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Wind Generator/Link10 Wiring

Tim Melbourne
 

My wind generator is wired straight into house battery terminals, thus bypassing the Link10 multimeter so I cannot see its current generation when it's spinning fast (and producing, putatively, up to 25 amps@24V, ie, half a kw).  I want to rewire its negative lead from the minus terminal of the house battery to the upstream side of the Link10 shunt.  Currently it's connected to the downstream side of the shunt because via the house batteries negative terminal. 

Where is the best place to hook the minus lead into the upstream side of the shunt?  Is there a junction box somewhere to which all the house 24V systems connect their minus (-) lead to so that Link10 can see their current use?   If so, where is it?  

Thanks,
Tim

SV Third Wish
SM2K #306


Lock downs on floor boards

Joerg Esdorn
 

I have been wondering how to install lock downs on the floor boards of my 55 so they cannot open in extreme conditions.  Has anyone installed them and could share a picture and make and model fittings used?  Many thanks!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem


Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Joerg Esdorn
 

Here are some responses to Mohammad's questions:
1.  I have a Honda 20HP outboard, which is quite heavy (but the same weight as the 15HP).  The boat behaves well with it - no issues.  
2.  I can plane with 4 people in it but not too much luggage.  This was my objective.
3.  I don't think I have any options - unless the 2 lockers upfront are an option.  One of them is for the gas tank and the other for the anchor.  Work well.  Maybe it would be nice to have a cleat for the anchor line.  
4. No issues.  After 3 years of trying to get the dinghy to stop swinging around and the engine throttle taking the load when sailing on starboard tack (because the dinghy slides over when the boat heels), I now have very little movement.  I also have 5 cm wide belts as tie downs.  
5.  Yes, on the 55 the dinghy fits perfectly sideways in front of the traveler and behind the mizzen.  

I first saw the rounded dinghy stops on the davits of Fortuna II, Paul Brown's boat.  I modified them to give a few cm more space between the davits and the dinghy because the strops would otherwise have bottomed out against the davits.  If you have different lifting strops, you can have the space reduced which brings the dinghy marginally further up.  

I hope this helps.  

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem


Re: Size of main anchor for Super Maramu

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Victor,

 We have had galvanised chain attached to a stainless anchor for the last 20 years. No signs of corrosion.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Kilada, Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of VICTOR MOLERO <victor.moleroxx@...>
Sent: 18 February 2020 13:53
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Group Moderators <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Size of main anchor for Super Maramu
 
Hello all.
I am also in the process of getting a Mantus 105lb. My intention is to keep the current 10mm inox chain with the galvanized new Mantus, but I am concerned with galvanized corrosion. Any experience with this that anyone can share...?
Thanks
Victor
SM #314 Alendoy


Re: Size of main anchor for Super Maramu

VICTOR MOLERO
 

Hello all.
I am also in the process of getting a Mantus 105lb. My intention is to keep the current 10mm inox chain with the galvanized new Mantus, but I am concerned with galvanized corrosion. Any experience with this that anyone can share...?
Thanks
Victor
SM #314 Alendoy


Re: Size of main anchor for Super Maramu

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi,
There are a number of Amel yachts that have Mantus anchors fitted including several SM that have a 105lb Mantus. We are in the process of fitting one on our SM2K.

Here is an article of one such boat that fitted the Mantus 105lb. 

Regards
Ross
SV INTREPID KIWI
SM2K #356

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 10:03 am, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Hi Steve,

In my opinion a 47kg Mantus is overkill. Remember that the system is as strong as its weakest link. Pay particular attention to swivels and other connectors. 

I would suggest looking for something around 40kg as a maximum. For my 54 I chose a 37kg Spade anchor. When it is well set I can not budge it with a lot of power, I also went for new 10mm Grade 70 chain rather than the grade 40 and a massive Mantus swivel and special shackle that is as strong as the grade 70 chain. The original 30kg WASI is now a second anchor, but in my view it is undersized and a bit old fashioned. It does however fit well on the port roller, and is ready to go, and more or less manageable from a dinghy.

Obviously there is a good argument for a massive anchor, but as you point out you must consider the windlass and the rest of the system.

All in my humble opinion.

Nick

Amelia AML 54-019
Kilada Greece.
On 18 Feb 2020, at 08:30, Stephen Nicholson <stevenich@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
I am about to purchase a new Mantus 47 kg (105lb) galvanised anchor for my Super Maramu, which is the same size as that on SvDelos, but quite large for an SM which seem to usually have anchors around 30kg. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find out how Delos have got on with it, but most experienced sailors say it is better to go bigger for the extra security.  With an all chain rode, 10mm I think, am I putting too much strain on the windlass on a daily basis? I would appreciate your thoughts and recommendations.
Steve Nicholson
SM Antigua II #89


Re: Are Amel boats quiet?

Paul Osterberg
 

Mine is very quiet no squiky sounds even during very uncomfortable passages. only a small sound from the wind screen/doghouse but that is a very minor issue. My friends sailing with us always comment that it is a very quiet boat
Paul on sykerpa SM#259


Re: Are Amel boats quiet?

Alan Leslie
 

Yes they are quiet....almost totally
We had an annoying squeak last year in big seas, it was traced to one of the bolts holding down the hard dodger. Tightened it and the others, squeak gone.
The only noise we have is from the sea running past the boat ( I quite like that), and sometimes going up wind and a bit overpowered, she slams.
We have lock downs on our opening floorboards to prevent them opening but I would have to say we have never had any cupboards come open, not even the drawers just forward of the nav station, and we have been in some pretty rough stuff sometimes.
I have never ever seen any boat that is as well constructed as our Amel SM 2000, and it was gratifying to see at La Rochelle last year the the new 50 and 60 are built in exactly the same way.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Size of main anchor for Super Maramu

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Steve,

In my opinion a 47kg Mantus is overkill. Remember that the system is as strong as its weakest link. Pay particular attention to swivels and other connectors. 

I would suggest looking for something around 40kg as a maximum. For my 54 I chose a 37kg Spade anchor. When it is well set I can not budge it with a lot of power, I also went for new 10mm Grade 70 chain rather than the grade 40 and a massive Mantus swivel and special shackle that is as strong as the grade 70 chain. The original 30kg WASI is now a second anchor, but in my view it is undersized and a bit old fashioned. It does however fit well on the port roller, and is ready to go, and more or less manageable from a dinghy.

Obviously there is a good argument for a massive anchor, but as you point out you must consider the windlass and the rest of the system.

All in my humble opinion.

Nick

Amelia AML 54-019
Kilada Greece.

On 18 Feb 2020, at 08:30, Stephen Nicholson <stevenich@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
I am about to purchase a new Mantus 47 kg (105lb) galvanised anchor for my Super Maramu, which is the same size as that on SvDelos, but quite large for an SM which seem to usually have anchors around 30kg. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find out how Delos have got on with it, but most experienced sailors say it is better to go bigger for the extra security.  With an all chain rode, 10mm I think, am I putting too much strain on the windlass on a daily basis? I would appreciate your thoughts and recommendations.
Steve Nicholson
SM Antigua II #89


Size of main anchor for Super Maramu

Stephen Nicholson
 

Hello everyone,
I am about to purchase a new Mantus 47 kg (105lb) galvanised anchor for my Super Maramu, which is the same size as that on SvDelos, but quite large for an SM which seem to usually have anchors around 30kg. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find out how Delos have got on with it, but most experienced sailors say it is better to go bigger for the extra security.  With an all chain rode, 10mm I think, am I putting too much strain on the windlass on a daily basis? I would appreciate your thoughts and recommendations.
Steve Nicholson
SM Antigua II #89


Re: Are Amel boats quiet?

heinz@quetzal.berlin
 

Hello 
I was at the boat show in La Rochelle with my wife two years ago. There we visited a Lagoon, a Hallberg-Rassy (beautiful yacht) and the New Amel 50.  As soon as we entered the boats, the loud creaking of the floor boards on the first two yachts could be felt and heard. 
With the Lagoon, it must be said that a charter version is always different from an owner version. 
A friend of mine wants to buy a catamaran and has the same problem. My objection here is that with a catamaran of similar size and price, the quality has to take a back seat. 
In addition, these products are mass produced. 
Thank God I own a 20 year old Amel Super Maramu 2000 and I can safely say that it is a very quiet boat. Nothing rattles, the floor is solid and all cupboards still close tight. 
It is clear that there is always noise from shrouds, beating sails, ropes and waves while sailing. But these are minimized by the quality of the construction. 
You should also not neglect the safety aspect when making your purchase decisions. 
The Amel shipyard is also known for this. 

Cheers HEINZ
SY Quetzal, SM 2000, 292 

Am 18.02.2020 um 03:27 schrieb Ruslan Osmonov <rosmonov@...>:


Hi, could you please let me know if Amel boats, SM specifically, are quiet boats? I’ve chartered Lagoon catamaran last week and it was a noise generating machine at anchorage and during passages. 
They wrap standing rigging with plastic tubes and when wind blows above 10 knots those tubes start to vibrate and transfer noise to rigging and then hulls. When you are in a cabin it feels like airplane propeller right next to you. I was very surprised when I realized where the noise is coming from. 
Also during sailing and at rolly anchorages boat flexed and squeaked a lot. I was not expecting so much squeaking from a 2 year old boat. 
I know Amel’s are a different class of a boat and build quality, but would like to confirm  from this group what to expect. I’ve read marketing materials that bulkheads are glasses to hull and this eliminates squeaking, but what about all the other parts (floorboards, cabinets, etc)? Could you let me know how quiet Amel’s are and what to expect? 

Thanks in advance for your help. 
--


Re: Are Amel boats quiet?

eric freedman
 

Hi,

Kimberlite is now almost 18 years old. We have about 65,000 Sea miles on her. We never have had a squeak or rattle.

It is quite quiet except when beating into very large waves. The boat never had any water below even when it was totally submerged probably 20 times in a hurricane. It was very strange to have to hold your breath in the cockpit with the sea over your head until the water quickly subsided. It was really cool  seeing just the masts sticking out of the water for a few seconds until the boat popped back up. When we have been knocked down all cabinets and hatches remained closed with very little flying around (Books etc).

There is no other boat that I would ever want to own.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 11:32 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Are Amel boats quiet?

 

Hi;

 

We have zero creeks or noise in any condition that we encountered so far. The construction of Amels are unlike any I had seen in the 4 year search, it took to select our boat. We started from a blank slate.

 

We spent 3 days at the factory, before we made our final decision and looked at the different stages of construction. All bulkheads are glassed to the hulls and the deck is glassed to the hull, while still in the mold. No mechanical connections, that we could see. When you look at the construction before the deck goes on, it is built like a honeycomb. Therefore, there is almost zero flex and twist. The twisting and flexing is what leads to different parts rubbing against each other and creating the noise. Ours is quiet in a blow or at a rolly anchorage.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ruslan Osmonov via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 6:27 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Are Amel boats quiet?

 

Hi, could you please let me know if Amel boats, SM specifically, are quiet boats? I’ve chartered Lagoon catamaran last week and it was a noise generating machine at anchorage and during passages. 

They wrap standing rigging with plastic tubes and when wind blows above 10 knots those tubes start to vibrate and transfer noise to rigging and then hulls. When you are in a cabin it feels like airplane propeller right next to you. I was very surprised when I realized where the noise is coming from. 

Also during sailing and at rolly anchorages boat flexed and squeaked a lot. I was not expecting so much squeaking from a 2 year old boat. 

I know Amel’s are a different class of a boat and build quality, but would like to confirm  from this group what to expect. I’ve read marketing materials that bulkheads are glasses to hull and this eliminates squeaking, but what about all the other parts (floorboards, cabinets, etc)? Could you let me know how quiet Amel’s are and what to expect? 

 

Thanks in advance for your help. 

--


Re: Are Amel boats quiet?

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi;

 

We have zero creeks or noise in any condition that we encountered so far. The construction of Amels are unlike any I had seen in the 4 year search, it took to select our boat. We started from a blank slate.

 

We spent 3 days at the factory, before we made our final decision and looked at the different stages of construction. All bulkheads are glassed to the hulls and the deck is glassed to the hull, while still in the mold. No mechanical connections, that we could see. When you look at the construction before the deck goes on, it is built like a honeycomb. Therefore, there is almost zero flex and twist. The twisting and flexing is what leads to different parts rubbing against each other and creating the noise. Ours is quiet in a blow or at a rolly anchorage.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ruslan Osmonov via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 6:27 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Are Amel boats quiet?

 

Hi, could you please let me know if Amel boats, SM specifically, are quiet boats? I’ve chartered Lagoon catamaran last week and it was a noise generating machine at anchorage and during passages. 

They wrap standing rigging with plastic tubes and when wind blows above 10 knots those tubes start to vibrate and transfer noise to rigging and then hulls. When you are in a cabin it feels like airplane propeller right next to you. I was very surprised when I realized where the noise is coming from. 

Also during sailing and at rolly anchorages boat flexed and squeaked a lot. I was not expecting so much squeaking from a 2 year old boat. 

I know Amel’s are a different class of a boat and build quality, but would like to confirm  from this group what to expect. I’ve read marketing materials that bulkheads are glasses to hull and this eliminates squeaking, but what about all the other parts (floorboards, cabinets, etc)? Could you let me know how quiet Amel’s are and what to expect? 

 

Thanks in advance for your help. 

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AmelYachtOwners] Pantaenius nsurance

eric freedman
 

HI,

With your Pantaenius where do you  live in the USA?

If you are in the USA where do you keep your boat in hurricane season , and if not in the USA where are you located?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Meury
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:13 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Novamar Insurance

 

amazing...as i was just in the process of talking with them.  I have the same issue with pantan.

 

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 1:17 PM Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io <carlylelk=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

I received a notice of non-renewal from Novamar today.  They stated in the letter that the reason for non-renewal was a change in their underwriting practices.  They also said that the non-renewal was not due to anything pertaining to me.  Thought I'd let people know here in case you have novamar insurance.  My agent was unable to give me an explanation for Novamars change in policy. It could be just for boats down in the Caribbean, or they might be getting out of the marine recreational insurance industry altogether.

Duane
Wanderer SM#477


Re: Recommended solar panel brand

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Scott,

 

Why do you use parallel - Is it to do with partial shading? Mine are in series to minimise loss in the cable as I have no space for thicker cables.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah
Sent: 17 February 2020 20:35
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Recommended solar panel brand

 

David,

I have experience with LG Neon2 320w panels and that's it. I have 3 of them wired IN PARALLEL on my aft custom arch and run through a Victron BlueSolar MPPT into Victron LiFePO4 batteries and have averaged around 200-225 amp hours a day of production. I'm pretty happy with them.

I know I sound like a lithium preacher, but consider lithium if you don't have it. I believe it's Porter McRoberts who has a similar solar setup as me but outputs far less because his AGM(?) batteries can't take full charging current at high states of charge. And when you add in 25-30% charging inefficiency for lead vs. 2-3% for lifepo4, my 960w array would be the equivalent to a 720w array if I had AGM/Gel/Flooded Lead.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Are Amel boats quiet?

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Mine has squeaks and creeks... it’s a boat!

However comparing a Lagoon catamoron to an Amel is carp. 

:-). 


On 18/02/2020, at 3:27 PM, Ruslan Osmonov <rosmonov@...> wrote:


Hi, could you please let me know if Amel boats, SM specifically, are quiet boats? I’ve chartered Lagoon catamaran last week and it was a noise generating machine at anchorage and during passages. 
They wrap standing rigging with plastic tubes and when wind blows above 10 knots those tubes start to vibrate and transfer noise to rigging and then hulls. When you are in a cabin it feels like airplane propeller right next to you. I was very surprised when I realized where the noise is coming from. 
Also during sailing and at rolly anchorages boat flexed and squeaked a lot. I was not expecting so much squeaking from a 2 year old boat. 
I know Amel’s are a different class of a boat and build quality, but would like to confirm  from this group what to expect. I’ve read marketing materials that bulkheads are glasses to hull and this eliminates squeaking, but what about all the other parts (floorboards, cabinets, etc)? Could you let me know how quiet Amel’s are and what to expect? 

Thanks in advance for your help. 
--


Are Amel boats quiet?

Ruslan Osmonov
 

Hi, could you please let me know if Amel boats, SM specifically, are quiet boats? I’ve chartered Lagoon catamaran last week and it was a noise generating machine at anchorage and during passages. 
They wrap standing rigging with plastic tubes and when wind blows above 10 knots those tubes start to vibrate and transfer noise to rigging and then hulls. When you are in a cabin it feels like airplane propeller right next to you. I was very surprised when I realized where the noise is coming from. 
Also during sailing and at rolly anchorages boat flexed and squeaked a lot. I was not expecting so much squeaking from a 2 year old boat. 
I know Amel’s are a different class of a boat and build quality, but would like to confirm  from this group what to expect. I’ve read marketing materials that bulkheads are glasses to hull and this eliminates squeaking, but what about all the other parts (floorboards, cabinets, etc)? Could you let me know how quiet Amel’s are and what to expect? 

Thanks in advance for your help. 
--


Re: Fuel tank cleaning

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Scott,

 

Thanks for that. Yes, I should have guessed the wires for the gauge! A for the possible slope I guess I could put a spirit level on and see what it averages out at.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah
Sent: 17 February 2020 20:27
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel tank cleaning

 

Paul,

Pretty sure fuel outlet is fore as that's where the Racors are. The forward hatch wires are for the electronic fuel gauge in the cockpit fuel locker. 

There's bit of a baffle. Just open up the hatches and all will be obvious. It's pretty easy to open.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Recommended solar panel brand

Porter McRoberts
 

Exactly correct Scott. Next power investment will be lithiums. 
Porter
A54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 
Www.fouribis.com

On Feb 17, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:

David,

I have experience with LG Neon2 320w panels and that's it. I have 3 of them wired IN PARALLEL on my aft custom arch and run through a Victron BlueSolar MPPT into Victron LiFePO4 batteries and have averaged around 200-225 amp hours a day of production. I'm pretty happy with them.

I know I sound like a lithium preacher, but consider lithium if you don't have it. I believe it's Porter McRoberts who has a similar solar setup as me but outputs far less because his AGM(?) batteries can't take full charging current at high states of charge. And when you add in 25-30% charging inefficiency for lead vs. 2-3% for lifepo4, my 960w array would be the equivalent to a 720w array if I had AGM/Gel/Flooded Lead.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: A54 bow thruster directly to battery or through main switches?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Thanks for the input everyone. We literally have resigned to having Sleipner New Zealand look at it, when we get there in November!! But the fact that two of you have experienced failures on the short cables on the motor means it's worth looking at.

I have gone through the entire Sleipner troubleshooting guide, linked below, which should eliminate control circuit malfunctions. The problem still persists.

Trouble-shooting Guide for DC Thrusters - Imtrawww.imtra.com › Products › SP_Troubleshooting_Guide_with_IPC

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com