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Re: SM Fuel Tank Inspection Port Gaskets?

eric freedman
 

Hi Daniel,

I removed the inspection port about 10 years ago.  I used a truck inner tube as the material to make a new gasket. I have had no problems since. I opened the tank because there was debris in the bottom of the tank, It was the silicone caulking that Amel used on the gasket. I called Permatex and asked what should I use.

They suggested a tube of sealant that racers use on motorcycles. Being that for each race , depending on the track, they change the  gears.

It remains pliable .

I do not know the name as I am not on Kimberlite. It is grey, in a grey tube and can be purchased at a motorcycle shop.

 

NOTE:  Amel puts a strainer into the tank behind the shutoff valve, It is the same material Amel uses on the bathroom drains. In my case it was clogged. To remove the valve to get to the strainer you need a very thin wrench, we call it a tappet wrench.

 

It was interesting what happened when we came back from France via the Caribe. The engine would stop , I would wait a minute and it would start.

Finally after crossing the Atlantic and the Caribe, the engine stopped and would not start 10 miles from my home.

My crew said call a towboat. I said I would be damned if I would get a tow after all those miles.

I finally remove the hose from the Racor filter and no diesel came out.

I put the hose into the bell of an air horn and when I heard the tank started bubbling,  I started the engine

and motored home.  If anyone ever has the same problem, this is an easy way to temporarily clear the filter.

Amel paid to have the fuel removed and cleaned. At that time I cleaned the strainer.

No more problems after 7000 engine hours on the engine.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Carlson
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 10:52 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] SM Fuel Tank Inspection Port Gaskets?

 

Hi all, I posted this question on a previous thread about fuel tank cleaning. And I've not found a good previous discussion of the topic on the forum.

I'm looking for the right material to replace the gaskets on the inspection ports.  Diesel is pretty hard on most gaskets.  I've tried two different "rubber" materials and have not been happy with either of them.  The second one was Nitrile, grade 60A sheet rubber which I cut to fit. It was specifically recommended by the technical guy at Rubber-Cal for being best for deisel resistance, but it has deteriorate after a year or so.

 

Has anyone found a better product?  If you have replaced your gasket, what product did you use?
How long has it held up?

 

Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


SM Fuel Tank Inspection Port Gaskets?

Dan Carlson
 

Hi all, I posted this question on a previous thread about fuel tank cleaning. And I've not found a good previous discussion of the topic on the forum.

I'm looking for the right material to replace the gaskets on the inspection ports.  Diesel is pretty hard on most gaskets.  I've tried two different "rubber" materials and have not been happy with either of them.  The second one was Nitrile, grade 60A sheet rubber which I cut to fit. It was specifically recommended by the technical guy at Rubber-Cal for being best for deisel resistance, but it has deteriorate after a year or so.
 
Has anyone found a better product?  If you have replaced your gasket, what product did you use?
How long has it held up?
 
Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


Re: Fuel Level in Red Zone

Dan Carlson
 

I agree that it is about 100-150 liters left in the tank.  
1)I would also suggest that it is a good time to remove the inspection plate on the tank and take a look at the inside of the tank.  You can't see the bottom of the tank very well until you get down to less than 200 liters.
2) when you get down that low the depth of the fuel in the tank is less than the width of the tank and the distance between the baffles. So I think if you get into rough seas you will get a lot of sloshing going in the tank to store up any debris.

Best regards Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe currently in Les Saintes, Guadeloupe.  On SM #387



On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 8:18 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

I did, just yesterday. Had about 100L left. However, I’m not sure if these gauges are all calibrated the same.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ian Townsend
Sent: 17 March 2020 23:23
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel Level in Red Zone

 

i am not in this situation (yet) but still curious. Has anyone ever taken their fuel level down to the beginning of the red area on the gauge and measured actual amount in the tank using the dipstick?

Ian
Loca Lola II
SM153
Bahamas


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Yanmar 4JH3-HTE Fresh Water Pump Replacement

Dan Carlson
 

Hi Craig,. Thanks for the recco on the fluid.  Yes, unfortunately coolant is another of those mystery fluids where you are either in a well stocked parts store and faced with a myriad of mind boggling choices, or you are in a remote location with the choice of one mystery fluids written in another language.

I've always gone for fluid that is good for diesel engines and compatible with aluminum.

I will change out the fluid again as soon as I can.

And, yes I will also try to rebuild the pump to have a spare. I'm sure that it is both the seal as well as the bearing. 

Thanks again for the response with the helpful information and suggestions.

Regards Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387.


On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 12:26 AM Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi Dan,
Others have commented that you should be fine with what you've got plus, perhaps, some sheet gasket material. Under your #3 though - tricks, traps or learnings - I'd add to be sure to replace your antifreeze (coolant) with one specifically rated for diesel engines, not the much more commonly available products sold for car (gasoline/petrol) engines. That's a tip I picked up from a fantastically knowledgeable diesel mechanic (engineer for the Brits) in Annapolis who gave a super presentation at the SSCA Annapolis Gam a couple of years ago. It was new knowledge to me at the time as I didn't know there was a difference - there is.
Cheers, Craig
PS. You mention the leak is the shaft seal and you're replacing the whole pump. Next step I'd suggest is to rebuild the old pump with an inexpensive shaft seal so you'll have a fresh pump good to go when your new pump starts leaking in the future. An easy DIY job.


Re: Fuel Level in Red Zone

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

I did, just yesterday. Had about 100L left. However, I’m not sure if these gauges are all calibrated the same.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ian Townsend
Sent: 17 March 2020 23:23
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel Level in Red Zone

 

i am not in this situation (yet) but still curious. Has anyone ever taken their fuel level down to the beginning of the red area on the gauge and measured actual amount in the tank using the dipstick?

Ian
Loca Lola II
SM153
Bahamas


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Yanmar 4JH3-HTE Fresh Water Pump Replacement

Craig Briggs
 
Edited

Hi Dan,
Others have commented that you should be fine with what you've got plus, perhaps, some sheet gasket material. Under your #3 though - tricks, traps or learnings - I'd add to be sure to replace your antifreeze (coolant) with one specifically rated for diesel engines, not the much more commonly available products sold for car (gasoline/petrol) engines. That's a tip I picked up from a fantastically knowledgeable diesel mechanic (engineer for the Brits) in Annapolis who gave a super presentation at the SSCA Annapolis Gam a couple of years ago. It was new knowledge to me at the time as I didn't know there was a difference - there is.
Cheers, Craig
PS. You mention the leak is the shaft seal and you're replacing the whole pump. Next step I'd suggest is to rebuild the old pump with an inexpensive shaft seal so you'll have a fresh pump good to go when your new pump starts leaking in the future. An easy DIY job.


Fuel Level in Red Zone

Ian Townsend
 

i am not in this situation (yet) but still curious. Has anyone ever taken their fuel level down to the beginning of the red area on the gauge and measured actual amount in the tank using the dipstick?

Ian
Loca Lola II
SM153
Bahamas


Re: Yanmar 4JH3-HTE Fresh Water Pump Replacement

Dan Carlson
 

Thanks for the replies Eric and Bill.  

I was able to find some coolant in a hardware store just an hour before the closed the stores in Les Saintes and notified all of the boats on the moorings that they were not allowed to go to shore until further notice.   

And thanks for the tips on locating some existing gasket material on BeBe. I tell my wife that I can't move the stores of boat parts around BeBe because then Bill's can  continue to remind me where to find things.

I'll let you know how it goes.

This is a great group.  

Regards, Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


Re: Yanmar 4JH3-HTE Fresh Water Pump Replacement

 

Dan, 

Where did you get the pump from? There are sheets of gasket material and a O Ring making kit at the same source as the pump. 🙄

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 12:55 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

If you do not have the gasket you can go to an auto supply and get gasket material. It comes in sceehs and with a razor knife and scissors you can make a gasket. An o ring should not be difficult to find.

The purpose  of the coolant is to keep the inside of the block from rusting in addition to other things.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:52 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Yanmar 4JH3-HTE Fresh Water Pump Replacement

 

Good morning all, it is time for me to replace the fresh water pump on the YANMAR 4JH3-HTE (100hp Turbo) diesel.   The original plan was to have it done in Martinique, but it has started to leak from the shaft seal at the front of the engine.  I am currently at Les Saintes and with the Covid 19 situation it seems prudent to stay here for a bit.  I already have the replacement pump. But I have a few questions:
1) I'm not sure that I have the right gasket to go between the water pump and the engine, but I have lots of Permatex #2 and 26B Gasket maker, will one of those be ok? There is at least one other gasket for the thermostat and an O-ring that I also may be missing. 
2) Coolant there is not much choice for coolants here but the manual indicated you can run on clean fresh water. I've only heard of people using coolant, but open to other perspectives ( I do know it is important not to mix different coolants)
3) any other tricks , traps or learnings from others who have done the job would be appreciated.

Thanks and regards, Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387


Re: Yanmar 4JH3-HTE Fresh Water Pump Replacement

eric freedman
 

If you do not have the gasket you can go to an auto supply and get gasket material. It comes in sceehs and with a razor knife and scissors you can make a gasket. An o ring should not be difficult to find.

The purpose  of the coolant is to keep the inside of the block from rusting in addition to other things.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:52 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Yanmar 4JH3-HTE Fresh Water Pump Replacement

 

Good morning all, it is time for me to replace the fresh water pump on the YANMAR 4JH3-HTE (100hp Turbo) diesel.   The original plan was to have it done in Martinique, but it has started to leak from the shaft seal at the front of the engine.  I am currently at Les Saintes and with the Covid 19 situation it seems prudent to stay here for a bit.  I already have the replacement pump. But I have a few questions:
1) I'm not sure that I have the right gasket to go between the water pump and the engine, but I have lots of Permatex #2 and 26B Gasket maker, will one of those be ok? There is at least one other gasket for the thermostat and an O-ring that I also may be missing. 
2) Coolant there is not much choice for coolants here but the manual indicated you can run on clean fresh water. I've only heard of people using coolant, but open to other perspectives ( I do know it is important not to mix different coolants)
3) any other tricks , traps or learnings from others who have done the job would be appreciated.

Thanks and regards, Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387


Yanmar 4JH3-HTE Fresh Water Pump Replacement

Dan Carlson
 

Good morning all, it is time for me to replace the fresh water pump on the YANMAR 4JH3-HTE (100hp Turbo) diesel.   The original plan was to have it done in Martinique, but it has started to leak from the shaft seal at the front of the engine.  I am currently at Les Saintes and with the Covid 19 situation it seems prudent to stay here for a bit.  I already have the replacement pump. But I have a few questions:
1) I'm not sure that I have the right gasket to go between the water pump and the engine, but I have lots of Permatex #2 and 26B Gasket maker, will one of those be ok? There is at least one other gasket for the thermostat and an O-ring that I also may be missing. 
2) Coolant there is not much choice for coolants here but the manual indicated you can run on clean fresh water. I've only heard of people using coolant, but open to other perspectives ( I do know it is important not to mix different coolants)
3) any other tricks , traps or learnings from others who have done the job would be appreciated.

Thanks and regards, Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387


Re: New Zealand surveyor

JOHN HAYES
 

Hi Nick 

There is a very competent and highly regarded boat builder / surveyor Rob Carpenter living near Picton in Waikawa Bay at the top of the South Island. He is not an Amel specialist and I think he may not have dealt with another Amel apart from my Santorin which he has been over several times. He has done cat 2 certificate then cat 1 last year and did a full survey and report so we could get insurance to go offshore to the South Pacific last year. (We have just returned from a trip south to the sub Antarctic Auckland islands)

He is also a really nice person loaded with commonsense. He had also done a circumnavigation with his family and known for designing yachts including the carpenter 35

Send me a direct email and I’ll give you contact details
Best
John Hayes 
Nga Waka sn41
Wellington 


On 11/03/2020, at 6:04 PM, Nick Fowle <nhfowle@...> wrote:



Hi, would anyone be able to recommend a surveyor down in N Island New Zealand please? 


ideally someone who has experience of Super Maramu if possible ? 


many thanks 


Re: New file uploaded to main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

Courtney Gorman
 

True we had our last meal ashore last night heading north now not sure where we’ll end up 


On Mar 16, 2020, at 8:23 PM, Stefan Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:

Hi together!

Please note:
In Martinique all shops Bars , the yard an also the Amel Store is closed regarding the Covid 19 hype.
We heard about that this evening from Per-Erik SM 373 Voyageur, Le Marin 

Good luck 

Stefan 



Stefan Deerberg 

Geschäftsführer 
Deerberg GmbH 
Unternehmer/ Entrepreneur

Velgen 35
29582 Hanstedt 
Germany

Mobil: +49 172 7757444
stefan.deerberg@...
www.deerberg.de



Re: New file uploaded to main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

marty hameline
 

Appreciate the update Stefan. 
I’ve postponed my flight this Saturday and we are now booked out of Montreal on April 4th. $170 One Way. 
Fingers crossed for getting supplies for the trek nord   
Regards,

Martin Hameline 
SV VoileOVent 
Maramu #129
 


On Mar 16, 2020, at 8:23 PM, Stefan Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:

Hi together!

Please note:
In Martinique all shops Bars , the yard an also the Amel Store is closed regarding the Covid 19 hype.
We heard about that this evening from Per-Erik SM 373 Voyageur, Le Marin 

Good luck 

Stefan 



Stefan Deerberg 

Geschäftsführer 
Deerberg GmbH 
Unternehmer/ Entrepreneur

Velgen 35
29582 Hanstedt 
Germany

Mobil: +49 172 7757444
stefan.deerberg@...
www.deerberg.de



Re: New file uploaded to main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

Stefan and Anne Deerberg
 

Hi together!

Please note:
In Martinique all shops Bars , the yard an also the Amel Store is closed regarding the Covid 19 hype.
We heard about that this evening from Per-Erik SM 373 Voyageur, Le Marin 

Good luck 

Stefan 



Stefan Deerberg 

Geschäftsführer 
Deerberg GmbH 
Unternehmer/ Entrepreneur

Velgen 35
29582 Hanstedt 
Germany

Mobil: +49 172 7757444
stefan.deerberg@...
www.deerberg.de



Re: There is NO restrictions for boats to come to Sint Maarten.

John Clark
 

Thanks Alex, so I might be seeing you sooner!


On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 2:56 PM Alexandre Uster von Baar via Groups.Io <uster=rocketmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

An Amel owner just asked me if boats were still allowed to go to Sint Maarten, so I went to Immigration and ask.  


Only incoming “commercial” flights from the US, UK and EU are canceled as well as cruise ship.  


Private jets & boats are still allowed to come to the island, “REGARDLESS” of where they are coming from. 


Which is not the case for Turks & Caicos as a friend of mine (non-Amel owner) was denied access since he came from Dominican Republic.  


Hope that helps.  

Alexandre


Re: New file uploaded to main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

 

Albon at Amel in Martinique can probably have the gear or shaft/gear for you when you arrive. You can email him at amel.caraibes"at"wanadoo.fr

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 2:27 PM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I just had two teeth on the gear attached to the horizontal winch-handle shaft break off.   No warning as it has always worked smoothly and easily.  It feels too light-weight to be stainless. Is it aluminum???

Also, the last time I serviced it was probably 5 years ago, and I found it greased when I opened it, so I regreased it.  This time the grease has some water in it, with a little milky color, but all works smoothly and easily.  My question is whether it should have been greased.  I have read that the holes in the bottom are to let water out, and that it should be flushed regularly with fresh water. That sounds like a no-grease sçenario....maybe sailcote or other dry lubricant? I was unable to open Gary's file about servicing it.
 
What about the main Furler manual gearbox?  It still works and I've never serviced it, but I'm way overdue to do that and now am concerned about the foil shearing after 20 years.  Again, should it be greased, or not?

Will be in Martinique in about 2 weeks.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice.

Kent and Iris
Kristy
SN243
 


𝘼𝙣𝙩𝙞𝙜𝙪𝙖 𝙧𝙚𝙛𝙚𝙧𝙧𝙖𝙡𝙨: 𝘾𝙤𝙢𝙥𝙖𝙣𝙞𝙤𝙣𝙬𝙖𝙮 𝘿𝙤𝙤𝙧 𝙑𝙚𝙣𝙚𝙚𝙧, 𝘼𝙢𝙚𝙡 54 𝘽𝙤𝙬 𝙏𝙝𝙧𝙪𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧 𝙧𝙚𝙥𝙖𝙞𝙧, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙀𝙡𝙚𝙘𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙘𝙞𝙖𝙣

 

Recently, I was in Antigua with a client and Amel 54 owner that many of you know. Antigua's Jolly Harbour is a beautiful place and the home of some special shops which I believe can help Amel owners. Here are 3 special people I met:

𝘾𝙤𝙢𝙥𝙖𝙣𝙞𝙤𝙣𝙬𝙖𝙮 𝘿𝙤𝙤𝙧 𝙑𝙚𝙣𝙚𝙚𝙧
I met Chris Waelen (Anything Wood) in Jolly Harbour Boatyard, Jolly Harbour, Antigua. Chris works wonders with anything wood. I looked him up because he replaced the veneer on the companionway door of an Amel 54 with teak veneer. Here is a photo:

The turnkey price is $300 US. I just added Chris to the Preferred Vendors of Amel Owners Yacht School. Contact Information: Anything Wood Boat Builder, chriswaelen@...,  +1 268-726-1690

𝘼𝙢𝙚𝙡 54 𝘽𝙤𝙬 𝙏𝙝𝙧𝙪𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧 𝙧𝙚𝙥𝙖𝙞𝙧
I also met David Walter (Multi Task Marine Services). This guy knows Side Power thrusters. He can also perform magic on anything mechanical. I watched him perfectly repair a Calpeda AC pump. He replaced parts, rubber mounts and repainted the pump. It operated like new and looked new. Contact information: Multi Task Marine Service tarzan750africa@... +1 268-773-8976

𝙀𝙡𝙚𝙘𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙘𝙞𝙖𝙣
I also met Wayne Bell (Coast to Coast Marine Service). What a pleasure it was. Wayne is an electrician who has a knack with marine electronics. Contact information: Wayne Bell <wayneb@...> +1 268-764-3033

I hope this helps those in need. 

Stay safe and stay well. 
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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Re: New file uploaded to main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

karkauai
 

I just had two teeth on the gear attached to the horizontal winch-handle shaft break off.   No warning as it has always worked smoothly and easily.  It feels too light-weight to be stainless. Is it aluminum???

Also, the last time I serviced it was probably 5 years ago, and I found it greased when I opened it, so I regreased it.  This time the grease has some water in it, with a little milky color, but all works smoothly and easily.  My question is whether it should have been greased.  I have read that the holes in the bottom are to let water out, and that it should be flushed regularly with fresh water. That sounds like a no-grease sçenario....maybe sailcote or other dry lubricant? I was unable to open Gary's file about servicing it.
 
What about the main Furler manual gearbox?  It still works and I've never serviced it, but I'm way overdue to do that and now am concerned about the foil shearing after 20 years.  Again, should it be greased, or not?

Will be in Martinique in about 2 weeks.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice.

Kent and Iris
Kristy
SN243
 


There is NO restrictions for boats to come to Sint Maarten.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

An Amel owner just asked me if boats were still allowed to go to Sint Maarten, so I went to Immigration and ask.  


Only incoming “commercial” flights from the US, UK and EU are canceled as well as cruise ship.  


Private jets & boats are still allowed to come to the island, “REGARDLESS” of where they are coming from. 


Which is not the case for Turks & Caicos as a friend of mine (non-Amel owner) was denied access since he came from Dominican Republic.  


Hope that helps.  

Alexandre