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Re: Sailing performance Mango vs Super Maramu

Massimo Vecchietti
 

....I  am extreme SM is a sailing boat...
Mango is a house boat!
Max
Patchouli II   SM#84

Il Gio 20 Feb 2020, 02:33 Slavko Despotovi <slavko@...> ha scritto:
Hello,

I am on the market for Amel. Have seen Mango and Super Maramu. At first I was very much into Mango but after inspecting Super Maramu I am more into SM now. I would very much appreciate any insight about the differences of two boats. Like sailing perfomance, systems....


regards,

Slavko


Re: HF plate cleaning

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

I used a Steel-Brush to get rid of all the growth on it.
Cheers 
Ruedi
SY WASABI
AMEL 54 #55


On 20 Feb 2020, at 12:23, Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Many thanks Alan


Cheers


On 20/02/2020, at 5:53 PM, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

I use a wire brush
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Size of main anchor for Super Maramu

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi Steven,

We are still waiting for delivery of our 47kg Mantus anchor, but the research I did on the working load of the 1200W Lofrans winch provided proof that the winch will handle raising the anchor and chain, providing good anchoring techniques are used ie motoring up to the anchor and breaking out the anchor by motoring over it rather than using the winch.

The maximum pulling power of the 1200W Lofrans winch is well with in the limits of raising the weight of 80m of 10mm chain and 47kg anchor, should you ever require to do this, ie drag anchor into deeper water. I will test our winch however to be certain as part of the trials once we have have our new anchor on board.

We will not change our current 10mm anchor chain.

Kind regards
Ross and Donna
SV INTREPID KIWI

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 10:13 pm, Stephen Nicholson <stevenich@...> wrote:

Hello Ross,
Many thanks for your reply about fitting a 105 Mantus anchor!
I would be very grateful if you would advise me if you, or other Amel owners you know, increased chain size or windlass size etc when fitting the new Mantus anchor, in order to cope with the extra weight involved.
Many Thanks,
Steve Nicholson
SM Antigua II #89


On 18 Feb 2020, at 11:40, Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via Groups.Io <southernadventurer@...> wrote:

 Hi,
There are a number of Amel yachts that have Mantus anchors fitted including several SM that have a 105lb Mantus. We are in the process of fitting one on our SM2K.

Here is an article of one such boat that fitted the Mantus 105lb. 

Regards
Ross
SV INTREPID KIWI
SM2K #356
Currently Croatia
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 10:03 am, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Hi Steve,

In my opinion a 47kg Mantus is overkill. Remember that the system is as strong as its weakest link. Pay particular attention to swivels and other connectors. 

I would suggest looking for something around 40kg as a maximum. For my 54 I chose a 37kg Spade anchor. When it is well set I can not budge it with a lot of power, I also went for new 10mm Grade 70 chain rather than the grade 40 and a massive Mantus swivel and special shackle that is as strong as the grade 70 chain. The original 30kg WASI is now a second anchor, but in my view it is undersized and a bit old fashioned. It does however fit well on the port roller, and is ready to go, and more or less manageable from a dinghy.

Obviously there is a good argument for a massive anchor, but as you point out you must consider the windlass and the rest of the system.

All in my humble opinion.

Nick

Amelia AML 54-019
Kilada Greece.
On 18 Feb 2020, at 08:30, Stephen Nicholson <stevenich@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
I am about to purchase a new Mantus 47 kg (105lb) galvanised anchor for my Super Maramu, which is the same size as that on SvDelos, but quite large for an SM which seem to usually have anchors around 30kg. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find out how Delos have got on with it, but most experienced sailors say it is better to go bigger for the extra security.  With an all chain rode, 10mm I think, am I putting too much strain on the windlass on a daily basis? I would appreciate your thoughts and recommendations.
Steve Nicholson
SM Antigua II #89


Sailing performance Mango vs Super Maramu

Slavko D.
 

Hello,

I am on the market for Amel. Have seen Mango and Super Maramu. At first I was very much into Mango but after inspecting Super Maramu I am more into SM now. I would very much appreciate any insight about the differences of two boats. Like sailing perfomance, systems....


regards,

Slavko


Re: HF plate cleaning

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Many thanks Alan


Cheers


On 20/02/2020, at 5:53 PM, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

I use a wire brush
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: HF plate cleaning

Alan Leslie
 

I use a wire brush
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Size of main anchor for Super Maramu

Karen Smith
 

Hi Stephen,
We have the 47kg Mantus and the windlass handles it just fine. We did install the Mantus Anchor Mate so that it sits properly when raised. We also use their swivel, snubber, headlamps and are very happy with all of their products.
Karen Smith
SM Harmonie #160


Re: Lock downs on floor boards

CARINA HAMMARLUND
 

Hi all & Bill,

I recommend that this kind of conversation and personal opinion of a fellow Amel owner Is kept out of this forum.

This is obviously a matter between the two persons and are better kept on a private level, since it add no value to the rest of us

Lets keep a good tone to each other,
--
Carina
SV Ultimo
Amel 54 No 165


Re: Lock downs on floor boards

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Joel,

Disagreeing is good for communications.

However, what I wrote is a true anecdote to which you were obviously not a party.

`Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, NZ


On 20 Feb 2020, at 13:06, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Bill, categorically and assuredly, those lock downs were installed by a beaver with bad teeth. JP is always so full of crap and leads folks down his errant path. I cannot afford to piss him and his support group off so I leave it alone but I can tell you, absolutely that Amel did not install those lock downs. Justification # 1, why have key locks inside a boat with a locked companionway? Need I say more?  Everyone named JP is an *** ****.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Feb 19, 2020, at 3:24 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


JP, Ken, et al

None of the other hundred or more SMs that I have been aboard had PERKO latches. Perco is a Florida company. If anyone is interested in the latches shown in the photos that were added to this SM, here is the contact information:
Perko Inc.
16490 Northwest 13th Avenue
Miami, Florida 33169-5707
305.621.7525 [Phone]

I am not sure where in Europe Amel sourced the latches that Amel optionally installed on SMs. Regarding the installation of floor latches/locks, I have always believed that having the floor hatches locked in case of a roll inverting the boat would be the least of my worries. That said, BeBe SM 387 had Amel installed latches and they were not Perko.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar
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On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 1:20 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Hi Gang,

Our friends Ken and Zeville on SM2K Aquarius sent us this. Their floor boards were built like this at the factory

Cheers

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera 




Begin forwarded message:

From: Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
Date: 20 February 2020 at 5:20:16 AM NZDT
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re:  [AmelYachtOwners] Lock downs on floor boards
Reply-To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

Here are photos of the Lock Downs on Aquarius.

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K #262


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<ClosedLatch.jpg>
<OpenLatch.jpg>
<UnderSide.jpg>


Re: Lock downs on floor boards

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Bill et al,

These latches were installed by Amel at the yard during the build.  (Sometimes... Amel did some customisation to get a sale)

The first owner was a Luxemburger (Jean-Pierre Friedrich) and when he ordered, he was either on his second or third Amel; apparently, the yard hid the boat to prevent Mr Henri from seeing what the marketing people had agreed to do beyond normal in order to secure the sale.  The original owner was also looking at an HR unless he got some changes accepted.

For instance, the single in the salon is in fact a double on this boat.  Additionally, all watertight doors are reinforced substantially and have large internal locks to prevent cabin access in event of an unfriendly boarding.

Add this one to your unusual anecdotes at Amel.

For other options, reach out to the new owner of 444... he has latched floor boards.  Done in Europe to a very high standard.

BTW, Aquarius is lovely

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007, NZ


On 20 Feb 2020, at 09:23, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


JP, Ken, et al
Hé single 
None of the other hundred or more SMs that I have been aboard had PERKO latches. Perco is a Florida companyring . If anyone is interested in the latches shown in the photos that were added to this SM, here is the contact information:
Perko Inc.
16490 Northwest 13th Avenue
Miami, Florida 33169-5707
305.621.7525 [Phone]

I am not sure where in Europe Amel sourced the latches that Amel optionally installed on SMs. Regarding the installation of floor latches/locks, I have always believed that having the floor hatches locked in case of a roll inverting the boat would be the least of my worries. That said, BeBe SM 387 had Amel installed latches and they were not Perko.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar
cloudHQPowered by
cloudHQ


On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 1:20 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Hi Gang,

Our friends Ken and Zeville on SM2K Aquarius sent us this. Their floor boards were built like this at the factory

Cheers

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera 




Begin forwarded message:

From: Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
Date: 20 February 2020 at 5:20:16 AM NZDT
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re:  [AmelYachtOwners] Lock downs on floor boards
Reply-To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

Here are photos of the Lock Downs on Aquarius.

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K #262


<HookedHere.jpg>
<ClosedLatch.jpg>
<OpenLatch.jpg>
<UnderSide.jpg>


Re: Size of main anchor for Super Maramu

Stephen Nicholson
 

Hello Ross,
Many thanks for your reply about fitting a 105 Mantus anchor!
I would be very grateful if you would advise me if you, or other Amel owners you know, increased chain size or windlass size etc when fitting the new Mantus anchor, in order to cope with the extra weight involved.
Many Thanks,
Steve Nicholson
SM Antigua II #89


On 18 Feb 2020, at 11:40, Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via Groups.Io <southernadventurer@...> wrote:

 Hi,
There are a number of Amel yachts that have Mantus anchors fitted including several SM that have a 105lb Mantus. We are in the process of fitting one on our SM2K.

Here is an article of one such boat that fitted the Mantus 105lb. 

Regards
Ross
SV INTREPID KIWI
SM2K #356
Currently Croatia
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 10:03 am, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Hi Steve,

In my opinion a 47kg Mantus is overkill. Remember that the system is as strong as its weakest link. Pay particular attention to swivels and other connectors. 

I would suggest looking for something around 40kg as a maximum. For my 54 I chose a 37kg Spade anchor. When it is well set I can not budge it with a lot of power, I also went for new 10mm Grade 70 chain rather than the grade 40 and a massive Mantus swivel and special shackle that is as strong as the grade 70 chain. The original 30kg WASI is now a second anchor, but in my view it is undersized and a bit old fashioned. It does however fit well on the port roller, and is ready to go, and more or less manageable from a dinghy.

Obviously there is a good argument for a massive anchor, but as you point out you must consider the windlass and the rest of the system.

All in my humble opinion.

Nick

Amelia AML 54-019
Kilada Greece.
On 18 Feb 2020, at 08:30, Stephen Nicholson <stevenich@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
I am about to purchase a new Mantus 47 kg (105lb) galvanised anchor for my Super Maramu, which is the same size as that on SvDelos, but quite large for an SM which seem to usually have anchors around 30kg. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find out how Delos have got on with it, but most experienced sailors say it is better to go bigger for the extra security.  With an all chain rode, 10mm I think, am I putting too much strain on the windlass on a daily basis? I would appreciate your thoughts and recommendations.
Steve Nicholson
SM Antigua II #89


Re: Lock downs on floor boards

 

JP, Ken, et al

None of the other hundred or more SMs that I have been aboard had PERKO latches. Perco is a Florida company. If anyone is interested in the latches shown in the photos that were added to this SM, here is the contact information:
Perko Inc.
16490 Northwest 13th Avenue
Miami, Florida 33169-5707
305.621.7525 [Phone]

I am not sure where in Europe Amel sourced the latches that Amel optionally installed on SMs. Regarding the installation of floor latches/locks, I have always believed that having the floor hatches locked in case of a roll inverting the boat would be the least of my worries. That said, BeBe SM 387 had Amel installed latches and they were not Perko.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar
cloudHQPowered by
cloudHQ


On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 1:20 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Hi Gang,

Our friends Ken and Zeville on SM2K Aquarius sent us this. Their floor boards were built like this at the factory

Cheers

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera 




Begin forwarded message:

From: Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
Date: 20 February 2020 at 5:20:16 AM NZDT
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re:  [AmelYachtOwners] Lock downs on floor boards
Reply-To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

Here are photos of the Lock Downs on Aquarius.

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K #262



Lock downs on floor boards

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Gang,

Our friends Ken and Zeville on SM2K Aquarius sent us this. Their floor boards were built like this at the factory

Cheers

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera 




Begin forwarded message:

From: Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
Date: 20 February 2020 at 5:20:16 AM NZDT
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re:  [AmelYachtOwners] Lock downs on floor boards
Reply-To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

Here are photos of the Lock Downs on Aquarius.

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K #262



HF plate cleaning

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi All,

We are on the hard and I wish to clean the grounding plate on the Skegness.

How do you proceed? What product do you use?

Kind regards,

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM007, NZ


Re: Recommended solar panel brand

Porter McRoberts
 

As I understand it, series vs parallel is a trade off. In series, in full light, there is reduced impedance because of the higher transmission voltages to the MPPT ostensibly close to the batteries. In parallel, higher resistances( 3x) because 1/3rd the transmission voltage, but when shading one panel you still have 2/3 the amperage at the same voltage that you had with no shading. 
So it’s a trade off. For us: we went with series installation as our plan was less time around other masts and more time in Anchorages and sailing. I’d love to see actual numbers. 
Never sure I made the right choice, except I run the genny for water and laundry only now, so solar has been a big improvement over all. 

Porter
A54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 
Www.fouribis.com

On Feb 19, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:



The Amel installation includes a Victron 150/35 MPPT controller.  I have observed that shading is definitely an issue.  As the sun makes its way around, there are always times when the mizzen boom, mizzen mast, SSB whip antenna and even the US ensign makes a minor amount of shade, resulting sometimes in a big drop of output.  I have no experience with panels that do not have blocking diodes So I’m wondering how much worse the impact of shading would be. I also wonder why Amel installed the panels in series rather than Parallel as there is a tradeoff im sure.  


Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem


Main furler SM

Paul Osterberg
 

I'm servicing my furlers and wonder what kind of lubricants I should have in the main furler?
see pictures, when disassembly it was a grayish syrup like liquid
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Recommended solar panel brand

Joerg Esdorn
 

The Amel installation includes a Victron 150/35 MPPT controller.  I have observed that shading is definitely an issue.  As the sun makes its way around, there are always times when the mizzen boom, mizzen mast, SSB whip antenna and even the US ensign makes a minor amount of shade, resulting sometimes in a big drop of output.  I have no experience with panels that do not have blocking diodes So I’m wondering how much worse the impact of shading would be. I also wonder why Amel installed the panels in series rather than Parallel as there is a tradeoff im sure.  


Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem


Re: Lock downs on floor boards

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Here are some photos of the two lock-downs on our floor boards.

Aquarius
SM2K #262
Currently in Thailand

On 2/19/20, Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Hi gang,

The new owner of SM444 can possibly give you some info.

IIRC, the PO of 444 had locks on his floor panels

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM 007 NZ
On 19/02/2020, at 2:31 PM, karkauai via Groups.Io
<karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


I'd also like to hear how SM owners have installed lock-downs on the floor
lockers.

Thanks
Kent and Iris
SM 243
Kristy
Leaving Georgetown Exumas for T&C, then Martinique in the next 24 hours.

On Feb 18, 2020 10:11 AM, "Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io"
<jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have been wondering how to install lock downs on the floor boards of my
55 so they cannot open in extreme conditions. Has anyone installed them
and could share a picture and make and model fittings used? Many thanks!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem




Re: Lock downs on floor boards

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi gang, 

The new owner of SM444 can possibly give you some info. 

IIRC, the PO of 444 had locks on his floor panels

Jean-Pierre Germain 
SY Eleuthera SM 007 NZ


On 19/02/2020, at 2:31 PM, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:


I'd also like to hear how SM owners have installed lock-downs on the floor lockers.

Thanks
Kent and Iris
SM 243
Kristy
Leaving Georgetown Exumas for T&C, then Martinique in the next 24 hours.

On Feb 18, 2020 10:11 AM, "Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io" <jhe1313@...> wrote:
I have been wondering how to install lock downs on the floor boards of my 55 so they cannot open in extreme conditions.  Has anyone installed them and could share a picture and make and model fittings used?  Many thanks!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem


Re: Lock downs on floor boards

karkauai
 

I'd also like to hear how SM owners have installed lock-downs on the floor lockers.

Thanks
Kent and Iris
SM 243
Kristy
Leaving Georgetown Exumas for T&C, then Martinique in the next 24 hours.

On Feb 18, 2020 10:11 AM, "Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io" <jhe1313@...> wrote:
I have been wondering how to install lock downs on the floor boards of my 55 so they cannot open in extreme conditions.  Has anyone installed them and could share a picture and make and model fittings used?  Many thanks!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem