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Amel service support in the Pacific

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

I apologize if this sounds like a commercial, but when you are in remote places the following information can be very helpful:

When we arrived in New Caledonia we used Agents with Noumea Yacht Service for the customs/immigration process. Herve MOAL and Eva DUMAS, email: nys22@hotmail.com phone: (+687)24 01 23, offer very reasonably priced clearance services. On our arrival, Eva even met us at the dock and helped us with lines...great people.

Here is the really good part:
For years Herve was the Pacific Service Agent for Amel yachts and knows Amels thoroughly. He sailed many times with Henri Amel and he has circumnavigated in an Amel. Noumea Yacht Service also offers car rentals, tours, repairs, fuel arrangements, parts receipt, laborers, etc.

Best,

Bill
s/v Bebe SM2 #387
Noumea New Caledonia


Re: Disabled guest

Bob Fritz
 

Kent,
The website for the Chesapeake Region Accessible Boating is http://www.crab-sailing.org/ Each year my community sailing center (not on the Chesapeake) devotes a day to sailboat rides for disabled persons. I can only say that these days are among the most rewarding sailing that I've done. The joy of our guests out on the water is almost beyond belief. I've even taken a quadriplegic person out sailing. He couldn't wait to get back to his facility to tell everyone about his day on the water.

I can't help with specifics as to how to get your uncle on and off the boat as we have students from the physical therapy program at a local university assist with loading and unloading our guests, and my boat, a non-Amel 35 footer, has lifelines that can be detached, so that bringing someone onboard from the dock is realtively easy.

Bob


Re: Disabled guest

sherman.gifford
 

There is an organization in the northern Chesapeake Bay area for sailors with disabilities to sail on one-designs - the name is C.R.A.B. - I could try to locate their correspondence if you can't find it. And another absolutely incredible organization is the Jubilee Sailing Trust in the UK that operates two tall ships completely equipped for, and half crewed by, sailors with disabilities. They may have suggestions. Good luck!

Sherman Gifford
SM291 BREVIS
Richmond, VA

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "karkauai" <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi, again gang,
Different kind of problem this time. I have a 90 year old uncle who had polio as a kid, did pretty well for most of his life despite some weakness in his legs, and has deteriorated a lot over the last 10+ years due to post polio syndrome. His mind is very sharp. He is an absolute NUT about boats and the water and has gushed ever since he found out about my new SM. My aunt tells me he's more animated and excited than she's seen him in a long time.

I want to take him for a sail in the Chesapeake this Summer for at least a day, hopefully more. His son is willing to come along to help, but isn't a sailor. I'm hoping someone else has tackled the problem of getting on and off the boat, and up and down the companionway, and over bulkheads to get to the head and stateroom. He lives in WA state, so I haven't observed him myself, but it sounds like he's able to get onto and off a motorized "scooter" type wheelchair, but not able to walk more than a few steps.

I feel like I can get him on and off the dock using a halyard and bosun's chair, and maybe up and down the companionway using the extra halyard on the mizzen. Getting around in the boat may be an even bigger problem with the cabin sole moving all the time and not much room for one of us to be at his side. I'm sending pics of the boat and have encouraged him to talk to his rehab doc and/or therapist for some evaluation and maybe a mockup "boat" for him to see how he does.

Does anyone have any experience with disabled people aboard? Are there any sailing programs for disabled folks like there are for snow skiing and many other activities? Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Kent
"Kristy" SM243


Re: [Amel] Disabled guest

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent, this is Danny from SM 299. I ran my previous boat as a charter vessel (very low key, in a small harbour in New Zealand) I would encourage you to take your uncle. I took a number of disabled/elderly people out at different times and always with great results, eg "the best day of my life" My boat was a 42 ft tiller steer light weight (6 tonne) open transom New Zealand design racer cruiser with the emphasis on racer. I will tell you about one old chap we took out. He was 90 and had been disabled by a stroke. He could only walk with a man either side supporting him. Our harbour had no loading area deep enough for my keel so we had to load the old chap into my inflatable at a ramp then get him from the inflateable onto the open transom and onto the cockpit seats. I quizzed his son and daughter if this was what they really wanted and it was so my task was to make it happen.To get him from the ramp to the dinghy we placed the inflateable side on, got the old chap standing facing it. Then a man either side bent down and linked hands under his knees, the other arm around his back. One foot in the dinghy, one foot on the ramp, quick lift over the sde and sit him down. Got his daughter sitting opposite him holding his hands to stop him falling backwards during the trip out to the mooring. Secured the dinghy across the transom and lifted him aboard by the same method.
We sat him on the cockpit seat and off we went. The stroke had effected his speach and he couldn't talk but he sure communicated the excitement he felt. I was sailing conservatively but he indicated he wanted more action so we put a rope around his waist to prevent him slipping off the seat, sheeted in and got some spead and heeling over going. He loved it. In common with most men of his age the bladder had limited capacity. To get him down the companion way was not going to happen so one man either sde holding him up, facing the stern and he peed in a bucket. He didn't mind and nor did we. I was so grateful to have had the opportunity to give him such a good day. He had been one of the original surf life savers, a real action man. When we see an old disabled person it is so easy to forget that the "action man" is still in there and they love the chance to "do it again" I encourage you to go for it and make it happen for your uncle .
Regards
Danny

---- Original Message -----
From: Dave Benjamin
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Disabled guest





Kent,

Maybe these folks can help with some ideas - http://baads.org/

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, karkauai <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: karkauai <karkauai@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Disabled guest
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 9:37 PM

Hi, again gang,

Different kind of problem this time. I have a 90 year old uncle who had polio as a kid, did pretty well for most of his life despite some weakness in his legs, and has deteriorated a lot over the last 10+ years due to post polio syndrome. His mind is very sharp. He is an absolute NUT about boats and the water and has gushed ever since he found out about my new SM. My aunt tells me he's more animated and excited than she's seen him in a long time.

I want to take him for a sail in the Chesapeake this Summer for at least a day, hopefully more. His son is willing to come along to help, but isn't a sailor. I'm hoping someone else has tackled the problem of getting on and off the boat, and up and down the companionway, and over bulkheads to get to the head and stateroom. He lives in WA state, so I haven't observed him myself, but it sounds like he's able to get onto and off a motorized "scooter" type wheelchair, but not able to walk more than a few steps.

I feel like I can get him on and off the dock using a halyard and bosun's chair, and maybe up and down the companionway using the extra halyard on the mizzen. Getting around in the boat may be an even bigger problem with the cabin sole moving all the time and not much room for one of us to be at his side. I'm sending pics of the boat and have encouraged him to talk to his rehab doc and/or therapist for some evaluation and maybe a mockup "boat" for him to see how he does.

Does anyone have any experience with disabled people aboard? Are there any sailing programs for disabled folks like there are for snow skiing and many other activities? Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Kent

"Kristy" SM243


Re: [Amel] First Post Sharki leak

Jean Boucharlat
 

Don’t you worry !

This is the way the boat is designed.

As there is always some amount of water running down from the inside or
outside of a mast, rather than making futile attempts to stop this water at
deck level (any seal will start leaking with time), Amel made the wise
decision to channel it to the shower pan where it is harmless and eventually
drains to the bilge sump. Simple but effective.



All the best,



Jean Boucharlat

(Formerly SM N° 232)



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of marknjoanna55
Sent: jeudi 21 mai 2009 00:30
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] First Post Sharki leak








I have been reading and learning from the people on this list for a while
now. Thanks guys! My wife and I recently bought a Sharki. The more we learn
about and sail our baby Amel the more we love her.
We just got back from 3 weeks aboard her. During that time we experienced
very heavy rains. The only leak we ever saw was coming from the inside of a
vertical conduit of wires from the main mast. (spreader lights, masthead
tricolor etc) The leak drains into the shower/head bilge so it is no real
problem. The drains at the base of the mast seem open on deck so I do not
believe the mast is filling with water. Is this leak into the shower sump
normal? Or, how do I fix this?
Thanks,
Mark and Joanna Hanna
Amel Sharki sv: Marguerite


Re: [Amel] Disabled guest

Dave_Benjamin
 

Kent,

Maybe these folks can help with some ideas - http://baads.org/

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, karkauai <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: karkauai <karkauai@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Disabled guest
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 9:37 PM

















Hi, again gang,

Different kind of problem this time. I have a 90 year old uncle who had polio as a kid, did pretty well for most of his life despite some weakness in his legs, and has deteriorated a lot over the last 10+ years due to post polio syndrome. His mind is very sharp. He is an absolute NUT about boats and the water and has gushed ever since he found out about my new SM. My aunt tells me he's more animated and excited than she's seen him in a long time.



I want to take him for a sail in the Chesapeake this Summer for at least a day, hopefully more. His son is willing to come along to help, but isn't a sailor. I'm hoping someone else has tackled the problem of getting on and off the boat, and up and down the companionway, and over bulkheads to get to the head and stateroom. He lives in WA state, so I haven't observed him myself, but it sounds like he's able to get onto and off a motorized "scooter" type wheelchair, but not able to walk more than a few steps.



I feel like I can get him on and off the dock using a halyard and bosun's chair, and maybe up and down the companionway using the extra halyard on the mizzen. Getting around in the boat may be an even bigger problem with the cabin sole moving all the time and not much room for one of us to be at his side. I'm sending pics of the boat and have encouraged him to talk to his rehab doc and/or therapist for some evaluation and maybe a mockup "boat" for him to see how he does.



Does anyone have any experience with disabled people aboard? Are there any sailing programs for disabled folks like there are for snow skiing and many other activities? Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks in advance,

Kent

"Kristy" SM243




























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Disabled guest

karkauai
 

Hi, again gang,
Different kind of problem this time. I have a 90 year old uncle who had polio as a kid, did pretty well for most of his life despite some weakness in his legs, and has deteriorated a lot over the last 10+ years due to post polio syndrome. His mind is very sharp. He is an absolute NUT about boats and the water and has gushed ever since he found out about my new SM. My aunt tells me he's more animated and excited than she's seen him in a long time.

I want to take him for a sail in the Chesapeake this Summer for at least a day, hopefully more. His son is willing to come along to help, but isn't a sailor. I'm hoping someone else has tackled the problem of getting on and off the boat, and up and down the companionway, and over bulkheads to get to the head and stateroom. He lives in WA state, so I haven't observed him myself, but it sounds like he's able to get onto and off a motorized "scooter" type wheelchair, but not able to walk more than a few steps.

I feel like I can get him on and off the dock using a halyard and bosun's chair, and maybe up and down the companionway using the extra halyard on the mizzen. Getting around in the boat may be an even bigger problem with the cabin sole moving all the time and not much room for one of us to be at his side. I'm sending pics of the boat and have encouraged him to talk to his rehab doc and/or therapist for some evaluation and maybe a mockup "boat" for him to see how he does.

Does anyone have any experience with disabled people aboard? Are there any sailing programs for disabled folks like there are for snow skiing and many other activities? Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Kent
"Kristy" SM243


First Post Sharki leak

marksharki
 

I have been reading and learning from the people on this list for a while now. Thanks guys! My wife and I recently bought a Sharki. The more we learn about and sail our baby Amel the more we love her.
We just got back from 3 weeks aboard her. During that time we experienced very heavy rains. The only leak we ever saw was coming from the inside of a vertical conduit of wires from the main mast. (spreader lights, masthead tricolor etc) The leak drains into the shower/head bilge so it is no real problem. The drains at the base of the mast seem open on deck so I do not believe the mast is filling with water. Is this leak into the shower sump normal? Or, how do I fix this?
Thanks,
Mark and Joanna Hanna
Amel Sharki sv: Marguerite


Looking for crew

Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...>
 

I am looking for a crew person to help me sail my Amel Super Maramu, LADYBUG, from Irvington, VA. to Newport. Depending on weather, I would like to leave VA around the 26th May. I expect that the trip will take 3 days or less if we have decent wind.
The boat is well found and has made three Atlantic crossings.
Please contact Miles Bidwell, mbidwell@attglobal.net

SM 216, LADYBUG


[Amel] Re: Verical Battens, Volvo RPMs, and Watermaker hoses

karkauai
 

Thanks, Vito,
I've made a list of the things all of you have suggested as possible causes of my Volvo problem to give to the Volvo rep who is coming to check Kristy's power plant in Charleston, SC in a couple of days. If I get an answer, I'll let you all know. I'm such a dunce when it comes to working on engines of any kind I'm going to watch a few times before I start taking things apart. Guess I'll look into taking a course on deisel maintenance and repair.

Regarding the vertical battens, I can only say that so far furling in 20+ kt winds required only heading up a little and easing the main a little. They roll right in without a hitch. Mine are flat battens about 1 1/4 inch wide and maybe 3/16 inch thick. Another sailor told me his were round rod-shaped battens and that they were much more persnickity about having just the right angle and tension to enter the mast.

I'm making water!!!! After climbing in and out of the cockpit locker and taking the hoses on and off several times after Eric Meury and I accidentally pulled some of the low pressure hoses off the back of the control box before we figured out we could access it from the locker, the membranes appear to be in good shape and it makes the 60 l/h it's supposed to. The watermaker dunce has actually fixed something! (-: I found a hydrolics supply place here in Charleston (Charleston Rubber and Gasket www.chasragco.com) who made two new hoses for me from food grade tubing with stainless outer cover, stainless fittings ( 3/8" JIC fittings), and plastic covers for total of $71 US. The old tubing was deteriorated to the point that the original fittings just wouldn't bite into the outer covers any more. The company in New Jersey who is recommended by Dessalator offered to send me two new hoses, not stainless, same old fittings, for $200 each.

Thanks again for all your advice and encouragement.
Kent
"Kristy" SM 243


Re: Small cracks in helm spokes

karkauai
 

Interesting that you posted this now. I just noticed similar cracks in my helm wheel yesterday. While I haven't looked closer yet, I have to believe there is a sturdy steel wheel underneath the plastic Amel cover. I look forward to hearing what others say about this.
Kent
"Kristy" SM 243


Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104

Dave_Benjamin
 

David,
Thanks for the link. I didn't think that article ever got published in the US. We use CSF for much of our production, especially high tech sails.

--- On Tue, 5/19/09, David Mackintosh <dlm48@aol.com> wrote:

From: David Mackintosh <dlm48@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 5:29 AM

















tis China Sail Factory



http://www.proboat- digital.com/ proboat/20071011 /?pg=159



enjoy



David



2009/5/19 Charmed II <amel.sharki. charmedii@ gmail.com>



I'd like to have that copy...
Thx, Hajé
From: Dave Benjamin
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <amelyachtowners% 40yahoogroups. com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104
The sailmakers you mention have their sails built in China but they use
another loft, one that I am quite familiar with. In fact Nigel Calder
wrote an in depth article about the loft for a British periodical. I'd
be happy to send a copy to anyone interested. The article even names those
sailmakers.
Teijin is not well regarded by most sailmakers. Lee Sails Northeast
advertises on their website that they use Challenge and Bainbridge.It' s a
far cry from the higher end cloth from Dimension Polyant, Bainbridge,
Challenge, and Contender. It is cheap though. I've used Teijin cloth on
occasion for some small boat projects like a set of sails for a 13 foot
daysailer that is used by children for daysailing on a lake. There are
several lofts using Teijin produced cloth for small boat and Hobie Cat
sails. It allows them to keep the costs way down. For instance there is a
supplier here in the US that sells Laser sails for about $170 USD that uses
Teijin. Another loft sells Hobie Cat sails starting as low as $400 or so. It
is an appropriate cloth when cost is the primary consideration.
The amount you paid for your sails is less than the cost of cloth and
shipping finished sails from Asia to Europe or North America. If Teijin put
out a good quality cloth that was comparable with the manufacturers I
mentioned, reptuable sailmakers would be using it in quantity.
Caution is in order for anyone ordering direct from Lee Sails in China.
They require payment by wire transfer or bank check. You should never buy
anything like a sail unless you can use a credit card as there is no
recourse in the event of problems. You can contest a charge made with a
credit card successfully. I had a dock neighbor who tried to save some money
and ordered a sail from a loft quite some distance away. The sail was a
disaster and when the sailmaker failed to address the issue he was able to
contest the chrage and get his money refunded.
--- On Sun, 5/17/09, etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ gmail.com<amel.sharki. charmedii% 40gmail.com> >
wrote:
From: etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ gmail.com<amel.sharki. charmedii% 40gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <amelyachtowners% 40yahoogroups. com>
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 1:57 PM
Dear Dave,
Your misinterpretating my words (maybe because of the quality of my
english). I did not say the are flat without shape I said they are flat
without loosing their shape.
But even when you misunderstood your comments are wrong.
First, the sails are made from 1st quality dracron It comes from Tejin wich
is Du pont (the founder of dracron)(since they use 250000 sq metres per
annum I don't think there's enough B quality ;-))
Second, I tried to explain that I found it very good they understood I
wanted a different kind of sail GI GII in character. The GI is great for
average cruising but for (dutch average 4 a 5 SW) sportive sailing the GII
is flatter and better upwind.
Before I ordered I did some research and in Holland they are pretty well
known (the produce for Quantum, Elvstrom and UK sails to name a few. The
runner up of the IJspegelcup (biggest winter matches in Holland) had 3 year
old Leesails. When I spoke with him he told me this was the first time he
could use sails more than a season.
Without getting into a discussion about this company (I don't own them)
;-)). In files I put an article about Lee Sails.
And in Pictures you cen see us sailing with the new sails...
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104

David Mackintosh <dlm48@...>
 

tis China Sail Factory

http://www.proboat-digital.com/proboat/20071011/?pg=159

enjoy

David

2009/5/19 Charmed II <amel.sharki.charmedii@gmail.com>



I'd like to have that copy...

Thx, Hajé

From: Dave Benjamin
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104

The sailmakers you mention have their sails built in China but they use
another loft, one that I am quite familiar with. In fact Nigel Calder
wrote an in depth article about the loft for a British periodical. I'd
be happy to send a copy to anyone interested. The article even names those
sailmakers.

Teijin is not well regarded by most sailmakers. Lee Sails Northeast
advertises on their website that they use Challenge and Bainbridge.It's a
far cry from the higher end cloth from Dimension Polyant, Bainbridge,
Challenge, and Contender. It is cheap though. I've used Teijin cloth on
occasion for some small boat projects like a set of sails for a 13 foot
daysailer that is used by children for daysailing on a lake. There are
several lofts using Teijin produced cloth for small boat and Hobie Cat
sails. It allows them to keep the costs way down. For instance there is a
supplier here in the US that sells Laser sails for about $170 USD that uses
Teijin. Another loft sells Hobie Cat sails starting as low as $400 or so. It
is an appropriate cloth when cost is the primary consideration.

The amount you paid for your sails is less than the cost of cloth and
shipping finished sails from Asia to Europe or North America. If Teijin put
out a good quality cloth that was comparable with the manufacturers I
mentioned, reptuable sailmakers would be using it in quantity.

Caution is in order for anyone ordering direct from Lee Sails in China.
They require payment by wire transfer or bank check. You should never buy
anything like a sail unless you can use a credit card as there is no
recourse in the event of problems. You can contest a charge made with a
credit card successfully. I had a dock neighbor who tried to save some money
and ordered a sail from a loft quite some distance away. The sail was a
disaster and when the sailmaker failed to address the issue he was able to
contest the chrage and get his money refunded.

--- On Sun, 5/17/09, etske <amel.sharki.charmedii@gmail.com<amel.sharki.charmedii%40gmail.com>>
wrote:

From: etske <amel.sharki.charmedii@gmail.com<amel.sharki.charmedii%40gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 1:57 PM

Dear Dave,

Your misinterpretating my words (maybe because of the quality of my
english). I did not say the are flat without shape I said they are flat
without loosing their shape.

But even when you misunderstood your comments are wrong.

First, the sails are made from 1st quality dracron It comes from Tejin wich
is Du pont (the founder of dracron)(since they use 250000 sq metres per
annum I don't think there's enough B quality ;-))

Second, I tried to explain that I found it very good they understood I
wanted a different kind of sail GI GII in character. The GI is great for
average cruising but for (dutch average 4 a 5 SW) sportive sailing the GII
is flatter and better upwind.

Before I ordered I did some research and in Holland they are pretty well
known (the produce for Quantum, Elvstrom and UK sails to name a few. The
runner up of the IJspegelcup (biggest winter matches in Holland) had 3 year
old Leesails. When I spoke with him he told me this was the first time he
could use sails more than a season.

Without getting into a discussion about this company (I don't own them)
;-)). In files I put an article about Lee Sails.

And in Pictures you cen see us sailing with the new sails...



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Vertical Battens

Bob Fritz
 

My experience with verical battens in the Amel 54 mainsail does not mirror the negative comments. In over 10,000 miles of ocean sailing and winds of 0 to 60+ knots, I have had no trouble reefing the sail. I have never had to go head to wind to reef, and I have never had the battens jam in the mast. I found little difference between the SM with no battens and the 54 with vertical battens with respect to ease of mainsail handling.

Bob


Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104

Hajé Weisfelt
 

I'd like to have that copy...

Thx, Hajé


From: Dave Benjamin
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104





The sailmakers you mention have their sails built in China but they use
another loft, one that I am quite familiar with. In fact Nigel Calder
wrote an in depth article about the loft for a British periodical. I'd
be happy to send a copy to anyone interested. The article even names those sailmakers.

Teijin is not well regarded by most sailmakers. Lee Sails Northeast advertises on their website that they use Challenge and Bainbridge.It's a far cry from the higher end cloth from Dimension Polyant, Bainbridge, Challenge, and Contender. It is cheap though. I've used Teijin cloth on occasion for some small boat projects like a set of sails for a 13 foot daysailer that is used by children for daysailing on a lake. There are several lofts using Teijin produced cloth for small boat and Hobie Cat sails. It allows them to keep the costs way down. For instance there is a supplier here in the US that sells Laser sails for about $170 USD that uses Teijin. Another loft sells Hobie Cat sails starting as low as $400 or so. It is an appropriate cloth when cost is the primary consideration.

The amount you paid for your sails is less than the cost of cloth and shipping finished sails from Asia to Europe or North America. If Teijin put out a good quality cloth that was comparable with the manufacturers I mentioned, reptuable sailmakers would be using it in quantity.

Caution is in order for anyone ordering direct from Lee Sails in China. They require payment by wire transfer or bank check. You should never buy anything like a sail unless you can use a credit card as there is no recourse in the event of problems. You can contest a charge made with a credit card successfully. I had a dock neighbor who tried to save some money and ordered a sail from a loft quite some distance away. The sail was a disaster and when the sailmaker failed to address the issue he was able to contest the chrage and get his money refunded.

--- On Sun, 5/17/09, etske <amel.sharki.charmedii@gmail.com> wrote:

From: etske <amel.sharki.charmedii@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 1:57 PM

Dear Dave,

Your misinterpretating my words (maybe because of the quality of my english). I did not say the are flat without shape I said they are flat without loosing their shape.

But even when you misunderstood your comments are wrong.

First, the sails are made from 1st quality dracron It comes from Tejin wich is Du pont (the founder of dracron)(since they use 250000 sq metres per annum I don't think there's enough B quality ;-))

Second, I tried to explain that I found it very good they understood I wanted a different kind of sail GI GII in character. The GI is great for average cruising but for (dutch average 4 a 5 SW) sportive sailing the GII is flatter and better upwind.

Before I ordered I did some research and in Holland they are pretty well known (the produce for Quantum, Elvstrom and UK sails to name a few. The runner up of the IJspegelcup (biggest winter matches in Holland) had 3 year old Leesails. When I spoke with him he told me this was the first time he could use sails more than a season.

Without getting into a discussion about this company (I don't own them) ;-)). In files I put an article about Lee Sails.

And in Pictures you cen see us sailing with the new sails...











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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Hard dodger/soft top Mountings

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Hi fellow owners of SM boats.  During our recent Atlantic crossing we noticed a leak coming from the edge of the cockpit soft top mountings.  On inspection we found the aluminum track that the soft dodger mounts in had pulled away on both port and startboard sides.  On closer inspection we found that the aluminum crews had been eaten by the salt water.  To correct the problem we drill out the old screw holes and put 10/32 screws with nylock nuts and flat washers on both sides.  Yes, we did drill through the fiberglass hard dodger.  Given the loads on the soft dodger we feel that this is the best long term solution.  Oh, yes we did use the Boeing T spray to reduce the contact between the aluminum and SS screws.
Good luck with your dodger.
Richard and Joan on Challenge SM 209





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[Amel] Re: Verical Batons

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Everyone

I recently had the same problem with the Onan Genset. After much work including having the injectors serviced twice. The problem was a clogged mixing elbow. Thinking back on work I had done to the Volvo. I had to replace the mixing elbow as it was almost clogged with rust and carbon. This may be your problem.

I would like to hear more about your vertical batten mainsail. In fact I would like to hear peoples experience with them. I agree with you John about the ease of handling issue. Its just the main looks so bad when set. What are you up to now?

Vito Ciaravino
ASM # 283

LIving in Bay of Islands NZ (for now)

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

I had the Banks loft in Kemah, Tx build them.  Trent and Mark (last names escape me right now) were the ones I dealt with, good guys and did a great job.
 
Stuck in Charleston, SC waiting out this storm after 10 days in the Bahamas and won't have time to get her up to the Chesapeake before I have to go back to work, so having some time to work on a few things.  Still no solution to the engine RPM problem, but realized that there is a good bit of smoke after motoring across from Abaco in light winds right on the stern (still haven't got her rigged to use the downwind setup), the whole aft port topsides are soot stained.  Starting to think it's an air issue rather than a fuel issue.  Will follow up on all the great advice the group offered this week.  Anybody have a good experience with a diesel mechanic in Charleston?
 
Anybody have any advice on getting the hi pressure hoses on the watermaker to stay on?  Ray Eaton said he found one off while the boat was in Ft. Lauderdale and fixed it, but it blew off again as soon as I turned the watermaker on.  Couldn't get it to stay after several tries,  so had a compression fitting one made in Marsh Harbor.  That one stayed on but the next one down the line blew off at 50 psi.  Whazzup widat?
 
Met George at the Charleston City Marina on Indecent...my first encounter "out there" with another Amel.  Pretty cool.
 
Thanks for all the group's advice, don't know what I'd do without you.
Kent Robertson
Kristy SM 243


--- On Sun, 5/17/09, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...> wrote:


From: Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 2:00 PM








Which Banks Sails loft were you working with? I used to work for Banks Sails in Florida and hat a lot of fun there. I still have some good friends involved with Banks. There's a lot of talent in that group but of course I'd rather see people buy sails from us ;-)

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:44 PM

Banks Sails made my new main with vertical battens, and they really do seem to give the sail a better shape than other non-battened in mast furling sails. They easily roll into the mast as long as a little pressure is maintained on the outhaul while the sail is furled and unfurled.




























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Small cracks in helm spokes

briantrautman@ymail.com <briant@...>
 

Hello,

We recently observed two small cracks branching out from the base of one of the spokes of our helm wheel. The cracks are about 1.5 inches along the back of the hub that attaches to the steering mechanism (not the side with the signed Henri Amel plaque)

I haven't determined if these are cosmetic only or part of the load bearing structure of the helm. I was wondering if anyone had seen this on their SM, and if so what did you do to fix it?

Thank you!
Brian Trautman
Delos, SM 2000 #303
Seattle, WA


Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104

Dave_Benjamin
 

The sailmakers you mention have their sails built in China but they use
another loft, one that I am quite familiar with. In fact Nigel Calder
wrote an in depth article about the loft for a British periodical. I'd
be happy to send a copy to anyone interested. The article even names those sailmakers.

Teijin is not well regarded by most sailmakers. Lee Sails Northeast advertises on their website that they use Challenge and Bainbridge.It's a far cry from the higher end cloth from Dimension Polyant, Bainbridge, Challenge, and Contender. It is cheap though.  I've used Teijin cloth on occasion for some small boat projects like a set of sails for a 13 foot daysailer that is  used by children for daysailing on a lake. There are several lofts using Teijin produced cloth for small boat and Hobie Cat sails. It allows them to keep the costs way down. For instance there is a supplier here in the US that sells Laser sails for about $170 USD that uses Teijin. Another loft sells Hobie Cat sails starting as low as $400 or so. It is an appropriate cloth when cost is the primary consideration.

The amount you paid for your sails is less than the cost of cloth and shipping finished sails from Asia to Europe or North America. If Teijin put out a good quality cloth that was comparable with the manufacturers I mentioned, reptuable sailmakers would be using it in quantity.

Caution is in order for anyone ordering direct from Lee Sails in China. They require payment by wire transfer or bank check. You should never buy anything like a sail unless you can use a credit card as there is no recourse in the event of problems. You can contest a charge made with a credit card successfully. I had a dock neighbor who tried to save some money and ordered a sail from a loft quite some distance away. The sail was a disaster and when the sailmaker failed to address the issue he was able to contest the chrage and get his money refunded.

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From: etske <amel.sharki.charmedii@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 1:57 PM

















Dear Dave,



Your misinterpretating my words (maybe because of the quality of my english). I did not say the are flat without shape I said they are flat without loosing their shape.



But even when you misunderstood your comments are wrong.



First, the sails are made from 1st quality dracron It comes from Tejin wich is Du pont (the founder of dracron)(since they use 250000 sq metres per annum I don't think there's enough B quality ;-))



Second, I tried to explain that I found it very good they understood I wanted a different kind of sail GI GII in character. The GI is great for average cruising but for (dutch average 4 a 5 SW) sportive sailing the GII is flatter and better upwind.



Before I ordered I did some research and in Holland they are pretty well known (the produce for Quantum, Elvstrom and UK sails to name a few. The runner up of the IJspegelcup (biggest winter matches in Holland) had 3 year old Leesails. When I spoke with him he told me this was the first time he could use sails more than a season.

Without getting into a discussion about this company (I don't own them) ;-)). In files I put an article about Lee Sails.



And in Pictures you cen see us sailing with the new sails...




























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Re: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons

karkauai
 

I had the Banks loft in Kemah, Tx build them.  Trent and Mark (last names escape me right now) were the ones I dealt with, good guys and did a great job.
 
Stuck in Charleston, SC waiting out this storm after 10 days in the Bahamas and won't have time to get her up to the Chesapeake before I have to go back to work, so having some time to work on a few things.  Still no solution to the engine RPM problem, but realized that there is a good bit of smoke after motoring across from Abaco in light winds right on the stern (still haven't got her rigged to use the downwind setup), the whole aft port topsides are soot stained.  Starting to think it's an air issue rather than a fuel issue.  Will follow up on all the great advice the group offered this week.  Anybody have a good experience with a diesel mechanic in Charleston?
 
Anybody have any advice on getting the hi pressure hoses on the watermaker to stay on?  Ray Eaton said he found one off while the boat was in Ft. Lauderdale and fixed it, but it blew off again as soon as I turned the watermaker on.  Couldn't get it to stay after several tries,  so had a compression fitting one made in Marsh Harbor.  That one stayed on but the next one down the line blew off at 50 psi.  Whazzup widat?
 
Met George at the Charleston City Marina on Indecent...my first encounter "out there" with another Amel.  Pretty cool.
 
Thanks for all the group's advice, don't know what I'd do without you.
Kent Robertson
Kristy SM 243

--- On Sun, 5/17/09, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 2:00 PM








Which Banks Sails loft were you working with? I used to work for Banks Sails in Florida and hat a lot of fun there. I still have some good friends involved with Banks. There's a lot of talent in that group but of course I'd rather see people buy sails from us ;-)

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:44 PM

Banks Sails made my new main with vertical battens, and they really do seem to give the sail a better shape than other non-battened in mast furling sails. They easily roll into the mast as long as a little pressure is maintained on the outhaul while the sail is furled and unfurled.











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