Date   
Re: Insurance for a USA boat

John Clanton <jclanton@...>
 

Eric,

 

I received my non-renewal letter from Pantaenius USA in November for a February renewal date.  It seems that Allianz, their major underwriter, decided to exit the US marine market.  Our new policy is with Yachtinsure UK, and while the premium is 20% higher, they were the cheapest of the bunch.  I am told that Pantaenius is seeking another underwriter, but it doesn’t sound like it will happen quickly.  While I didn’t have to make a claim, my other experiences with Pantaenius were all positive.

 

I hope you have success in finding a suitable solution.

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Antibes, France

Re: Insurance for a USA boat

martin haméline
 

Eric

I just got insurance for my new Maramu from Leah.

Insurance@...
Very responsive

Marty

On Feb 28, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Karen Smith via Groups.Io <karenharmonie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Eric & Amelians,

We are a US based boat, and got our cancellation notice from Pantaenius US also. We went with Jackline, for the worldwide coverage. We also liked Novamar. We did a LOT of shopping and comparisons.

We will likely do a blog post about it, once we get a chance. It was a big hassle!

Karen Smith
s/v Harmonie SM #160

Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Karen Smith
 

Hi Eric & Amelians,

We are a US based boat, and got our cancellation notice from Pantaenius US also. We went with Jackline, for the worldwide coverage. We also liked Novamar. We did a LOT of shopping and comparisons.

We will likely do a blog post about it, once we get a chance. It was a big hassle!

Karen Smith
s/v Harmonie SM #160

Re: Leaking water heater

ofer magen
 

Thanks Arno,

I will check it.

After the replacement of the water heaters, I will open the leaking one .

Regards,

Ofer Magen

Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Matt Salatino
 

Gary Golden
Manifest Marine
Out of Annapolis

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Feb 28, 2020, at 1:38 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I contacted Pantaenius about next year’s insurance. They said they lost their primary company and are cancelling all policies here.

They will be acting as brokers to try to find me insurance. Has anyone else run into this problem and have you found a suitable insurance company?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Re: Headliner Amel 54

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Me too. I had understood that the problem was only with older boats, but obviously not the case. The thought of removing and re-doing these is very off-putting given the toxicity of the material.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: 28 February 2020 12:41
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner Amel 54

 

Hi everyone;

 

Since we are on the subject of the headliner issues on the older Amels, I’d like to address some issues we are having on our A54, hoping for a good solution from someone who has tackled it.

 

On Kokomo, we have certain areas, mainly in the corners and inside the cabinets in the master, that the headliner sags or the corners are peeling off. We can get it to reattach by sliding our hand on it and pushing it back up, but this will repeat, within a day or two. The amount of area of sag is not significant and mainly out of sight, so it has not been a priority. However, we would like to address it, before it becomes worse.

 

Anyone else had this issue? All suggestions, would be appreciated.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Insurance for a USA boat

eric freedman
 

I contacted Pantaenius about next year’s insurance. They said they lost their primary company and are cancelling all policies here.

They will be acting as brokers to try to find me insurance. Has anyone else run into this problem and have you found a suitable insurance company?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Re: Bottom paint removal problem

Petaris
 

Hi Mark,

I wasn't aware of soda blasting so thanks for the new info!  The equipment looks fairly cheap as does the blasting soda.  Maybe you could just do it yourself if the yard allows it?  You would need a way to contain the dust and old bottom paint being blasted off but heavy plastic or cloth drop cloths should work for that.

Thank you,
Justin
Hopeful future SM/SM2k owner


On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 1:28 PM Mark Pitt <mark_pitt@...> wrote:
I have owned my Super Maramu since she was launched in 2003.  Amel applied a hard bottom paint before launch in 2003 but since then I have only used ablative paint.  The layer is now thick and a bit uneven.  Having carefully examined the words of caution on the Amel owners group, particularly those of Joel Potter, I have looked in vain for a soda blaster to remove all the old bottom paint. I just cannot find one in Rhode Island.  The contractor recommended by my Rhode Island marina uses glass and is apparently very experienced with blasting boat bottoms. 

Last week I contacted the large Hinckley repair yard in Portsmouth, RI and it turns out that they do not have access to soda blasting either and use the same glass blasting contractor used by the full service marina where Sabbatical III is stored.  Hinckley recommends the glass blasting followed by 5 coats of epoxy (the 5 coats is their rule for European boats).  My yard has suggested 3 coats of epoxy as a water barrier.
I had been hoping for soda blasting plus a single coat of epoxy as a primer, on the assumption that the barrier coat under the gel coat would remain intact.  I did not expect that it would not be possible to find a soda blasting contractor in Rhode Island (or nearby Massachusetts) who works on boat hulls.
 
Any suggestions for me?  I feel stuck and am inclined to use glass blasting following by 3 or more coats of epoxy as a barrier coat.
 
Mark Pitt
“Sabbatical III”, SM#419, Wickford, Rhode Island, USA
 



--
Justin Paulsen
IT Professional

"The world is open, are you?"

Re: Leaking water heater

Arno Luijten
 

Given the speed an frequency this is happening, you may want to check for galvanic corrosion. If the ground cable on your water-heater is somehow carrying a voltage potential this may cause accelerated corrosion of the tank, especially with the high temperatures inside the tank. 

My water heater lasted about 10 years before a leak developed between the tank and the engine-cooling-water circuit resulting in water being pushed into the cooling circuit. The tank itself still looked very good.

Also be aware sediment may accumulate inside the tank causing places where crevice corrosion can happing much faster.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121

Re: A55: fresh water pump system : Beam IV

Stuart Hemingway
 

Thank you Michael,

That should be the next procedure to investigate . 

Confusingly the deck hose and the transum shower have good pressure.

  

Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


 Grove Park Studios,

188-192 Sutton court Road,

Chiswick,

London,

W4 3HR

 

Telephone

From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

From the US  :    561 371 2321


E . Studio@...

W. www.groveparkstudios.co.uk.


On 27 Feb 2020, at 17:45, michael winand via Groups.Io <mfw642000@...> wrote:

Just a thought. 
If you have a leak on the suction side it will allow air to enter the water pipes and this won't compress enough to reach the shut off pressure. 
Michael. Nebo sm251


On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 10:39 pm, CW Bill Rouse
<brouse@...> wrote:
Stuart,

I gave you all of my ideas. Like I said before I don't think the accumulator tank pressure has anything to do with a continuous running pump. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:08 PM Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...> wrote:
Hello Joerg & Bill,

Who ever thought you’d need a bicycle pump on a boat , but you do!

We bought this fancy cycle pump in Bonaire ( the old fashion type would be better ) pumped up the accumulator and we have water!!

THANK YOU 

The pump is still running continuously though any ideas on that one?

Very best regards & thanks ..

Stuart

Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


 Grove Park Studios,

188-192 Sutton court Road,

Chiswick,

London,

W4 3HR

 

Telephone

From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

From the US  :    561 371 2321


E . Studio@...

W. www.groveparkstudios.co.uk.


On 25 Feb 2020, at 01:53, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

In my experience, there has to be nothing wrong to create this condition.   I’ve had this happen on my boat when I get back after many months away.  Or if the tank was run very low.   Pump up the tank and see whether it works.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain

Re: Leaking water heater

ofer magen
 

Hi Craige,

Thanks for your advice.

Till now the people from the factory took the old boilers with them,and i couldn't check where in the tank  the leak was.

A new water heater was delivered, so this time I will check it.

Regards,

Ofer Magen

Refrigerator install in dishwasher using original dishwasher shell

eric freedman
 

Hi,

Here are some photos of my conversion. For some reason I can’t find a photo of the reefer complete. I installed a welded stainless steel tub inside the refrigerator.

I will try to remember to take photos with the tub installed. The  reefer keeps drinks incredibly cold and holds about 8- 6 packs of beverages, The photo of the thin circuit breaker mounted on an aluminum strip is for the reefer. I used the wires running from the AC panel to the dishwasher and this was a great spot to mount the breaker as it is so close to the AC panel.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Re: FW: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner fix

Herbert Lackner
 

KALI MERA is from 1995 and still has the original headliner, no signs of getting loose. Does the new material look different? Can anyone post a picture from the old / new material?

fair winds,  herbert
SN120, KALI MERA, Mazatlan - Nautica Costa Bonita

Re: Bottom paint removal problem

eric freedman
 

Hi,

I had my bottom chemically stripped,

4 coats of Interprotect and 3 coats of bottom paint here in Huntington NY for 5,000 + materials.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 5:55 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal problem

 

Mark, I have many dry layers of paint and have wanted to get down to a clean hull. Do you remember what it cost. I got a quote of $6,000. for sand blasting in Rock Hall ,Md.

Thanks,

Pat

SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 5:17 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal problem

As Doug said, it's not close to your desired location but there is a good company that does hull soda-blasting located at our marina Herrington Harbor North located in Deale, MD (~20 miles south of Annapolis) that has over 25 years experience soda blasting hulls and even some experience with Amels.  I had them take our hull down to the gelcoat last winter.  They did a very thorough yet careful job removing most of the remnants of ~15 years of various bottom paints.  Just be sure to "remind" them that you have a cast iron keel.  

Here is their contact information:

OSPREY MARINE COMPOSITES

301-261-9201 • 410-867-3022 • FX 301-261-5370

www.ospreycomposites.com • jj@...

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Headliner Amel 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi everyone;

 

Since we are on the subject of the headliner issues on the older Amels, I’d like to address some issues we are having on our A54, hoping for a good solution from someone who has tackled it.

 

On Kokomo, we have certain areas, mainly in the corners and inside the cabinets in the master, that the headliner sags or the corners are peeling off. We can get it to reattach by sliding our hand on it and pushing it back up, but this will repeat, within a day or two. The amount of area of sag is not significant and mainly out of sight, so it has not been a priority. However, we would like to address it, before it becomes worse.

 

Anyone else had this issue? All suggestions, would be appreciated.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

Re: Headliner fix

James Alton
 

Joel,

   Thanks for checking your notes to see what you could find.  As I have time,  I will do some digging and if I can find out what Amel is now using that works.    While the loose liner is a bit of an eyesore, at least this is not a problem that keeps me from sailing my boat,  Amel seemed to do a good job on the things that matter the most.

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Feb 28, 2020, at 8:12 AM, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Hello James. I did some digging around in old notes regarding Amel production during that time. The previous vinyl with the polyurethane foam was trade named Skai and still has a presence in the marine market according to a quick internet search. Perhaps they now make a marine vinyl with felt/cotton backing as the safety rules governing using polyurethane have changed over the years. If they have a suitable material, I’m sure the distributor could recommend an adhesive.
 
Sorry to say I could find no mention of the replacement material. I seem to recall someone at the shipyard in La Rochelle mentioning that it was Naugahyde, but that term gets used a lot generically and not always describing the exact brand of Naugahyde. I have used Naugahyde for other projects and it could be a good replacement if you can find a color-texture match. They were pretty strict when it comes to what adhesives to use and they only recommend their own branded adhesives.
 
During my digging, I found that quite possibly some boats from the 1995 production year may have used the new overhead as the exact break was loosely described as around 1996 production which means September 1995 forward. They still had some of the old headliner when the new arrived so….
 
Perhaps Olivier might know but beyond that, I’m out of luck.
 
Sorry not to be more helpful. Joel
       
       JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.
                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE 
                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485
 
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:00 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner fix
 
Joel,
 
   Would you by chance know of a source for the exact headliner material and adhesive that Amel has been using since 1996?  Thanks for the background on this issue.
 
James 
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Feb 27, 2020, at 11:21 AM, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:
 

It has come to my attention that I made a mistake when I represented that all the Amel  boats built after 2006 have the desired spun cotton/felt backing on the vinyl overhead instead of the polyurethane foam . Actually it is from model year 1996 forward. I regret the error and thank Duane and Peg on Wanderer for the heads up.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 


On Feb 23, 2020, at 5:40 AM, Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:

Our 1993 Super Maramu has the same fix except that the battens are white. It looks like it was tedious process to fit but the result is perfectly acceptable. I am not near the boat at the moment so I can't post a photo.
-- 
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky 
SM 110 
 


Re: Leaking water heater

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hi Ofer,

Do you know where the leakage was from, other than "the inside part of the water heater"?  Having had 5 tanks fail in the 5 years since you got the boat is pretty amazing. Have you asked the factory or your mechanic what the problem has been?  Was it the same for all 5 heaters?

If you have an interest in chasing this down yourself you can take off the decorative SS jacket of a failed unit, then remove the insulation jacket, fill the tank and turn it on and perhaps see exactly where the "inside part" is leaking. You'll want it to get hot since it may only leak when it's hot.  As Yogi Berra said, "You can observe a lot by looking around".

I did see a post on another db that Isotemp had to redesign the thermostat circuitry of the Basic model because the heating coil wasn't being shut off and that caused overheating that distorted the tank, but that doesn't sound like your issue.

Years ago I had leakage from the bottom of my tank from pin holes of corrosion from particles of heating elements that had broken off when I replaced them. I cleaned them out and patched with JB Weld years ago. Certainly not your problem with brand new units repeatedly failing (mine is now 15 years old).

Good luck with it,
Craig
Craig

Re: Headliner fix

Courtney Gorman
 

Just an FYI I have a 2008 54 and there is some saging in the headliner.  the back is still sticky so with my hand it is easy to push back up but this needs doing about every month.  
Courtney
trippin
54 #101


-----Original Message-----
From: James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2020 7:40 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner fix

Miles and All,

My primary concern with the headliner project is to be sure to use a material that does not break down and an adhesive that does not let go over time.  It seems that Amel has things figured out with the 1996 and later boats so why experiment going forward?  It’s going to be a huge project to do it right so I really only want to do it once.  

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Feb 28, 2020, at 4:33 AM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

I'm also really interested to find a headliner match - if anyone knows a close one
thinking of doing my aft cabin roof at some point soon
All the best
Miles
Maramu #162

Re: Windvane advise

martin haméline
 

Miles 
I’m going to pursue the hydrovane and appreciate the setup photos. 
Many thanks 

Martin


On Feb 28, 2020, at 1:31 AM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:


Hydrovane works excellently for us on SeaLove
I think the bigger of the WindPilot range  (the pacific 2?) also works on the same principles - ie you lock your rudder and the vane takes over 
probably excellent also 
If you decide to exchange for a hydrovane i'd happily send some photos of our install
Libertad of this forum was kind enough to share his similar instal photos - infact i think they are still on the hydrovane website - search maramu

All the best
Miles

FW: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner fix

amelforme
 

Hello James. I did some digging around in old notes regarding Amel production during that time. The previous vinyl with the polyurethane foam was trade named Skai and still has a presence in the marine market according to a quick internet search. Perhaps they now make a marine vinyl with felt/cotton backing as the safety rules governing using polyurethane have changed over the years. If they have a suitable material, I’m sure the distributor could recommend an adhesive.

 

Sorry to say I could find no mention of the replacement material. I seem to recall someone at the shipyard in La Rochelle mentioning that it was Naugahyde, but that term gets used a lot generically and not always describing the exact brand of Naugahyde. I have used Naugahyde for other projects and it could be a good replacement if you can find a color-texture match. They were pretty strict when it comes to what adhesives to use and they only recommend their own branded adhesives.

 

During my digging, I found that quite possibly some boats from the 1995 production year may have used the new overhead as the exact break was loosely described as around 1996 production which means September 1995 forward. They still had some of the old headliner when the new arrived so….

 

Perhaps Olivier might know but beyond that, I’m out of luck.

 

Sorry not to be more helpful. Joel

      

       JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:00 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner fix

 

Joel,

 

   Would you by chance know of a source for the exact headliner material and adhesive that Amel has been using since 1996?  Thanks for the background on this issue.

 

James 

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

 

On Feb 27, 2020, at 11:21 AM, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

 

It has come to my attention that I made a mistake when I represented that all the Amel  boats built after 2006 have the desired spun cotton/felt backing on the vinyl overhead instead of the polyurethane foam . Actually it is from model year 1996 forward. I regret the error and thank Duane and Peg on Wanderer for the heads up.

JOEL F. POTTER

CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

Office 954-462-5869 



On Feb 23, 2020, at 5:40 AM, Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:

Our 1993 Super Maramu has the same fix except that the battens are white. It looks like it was tedious process to fit but the result is perfectly acceptable. I am not near the boat at the moment so I can't post a photo.
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110