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Re: Recommended solar panel brand

Porter McRoberts
 

Exactly correct Scott. Next power investment will be lithiums. 
Porter
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On Feb 17, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:

David,

I have experience with LG Neon2 320w panels and that's it. I have 3 of them wired IN PARALLEL on my aft custom arch and run through a Victron BlueSolar MPPT into Victron LiFePO4 batteries and have averaged around 200-225 amp hours a day of production. I'm pretty happy with them.

I know I sound like a lithium preacher, but consider lithium if you don't have it. I believe it's Porter McRoberts who has a similar solar setup as me but outputs far less because his AGM(?) batteries can't take full charging current at high states of charge. And when you add in 25-30% charging inefficiency for lead vs. 2-3% for lifepo4, my 960w array would be the equivalent to a 720w array if I had AGM/Gel/Flooded Lead.

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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
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Re: A54 bow thruster directly to battery or through main switches?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Thanks for the input everyone. We literally have resigned to having Sleipner New Zealand look at it, when we get there in November!! But the fact that two of you have experienced failures on the short cables on the motor means it's worth looking at.

I have gone through the entire Sleipner troubleshooting guide, linked below, which should eliminate control circuit malfunctions. The problem still persists.

Trouble-shooting Guide for DC Thrusters - Imtrawww.imtra.com › Products › SP_Troubleshooting_Guide_with_IPC

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
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Re: Recommended solar panel brand

Scott SV Tengah
 

David,

I have experience with LG Neon2 320w panels and that's it. I have 3 of them wired IN PARALLEL on my aft custom arch and run through a Victron BlueSolar MPPT into Victron LiFePO4 batteries and have averaged around 200-225 amp hours a day of production. I'm pretty happy with them.

I know I sound like a lithium preacher, but consider lithium if you don't have it. I believe it's Porter McRoberts who has a similar solar setup as me but outputs far less because his AGM(?) batteries can't take full charging current at high states of charge. And when you add in 25-30% charging inefficiency for lead vs. 2-3% for lifepo4, my 960w array would be the equivalent to a 720w array if I had AGM/Gel/Flooded Lead.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: turning direction of prop and thread pitch - Santorin

Daniel Frey
 




SN 64

Re: Fuel tank cleaning

Scott SV Tengah
 

Paul,

Pretty sure fuel outlet is fore as that's where the Racors are. The forward hatch wires are for the electronic fuel gauge in the cockpit fuel locker. 

There's bit of a baffle. Just open up the hatches and all will be obvious. It's pretty easy to open.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
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Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Scott SV Tengah
 
Edited

Mohammad,

1) I have a Highfield CL310 HYP as does Dean. The transom "lip" where the tubes are glued was bent when it arrived. Probably bad packaging. This is not the first time I have heard of this - Highfield fixed it under warranty after a bit of complaining. 

2) The CL310 will fit with a bit of modification. Dean described the eye he mounted in the bow locker and I did the same. You will also need to mount some eyes, facing inwards, on the triangular transom supports as far forward as you can. Then place a metal ring halfway between the rings using rope lashing. It fits fine. I have a Suzuki 20AS which does not rotate 90 degrees so it takes a bit of positioning to have it all fit. I then use a line through the built in "eyes" on the dinghy stern floor up to the ring where the davit lines/wires come out of, to secure the dinghy. Don't rely on the lifting wires to hold up the dinghy once underway.  While you're at it, change the davit wires to 12 strand dyneema. You can do it with very little modification - Simpson wanted 4000GBP for a "dyneema conversion kit" and it's simply unnecessary. You can do it yourself if you know how to splice 12 strand dyneema or pay a rigger 100euros.

For the bow, I secure the dinghy using a high quality stainless/aluminum ratchet with one end attached to the eye at the end of the davit arm and the other to a loop secured to the "armpit" of the davits. 

The reason why I did not go for the CL340 is two fold:

a) I put the dinghy on the aft deck and the outboard in the lazarette on big passages. Coming around Cape Hatteras and even crossing the Med in fall, I have seen some waves from astern that may have swamped a hanging dinghy. I have also had the dinghy come slightly loose while sailing and while the wasn't a big deal on a day sail or short overnighter, I wouldn't want to deal with it in the middle of an Indian Ocean gale, far offshore. With the CL310 I can position the dinghy upside down on the aft deck and have it NOT protrude into the cockpit nor have it interfere with the mizzen track. It barely fits.  I don't think the CL340 will fit unless you put it diagonally.

b) When it's just me and the misses doing a beach landing, with swell, we are at our limit carrying the CL310 with a 20hp engine. I tried to drag my friend's CL340 up a beach with him (he's 100kg and 195cm tall) and we struggled. In the Med, dinghy docks were aplenty. Less so in some parts of the Caribbean and probably even less so in the South Pacific. 

5) I went with Hypalon. I believe I paid 3700 euros total for my CL310 HYP. Not sure where you are but I bought it from a dealer in Slovenia VAT-free. Hypalon was not much more in our case and the cost of chaps was more than the upcharge for hypalon. In the tropics, it was a no brainer for me. I have a PVC backup rollup dinghy and it's faring far worse.

Hope this helps.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

 

Mohammad, yes, I see that now.
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On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 12:31 PM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Bill;

 

I know it appear that the outboard is reversed on the transom. But it is not. Take another look.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

 

Joerg,

 

That is an ingenious modification to the Simpson Davits. However, I noticed that the outboard motor is actually "inboard." Can you tell me the model and HP of this motor? Also, I assume that to raise the dinghy and outboard on the davits, you first have to reverse the outboard on the dinghy transom?

 

Bill

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On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 10:31 AM Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Mohammad, I have the CL 340 in Hypalon and it's in good shape after 4 seasons in the Med.  The French dealer in La Rochelle convinced me that Hypalon is the way to go for the Med/Caribbean.   I have the Amel provided davits on the 55 but I have some custom brackets which fixate the dinghy very well - no sliding or other movement whatsoever.  see pics.  For passages, I put on a cover to prevent a wave from filling the dinghy and I've not had any problems.  For offshore passages with a chance of serious gales, like a Transatlantic West to East, however, I would put the dinghy on the aft deck and the engine in the aft locker.   For one, I don't think I could deploy a drogue with the dinghy hanging from the davits.  

I hope this helps.     

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem

Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Joerg;

 

Thanks for the photos. Definitely a nice improvement to the Davits. The Davits on the 55 are closer spaced than the 54 and I believe are parallel and not at an angle like the 54. I think you could have carried either the 310 or the 340. I think the 310 on the 54 is problematic.

 

A few questions, if you don’t mind;

 

 

  1. How’s the ride on the CL340 and what size outboard?
  2. Can you plane with 4 people and some gear?
  3. What options would you recommend on the highfield?
  4. What issues, if any, have you had and what would you different?
  5. Do you have enough room between the mizzen and the mizzen traveler to store the 340 on deck or do you lash it to one side?

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 8:32 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

 

Hi Mohammad, I have the CL 340 in Hypalon and it's in good shape after 4 seasons in the Med.  The French dealer in La Rochelle convinced me that Hypalon is the way to go for the Med/Caribbean.   I have the Amel provided davits on the 55 but I have some custom brackets which fixate the dinghy very well - no sliding or other movement whatsoever.  see pics.  For passages, I put on a cover to prevent a wave from filling the dinghy and I've not had any problems.  For offshore passages with a chance of serious gales, like a Transatlantic West to East, however, I would put the dinghy on the aft deck and the engine in the aft locker.   For one, I don't think I could deploy a drogue with the dinghy hanging from the davits.  

I hope this helps.     

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem

Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Bill;

 

I know it appear that the outboard is reversed on the transom. But it is not. Take another look.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

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Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 8:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

 

Joerg,

 

That is an ingenious modification to the Simpson Davits. However, I noticed that the outboard motor is actually "inboard." Can you tell me the model and HP of this motor? Also, I assume that to raise the dinghy and outboard on the davits, you first have to reverse the outboard on the dinghy transom?

 

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

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On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 10:31 AM Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Mohammad, I have the CL 340 in Hypalon and it's in good shape after 4 seasons in the Med.  The French dealer in La Rochelle convinced me that Hypalon is the way to go for the Med/Caribbean.   I have the Amel provided davits on the 55 but I have some custom brackets which fixate the dinghy very well - no sliding or other movement whatsoever.  see pics.  For passages, I put on a cover to prevent a wave from filling the dinghy and I've not had any problems.  For offshore passages with a chance of serious gales, like a Transatlantic West to East, however, I would put the dinghy on the aft deck and the engine in the aft locker.   For one, I don't think I could deploy a drogue with the dinghy hanging from the davits.  

I hope this helps.     

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem

Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

 

Joerg,

That is an ingenious modification to the Simpson Davits. However, I noticed that the outboard motor is actually "inboard." Can you tell me the model and HP of this motor? Also, I assume that to raise the dinghy and outboard on the davits, you first have to reverse the outboard on the dinghy transom?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 10:31 AM Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Mohammad, I have the CL 340 in Hypalon and it's in good shape after 4 seasons in the Med.  The French dealer in La Rochelle convinced me that Hypalon is the way to go for the Med/Caribbean.   I have the Amel provided davits on the 55 but I have some custom brackets which fixate the dinghy very well - no sliding or other movement whatsoever.  see pics.  For passages, I put on a cover to prevent a wave from filling the dinghy and I've not had any problems.  For offshore passages with a chance of serious gales, like a Transatlantic West to East, however, I would put the dinghy on the aft deck and the engine in the aft locker.   For one, I don't think I could deploy a drogue with the dinghy hanging from the davits.  

I hope this helps.     

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem

Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Joerg Esdorn
 

Hi Mohammad, I have the CL 340 in Hypalon and it's in good shape after 4 seasons in the Med.  The French dealer in La Rochelle convinced me that Hypalon is the way to go for the Med/Caribbean.   I have the Amel provided davits on the 55 but I have some custom brackets which fixate the dinghy very well - no sliding or other movement whatsoever.  see pics.  For passages, I put on a cover to prevent a wave from filling the dinghy and I've not had any problems.  For offshore passages with a chance of serious gales, like a Transatlantic West to East, however, I would put the dinghy on the aft deck and the engine in the aft locker.   For one, I don't think I could deploy a drogue with the dinghy hanging from the davits.  

I hope this helps.     

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem

Fuel tank cleaning

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Hi all,

 

I have noticed that there is sludge sticking to the bottom of the fuel dip stick. After enquiring about getting the tank cleaned I have some questions:

 

Are there baffles in the tank that may restrict access to the bottom of the tank in places? I notice that there are two inspection hatches, of which the forward has an electrical cable connected to a terminal on top of it. I would also like to know what that is for.

 

It was also suggested to me that the tank may be sloping downwards towards the fore so the forward part may accumulate more sludge than what my dip stick may be indicating. Is this the case?

 

Which leads to … where is the fuel outlet – fore or aft?

 

My appreciations in advance for any answers!

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

John Clanton <jclanton@...>
 

Mohammad,

 

We have had the 340 for two seasons and have been happy with it. 

 

The one drawback when Med mooring is that the gangway can’t be deployed when the tender is on the davits.  When Med mooring, we typically tie up leaving enough room between the stern and the quay to lower the dinghy to the water, then are able to extend the gangway.

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Antibes, France

Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Teun BAAS
 

Hi Aty & Mohammad,

 

I have experimented with several tenders (5 in total over 2 years) including 2 HIGHFIELDS and finally settled on a OCT (Offshore Cruising Tender – made in NEW ZEALAND) 350. Extremely happy with this tender. Very light (48 kg) – lighter than the HIGHFIELD(s); high freeboard – no water coming in at all. Besides fitting on the sundeck for limited time when making a really large crossing I have it in the davits. My main considerations were: A) No water coming in or wet butt when sitting on the side; B) Comfortable ride; C) Easy to handle when beached during low tide etc.

 

I might see you this week for coffee and we can discuss in detail.

 

Best Regards Teun

February 17, 2020 07:46:11

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 16:55
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

 

Hi all;

 

We are in the process of selecting a new tender. We are considering the Highfield CL310 or CL340. I would appreciate input on the following issues:

 

  1. Opinions on the Highfield line of tenders. Good or bad.
  2. The CL310 seems to be a bit short and the bow may not sit firmly on the Davit when pulled up. The CL340 works great but will be wider the transom creating issues in tight docking quarters. What is the shortest length used by A54 owners with success?
  3. Can some one provide a measurement from the back of the mizzenmast to the mizzen traveler? I’d like to see which tender would fit on the aft sundeck.
  4. Opinions on carrying the tender deflated, pulled up and firmly lashed to the Davits during crossings? I’m concerned about following seas and waves hitting the tender and placing a substantial force on the Davits.
  5. PVC or Hypalon? There is about a 2000 Euro upcharge for Hypalon.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Wolfgang. The pictures are very helpful.

 

What is the spacing between your Davits? On our factory installed Davits the lifting points are 210cm apart and I believe the bow of the CL310 will barely catch the Davit.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 6:49 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

 

I have the Highfield 310 in Hypalon and Yamaha 15 HP 2-stroke which is far better than my old Zodiac Fastroller 320.
I think a 340 is to big.
It is possible to open the hatch of the shower even if the dinghy is over the hatch. Enough space to use the winches at the mizzenmast.
On passages ( normal sea, not  transocean ) the  dinghy is  fixed  to  Cooneymarine Oval 15Zero davits with dyneema.
On the aftdeck I use a 50 USD Protection from walmart against the sun.
Wolfgang SY ELISE Amel 54 #162

Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Jamie.

 

Keep in mind that the CL340 (same length as our current Zodiac) is wider than the stern and therefore does create issues when leaving the dock when docked stern to in tight quarters in strong cross winds. As an example, if you have a sail boat of similar or smaller size docked next to you, the bow on the dinghy will be at the same height as the life lines of that boat and as you leave dock, in a strong cross wind, the bow of the dinghy may catch the stanchions of the boat next to you.

 

This obviously mainly applies to the Med where you mostly dock stern to. However, the advantages of the CL340 seem to far outweigh the downsides and this is where we are leaning.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jamie Wendell via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 4:57 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

 

I have always carried my Apex HD (hypalon) 3.1-meter dinghy on the davits during crossing and have never had a problem (always stored the motor separately on the railing). I have custom davits that are very high, so if I get a wave high enough to hit or fill the dinghy I will have far greater concerns......?
Since the Apex is now nearly 8 years old, I have ordered a new (slightly larger) Highfield CL340. This time, I will be keeping the motor on the dinghy.
I have my fingers crossed it will all work out when I get it in May.
Jamie
Phantom A54 #44

Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Wolfgang Weber
 

I have the Highfield 310 in Hypalon and Yamaha 15 HP 2-stroke which is far better than my old Zodiac Fastroller 320.
I think a 340 is to big.
It is possible to open the hatch of the shower even if the dinghy is over the hatch. Enough space to use the winches at the mizzenmast.
On passages ( normal sea, not  transocean ) the  dinghy is  fixed  to  Cooneymarine Oval 15Zero davits with dyneema.
On the aftdeck I use a 50 USD Protection from walmart against the sun.
Wolfgang SY ELISE Amel 54 #162

Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Jamie Wendell
 

I have always carried my Apex HD (hypalon) 3.1-meter dinghy on the davits during crossing and have never had a problem (always stored the motor separately on the railing). I have custom davits that are very high, so if I get a wave high enough to hit or fill the dinghy I will have far greater concerns......?
Since the Apex is now nearly 8 years old, I have ordered a new (slightly larger) Highfield CL340. This time, I will be keeping the motor on the dinghy.
I have my fingers crossed it will all work out when I get it in May.
Jamie
Phantom A54 #44

Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Mohammad,

1. We have a Highfield PVC RIB since 2014. Very happy with it.
2/3. We are an SM so a bit shorter.
4. Don't do it, one decent wave from the stern or quarter and the weight of the water that fills the dinghy hull will break something, maybe your dinghy, but maybe the davits too. We stow ours upside down on the aft cabin roof. We have an elasticated Sunbrella cover that was custom made to fit the dinghy and it is held down on the two rails with two wide webbing strap ratchet tie downs. We have not had an issue with that in  15,000 miles of pacific voyaging so far.
5. Ours is PVC and because it is covered a lot of the time we don't see an issue with UV, however, I regularly clean the PVC and protect it with 303 protectant..it still looks like new.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Peter Forbes
 

Dear Mohammad,

I have Highfiled PVC and it has lasted well for 5 years and still going strong. I think it is a 270 and takes a 6 HP Yamaha and fine inflated on the back deck for ocean crossings. It holds 4 adults and some kit. It is also light enough to hoist on my aft solar arch for shorter crossings. The Hypalon is, I was told, better but ours lasted for a circumnavigation and is still going well - I guess it will last 10 years. It has a metal lower hull and a front small stowage.

best wishes

Peter
Peter Forbes
Carango
AMEL 54 #035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 17 Feb 2020, at 00:54, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:



Hi all;

 

We are in the process of selecting a new tender. We are considering the Highfield CL310 or CL340. I would appreciate input on the following issues:

 

  1. Opinions on the Highfield line of tenders. Good or bad.
  2. The CL310 seems to be a bit short and the bow may not sit firmly on the Davit when pulled up. The CL340 works great but will be wider the transom creating issues in tight docking quarters. What is the shortest length used by A54 owners with success?
  3. Can some one provide a measurement from the back of the mizzenmast to the mizzen traveler? I’d like to see which tender would fit on the aft sundeck.
  4. Opinions on carrying the tender deflated, pulled up and firmly lashed to the Davits during crossings? I’m concerned about following seas and waves hitting the tender and placing a substantial force on the Davits.
  5. PVC or Hypalon? There is about a 2000 Euro upcharge for Hypalon.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099