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Re: Santorin C Drive leaks

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Volker,

I was on a voyage from Grenada to Panama when the oil in the reservoir became milky in colour. I had a long way to go so I just minimised engine use and Hauled out when I got to Colon at the Western end of the canal. No trouble in the 10 years since. I change the seals and wearing bearing at each 2 year haulout

Regards

Danny 

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 02 February 2020 at 22:52 Volker Hasenauer <volker.hasenauer@...> wrote:

...thanks for the info received.....I will try my luck and see how I can move the boat.

On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 7:21 PM Herbert Lackner < herbert@...> wrote:
Hi Volker,

Amel uses now SAE90, 15/40 is also ok, but no ATF!  ATF is used for the gearbox, not for the drive.

herbert, SN120

 

 

Re: Amel Euros 41 - Autopilot, what autopilot! Anyone recognise these parts please?

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

i don't think the Euros was equipped with an autopilot from Amel
our Euros 39 had no AP and was upgraded by us
Greetings to Elja
SM Balu

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Re: SSB Ground

 

Joerg,

In my experience with SSB, Matt is exactly correct about multiple nearby masts.

Also, I looked closely at your photo. It is my understanding that a marine 4" stand-off" antenna mount must be used to hold the SSB antenna a minimum of 4" from other metal parts. In the Amel SM and 54, Amel used these to "stand-off" from the life rail. I believe I see the stand-off near the top of the Simpson Davits. I also note two things:
  1. The Simpson Davits represent a very large piece of metal. Maybe the stand-off separation should be greater. An HF/SSB expert should comment here.
  2. The separation was not visible in your photo at the base. Is it also 4"?
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On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 9:36 AM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
One other big issue is trying to transmit from a marina. All the masts adversely affect transmission. You’ll have to leave the marina to get an accurate assessment .

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Feb 2, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:



 

Thank you, Herbert.  I will clean the dynaplates next.  I have had the tuner and the transmitter tested twice and I do hear the tuner clicking.  My antenna is installed next to the davits but I asked the manufacturer of the antenna about that and they said it was fine.  I will try to swing the mizzen boom away, though.  

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Daniel.  I have removed that extra wire as well.  The control wire from the transmitter to the tuner carries ground as well so the additional wire Amel installed is not necessary and may be harmful as you say.

Following the link to the SSB goodies you sent, I see the SSB grounding paint. Someone told me to paint the bottom of the Lazarette with that paint and connect it to the tuner with copper tape.  Theoretically this should work but has anyone tried it?  


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Re: SSB Ground

Matt Salatino
 

One other big issue is trying to transmit from a marina. All the masts adversely affect transmission. You’ll have to leave the marina to get an accurate assessment .

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Feb 2, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:



 

Thank you, Herbert.  I will clean the dynaplates next.  I have had the tuner and the transmitter tested twice and I do hear the tuner clicking.  My antenna is installed next to the davits but I asked the manufacturer of the antenna about that and they said it was fine.  I will try to swing the mizzen boom away, though.  

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Daniel.  I have removed that extra wire as well.  The control wire from the transmitter to the tuner carries ground as well so the additional wire Amel installed is not necessary and may be harmful as you say.

Following the link to the SSB goodies you sent, I see the SSB grounding paint. Someone told me to paint the bottom of the Lazarette with that paint and connect it to the tuner with copper tape.  Theoretically this should work but has anyone tried it?  

Re: SSB Ground

Joerg Esdorn
 

 

Thank you, Herbert.  I will clean the dynaplates next.  I have had the tuner and the transmitter tested twice and I do hear the tuner clicking.  My antenna is installed next to the davits but I asked the manufacturer of the antenna about that and they said it was fine.  I will try to swing the mizzen boom away, though.  


Daniel.  I have removed that extra wire as well.  The control wire from the transmitter to the tuner carries ground as well so the additional wire Amel installed is not necessary and may be harmful as you say.

Following the link to the SSB goodies you sent, I see the SSB grounding paint. Someone told me to paint the bottom of the Lazarette with that paint and connect it to the tuner with copper tape.  Theoretically this should work but has anyone tried it?  

Amel Euros 41 - Autopilot, what autopilot! Anyone recognise these parts please?

Andrew Eaves
 

Hi all

I have disconnected the chain to the shaft of the steering wheel firstly.

1. Is this standard Amel autopilot do you know?
2. What/where was the control unit/compass bumpf as I presume it isn't built into the motor part??
3. Is this circuit board specifically for the autopilot or does it have other functionality?
4. I was told today by the original owner, he thinks you may be able to hook up some kind of Raymarine control box to this motor. Does anyone know if that or anything else is possible? I'm not going to try and reinstate whatever the original control unit was, wherever that is :)

Thank all.

Re: Santorin C Drive leaks

Volker Hasenauer
 

...thanks for the info received.....I will try my luck and see how I can move the boat.


On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 7:21 PM Herbert Lackner <herbert@...> wrote:
Hi Volker,

Amel uses now SAE90, 15/40 is also ok, but no ATF!  ATF is used for the gearbox, not for the drive.

herbert, SN120

Re: Insurance in Europe

marklesparkle59
 

Hi Mark,
Sea Hobo has been insured with Navigators and General since I took over and and they seem very reasonable and helpful. I have not made a claim. The cost was smaller this year for the same coverage, a nice surprise.

Mark Porter
Sea Hobo
Sharki #96



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From: "Mark Dajani via Groups.Io" <mdajani@...>
Date: 01/02/2020 19:28 (GMT+00:00)
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance in Europe

Hello Matt,

My Name is Mark Dajani,   I will be picking up my Amel 60 this June and plan to keep it in the med for a year or so before moving on.    I read your entire flow on the boat building process and it was very helpful.   the Amel folks have been a pleasure to work with.     

I am ready to get Insurance,   I would certainly appreciate any insights from your experience.   Which agency / carrier did you end up with.   what would you do differently?   thanks so much for any advice you may have.


Mark

Re: Steyr motor turbocharger complete

eric freedman
 

Hi Mike,

Any carburetor cleaner will work. Be careful around plastics and finished wood , this chemical is very strong.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2020 12:07 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Steyr motor turbocharger complete

 

Hi Mike, it is a CRC product and seeing you are in Opua you should have no trouble accessing it. Repco are likely to have it. Photo attached. I am based in Mangonui a day sail north of you if you would like a catch up

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 January 2020 at 15:26 "Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)" <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

Do you know who manufactures and/or supplies the carbo clean product you use? I've found quite a variety online.

Thanks,
Mike
SV Trilogy - SM23
Opua, NZ

Re: Steyr motor turbocharger complete

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mike, it is a CRC product and seeing you are in Opua you should have no trouble accessing it. Repco are likely to have it. Photo attached. I am based in Mangonui a day sail north of you if you would like a catch up

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 January 2020 at 15:26 "Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)" <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

Do you know who manufactures and/or supplies the carbo clean product you use? I've found quite a variety online.

Thanks,
Mike
SV Trilogy - SM23
Opua, NZ

Re: New companionway lock source

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

If you are near Brunswick, GA or stop at Brunswick Landing Marina as many transiting boats do I found today that Central Hardware on Norwich St. has the Y2 key blanks in stock.  They cut several keys for me.
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Re: Changing engine bearings Amel Mango Perkins 4.236

Arlo
 

I would also like to know as well. 

Re: Insurance in Europe

Matt Salatino
 

Thanks for the input Mark. We understand Pantaenius’ Caribbean and US limits. We are insuring for the Med, and the conditions were comparable to others. We do realize when we cross the Atlantic, we’ll have to change carriers. That is likely 2 years off.....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Feb 1, 2020, at 6:18 PM, Mark & Debbie Mueller <brass.ring@...> wrote:

Hi Matt,

 

We had been insured with Pantaenius US for the last two years with no issues.  However, our policy renewal date was January 1 and the new policy conditions that Pantaenius imposed were so onerous and unreasonable that we were forced to switch carriers.

 

Pantaenius changed the upper boundary of the hurricane box to 35° North, this bisects Cape Hatteras.  Our nearest port North then becomes Hampton or Norfolk.  An additional deterrent was departing Norfolk on or after December 1; it gets pretty real cold at that time of the year.  They also changed the dates of the hurricane season from July 15 – November 1 to July 1 – November 30 with no boundary for the southern end of the box.  The change in dates decreased summer sailing season by 45 days if you plan to sail the Bahamas or the Caribbean.  They now also require that the “insured vessel shall be secured between two fixed piers or a fixed pier and a bulkhead or two bulkheads; these fixed structures to which the insured vessel is secured must be suitable to sustain the wave action of the NTS. The size of the berth and the manner in which the insured vessel is secured shall be such that there is a minimum of 6 feet of distance between the vessel and each fixed pier or bulkhead and any adjacent vessels or pilings. The insured vessel shall NOT be secured to floating piers or docks…”.  I believe you have been at Brunswick Landing Marina in Brunswick, GA; these policy conditions exclude Brunswick as a harbor that has traditionally been very safe during hurricane season.  Pantaenius also had an increase in the lightning deductible plus a substantial increase in premium.

 

If Pantaenius becomes one of your final candidates I would go over the policy conditions very thoroughly.  We selected:

 

YachtInsure

Hugo Hanham-Gross

Hanham Insurance Agency

843.410.2990

Charleston, SC  29403


--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54

Re: Insurance in Europe

Matt Salatino
 

Hi Mark,
First, Congratulations on your new boat! I’m sure our paths will cross. We plan to leave La Rochelle, headed for the Med in May with our new 50.
As for insurance, we did considerable research. We’re interested in a carrier who will work, hard, to make us whole in case of a claim, vs. carriers who work equally hard to avoid paying a claim. Of course, we are interested in not paying the highest premium, too. All this said, in 33 years of boat ownership, we’ve never made a claim.
So, after reading dozens of reviews, our favorite was Pantaenius UK. Unfortunately, being a US-flagged boat, they wouldn’t talk to us and referred us to Pantaenius US, not our favorite, but after considerable dialog with our broker, who we’ve known for a decade, we went with them. I did hear good things about Yachtinsure (www.yachtinsure.uk).
In which country are you flagging your yacht?

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Feb 1, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Mark Dajani via Groups.Io <mdajani@...> wrote:

Hello Matt,

My Name is Mark Dajani,   I will be picking up my Amel 60 this June and plan to keep it in the med for a year or so before moving on.    I read your entire flow on the boat building process and it was very helpful.   the Amel folks have been a pleasure to work with.     

I am ready to get Insurance,   I would certainly appreciate any insights from your experience.   Which agency / carrier did you end up with.   what would you do differently?   thanks so much for any advice you may have.


Mark

Re: SSB Ground

Daniel Frey
 
Edited

Is your Icom 802 connected to the grounding (the dynaplates), too? If yes, disconnect it, as it may create electronic loops. The experts say, only the tuner should be connected to the grounding,

On my boat (Santorin) AMEL preinstalled a grounding wire for the radio at the navigation table to the tuner in the lazarett for the grounding of the transceiver (the radio). At the beginning I was using this wire to ground my Icom 801. But the experts recommend to not to ground the transceiver. So, I disconnected it. Now, only the tuner in the lazarett is connected to the dynaplates.

More infos:
https://www.svb24.com/en/guide/ssb-marine-radio.html

http://www.sailcom.co.uk/m802/

Re: Insurance in Europe

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

Hi Matt,

 

We had been insured with Pantaenius US for the last two years with no issues.  However, our policy renewal date was January 1 and the new policy conditions that Pantaenius imposed were so onerous and unreasonable that we were forced to switch carriers.

 

Pantaenius changed the upper boundary of the hurricane box to 35° North, this bisects Cape Hatteras.  Our nearest port North then becomes Hampton or Norfolk.  An additional deterrent was departing Norfolk on or after December 1; it gets pretty real cold at that time of the year.  They also changed the dates of the hurricane season from July 15 – November 1 to July 1 – November 30 with no boundary for the southern end of the box.  The change in dates decreased summer sailing season by 45 days if you plan to sail the Bahamas or the Caribbean.  They now also require that the “insured vessel shall be secured between two fixed piers or a fixed pier and a bulkhead or two bulkheads; these fixed structures to which the insured vessel is secured must be suitable to sustain the wave action of the NTS. The size of the berth and the manner in which the insured vessel is secured shall be such that there is a minimum of 6 feet of distance between the vessel and each fixed pier or bulkhead and any adjacent vessels or pilings. The insured vessel shall NOT be secured to floating piers or docks…”.  I believe you have been at Brunswick Landing Marina in Brunswick, GA; these policy conditions exclude Brunswick as a harbor that has traditionally been very safe during hurricane season.  Pantaenius also had an increase in the lightning deductible plus a substantial increase in premium.

 

If Pantaenius becomes one of your final candidates I would go over the policy conditions very thoroughly.  We selected:

 

YachtInsure

Hugo Hanham-Gross

Hanham Insurance Agency

843.410.2990

Charleston, SC  29403


--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54

Re: SSB Ground

 

Herbert,

Very good advice.

Bill


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On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 11:03 AM Herbert Lackner <herbert@...> wrote:
Hi Joerg,  you have the best equipment available installed. all parts are first class.

Of course you can check it with an SWR meter, but I am not sure if that will help you identifying the problem. Your antenna tuner (if it works fine) will make sure, that you the SWR is good, even if your antenna is not transmitting. In our typical boat installations the tranceiver will see a nice tuned antenna, even if it is just a piece of wire, because the antenna tuner simulates a nice tuned antenna to the tranceiver and the power might be used to heat up the tuner and not to escape through your antenna into the air - excellent SWR but nothing transmitted.
But the SWR meter would help you in finding out if your tuner is working fine.  Can you hear your tuner working?  It should "click-click-cklick..."  when you change to a  new frequency and transmit a low power signal for tuning. the relais inside make some noise when they try to "tune" the antenna to a new frequency that the tuner has not stored in his memory. 

I assume the setup of the tuner and the tranceiver has been checked.  You shall also set the AT140 in the IC-M802 initial setup as your tuner, you can also activate automatic tuning.

to summarize:

* check if your tuner settings are ok (I am sure they are) and that the tuner is tuning. If you have a SWR meter check that .
* make sure your existing ground is working by cleaning your dynaplate and make sure connections are good, no other grounding is necessary (see Oliviers post), do not connect your tank
* check if the GTO15 wire from the tuner to the antenna is free from any other stuff and that it is as short as possible
* check your antenna contact and make sure the antenna is away from other stuff that hinders transmitting (eg. I use an isolated backstay on starboard, but have to make sure that the the mizzen boom is on port when I transmit...)
* if nothing helps from the things above you should ask a local expert to check your installation (using a SWR meter, but also trying to find out what energy is really transmitted at your antenna, there are several options to do that)

what I would not recommend without help from an expert:
* changing your grounding
* opening the tranceiver and trying to fix something there

I am sure your problem can be solved relativ onsite easy by someone who is familiar with SSB installations on boats and who has the instruments to check it

best wishes, herbert SN120

Re: Insurance in Europe

Mark Dajani
 

Hello Matt,

My Name is Mark Dajani,   I will be picking up my Amel 60 this June and plan to keep it in the med for a year or so before moving on.    I read your entire flow on the boat building process and it was very helpful.   the Amel folks have been a pleasure to work with.     

I am ready to get Insurance,   I would certainly appreciate any insights from your experience.   Which agency / carrier did you end up with.   what would you do differently?   thanks so much for any advice you may have.


Mark

Re: SSB Ground

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Joerg,  you have the best equipment available installed. all parts are first class.

Of course you can check it with an SWR meter, but I am not sure if that will help you identifying the problem. Your antenna tuner (if it works fine) will make sure, that you the SWR is good, even if your antenna is not transmitting. In our typical boat installations the tranceiver will see a nice tuned antenna, even if it is just a piece of wire, because the antenna tuner simulates a nice tuned antenna to the tranceiver and the power might be used to heat up the tuner and not to escape through your antenna into the air - excellent SWR but nothing transmitted.
But the SWR meter would help you in finding out if your tuner is working fine.  Can you hear your tuner working?  It should "click-click-cklick..."  when you change to a  new frequency and transmit a low power signal for tuning. the relais inside make some noise when they try to "tune" the antenna to a new frequency that the tuner has not stored in his memory. 

I assume the setup of the tuner and the tranceiver has been checked.  You shall also set the AT140 in the IC-M802 initial setup as your tuner, you can also activate automatic tuning.

to summarize:

* check if your tuner settings are ok (I am sure they are) and that the tuner is tuning. If you have a SWR meter check that .
* make sure your existing ground is working by cleaning your dynaplate and make sure connections are good, no other grounding is necessary (see Oliviers post), do not connect your tank
* check if the GTO15 wire from the tuner to the antenna is free from any other stuff and that it is as short as possible
* check your antenna contact and make sure the antenna is away from other stuff that hinders transmitting (eg. I use an isolated backstay on starboard, but have to make sure that the the mizzen boom is on port when I transmit...)
* if nothing helps from the things above you should ask a local expert to check your installation (using a SWR meter, but also trying to find out what energy is really transmitted at your antenna, there are several options to do that)

what I would not recommend without help from an expert:
* changing your grounding
* opening the tranceiver and trying to fix something there

I am sure your problem can be solved relativ onsite easy by someone who is familiar with SSB installations on boats and who has the instruments to check it

best wishes, herbert SN120

Re: SSB Ground

Joerg Esdorn
 

Thanks again everyone for your advice.  To respond to a few questions, I have the ICOM M802 with the AT140 tuner.  For the cable between the transmitter and the AT, Amel/Pochon installed RG213 and I replaced it with Aircell 7.  Antenna cable was something indeterminate but I replaced with GTO 15.  I'm turning off the solar, refrigerators and some other things that interfer like the inverters.  Would it be sensible for me to use the services of someone who knows how to interpret the results of an SWR meter after I've checked all the other things mentioned above?  Cheers Joerg