of the difference.  I too would not have known about it without her first post many months ago. I bought her book and enjoyed reading it in part due to the Amel angle.

   Mark Pitt

Sabbatical III, SM#419

I do not think anyone argued the value of Julie's book. Some people wrote to me about it because they felt it was too commercial.  "Too" is in the mind of individuals i

 

We are currently working on a solution that will satisfy those for and against promoting commercial interests. We envision creating a sub-group for commercial postings that members would need to opt-in to the group.

 

I may be a few days or a few weeks.

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	CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550  Website: www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 10:57 AM Brian Riggs <7briggs@...> wrote:

I've got both books in my Amazon cart now, and I'm looking forward to reading them. I would have never known about these two books without the blurb on here. I'm throwing my hand up in support of this type of advertising as well. Everything else has already been said.

 

Cheer!

Brian Riggs

Future SM Owner

Hampton Roads Area

I do not think anyone argued the value of Julie's book. Some people wrote to me about it because they felt it was too commercial.  "Too" is in the mind of individuals i

We are currently working on a solution that will satisfy those for and against promoting commercial interests. We envision creating a sub-group for commercial postings that members would need to opt-in to the group.

I may be a few days or a few weeks.

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	CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550  Website: www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com

View My Training Calendar

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 10:57 AM Brian Riggs <7briggs@...> wrote:

I've got both books in my Amazon cart now, and I'm looking forward to reading them. I would have never known about these two books without the blurb on here. I'm throwing my hand up in support of this type of advertising as well. Everything else has already been said.

Cheer!

Brian Riggs

Future SM Owner

Hampton Roads Area

Hi Matt , Thanks for letting us know what Amel have fitted to your boat , could you comment on how effective it is and in what situations you use it , ie berthed in  home  marina , visiting other marinas ,, in Europe or Elsewhere , Many Thanks ,  Micky Ball (Future Amel SM owner )

FWIW I appreciated the original post. I bought Julie's first book and will consider buying the sequel. I had some minor quibbles with the first book, but in general, it was a pleasant read. I should think it pertains to all of our interests (and benefits us by raising Amel's profile).

Not sure how this is any different from others advertising their Amel-adjacent pursuits.

Thanks all!

kelly + ryan

SM233 Iteration

Boston

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 9:33 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

The posting was removed, the person posting was talked to and their status set to "moderated."

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 1:33 AM Dave Ritten <daveritten@...> wrote:

I hate this spam advertising. It feels bad.

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Dave Ritten
Auckland
Prospective SM Owner

Ryan, I fully agree with you on this.  I also read her first book and found it quite interesting… especially the parts about buying the Amel  at the factory in La Rochelle and their very first experience in a Bay of Biscay storm taking it away and then learning more as they went on.  I don’t see any difference either with some of the other posts here as you suggest.  If it was a book about just sailing or something else and had no ties to Amel, then that would be different but, in my mind at least, it isn’t any different than other posters who loosely (in context) advertise their services or YouTube channels (which very often contain exactly the same kind of helpful advice as is found on these forums).  I do very much appreciate that we aren’t subjected to a lot of advertising here but a single post taking about a new book about a trip doing what many of us buy Amel’s for that took place on an Amel is not out of place and I think people were too quick to shut it down without also looking at all of the other similar posts that others have no issue with.   I think that anything that contributes to the brand or to our further understanding of the boats is fair game on these forums.    I like the posts talking about the surveys, sails, schools, brokerages, maintenance and even just sailing places videos.  Frankly, far more has already been written on this than the original post even took up.  Anyway, that’s my two cents.  For those who are triggered by these discussions, there is a link you can click when you first see the topic to “mute this topic” and you will never see anything on it (or Antennas if you like!) ever again.  LOL 

Brent Cameron, Future Amel owner & Amel Owner's Registry Moderator

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Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada