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Re: [Amel] lightning protection

amelforme
 

Regarding lightning protection on Amel boats. There isn't any . Not on any
boat ever built by Amel. There are several very good and well considered
reasons for this so change it at your own peril. Be very careful about
modifying any of the grounding systems or the stray current/sacrificial
connection to the zincs. Over the years I have had many, many discussions
with Jacques Carteau as he educated me as to why Amel does several of the
things that at first blush seem not to be correct. His logic is generally
correct and it is usually best to leave things as God, Captain Amel, and
Jacques Carteau intended...
Even though the Captain is gone and Mr. Carteau is retired, most of the
things they conceived are still carried over in the Amel 54 and in the
projects being considered for the future.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: (954) 462-5869 Fax: (954) 462-3923
Email: jfpottercys@att.net


Re: [Amel] lightning protection

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

I believe the lighting leads are located on the copper bilge strap. Previous emails have indicated that this strap rots away over time and has to be replaced. We just did it with the info posted on this sight previousley with the larger diameter strap.

Paul LaFrance
S/V Nomad SM 362




To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: jlmertz@free.fr
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:47:30 +0200
Subject: Re: [Amel] lightning protection







Good question !!
but difficult O:-) (very)

Be carful, I have read much stupidities in French nautical revues

JLM
SM316
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Halidun Karagoz a ťcrit :


hello all,
i would like to know if anyone had experienced a lightning strike on
an amel boat, and any sound strategies used against a lightning strike
other than throwing a chain to the sea connected to the mast or shrouds?
any input will be greatly appreciated.
fair winds
haldun karagoz

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Re: Verical Batons

minaxi53 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Vito
Long time no chat.

One of the many upgrades I did to "Minaxi" your old boat was a new vertical batten mainsail. My opinion is that it is well worth doing. Much better sail shape, not really a positive shape but much better than the regular negative cut sail. Just returned from the Caribbean and managed several 200 mile days, I would say the sail helped. No trouble reefing at all, just keep a little pressure on the outhaul.
Done many upgrades since you handed SM6 to us. One day I will get around to placing some photo's on the site.

Hope you and family are well and enjoying the bottom end of the World.

Best Regards

Bob
SM6 Minaxi

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, asm283 <no_reply@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone

I recently had the same problem with the Onan Genset. After much work including having the injectors serviced twice. The problem was a clogged mixing elbow. Thinking back on work I had done to the Volvo. I had to replace the mixing elbow as it was almost clogged with rust and carbon. This may be your problem.

I would like to hear more about your vertical batten mainsail. In fact I would like to hear peoples experience with them. I agree with you John about the ease of handling issue. Its just the main looks so bad when set. What are you up to now?

Vito Ciaravino
ASM # 283

LIving in Bay of Islands NZ (for now)

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Kent Robertson <karkauai@> wrote:

I had the Banks loft in Kemah, Tx build them.  Trent and Mark (last names escape me right now) were the ones I dealt with, good guys and did a great job.
 
Stuck in Charleston, SC waiting out this storm after 10 days in the Bahamas and won't have time to get her up to the Chesapeake before I have to go back to work, so having some time to work on a few things.  Still no solution to the engine RPM problem, but realized that there is a good bit of smoke after motoring across from Abaco in light winds right on the stern (still haven't got her rigged to use the downwind setup), the whole aft port topsides are soot stained.  Starting to think it's an air issue rather than a fuel issue.  Will follow up on all the great advice the group offered this week.  Anybody have a good experience with a diesel mechanic in Charleston?
 
Anybody have any advice on getting the hi pressure hoses on the watermaker to stay on?  Ray Eaton said he found one off while the boat was in Ft. Lauderdale and fixed it, but it blew off again as soon as I turned the watermaker on.  Couldn't get it to stay after several tries,  so had a compression fitting one made in Marsh Harbor.  That one stayed on but the next one down the line blew off at 50 psi.  Whazzup widat?
 
Met George at the Charleston City Marina on Indecent...my first encounter "out there" with another Amel.  Pretty cool.
 
Thanks for all the group's advice, don't know what I'd do without you.
Kent Robertson
Kristy SM 243


--- On Sun, 5/17/09, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@> wrote:


From: Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 2:00 PM








Which Banks Sails loft were you working with? I used to work for Banks Sails in Florida and hat a lot of fun there. I still have some good friends involved with Banks. There's a lot of talent in that group but of course I'd rather see people buy sails from us ;-)

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:44 PM

Banks Sails made my new main with vertical battens, and they really do seem to give the sail a better shape than other non-battened in mast furling sails. They easily roll into the mast as long as a little pressure is maintained on the outhaul while the sail is furled and unfurled.











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Re: [Amel] davits for santorin

Ric <ric@...>
 

Bali hai sm 24 have simpson lawrence base must be custom modifide Must
heavily beef up stern to hold weight. Have electric, but always a
headacke

On May 27, 2009, at 3:06 PM, "attilio.siviero" <attilio.siviero@yahoo.com
> wrote:



Hi there everybody!
can anyone give me an information about davits to be put on a
Santorin?
I thought that the standard davits of SM ca be mounted on a
Santorin, since they are 2 separate elemnents hinged on the stern,
so they can be mounted on the stern of a Santorin, only a matter to
mount them with a smaller distance in between.
The guys of Amel, on the opposite, say that davits for Santorin
simply does not exist as standard, I have to provide an arch
specially designed and made.
Any help?
Thanks
Maria & Attilio Santorin #84


Re: [Amel] davits for santorin

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi from Danny SM 299. We had a set of hinged davits made to a pattern used on SM Wanderer. If you are ever in NZ I recommend Taipa welding services, 763 Oruru Road, RD 2 Kaitaia. This is in the Far North of NZ, about an hour by road North of Opua.They built my davits very well for under NZ$ 2000.

----- Original Message -----
From: attilio.siviero
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:06 AM
Subject: [Amel] davits for santorin





Hi there everybody!
can anyone give me an information about davits to be put on a Santorin?
I thought that the standard davits of SM ca be mounted on a Santorin, since they are 2 separate elemnents hinged on the stern, so they can be mounted on the stern of a Santorin, only a matter to mount them with a smaller distance in between.
The guys of Amel, on the opposite, say that davits for Santorin simply does not exist as standard, I have to provide an arch specially designed and made.
Any help?
Thanks
Maria & Attilio Santorin #84


davits for santorin

attilio.siviero <attilio.siviero@...>
 

Hi there everybody!
can anyone give me an information about davits to be put on a Santorin?
I thought that the standard davits of SM ca be mounted on a Santorin, since they are 2 separate elemnents hinged on the stern, so they can be mounted on the stern of a Santorin, only a matter to mount them with a smaller distance in between.
The guys of Amel, on the opposite, say that davits for Santorin simply does not exist as standard, I have to provide an arch specially designed and made.
Any help?
Thanks
Maria & Attilio Santorin #84


Re: [Amel] lightning protection

jlmertz@free.fr <jlmertz@...>
 

Good question !!
but difficult O:-) (very)

Be carful, I have read much stupidities in French nautical revues

JLM
SM316
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Halidun Karagoz a écrit :


hello all,
i would like to know if anyone had experienced a lightning strike on
an amel boat, and any sound strategies used against a lightning strike
other than throwing a chain to the sea connected to the mast or shrouds?
any input will be greatly appreciated.
fair winds
haldun karagoz





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lightning protection

Halidun Karagoz
 

hello all,
i would like to know if anyone had experienced a lightning strike on an amel boat, and any sound strategies used against a lightning strike other than throwing a chain to the sea connected to the mast or shrouds?
any input will be greatly appreciated.
fair winds
haldun karagoz


Re: [Amel] Verical Batons

Dave_Benjamin
 

Wow! Sounds like my company needs to export more sails to Europe! At those prices I could almost afford to sail across the Atlantic and deliver them ;-)

--- On Sun, 5/24/09, Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 1:56 AM

















Paul,

Last year,we got a new set of sails from Gateff,genoa, staysail, main,mizan treradial cut hydranet without batens for a price of abb 24000 euro.The price you paid 5600us is a big diference!! Also for spryhood they charge me abb 2000 euro!! incredible!!

Iv Pepe SM 223

 

--- El sáb, 23/5/09, Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@hotmail. com> escribió:



De: Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@hotmail. com>

Asunto: RE: [Amel] Verical Batons

Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Fecha: s√°bado, 23 mayo, 2009 6:13



Jim

We had new sails made by Omar Sails in Beaufort North Carolina. They are HydraNet radial , main with battens, Amel Logo, SM362 in Blue,

Mizzen has 4 battens ,Amel Logo and the Name "Nomad" in Blue,

both sails have leech and foot lines, UV cover at clew, bag with boat

name, and telltales.

Price is $5600

The vertical battens maintain the shape of the sails. The material is stronger than Dacron and more UV resistant. We received the sails in Oct 2008 and sailed  from RI to the Caribbean for the winter and are now on our way back to RI. During this time the sails have worked flawlessly. They furl with no problem. We have been in a gale with 67 knot winds on the way south and encountered no problems.

Paul at Omar has all the measurements from Amel for the SM as Henry Amel supplied them to him. Their work ios first rate along with their service as to time commitments and delivery.

He has made sails for a number of other Amel owners.



Paul LaFrance

SV Nomad #362



To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
From: symoondog@hotmail. com
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 19:19:24 +0000
Subject: RE: [Amel] Verical Batons
Jim, another thought, the in mast batten free sail is a proven passage maker. Battens in the main with some roach in it will improve your windward performance I will agree to that. Just remember when you have to reef the main you'll have to go head to wind. When you get hit by heavy air you release the jib and main sheets. you then must get in all the jib to put the boat head to wind. The boom will be flailing out on your beam and will be head to wind but your bow isn't. If its blowing 45 knots the bow won't come to windward unless you sheet it back in, but you have a full main and you'l be trying to sheet it in while standing the boat on its beam ends. You will end up starting the motor to drive the boat up so you can get the boom lined up with the slot in the main, if there's any main left by now it just might work. This scenario is so easy with Amels way, we just ease the main out hawl and roll up some sail and never change course regardless of wind
speed or direction. If I had a reverse gear in my electric jib sheet winch, I'd never leave the helmsmen seat to do anything. What part of this do you not like? If you insist on this go a little faster ideal,make sure you don't go to the Med and get hit by one of their Mistrals, or the Atlantic and get caught in a white squall or where I just came from, 50 degree south and get blindsided by a 55 kt. williwaw blasting down a mountain.

           John   "Moon Dog" SM 248
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
From: dave_benjamin@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:21:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [Amel] Verical Batons
Jim,
As a sailmaker I am not enthused with vertical battens although there are some  vocal proponents. There are issues with vertical battens getting stuck and causing problems. On a cruising boat you really don't want that risk.
Has your sailmaker built sails for a SM before? I saw one SM where a sailmaker made the sail a bit too long on the luff and built patches that were bulky. The sail required several modifications to fit properly.
 
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From: linda.desalvo <linda.desalvo@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 4:32 PM
Hello All
We are in the process of ordering a new mainsail for our Super Maramu #207 and would like any feedback that we could get in reference to vertical batons. Are they something that would enhance the sail. Does anyone out there have a mainsail with vertical baton and what kind of performance does this type of sail give? Could they get stuck in the roller furling? Any advise or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Jim DeSalvo
SV Liebling
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Re: [Amel] Verical Batons

Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@...>
 

Paul,
Last year,we got a new set of sails from Gateff,genoa,staysail,main,mizan treradial cut hydranet without batens for a price of abb 24000 euro.The price you paid 5600us is a big diference!! Also for spryhood they charge me abb 2000 euro!! incredible!!
Iv Pepe SM 223
 
--- El sáb, 23/5/09, Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@hotmail.com> escribió:


De: Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@hotmail.com>
Asunto: RE: [Amel] Verical Batons
Para: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: s√°bado, 23 mayo, 2009 6:13









Jim
We had new sails made by Omar Sails in Beaufort North Carolina. They are HydraNet radial , main with battens, Amel Logo, SM362 in Blue,
Mizzen has 4 battens ,Amel Logo and the Name "Nomad" in Blue,
both sails have leech and foot lines, UV cover at clew, bag with boat
name, and telltales.
Price is $5600
The vertical battens maintain the shape of the sails. The material is stronger than Dacron and more UV resistant. We received the sails in Oct 2008 and sailed  from RI to the Caribbean for the winter and are now on our way back to RI. During this time the sails have worked flawlessly. They furl with no problem. We have been in a gale with 67 knot winds on the way south and encountered no problems.
Paul at Omar has all the measurements from Amel for the SM as Henry Amel supplied them to him. Their work ios first rate along with their service as to time commitments and delivery.
He has made sails for a number of other Amel owners.

Paul LaFrance
SV Nomad #362


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: symoondog@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 19:19:24 +0000
Subject: RE: [Amel] Verical Batons


Jim, another thought, the in mast batten free sail is a proven passage maker. Battens in the main with some roach in it will improve your windward performance I will agree to that. Just remember when you have to reef the main you'll have to go head to wind. When you get hit by heavy air you release the jib and main sheets. you then must get in all the jib to put the boat head to wind. The boom will be flailing out on your beam and will be head to wind but your bow isn't. If its blowing 45 knots the bow won't come to windward unless you sheet it back in, but you have a full main and you'l be trying to sheet it in while standing the boat on its beam ends. You will end up starting the motor to drive the boat up so you can get the boom lined up with the slot in the main, if there's any main left by now it just might work. This scenario is so easy with Amels way, we just ease the main out hawl and roll up some sail and never change course regardless of wind
speed or direction. If I had a reverse gear in my electric jib sheet winch, I'd never leave the helmsmen seat to do anything. What part of this do you not like? If you insist on this go a little faster ideal,make sure you don't go to the Med and get hit by one of their Mistrals, or the Atlantic and get caught in a white squall or where I just came from, 50 degree south and get blindsided by a 55 kt. williwaw blasting down a mountain.
           John   "Moon Dog" SM 248


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: dave_benjamin@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:21:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [Amel] Verical Batons







Jim,

As a sailmaker I am not enthused with vertical battens although there are some  vocal proponents. There are issues with vertical battens getting stuck and causing problems. On a cruising boat you really don't want that risk.

Has your sailmaker built sails for a SM before? I saw one SM where a sailmaker made the sail a bit too long on the luff and built patches that were bulky. The sail required several modifications to fit properly.

 

--- On Tue, 5/12/09, linda.desalvo <linda.desalvo@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: linda.desalvo <linda.desalvo@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 4:32 PM

Hello All

We are in the process of ordering a new mainsail for our Super Maramu #207 and would like any feedback that we could get in reference to vertical batons. Are they something that would enhance the sail. Does anyone out there have a mainsail with vertical baton and what kind of performance does this type of sail give? Could they get stuck in the roller furling? Any advise or comments would be greatly appreciated.

Jim DeSalvo

SV Liebling











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Re: [Amel] Verical Batons

Dave_Benjamin
 

Paul,

HydraNet is a good choice. The price you paid is quite reasonable as well. HydraNet is offered in both radial cloth and crosscut cloth. On the smaller Amels, like the Maramu's and Sharki's I would give some consideration to the crosscut, especially if the owner is looking to stretch his or her dollars. Even on a SM the crosscut HydraNet would work and be a far better choice than Dacron. It's only a 35 metre sail if I'm not mistaken.

Recently I met an Amel owner who had difficulties getting his brand new mizzen to properly furl. In this case the sail was built a bit long on the luff and it was hanging up where the extrusion narrows. The way the corner patches were constructed also contributed to the issue. Since he was no longer in the same area as the sailmaker he purchased the sail from the sailmaker he bought it from made arrangements for a nearby loft to make the needed modifications.

--- On Sat, 5/23/09, Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 3:13 AM








Jim
We had new sails made by Omar Sails in Beaufort North Carolina. They are HydraNet radial , main with battens, Amel Logo, SM362 in Blue,
Mizzen has 4 battens ,Amel Logo and the Name "Nomad" in Blue,
both sails have leech and foot lines, UV cover at clew, bag with boat
name, and telltales.
Price is $5600
The vertical battens maintain the shape of the sails. The material is stronger than Dacron and more UV resistant. We received the sails in Oct 2008 and sailed  from RI to the Caribbean for the winter and are now on our way back to RI. During this time the sails have worked flawlessly. They furl with no problem. We have been in a gale with 67 knot winds on the way south and encountered no problems.
Paul at Omar has all the measurements from Amel for the SM as Henry Amel supplied them to him. Their work ios first rate along with their service as to time commitments and delivery.
He has made sails for a number of other Amel owners.

Paul LaFrance
SV Nomad #362


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: symoondog@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 19:19:24 +0000
Subject: RE: [Amel] Verical Batons


Jim, another thought, the in mast batten free sail is a proven passage maker. Battens in the main with some roach in it will improve your windward performance I will agree to that. Just remember when you have to reef the main you'll have to go head to wind. When you get hit by heavy air you release the jib and main sheets. you then must get in all the jib to put the boat head to wind. The boom will be flailing out on your beam and will be head to wind but your bow isn't. If its blowing 45 knots the bow won't come to windward unless you sheet it back in, but you have a full main and you'l be trying to sheet it in while standing the boat on its beam ends. You will end up starting the motor to drive the boat up so you can get the boom lined up with the slot in the main, if there's any main left by now it just might work. This scenario is so easy with Amels way, we just ease the main out hawl and roll up some sail and never change course regardless of wind
speed or direction. If I had a reverse gear in my electric jib sheet winch, I'd never leave the helmsmen seat to do anything. What part of this do you not like? If you insist on this go a little faster ideal,make sure you don't go to the Med and get hit by one of their Mistrals, or the Atlantic and get caught in a white squall or where I just came from, 50 degree south and get blindsided by a 55 kt. williwaw blasting down a mountain.
           John   "Moon Dog" SM 248


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: dave_benjamin@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:21:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [Amel] Verical Batons







Jim,

As a sailmaker I am not enthused with vertical battens although there are some  vocal proponents. There are issues with vertical battens getting stuck and causing problems. On a cruising boat you really don't want that risk.

Has your sailmaker built sails for a SM before? I saw one SM where a sailmaker made the sail a bit too long on the luff and built patches that were bulky. The sail required several modifications to fit properly.

 

--- On Tue, 5/12/09, linda.desalvo <linda.desalvo@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: linda.desalvo <linda.desalvo@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 4:32 PM

Hello All

We are in the process of ordering a new mainsail for our Super Maramu #207 and would like any feedback that we could get in reference to vertical batons. Are they something that would enhance the sail. Does anyone out there have a mainsail with vertical baton and what kind of performance does this type of sail give? Could they get stuck in the roller furling? Any advise or comments would be greatly appreciated.

Jim DeSalvo

SV Liebling











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Re: [Amel] Verical Batons

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Jim
We had new sails made by Omar Sails in Beaufort North Carolina. They are HydraNet radial , main with battens, Amel Logo, SM362 in Blue,
Mizzen has 4 battens ,Amel Logo and the Name "Nomad" in Blue,
both sails have leech and foot lines, UV cover at clew, bag with boat
name, and telltales.
Price is $5600
The vertical battens maintain the shape of the sails. The material is stronger than Dacron and more UV resistant. We received the sails in Oct 2008 and sailed from RI to the Caribbean for the winter and are now on our way back to RI. During this time the sails have worked flawlessly. They furl with no problem. We have been in a gale with 67 knot winds on the way south and encountered no problems.
Paul at Omar has all the measurements from Amel for the SM as Henry Amel supplied them to him. Their work ios first rate along with their service as to time commitments and delivery.
He has made sails for a number of other Amel owners.

Paul LaFrance
SV Nomad #362


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: symoondog@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 19:19:24 +0000
Subject: RE: [Amel] Verical Batons


Jim, another thought, the in mast batten free sail is a proven passage maker. Battens in the main with some roach in it will improve your windward performance I will agree to that. Just remember when you have to reef the main you'll have to go head to wind. When you get hit by heavy air you release the jib and main sheets. you then must get in all the jib to put the boat head to wind. The boom will be flailing out on your beam and will be head to wind but your bow isn't. If its blowing 45 knots the bow won't come to windward unless you sheet it back in, but you have a full main and you'l be trying to sheet it in while standing the boat on its beam ends. You will end up starting the motor to drive the boat up so you can get the boom lined up with the slot in the main, if there's any main left by now it just might work. This scenario is so easy with Amels way, we just ease the main out hawl and roll up some sail and never change course regardless of wind speed or direction. If I had a reverse gear in my electric jib sheet winch, I'd never leave the helmsmen seat to do anything. What part of this do you not like? If you insist on this go a little faster ideal,make sure you don't go to the Med and get hit by one of their Mistrals, or the Atlantic and get caught in a white squall or where I just came from, 50 degree south and get blindsided by a 55 kt. williwaw blasting down a mountain.
John "Moon Dog" SM 248


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: dave_benjamin@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:21:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [Amel] Verical Batons







Jim,

As a sailmaker I am not enthused with vertical battens although there are some vocal proponents. There are issues with vertical battens getting stuck and causing problems. On a cruising boat you really don't want that risk.

Has your sailmaker built sails for a SM before? I saw one SM where a sailmaker made the sail a bit too long on the luff and built patches that were bulky. The sail required several modifications to fit properly.



--- On Tue, 5/12/09, linda.desalvo <linda.desalvo@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: linda.desalvo <linda.desalvo@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 4:32 PM

Hello All

We are in the process of ordering a new mainsail for our Super Maramu #207 and would like any feedback that we could get in reference to vertical batons. Are they something that would enhance the sail. Does anyone out there have a mainsail with vertical baton and what kind of performance does this type of sail give? Could they get stuck in the roller furling? Any advise or comments would be greatly appreciated.

Jim DeSalvo

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Re: [Amel] Raymarine Linear Drive problems and J Boat sunk between New Zealand and Fiji

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Hi Bill,
Years ago I had a similar message on my linear drive on my last boat after many thousand miles.The problem that time was that there was a huge amount of carbon dust inside the motor from the carbon brushes. After cleaning it out it worked perfectly. There was still some life left in the brushes fortunately as Raymarine UK had changed their motor supplier and had no spares and infuriatingly did not give me the details of the makers of the original motor. The other common problem was that the planetary gears in the drive were made of a nylon type material with a life of about 15000 miles. A set cost £12.50 and I had bought three sets of spares.The brass ones cost £125 a set! I sold one set to an American couple and saved their bacon. They ended up in the late nineties running a hugely successful restaurant in Vanuatu and I sold anothe set to anothr couple who were stranded somewhere in the S. Pacific. Olivier assured me that they use the brass ones but I have never checked as I also have the chain drive model as a back up.
I hope this works for you.

Best wishes, Anne and John, SM 319

----- Original Message -----
From: svbebe
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:56 PM
Subject: [Amel] Raymarine Linear Drive problems and J Boat sunk between New Zealand and Fiji





One of my fears is having to manually steer on a long passage with only 2 of us. We recently made a 1,000 mile passage from New Zealand to Vanuatu. About 200 miles into our passage, The Raymarine Autopilot went to alarm status with a message "drive stopped." The linear drive unit had failed.

Well, I donned my "chief engineer" cap and turned the A/B switch to the Rotary drive unit...problem solved, but a bit noisy as you know.

Since arriving in New Caledonia I have determined that the clutch on the linear drive unit is faulty and slipping causing it to go to alarm status. I have decided to make the next 1,000 miles to Australia with only one drive (fingers crossed) because there is a Raymarine service repair facility in Australia:

Raymarine Asia Service Workshop
aus.support@raymarine.com
Suite 301, 2 Minna Close,
Belrose, NSW, 2085
Australia

As a side note, we met a couple on a Hallberg-Rassy here in New Caledonia who had the same problem about the same time as us, however their solution did not include an A/B switch, they manually steered about 800 miles.

Also we are acquainted with a couple who were sailing a very fast J Boat departing New Zealand several days after us; they were sailing to Fiji. About 300 miles into the 1200 mile passage they also lost their autopilot (cause unknown). Additionally they began taking on water near the rudder post (but never found the actual source). The J Boat sank within 2 hours and is resting on the ocean floor with all of their belongings in about 6,000 feet of water. They could not stop the water and had no way to compartmentalize the problem. Fortunately they were rescued by a nearby boat which we also know.

Sometimes we take A/B switches and water tight compartments for granted. I thought you would like to hear these stories.

Best,

Bill
s/v Bebe SM2 #387


Re: Raymarine Linear Drive problems and J Boat sunk between New Zealand and Fiji

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Sorry...forgot that Yahoo strips out the email addresses:


Raymarine Asia Service Workshop
aus.support"at"raymarine.com
Suite 301, 2 Minna Close,
Belrose, NSW, 2085
Australia

Best,

Bill
s/v Bebe SM2 #387


Re: Amel service support in the Pacific

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Sorry, forgot about Yahoo protecting us from spammers...

the address is:
Noumea Yacht Services in Noumea, New Caledonia Herve MOAL and Eva DUMAS, email:nys22s"at"hotmail.com phone: (+687)24 01 23

Best,

Bill
s/v Bebe SM2 #387
Noumea New Caledonia


Raymarine Linear Drive problems and J Boat sunk between New Zealand and Fiji

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

One of my fears is having to manually steer on a long passage with only 2 of us. We recently made a 1,000 mile passage from New Zealand to Vanuatu. About 200 miles into our passage, The Raymarine Autopilot went to alarm status with a message "drive stopped." The linear drive unit had failed.

Well, I donned my "chief engineer" cap and turned the A/B switch to the Rotary drive unit...problem solved, but a bit noisy as you know.

Since arriving in New Caledonia I have determined that the clutch on the linear drive unit is faulty and slipping causing it to go to alarm status. I have decided to make the next 1,000 miles to Australia with only one drive (fingers crossed) because there is a Raymarine service repair facility in Australia:

Raymarine Asia Service Workshop
aus.support@raymarine.com
Suite 301, 2 Minna Close,
Belrose, NSW, 2085
Australia

As a side note, we met a couple on a Hallberg-Rassy here in New Caledonia who had the same problem about the same time as us, however their solution did not include an A/B switch, they manually steered about 800 miles.

Also we are acquainted with a couple who were sailing a very fast J Boat departing New Zealand several days after us; they were sailing to Fiji. About 300 miles into the 1200 mile passage they also lost their autopilot (cause unknown). Additionally they began taking on water near the rudder post (but never found the actual source). The J Boat sank within 2 hours and is resting on the ocean floor with all of their belongings in about 6,000 feet of water. They could not stop the water and had no way to compartmentalize the problem. Fortunately they were rescued by a nearby boat which we also know.

Sometimes we take A/B switches and water tight compartments for granted. I thought you would like to hear these stories.

Best,

Bill
s/v Bebe SM2 #387


Amel service support in the Pacific

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

I apologize if this sounds like a commercial, but when you are in remote places the following information can be very helpful:

When we arrived in New Caledonia we used Agents with Noumea Yacht Service for the customs/immigration process. Herve MOAL and Eva DUMAS, email: nys22@hotmail.com phone: (+687)24 01 23, offer very reasonably priced clearance services. On our arrival, Eva even met us at the dock and helped us with lines...great people.

Here is the really good part:
For years Herve was the Pacific Service Agent for Amel yachts and knows Amels thoroughly. He sailed many times with Henri Amel and he has circumnavigated in an Amel. Noumea Yacht Service also offers car rentals, tours, repairs, fuel arrangements, parts receipt, laborers, etc.

Best,

Bill
s/v Bebe SM2 #387
Noumea New Caledonia


Re: Disabled guest

Bob Fritz
 

Kent,
The website for the Chesapeake Region Accessible Boating is http://www.crab-sailing.org/ Each year my community sailing center (not on the Chesapeake) devotes a day to sailboat rides for disabled persons. I can only say that these days are among the most rewarding sailing that I've done. The joy of our guests out on the water is almost beyond belief. I've even taken a quadriplegic person out sailing. He couldn't wait to get back to his facility to tell everyone about his day on the water.

I can't help with specifics as to how to get your uncle on and off the boat as we have students from the physical therapy program at a local university assist with loading and unloading our guests, and my boat, a non-Amel 35 footer, has lifelines that can be detached, so that bringing someone onboard from the dock is realtively easy.

Bob


Re: Disabled guest

sherman.gifford
 

There is an organization in the northern Chesapeake Bay area for sailors with disabilities to sail on one-designs - the name is C.R.A.B. - I could try to locate their correspondence if you can't find it. And another absolutely incredible organization is the Jubilee Sailing Trust in the UK that operates two tall ships completely equipped for, and half crewed by, sailors with disabilities. They may have suggestions. Good luck!

Sherman Gifford
SM291 BREVIS
Richmond, VA

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "karkauai" <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi, again gang,
Different kind of problem this time. I have a 90 year old uncle who had polio as a kid, did pretty well for most of his life despite some weakness in his legs, and has deteriorated a lot over the last 10+ years due to post polio syndrome. His mind is very sharp. He is an absolute NUT about boats and the water and has gushed ever since he found out about my new SM. My aunt tells me he's more animated and excited than she's seen him in a long time.

I want to take him for a sail in the Chesapeake this Summer for at least a day, hopefully more. His son is willing to come along to help, but isn't a sailor. I'm hoping someone else has tackled the problem of getting on and off the boat, and up and down the companionway, and over bulkheads to get to the head and stateroom. He lives in WA state, so I haven't observed him myself, but it sounds like he's able to get onto and off a motorized "scooter" type wheelchair, but not able to walk more than a few steps.

I feel like I can get him on and off the dock using a halyard and bosun's chair, and maybe up and down the companionway using the extra halyard on the mizzen. Getting around in the boat may be an even bigger problem with the cabin sole moving all the time and not much room for one of us to be at his side. I'm sending pics of the boat and have encouraged him to talk to his rehab doc and/or therapist for some evaluation and maybe a mockup "boat" for him to see how he does.

Does anyone have any experience with disabled people aboard? Are there any sailing programs for disabled folks like there are for snow skiing and many other activities? Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Kent
"Kristy" SM243


Re: [Amel] Disabled guest

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent, this is Danny from SM 299. I ran my previous boat as a charter vessel (very low key, in a small harbour in New Zealand) I would encourage you to take your uncle. I took a number of disabled/elderly people out at different times and always with great results, eg "the best day of my life" My boat was a 42 ft tiller steer light weight (6 tonne) open transom New Zealand design racer cruiser with the emphasis on racer. I will tell you about one old chap we took out. He was 90 and had been disabled by a stroke. He could only walk with a man either side supporting him. Our harbour had no loading area deep enough for my keel so we had to load the old chap into my inflatable at a ramp then get him from the inflateable onto the open transom and onto the cockpit seats. I quizzed his son and daughter if this was what they really wanted and it was so my task was to make it happen.To get him from the ramp to the dinghy we placed the inflateable side on, got the old chap standing facing it. Then a man either side bent down and linked hands under his knees, the other arm around his back. One foot in the dinghy, one foot on the ramp, quick lift over the sde and sit him down. Got his daughter sitting opposite him holding his hands to stop him falling backwards during the trip out to the mooring. Secured the dinghy across the transom and lifted him aboard by the same method.
We sat him on the cockpit seat and off we went. The stroke had effected his speach and he couldn't talk but he sure communicated the excitement he felt. I was sailing conservatively but he indicated he wanted more action so we put a rope around his waist to prevent him slipping off the seat, sheeted in and got some spead and heeling over going. He loved it. In common with most men of his age the bladder had limited capacity. To get him down the companion way was not going to happen so one man either sde holding him up, facing the stern and he peed in a bucket. He didn't mind and nor did we. I was so grateful to have had the opportunity to give him such a good day. He had been one of the original surf life savers, a real action man. When we see an old disabled person it is so easy to forget that the "action man" is still in there and they love the chance to "do it again" I encourage you to go for it and make it happen for your uncle .
Regards
Danny

---- Original Message -----
From: Dave Benjamin
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Disabled guest





Kent,

Maybe these folks can help with some ideas - http://baads.org/

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, karkauai <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: karkauai <karkauai@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Disabled guest
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 9:37 PM

Hi, again gang,

Different kind of problem this time. I have a 90 year old uncle who had polio as a kid, did pretty well for most of his life despite some weakness in his legs, and has deteriorated a lot over the last 10+ years due to post polio syndrome. His mind is very sharp. He is an absolute NUT about boats and the water and has gushed ever since he found out about my new SM. My aunt tells me he's more animated and excited than she's seen him in a long time.

I want to take him for a sail in the Chesapeake this Summer for at least a day, hopefully more. His son is willing to come along to help, but isn't a sailor. I'm hoping someone else has tackled the problem of getting on and off the boat, and up and down the companionway, and over bulkheads to get to the head and stateroom. He lives in WA state, so I haven't observed him myself, but it sounds like he's able to get onto and off a motorized "scooter" type wheelchair, but not able to walk more than a few steps.

I feel like I can get him on and off the dock using a halyard and bosun's chair, and maybe up and down the companionway using the extra halyard on the mizzen. Getting around in the boat may be an even bigger problem with the cabin sole moving all the time and not much room for one of us to be at his side. I'm sending pics of the boat and have encouraged him to talk to his rehab doc and/or therapist for some evaluation and maybe a mockup "boat" for him to see how he does.

Does anyone have any experience with disabled people aboard? Are there any sailing programs for disabled folks like there are for snow skiing and many other activities? Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Kent

"Kristy" SM243