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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

Craig Briggs
 

HI Mitchell - my pleasure; glad it helped.
Regarding the design, one of my pictures show the manufacturers label on the upper unit - it was CATEP France with a Model and serial number. A google search brings up CATEP International. and I'd guess they supplied the entire unit. Amel clearly changed the specification along the way, as some of us have Aluminum housing and others steel. By the way, are you fixing a particular issue just doing PM?  Regardless, if you get into a need for parts CATEP may be where to start.
Cheers,


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

Mitchell Petersen
 

Hi Craig,
I managed to get it all out and have cut back the GRP to access the bearings.

Of interest my lower unit is different from yours with 6 hex screws holding the thrust bearing housing.

Thanks again for getting back to me, I don't know if I could have done it without your previous posts and assistance.

Many thanks
Mitchell

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 3:11 PM Craig Briggs SN 68 Sangaris via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Mitchell,
Were you able to go through the pictures in the "C-Drive - Technical " photo album? You'll see my unit with the fairing material cut away. That exposes the cover plate on the front of the prop shaft and another pic shows it with its 4 machine screws. You have to cut the fairing back about 1 1/2 inches to totally expose the cover plate as it is about an inch thick. Again, see the pictures. (By the way, there are a couple of pictures the entire unit being lifted out that may be of interest.)

The cover plate carries the forward shaft bearing, so once it is off the prop shaft is totally free to be lifted out by hand. You can then lift out the aft bearings. Again there are pics of all that.

Cutting back the fairing material is a destructive process because it adheres to the metal housing. I had to guess about how big the plate was, so I just cut out small pieces until I figured it out. With the pictures to go by you'll have an easier time of it.  You will, of course, have to build up new material when you reassemble. I recall I used West System epoxy with a tough filler. Not rocket science, just messy, and you can then shape it back to the original size with a sander.

If you wish, send me your email address and I'll send more pictures that I didn't post here.  I'm at sangaris at aol dot com.

Craig


Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Duane Siegfri
 

Karen Smith,

Novamar...that's interesting.  We received a non-renewal letter from them three weeks ago.  It said the non-renewal was due to changes in their Underwriting.  Since we are headed back to the USA (from the Caribbean) the agent went back to them with a reduced cruising area (eastern seaboard and gulf coast) and they offered insurance.  The "home port" had to be FL, not GA.  He said they are spreading their risk by only accepting a limited number of policies in each state.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Headliner Amel 54

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi. A PO left a spray can of vinyl adhesive on board. Whetever the odd corner has drooped it has been very efective. A quick squirt on the offending portion. Slap it up and it stays put.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 February 2020 at 08:28 Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Me too. I had understood that the problem was only with older boats, but obviously not the case. The thought of removing and re-doing these is very off-putting given the toxicity of the material.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: 28 February 2020 12:41
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner Amel 54

 

Hi everyone;

 

Since we are on the subject of the headliner issues on the older Amels, I’d like to address some issues we are having on our A54, hoping for a good solution from someone who has tackled it.

 

On Kokomo, we have certain areas, mainly in the corners and inside the cabinets in the master, that the headliner sags or the corners are peeling off. We can get it to reattach by sliding our hand on it and pushing it back up, but this will repeat, within a day or two. The amount of area of sag is not significant and mainly out of sight, so it has not been a priority. However, we would like to address it, before it becomes worse.

 

Anyone else had this issue? All suggestions, would be appreciated.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

 



 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


 


Re: Headliner Amel 54

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Ah, ok, well that’s good t know, thanks.

 

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: 28 February 2020 19:04
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner Amel 54

 

Paul,

 

   Sorry to hear that you are having some vinyl adhesion problems on your 54.  As I understand things, the toxicity is an issue with the older polyurethane foams used in the vinyl headliners so should not apply to the 54.  

 

Best,

 

James

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

 

 

On Feb 28, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

 

Me too. I had understood that the problem was only with older boats, but obviously not the case. The thought of removing and re-doing these is very off-putting given the toxicity of the material.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: 28 February 2020 12:41
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner Amel 54

 

Hi everyone;

 

Since we are on the subject of the headliner issues on the older Amels, I’d like to address some issues we are having on our A54, hoping for a good solution from someone who has tackled it.

 

On Kokomo, we have certain areas, mainly in the corners and inside the cabinets in the master, that the headliner sags or the corners are peeling off. We can get it to reattach by sliding our hand on it and pushing it back up, but this will repeat, within a day or two. The amount of area of sag is not significant and mainly out of sight, so it has not been a priority. However, we would like to address it, before it becomes worse.

 

Anyone else had this issue? All suggestions, would be appreciated.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Try Anjo in Antigua if it’s only the Caribbean are you want.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 28 February 2020 23:01
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance for a USA boat

 

Hi Karen,  

  I too went with a Jackline policy. But good golly the premium is crazy.  I am relocating to St Thomas in the next month and will be spending some quality time looking for a better arrangment.    Regards

 

John Clark

SV Annie SM37

Brunswick GA 

 

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:04 PM martin haméline <marafiki37@...> wrote:

Eric

I just got insurance for my new Maramu from Leah.

Insurance@...
Very responsive

Marty
> On Feb 28, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Karen Smith via Groups.Io <karenharmonie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Hi Eric & Amelians,
>
> We are a US based boat, and got our cancellation notice from Pantaenius US also.  We went with Jackline, for the worldwide coverage. We also liked Novamar. We did a LOT of shopping and comparisons.
>
> We will likely do a blog post about it, once we get a chance. It was a big hassle!
>
> Karen Smith
> s/v Harmonie SM #160
>
>



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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Insurance for a USA boat

John Clark
 

Hi Karen,  
  I too went with a Jackline policy. But good golly the premium is crazy.  I am relocating to St Thomas in the next month and will be spending some quality time looking for a better arrangment.    Regards

John Clark
SV Annie SM37
Brunswick GA 

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:04 PM martin haméline <marafiki37@...> wrote:
Eric

I just got insurance for my new Maramu from Leah.

Insurance@...
Very responsive

Marty
> On Feb 28, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Karen Smith via Groups.Io <karenharmonie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Hi Eric & Amelians,
>
> We are a US based boat, and got our cancellation notice from Pantaenius US also.  We went with Jackline, for the worldwide coverage. We also liked Novamar. We did a LOT of shopping and comparisons.
>
> We will likely do a blog post about it, once we get a chance. It was a big hassle!
>
> Karen Smith
> s/v Harmonie SM #160
>
>




Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Aras
 

Yes same thing.  They wouldn't even consider underwriting.  They said they are not insuring boats in US
ARAS
SHARKI#163


Re: Maramu replacement autopilot drive motor

Jacob Champness
 

Thanks!  I think we’ll do the same.  


Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Michael & Robyn
 

Hi Eric,

we had the same issue and went to https://www.yyachtinsurance.com/ from the UK.
--
Michael & Robyn

SY RIPPLE SM2K # 417


Re: Headliner Amel 54

James Alton
 

Paul,

   Sorry to hear that you are having some vinyl adhesion problems on your 54.  As I understand things, the toxicity is an issue with the older polyurethane foams used in the vinyl headliners so should not apply to the 54.  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220


On Feb 28, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Me too. I had understood that the problem was only with older boats, but obviously not the case. The thought of removing and re-doing these is very off-putting given the toxicity of the material.
 
Cheers,
Paul
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: 28 February 2020 12:41
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner Amel 54
 
Hi everyone;
 
Since we are on the subject of the headliner issues on the older Amels, I’d like to address some issues we are having on our A54, hoping for a good solution from someone who has tackled it.
 
On Kokomo, we have certain areas, mainly in the corners and inside the cabinets in the master, that the headliner sags or the corners are peeling off. We can get it to reattach by sliding our hand on it and pushing it back up, but this will repeat, within a day or two. The amount of area of sag is not significant and mainly out of sight, so it has not been a priority. However, we would like to address it, before it becomes worse.
 
Anyone else had this issue? All suggestions, would be appreciated.
 
Happy Sailing;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
 


-- 
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Insurance for a USA boat

John Clanton <jclanton@...>
 

Eric,

 

I received my non-renewal letter from Pantaenius USA in November for a February renewal date.  It seems that Allianz, their major underwriter, decided to exit the US marine market.  Our new policy is with Yachtinsure UK, and while the premium is 20% higher, they were the cheapest of the bunch.  I am told that Pantaenius is seeking another underwriter, but it doesn’t sound like it will happen quickly.  While I didn’t have to make a claim, my other experiences with Pantaenius were all positive.

 

I hope you have success in finding a suitable solution.

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Antibes, France


Re: Insurance for a USA boat

martin haméline
 

Eric

I just got insurance for my new Maramu from Leah.

Insurance@...
Very responsive

Marty

On Feb 28, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Karen Smith via Groups.Io <karenharmonie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Eric & Amelians,

We are a US based boat, and got our cancellation notice from Pantaenius US also. We went with Jackline, for the worldwide coverage. We also liked Novamar. We did a LOT of shopping and comparisons.

We will likely do a blog post about it, once we get a chance. It was a big hassle!

Karen Smith
s/v Harmonie SM #160


Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Karen Smith
 

Hi Eric & Amelians,

We are a US based boat, and got our cancellation notice from Pantaenius US also. We went with Jackline, for the worldwide coverage. We also liked Novamar. We did a LOT of shopping and comparisons.

We will likely do a blog post about it, once we get a chance. It was a big hassle!

Karen Smith
s/v Harmonie SM #160


Re: Leaking water heater

ofer magen
 

Thanks Arno,

I will check it.

After the replacement of the water heaters, I will open the leaking one .

Regards,

Ofer Magen


Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Matt Salatino
 

Gary Golden
Manifest Marine
Out of Annapolis

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Feb 28, 2020, at 1:38 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I contacted Pantaenius about next year’s insurance. They said they lost their primary company and are cancelling all policies here.

They will be acting as brokers to try to find me insurance. Has anyone else run into this problem and have you found a suitable insurance company?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: Headliner Amel 54

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Me too. I had understood that the problem was only with older boats, but obviously not the case. The thought of removing and re-doing these is very off-putting given the toxicity of the material.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: 28 February 2020 12:41
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner Amel 54

 

Hi everyone;

 

Since we are on the subject of the headliner issues on the older Amels, I’d like to address some issues we are having on our A54, hoping for a good solution from someone who has tackled it.

 

On Kokomo, we have certain areas, mainly in the corners and inside the cabinets in the master, that the headliner sags or the corners are peeling off. We can get it to reattach by sliding our hand on it and pushing it back up, but this will repeat, within a day or two. The amount of area of sag is not significant and mainly out of sight, so it has not been a priority. However, we would like to address it, before it becomes worse.

 

Anyone else had this issue? All suggestions, would be appreciated.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Insurance for a USA boat

eric freedman
 

I contacted Pantaenius about next year’s insurance. They said they lost their primary company and are cancelling all policies here.

They will be acting as brokers to try to find me insurance. Has anyone else run into this problem and have you found a suitable insurance company?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: Bottom paint removal problem

Petaris
 

Hi Mark,

I wasn't aware of soda blasting so thanks for the new info!  The equipment looks fairly cheap as does the blasting soda.  Maybe you could just do it yourself if the yard allows it?  You would need a way to contain the dust and old bottom paint being blasted off but heavy plastic or cloth drop cloths should work for that.

Thank you,
Justin
Hopeful future SM/SM2k owner


On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 1:28 PM Mark Pitt <mark_pitt@...> wrote:
I have owned my Super Maramu since she was launched in 2003.  Amel applied a hard bottom paint before launch in 2003 but since then I have only used ablative paint.  The layer is now thick and a bit uneven.  Having carefully examined the words of caution on the Amel owners group, particularly those of Joel Potter, I have looked in vain for a soda blaster to remove all the old bottom paint. I just cannot find one in Rhode Island.  The contractor recommended by my Rhode Island marina uses glass and is apparently very experienced with blasting boat bottoms. 

Last week I contacted the large Hinckley repair yard in Portsmouth, RI and it turns out that they do not have access to soda blasting either and use the same glass blasting contractor used by the full service marina where Sabbatical III is stored.  Hinckley recommends the glass blasting followed by 5 coats of epoxy (the 5 coats is their rule for European boats).  My yard has suggested 3 coats of epoxy as a water barrier.
I had been hoping for soda blasting plus a single coat of epoxy as a primer, on the assumption that the barrier coat under the gel coat would remain intact.  I did not expect that it would not be possible to find a soda blasting contractor in Rhode Island (or nearby Massachusetts) who works on boat hulls.
 
Any suggestions for me?  I feel stuck and am inclined to use glass blasting following by 3 or more coats of epoxy as a barrier coat.
 
Mark Pitt
“Sabbatical III”, SM#419, Wickford, Rhode Island, USA
 



--
Justin Paulsen
IT Professional

"The world is open, are you?"


Re: Leaking water heater

Arno Luijten
 

Given the speed an frequency this is happening, you may want to check for galvanic corrosion. If the ground cable on your water-heater is somehow carrying a voltage potential this may cause accelerated corrosion of the tank, especially with the high temperatures inside the tank. 

My water heater lasted about 10 years before a leak developed between the tank and the engine-cooling-water circuit resulting in water being pushed into the cooling circuit. The tank itself still looked very good.

Also be aware sediment may accumulate inside the tank causing places where crevice corrosion can happing much faster.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121