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Re: New Wheel Leather

Steve Bode
 

I think Michelle did a really nice job on our helm...

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Steve Bode
Capt. SV Intention
Amel SM #117 (1994)
+1 415 710-6659 Mobile/Text/WhatsApp
facebook.com/stevebodesanfrancisco
svintention.com
Adding Air Conditioning to '94 SM #117

Steve Bode
 

Hey, Friends,

I found a 'sponsor' who wants me to add air conditioning to Intention. Is this completely insane? I couldn't find anyone in the forum who's done it. Seems like it would be easier to buy a new boat! At first blush, it looks like I need to do the following:
- Buy three AC/Heater units, aft, cabin and forward compartments, cause the heater units that are currently installed there will be replaced
- Drill six holes in the hull and add through-hulls and valves, hose to connect the units, Do other boats pull sea water from another inlet like the toilet or something?
- what about seawater pumps? Are they needed? What about sea strainers?
- Buy 90˚ hard-plastic pipes that go on the end of the units
- buy some kinda ducting to feed the cool air into a vent somehow
- Build mounting plates and securing bolts to keep the units in place
- Figure out how to get 220v to the units
- Run control wire up to a thermostat and figure out how to mount that thing.
- Add a switch to the 220v control panel that somehow turns off all three units?!

Anyone done this? Would you recommend I fake a major injury instead of take this on?
--
Steve Bode
Capt. SV Intention
Amel SM #117 (1994)
+1 415 710-6659 Mobile/Text/WhatsApp
facebook.com/stevebodesanfrancisco
svintention.com
Re: New Subgroup added

Richard Colebatch
 

Many thanks Bill

Rgds

RICHARD

On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 11:19 am CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Subscription to the subgroup Commercial is working now. Follow this link to join: Commercial Subgroup
Then click on the Join Button

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Re: Bow thruster seals

Stephen Davis
 

Earlier in this thread, Jose Venegas of S/V Ipanema references a prior post in which he posted photos showing his silicone bow thruster seals installed. We’re in the middle of installing the seals now, and searched high and low for his prior post. For those who follow and want to see it, it’s located here and does indeed show the seals installed.

https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/46175?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,Bow+thruster+seal,20,2,20,31943408

—Liz Davis
S/V Aloha, SM 72
Re: New Subgroup added

CW Bill Rouse
 

Subscription to the subgroup Commercial is working now. Follow this link to join: Commercial Subgroup
Then click on the Join Button

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Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
Re: A54 bow thruster directly to battery or through main switches?

James Alton
 

Bill,

   This is very interesting since the service disconnect switch looks very similar to the Ecans Soderep S190 installed on my Maramu.  I recently ordered  a replacement from Amel for my original engine disconnect switch that looks identical to my original switch.  I was having engine starting problems that I traced to an excessive voltage drop at the engine disconnect switch.  Not having a spare aboard at the time, I opened up the switch expecting to find burned contacts but actually they are in almost perfect shape.  The problem stemmed from the phenolic breaking around the bearing surface supporting the handle shaft which caused the contacts to sometimes not line up properly.  Some epoxy restored the function of the switch and we used it without trouble for the rest of last season.  I am mentioning this because I have read that others have had problems from these switches at times and at least in my case the issue was repairable and the switch is not hard to open.  I will of course now install the new switch and keep the old one as a spare.  It would be great if I could install a third switch like this for just the bow thruster loads.

     Would you by chance know the exact model of the switch shown in your photo?  I would also be interested to know either the wattage/horsepower rating of the Amel 54 bow thruster to estimate the amperage draw to compare to mine.  My Maramu has the bow thruster wired directly to the batteries which means that regardless of the switch position the circuit is hot.  I would very much like to install a reliable service disconnect switch along with a fuse to better protect this circuit.  I considered the S190 but was concerned about the 250-300 Amp continuous rating shown by the manufacturer.  The peak load of this switch is however 10X higher so maybe it is sufficient due to the short duration of use?  Would anyone know if this model switch would be sufficient for the approximate 4-500 amps that my bow thruster should draw at 12V? I am bringing a clamp meter to the boat soon to get a more accurate measurement.

Thanks,

James


On Feb 7, 2020, at 5:32 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Scott,

Yes, in other 54s there is are 24v cables +/- coming from the main switch. In this photo of an unmodified Amel 54 the positive cable from the switch to the Bow Thruster box in the bow is a black cable. You can barely see it. It is under the 110 A Alternator red cable. I believe that some of the 54 switches are wired differently. Please let me know if the photo below agrees with yours.
<image.png>

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 3:59 PM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
As the title suggests, does the a54, wired as amel intended, place the bow thruster power wires directly to the battery or are those cables connected through the main battery switches? 

We're having some intermittent issues with ours and trying to rule everything out. Thanks .
-- 
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com
Re: A54 bow thruster directly to battery or through main switches?

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Scott,

As Bill says the bowthruster is on the secondary side of the main switches. 

On our 54 only the shore-chargers are directly connected to the batteries. Everything else is routed via the switch, excluding the battery monitor on the 24 volt panel. 


regards,
Arno
SVLuna,
A54-121
Re: New Subgroup added

Matt Salatino
 

Thx Bill!

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Feb 7, 2020, at 5:35 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Matt,

Groups.io has a bug in the subgroups programming involving joining the subgroup. I have sent them a message. Hopefully, this will be resolved shortly.  

I just added you directly
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I’m doing something wrong. It won’t let me join. Says my address is already registered.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt
Re: New Subgroup added

Matt Salatino
 

Thx, join me pls?...

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Feb 7, 2020, at 5:23 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

In the meantime, anyone wishing to join asap, email me and I will directly add you. brouse@...

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Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
Re: New Subgroup added

CW Bill Rouse
 

Matt,

Groups.io has a bug in the subgroups programming involving joining the subgroup. I have sent them a message. Hopefully, this will be resolved shortly.  

I just added you directly
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
View My Training Calendar
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I’m doing something wrong. It won’t let me join. Says my address is already registered.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt
Re: A54 bow thruster directly to battery or through main switches?

CW Bill Rouse
 

Scott,

Yes, in other 54s there is are 24v cables +/- coming from the main switch. In this photo of an unmodified Amel 54 the positive cable from the switch to the Bow Thruster box in the bow is a black cable. You can barely see it. It is under the 110 A Alternator red cable. I believe that some of the 54 switches are wired differently. Please let me know if the photo below agrees with yours.
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
View My Training Calendar
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 3:59 PM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
As the title suggests, does the a54, wired as amel intended, place the bow thruster power wires directly to the battery or are those cables connected through the main battery switches? 

We're having some intermittent issues with ours and trying to rule everything out. Thanks .
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: New Subgroup added

Matt Salatino
 

I’m doing something wrong. It won’t let me join. Says my address is already registered.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Feb 7, 2020, at 2:34 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

All,

We have added a new subgroup that any interested member of the Main Amel Yacht Owners Group can join at will. The Commercial subgroup already has its first posting. Unfortunately, you cannot view the posting without joining the group (see bold below).
Commercial Subgroup: This is a place that individuals and companies that have a "commercial" interest in presenting a product or service to members of the Amel Yacht Owners Group can post that information. The method of posting is an email sent to commercial@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Commercial postings can be in any form the poster may desire. Complete contact information should be in the posting so that any interested party can respond directly to the poster, rather than replying to the email posting. All Commercial postings are moderated. The person or company interested in posting does not need to be a member of Amel Yacht Owners Group. They can simply send their commercial email to commercial@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io 
The postings in any of the subgroups can only be viewed by joining that subgroup (sorry we don't have an option with this). You can join any subgroup at-will and choose NO EMAIL, or other email options. 
================================================

Below is the updated Main Group header information which is also shown at https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main 

The Amel Yacht Owners Group has over 1,300 members. Membership is restricted to actual Amel Yacht owners (present and past), those who plan to buy a new or used Amel, or those simply wanting more information about Amel yachts. The Amel Yacht Owners Group is independent and in no way connected to Chantier Amel, La Rochelle, France (www.amel.fr). This group is sponsored and supported by Bill Rouse, owner of Amel Owners Yacht School (http://amelownersyachtschool.com/) specializing in training new owners of Amel yachts and supporting current owners. Amel yacht owner, Bob Rossi, is supporting this group with the following domain: AmelYachtOwnersGroup.com. This URL makes it easy for you to always find our homepage and refer us to other Amel yacht owners. The Group allows a single sponsor to advertise on the Wiki (Help) page. That sponsor contributes to the future cost of maintaining our group on the Groups.io platform. The current sponsor is QSails, manufacturer and worldwide distributor of high-quality sails for Amels.

This Group frowns on commercial postings, however, we encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond.

Buying or Selling Amel yachts and/or Amel Parts (Join these subgroups):
Yachts For Sale Subgroup: Amel yacht owners wanting to sell their Amel and Buyers wanting to buy an Amel can post details once every 60 days.  
Share Parts Subgroup: Amel yacht owners wishing to Buy or Sell cruising spares from one another can post details once every 60 days. 
After posting in either of the above subgroups, members can make a short summary post in the main group, advising all members of the Subgroup post...please save the details for the Subgroup posting. We encourage using Amel (SAV@...) for all your spare parts needs.

Want to advertise something that an Amel owner might want?:
Commercial Subgroup: This is a place that individuals and companies that have a "commercial" interest in presenting a product or service to members of the Amel Yacht Owners Group can post that information. The method of posting is an email sent to commercial@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Commercial postings can be in any form the poster may desire. Complete contact information should be in the posting so that any interested party can respond directly to the poster, rather than replying to the email posting. All postings are moderated. The person or company interested in posting does not need to be a member of Amel Yacht Owners Group. They can simply send their commercial email to commercial@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io 
The postings in any of the subgroups can only be viewed by joining that subgroup (sorry we don't have an option with this). You can join any subgroup and choose NO EMAIL, or other email options.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
View My Training Calendar
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Re: New Subgroup added

CW Bill Rouse
 

In the meantime, anyone wishing to join asap, email me and I will directly add you. brouse@...

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Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
Re: New Subgroup added

CW Bill Rouse
 

Groups.io has a bug in the subgroups programming involving joining the subgroup. I have sent them a message. Hopefully, this will be resolved shortly.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
A54 bow thruster directly to battery or through main switches?

Scott SV Tengah
 

As the title suggests, does the a54, wired as amel intended, place the bow thruster power wires directly to the battery or are those cables connected through the main battery switches? 

We're having some intermittent issues with ours and trying to rule everything out. Thanks .
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com
Re: New Subgroup added

Ian Townsend
 

Great solution. Thx!

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Bahamas

On Feb 7, 2020, at 2:34 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

All,

We have added a new subgroup that any interested member of the Main Amel Yacht Owners Group can join at will. The Commercial subgroup already has its first posting. Unfortunately, you cannot view the posting without joining the group (see bold below).
Commercial Subgroup: This is a place that individuals and companies that have a "commercial" interest in presenting a product or service to members of the Amel Yacht Owners Group can post that information. The method of posting is an email sent to commercial@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Commercial postings can be in any form the poster may desire. Complete contact information should be in the posting so that any interested party can respond directly to the poster, rather than replying to the email posting. All Commercial postings are moderated. The person or company interested in posting does not need to be a member of Amel Yacht Owners Group. They can simply send their commercial email to commercial@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io 
The postings in any of the subgroups can only be viewed by joining that subgroup (sorry we don't have an option with this). You can join any subgroup at-will and choose NO EMAIL, or other email options. 
================================================

Below is the updated Main Group header information which is also shown at https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main 

The Amel Yacht Owners Group has over 1,300 members. Membership is restricted to actual Amel Yacht owners (present and past), those who plan to buy a new or used Amel, or those simply wanting more information about Amel yachts. The Amel Yacht Owners Group is independent and in no way connected to Chantier Amel, La Rochelle, France (www.amel.fr). This group is sponsored and supported by Bill Rouse, owner of Amel Owners Yacht School (http://amelownersyachtschool.com/) specializing in training new owners of Amel yachts and supporting current owners. Amel yacht owner, Bob Rossi, is supporting this group with the following domain: AmelYachtOwnersGroup.com. This URL makes it easy for you to always find our homepage and refer us to other Amel yacht owners. The Group allows a single sponsor to advertise on the Wiki (Help) page. That sponsor contributes to the future cost of maintaining our group on the Groups.io platform. The current sponsor is QSails, manufacturer and worldwide distributor of high-quality sails for Amels.

This Group frowns on commercial postings, however, we encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond.

Buying or Selling Amel yachts and/or Amel Parts (Join these subgroups):
Yachts For Sale Subgroup: Amel yacht owners wanting to sell their Amel and Buyers wanting to buy an Amel can post details once every 60 days.  
Share Parts Subgroup: Amel yacht owners wishing to Buy or Sell cruising spares from one another can post details once every 60 days. 
After posting in either of the above subgroups, members can make a short summary post in the main group, advising all members of the Subgroup post...please save the details for the Subgroup posting. We encourage using Amel (SAV@...) for all your spare parts needs.

Want to advertise something that an Amel owner might want?:
Commercial Subgroup: This is a place that individuals and companies that have a "commercial" interest in presenting a product or service to members of the Amel Yacht Owners Group can post that information. The method of posting is an email sent to commercial@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Commercial postings can be in any form the poster may desire. Complete contact information should be in the posting so that any interested party can respond directly to the poster, rather than replying to the email posting. All postings are moderated. The person or company interested in posting does not need to be a member of Amel Yacht Owners Group. They can simply send their commercial email to commercial@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io 
The postings in any of the subgroups can only be viewed by joining that subgroup (sorry we don't have an option with this). You can join any subgroup and choose NO EMAIL, or other email options.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
View My Training Calendar
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New Subgroup added

CW Bill Rouse
 

All,

We have added a new subgroup that any interested member of the Main Amel Yacht Owners Group can join at will. The Commercial subgroup already has its first posting. Unfortunately, you cannot view the posting without joining the group (see bold below).
Commercial Subgroup: This is a place that individuals and companies that have a "commercial" interest in presenting a product or service to members of the Amel Yacht Owners Group can post that information. The method of posting is an email sent to commercial@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Commercial postings can be in any form the poster may desire. Complete contact information should be in the posting so that any interested party can respond directly to the poster, rather than replying to the email posting. All Commercial postings are moderated. The person or company interested in posting does not need to be a member of Amel Yacht Owners Group. They can simply send their commercial email to commercial@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io 
The postings in any of the subgroups can only be viewed by joining that subgroup (sorry we don't have an option with this). You can join any subgroup at-will and choose NO EMAIL, or other email options. 
================================================

Below is the updated Main Group header information which is also shown at https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main 

The Amel Yacht Owners Group has over 1,300 members. Membership is restricted to actual Amel Yacht owners (present and past), those who plan to buy a new or used Amel, or those simply wanting more information about Amel yachts. The Amel Yacht Owners Group is independent and in no way connected to Chantier Amel, La Rochelle, France (www.amel.fr). This group is sponsored and supported by Bill Rouse, owner of Amel Owners Yacht School (http://amelownersyachtschool.com/) specializing in training new owners of Amel yachts and supporting current owners. Amel yacht owner, Bob Rossi, is supporting this group with the following domain: AmelYachtOwnersGroup.com. This URL makes it easy for you to always find our homepage and refer us to other Amel yacht owners. The Group allows a single sponsor to advertise on the Wiki (Help) page. That sponsor contributes to the future cost of maintaining our group on the Groups.io platform. The current sponsor is QSails, manufacturer and worldwide distributor of high-quality sails for Amels.

This Group frowns on commercial postings, however, we encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond.

Buying or Selling Amel yachts and/or Amel Parts (Join these subgroups):
Yachts For Sale Subgroup: Amel yacht owners wanting to sell their Amel and Buyers wanting to buy an Amel can post details once every 60 days.  
Share Parts Subgroup: Amel yacht owners wishing to Buy or Sell cruising spares from one another can post details once every 60 days. 
After posting in either of the above subgroups, members can make a short summary post in the main group, advising all members of the Subgroup post...please save the details for the Subgroup posting. We encourage using Amel (SAV@...) for all your spare parts needs.

Want to advertise something that an Amel owner might want?:
Commercial Subgroup: This is a place that individuals and companies that have a "commercial" interest in presenting a product or service to members of the Amel Yacht Owners Group can post that information. The method of posting is an email sent to commercial@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Commercial postings can be in any form the poster may desire. Complete contact information should be in the posting so that any interested party can respond directly to the poster, rather than replying to the email posting. All postings are moderated. The person or company interested in posting does not need to be a member of Amel Yacht Owners Group. They can simply send their commercial email to commercial@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io 
The postings in any of the subgroups can only be viewed by joining that subgroup (sorry we don't have an option with this). You can join any subgroup and choose NO EMAIL, or other email options.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
View My Training Calendar
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Re: rub rail insert

Gary Silver
 
Edited

I obtained my rub rail insert (I call it "scupper") from SAV in Dec 2017 for repairs Liahona ( Hull # 335) sustained during Hurricanes Irma and Maria.  The material, including shipping (air freight) to Puerto Rico was $ 2,686 US.  Removal of the original scupper is very quick (easily less than one hour),  I wasn't present when they inserted the new scupper but did see it done to Liahona's sister boat, "Cloud Street" (Hull # 333 I believe) done a few weeks after my boat was done.  I would estimate that it took two workers about 4 hrs per side to install the new scupper material. 

Sorry for thread creep: Following hurricane repairs my hull, boot stripe, rub rail, and toe rail (including all hatch surrounds and hatch areas that were matching color) were painted with multiple coats of epoxy primer followed by multiple coats (5 as I recall) of Awlcraft.  It was explained and demonstrated to me that re-gel coating damaged areas would lead to excessive porosity and poor outcome.  It was further explained to me that Awlcraft was easier to repair than Awlgrip and that is why it was recommended to me.  It looks great and my boat maintenance has decreased since I don't have to wax the toe rail and rub rail every couple of months.  I choose Awlgrip for my deck-stripe repaint due to it being harder and more abrasion resistant.  

All the best, 

Gary S Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335
Puerto Del Rey Marina,  Puerto Rico
Re: Main foil sheared

CW Bill Rouse
 

Yes it is possible. You'll get complete instructions when we meet next week. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 11:08 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

My main sail foil has sheared off just at the collar that connects it to the furler motor. I note from s similar recent post about a genoa that it may be possible to just lower the foil a few cm and reconnect. Would anyone know if this may be possible with the mainsail foil?  I guess I could go up and see how much, if any, excess there is at the top. Failing this, any other solution?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: rub rail insert

Patrick McAneny
 

Steve, I awlgripped my boat 12 yrs. ago, and it looked like a new boat and has looked great for years. A 47 cat (rental boat) drug down on us , at 4am. in Guadeloupe last winter,thus the need for a new paint job. I think I will go with Awlcraft this time ,a bit softer but easily repaired ,unlike Awlgrip. I need to research that a bit more ,but a couple of painters have suggested I consider going with Awlcraft. 
Thanks for info,
Pat
SM Shenanigans



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2020 10:20 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] rub rail insert

Hi Pat,

When we had our hull painted in Trinidad in 2016, it took 2 guys half an hour to remove both sides, and about an hour to re-install the old one after I had cleaned it up. I suspect the yard is bidding high because they don’t realize how easy the job is. 

You will love the look of the paint when it’s done, and ours has held up well. We did the boot stripe in awlgrip desert sand, and in the 2 stripe style of a newer 54...It looks really nice. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72...On the hard in Hawaii
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