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Re: [Amel] Link to : Slideshow : STUPID YES IT is an STUPID STORY ....

jlmertz@free.fr <jlmertz@...>
 

Sorry I make a mistake (copy / past)
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CottonBay
SM316
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David Mackintosh a écrit :


Dont know how stupid it was - i had seen this already - looks like fun
certainly a picture for the owners study wall and the saloon bulkhead!!! -
They could have done with a bit more boat speed to stay ahead of that
breaking wave OR been pulling a drogue to keep their boat lined up and not
so easy to be broached and flung on her beam ends - but then the breaking
wave may have dumped on the cockpit with more serious consequences.
Without
being there we dont know if this breaking wave came out of nowhere and
before and after these picture were taken things were 'reasonably' benign.
Being a Bennie owner and seeing the newer boats much lighter built (more
'engineerinly' designed boats - which i dont like as much) come
through this
sort of event makes the 'Bendy Toys' nickname look even more
silly.............I think you could have put almost any sail boat in this
picture including any Amel and only the shape of the boat would change.

regards

David

2009/6/7 MERTZ <jlmertz@free.fr <mailto:jlmertz%40free.fr>>



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j-luc
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Re: [Amel] Link to : Slideshow : STUPID YES IT is an STUPID STORY ....

David Mackintosh <dlm48@...>
 

Dont know how stupid it was - i had seen this already - looks like fun
certainly a picture for the owners study wall and the saloon bulkhead!!! -
They could have done with a bit more boat speed to stay ahead of that
breaking wave OR been pulling a drogue to keep their boat lined up and not
so easy to be broached and flung on her beam ends - but then the breaking
wave may have dumped on the cockpit with more serious consequences. Without
being there we dont know if this breaking wave came out of nowhere and
before and after these picture were taken things were 'reasonably' benign.
Being a Bennie owner and seeing the newer boats much lighter built (more
'engineerinly' designed boats - which i dont like as much) come through this
sort of event makes the 'Bendy Toys' nickname look even more
silly.............I think you could have put almost any sail boat in this
picture including any Amel and only the shape of the boat would change.

regards

David

2009/6/7 MERTZ <jlmertz@free.fr>



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Regards,
j-luc
CottonBay

Regards,
j-luc
CottonBay



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CottonBay




Regards,
j-luc
CottonBay


Re: [Amel] Re:Head discharge hose clogged with calcification and vinegar as a solution

BM2 <bluemarinemartin@...>
 

Bonjour,


I had the same problem, two years ago, in New Caledonia, with the fore cabin heads.
Since I was receiving friends the next day, I was rather worried and was looking for a speclialist in cleaning tank.
Before he came, I had another idea: I openned the vent on deck and poke with a broomstick. it appeared that the discharge valve is just underneath the vent, and vertical. In 2 minutes the job was done, unfortunately in the Marina du sud in Nouméa.

Simple things sometimes work

BM2
bluemarinemartin@gmail.com
2009-06-06
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Date : 2009-06-03, 23:34:37
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FW: A tale of terror from Toujours or 'Go hug your autopilot now!!'

Tom Steinhoff <sytoujours@...>
 

As we have a Raymarine linear drive auto pilot on our Mango and it failed pretty much as described, thought you might enjoy this. We have now been at Bonaire for a week and the good news is that the Raymarine did not self destruct as we had turned it off once it started making horrible grinding noises. It will cost about $250 to fix, mainly brushes, balancing, etc. The hydraulic motor failed due to over heating and dirty hydraulic fluid; easy to figure this stuff out in calm water! And obviously the hydraulic pilot will be used extensively in our next passage. Take care out there, Bonnie


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I reckon that most cruisers second greatest fear - the first being losing your boat - would be losing your auto pilot. It only takes one passage, even only 24 hours - to quickly realize that your auto pilot is the best crew member on your boat. What kind of crew would un-complainingly and with great efficiency steer your boat not for hours but for days on end? Not anyone we know, including ourselves! In our early cruising years, we had severe problems with our new auto pilots to the extent that our boat was known as 'auto pilot hell' instead of Toujours. It took 3 years and our first stop in Auckland with the auto pilot rep to begin to straighten out the massive problems- took again too much money but finally by the end of 2001 we had 2 auto pilots, both of which worked exceptionally well; one is a linear using an Ratheon motor and one is a very beefy Wagner hydraulic driven off the quadrant. We did not use the hydraulic pilot very much, it just took
too much power. However, we did check it fairly often, it always worked. We did have to replace one rudder sensor, and I think maybe one control box. The Raytheon worked always; however, it did start to make some clicking sounds, maybe for a half hour early on in a passage, then always stopped. Mistake number one, did not check it out.
 
So, here we were 5 days ago in Trinidad, doing the ever present and required boat work - would be happy to give you details, we love the quality and price of work that is available there- and way too quickly, with no rest (mistake number 2), got the boat (after 1 week in the yard) ready to go to Tobago and maybe Grenada and then to Bonaire for the summer. Weather quickly decided that the best course was to Bonaire. However, before we turned the corner, the linear auto pilot, at about 3 pm of the day we left, died, rather painfully, it seemed. So, while I steered for a few minutes, Tom turned on the backup hydraulic auto pilot and voila! everything is wonderful, worked flawlessly. At this point we could have got to Grenada pretty easily, mistake number 3. On the next morning at about 9 am, the hydraulic auto pilot screamed and stopped working. Again, I steer while Tom checks it out. At first, with tools, etc., it seemed like it had just become
dis-connected from the rudder sensor. So, with some work he got it re-attached. And of course, this was not the problem. By now I had been steering for almost 2 hours, and forgot to mention that the wind is 20 to 25 knots off the starboard quarter, big swells, but all mostly behind us. Tom quickly realizes that we have no recourse to fixing the hydraulic Wagner ram, there are no parts for it, and would really take calm water and lots of time to resolve the problems. Yikes, not available.
 
So, with very resigned curses, we realized that we were not only in auto pilot hell, but we would get to steer for the next 48 hours or so that it would take us to get to Bonaire. Go hug your auto pilot right this second!! By about noon of that day, now on my second steerage, I stated that I could no longer steer with all the sails up, the pressure on the rudder/wheel was too much for me. Had we had a working auto pilot we would probably have turned into the wind, dropped the main, and continued on with the head sail and the mizzen sail. On our boat this is very balanced and very comfortable. Well, since the person steering has their entire body and mind into steering, the off person has to handle everything else, including sail changes, etc. Suddenly we realize just how vulnerable we really are, one person has to basically single hand while the steering person tries to control the boat. Big yikes. That night we straightened the sails and motored to
better control the boat - we were pitching and yawing too much. What a night, we had to take turns of one hour on one hour off, impossible to do more than 1 hour steering. The next day, more of the same, wind picked up a bit, lots of pressure on the steering wheel. Pretty quickly you end up sort of living in a very strange tunnel, all you can think of while steering is what you will do on your hour off. Pretty tetchy about that hour, if someone asks you to do something simple like pulling an airmail grib file, the response is something like do it on your own time!! By the evening of the second night, it was clear that we would get to Bonaire around 1 am, we figured we could probably go into the marina as we had been there before. By now, of course, very tired and not making very good decisions. It took a lot of work at around 2 am in the protected side of Bonaire - the wind is till 20 to 25 but no swells - to get the main down; I wanted to open a
bottle of champagne! And as there was no moon, couldn't see anything much, so we ended up just slowly motoring until 6 am when we could finally see well enough to pick up a mooring. Slept for 3 hours or so and then checked in, got email access, etc.
 
My therapy for this trauma is writing this email! I composed it through at least 2 watches, then got off on such things as trying to recall all the girls in my girl scout troop from 4th and 5th grades - got at least 8 or them, but I am pretty sure we had at least 12 girls! Crikey, the things you do to try to keep yourself together! We will be working on the auto pilots for the next days, and are now planning to re-install the Autohelm 3000 that came with the boat as a backup - we actually used it in 1998 to get us back to San Diego from Cabo San Lucas. Three has got to be the charm!
 
Hope all is well with all of you, we will be in Bonaire for the next 3 months, cheers, Bonnie and Tom, still on Toujours 



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Re: [Amel] Radar Reflectors

Eric Freedman
 

We were in hurricane force conditions October 28 and 29 North West of
Bermuda and the stream. Force 12 winds, seas 50-60 feet. I saw a ship on Ais
2 miles away. I called them up and they did not see me.

AIS is the thing to have.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Mackintosh
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 6:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Radar Reflectors








Yes read all of that before BUT this was conducted in laboratory conditions.
Shame they could not have got hold of a real ship and a few boats/yachts and
gone out into mid channel and did some real life tests - i think the SeaMe
would have still won but wonder what sort of performance the passive
reflectors would have achieved. I know of some real life tests where one of
the popular can reflectors they tested (you have a choice of two make a
guess) was totally useless - did not enhance the targets radar signature at
all :-(

I guess a SeaMe and an AIS transducer is now the best way of being seen by
the BIG Boys if you sail in or transit busy shipping waters. Dont suppose
this stops a submarine hitting you or surfacing under your boat.....and
before you say unlikely we had one boat over here get hit by the periscope
of a submerged submarine and there was a fairly large Japanese survey boat
got sunk by a submarine doing i think a emergency surfacing drill.

regards

David

2009/6/5 kimberlite <kimberlite@optonlin <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net>
e.net>



Hi,

I came across this analysis of radar reflectors.

Looks like the see me unit out performs them all.

Glad I have one. Thanks Ian.

http://www.ybw. <http://www.ybw.com/pbo/pdfs/radar_reflectors.pdf>
com/pbo/pdfs/radar_reflectors.pdf

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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Re: [Amel] Radar Reflectors

David Mackintosh <dlm48@...>
 

As my boat is 'dry' would coke cans do?

:-)

regards

David



2009/6/5 Alex Paquin <alex.paquin@usa.net>



I read somewhere that in a real life test, the winning reflector was a
plastic garbage bag full of beer cans.
I don't know how true this but it sounded like a lot of fun. Maybe worth
testing....

Alex
s/v Simpatico
Maramu 94



Re: [Amel] Radar Reflectors

Alejandro Paquin
 

I read somewhere that in a real life test, the winning reflector was a plastic garbage bag full of beer cans.
I don't know how true this but it sounded like a lot of fun. Maybe worth testing....

Alex
s/v Simpatico
Maramu 94


Re: [Amel] Radar Reflectors

David Mackintosh <dlm48@...>
 

Yes read all of that before BUT this was conducted in laboratory conditions.
Shame they could not have got hold of a real ship and a few boats/yachts and
gone out into mid channel and did some real life tests - i think the SeaMe
would have still won but wonder what sort of performance the passive
reflectors would have achieved. I know of some real life tests where one of
the popular can reflectors they tested (you have a choice of two make a
guess) was totally useless - did not enhance the targets radar signature at
all :-(

I guess a SeaMe and an AIS transducer is now the best way of being seen by
the BIG Boys if you sail in or transit busy shipping waters. Dont suppose
this stops a submarine hitting you or surfacing under your boat.....and
before you say unlikely we had one boat over here get hit by the periscope
of a submerged submarine and there was a fairly large Japanese survey boat
got sunk by a submarine doing i think a emergency surfacing drill.

regards

David

2009/6/5 kimberlite <kimberlite@optonline.net>



Hi,

I came across this analysis of radar reflectors.

Looks like the see me unit out performs them all.

Glad I have one. Thanks Ian.

http://www.ybw.com/pbo/pdfs/radar_reflectors.pdf

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





Important Spare Parts for SM

bootlegger@...
 

Jose

Would appreciate a copy of your Exel Spares List. My e-mail address is:
bootlegger@mailasail.co.im. Many thanks.

Frank Newton

S/V 'Bootleggger of Mann'
SM 2 #323

Trinidad

Jose,

From my experience of 3 years into a circumnavigation, I would add the
following (assuming that you have routine items like filters, belts,
etc.:
Onan Generator MDKAV
Heat Exchanger Cap Kit 130-5176
Impeller 132-0498 old#132-0375
Impeller O Ring 132-0372
Pencil Zinc 130-4434
Switch Low Pressure (Raw Water) 309-0667

Yanmar Model 4JH3-HTE
Impeller 129670-42530
O Ring for Impeller cover X506590
Yanmar Cruise Spares Kit

Pumps:
A/C Raw Water Pump overhaul kit
Head Mascerator Pump motor complete Jabsco 37072-0094
Head Mascerator Pump repair kit Jabsco 90197-0000
Head Supply Pump rebuild kit Jabsco 30682-1000&30617-1000
Fresh Water Pump rebuild kit Reya A66B
----Woodruff key for impeller for above pump 1/8 X 3/8 Reya 035650
Bilge Sump Electric Pump rebuild kit
Bilge Sump Manual Pump rebuild kit
Bilge Sump Electric Pump Complete (orig-rebuilt 7/27/08) Marina ZZ (Reya)
Bilge Hose Strainer (Strum Box) 1 1/2" OS Diameter
Anchor wash Overhaul kit JDREX S40 24 volt
Anchor wash "L" rubber adapter

Windlass Switch Rubber Covers
Windlass Switches

Lewmar Winch service kit Size 6-64

Zinc for Spurs Line Cutter

The following from Amel (although you can find some of these elsewhere
such as bearings and seals)
Amel U-Drive
Shaft Wear Bushing and Seal(3) Replacement Kit

Bow Thruster
Set of 3 foam donuts
Shaft Seal
60mm tube seal Seal
Set of Nylon prop screws (will use when servicing thruster)
Bow Thruster - nylon prop hub and stainless steel prop hub pin

I have a complete list of spares that we carry on BeBe in an Excel
workbook that I can email to you. I will say that we have not touched 75%
of them...possibly because we have them!!

Best,


Bill
s/v Bebe, SM2, #387
Mackay, Australia




I already have in my list:

1) bilge pump repair kit
2) Bow thruster seals ( The boat has 3 spare props)
3) Transmission seals


Any other parts for the electric furling systems?
What about electrical system spares?

Thanks a lot in advance
Jose and Magnolia
IPANEMA SM278
Marblehead, MA
USA


Radar Reflectors

Eric Freedman
 

Hi,

I came across this analysis of radar reflectors.

Looks like the see me unit out performs them all.

Glad I have one. Thanks Ian.



http://www.ybw.com/pbo/pdfs/radar_reflectors.pdf



Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


Re: [Amel] Re: Important Spare Parts for SM

Eric Freedman
 

Would love to se your list of spares,



Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite



Kimberlite@OPTONLINE.NET



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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbebe
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Important Spare Parts for SM








Jose,

From my experience of 3 years into a circumnavigation, I would add the
following (assuming that you have routine items like filters, belts, etc.:

Onan Generator MDKAV
Heat Exchanger Cap Kit 130-5176
Impeller 132-0498 old#132-0375
Impeller O Ring 132-0372
Pencil Zinc 130-4434
Switch Low Pressure (Raw Water) 309-0667

Yanmar Model 4JH3-HTE
Impeller 129670-42530
O Ring for Impeller cover X506590
Yanmar Cruise Spares Kit

Pumps:
A/C Raw Water Pump overhaul kit
Head Mascerator Pump motor complete Jabsco 37072-0094
Head Mascerator Pump repair kit Jabsco 90197-0000
Head Supply Pump rebuild kit Jabsco 30682-1000&30617-1000
Fresh Water Pump rebuild kit Reya A66B
----Woodruff key for impeller for above pump 1/8 X 3/8 Reya 035650
Bilge Sump Electric Pump rebuild kit
Bilge Sump Manual Pump rebuild kit
Bilge Sump Electric Pump Complete (orig-rebuilt 7/27/08) Marina ZZ (Reya)
Bilge Hose Strainer (Strum Box) 1 1/2" OS Diameter
Anchor wash Overhaul kit JDREX S40 24 volt
Anchor wash "L" rubber adapter

Windlass Switch Rubber Covers
Windlass Switches

Lewmar Winch service kit Size 6-64

Zinc for Spurs Line Cutter

The following from Amel (although you can find some of these elsewhere such
as bearings and seals)
Amel U-Drive
Shaft Wear Bushing and Seal(3) Replacement Kit

Bow Thruster
Set of 3 foam donuts
Shaft Seal
60mm tube seal Seal
Set of Nylon prop screws (will use when servicing thruster)
Bow Thruster - nylon prop hub and stainless steel prop hub pin

I have a complete list of spares that we carry on BeBe in an Excel workbook
that I can email to you. I will say that we have not touched 75% of
them...possibly because we have them!!

Best,

Bill
s/v Bebe, SM2, #387
Mackay, Australia

I already have in my list:

1) bilge pump repair kit
2) Bow thruster seals ( The boat has 3 spare props)
3) Transmission seals


Any other parts for the electric furling systems?
What about electrical system spares?

Thanks a lot in advance
Jose and Magnolia
IPANEMA SM278
Marblehead, MA
USA


Re: Important Spare Parts for SM

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jose,

From my experience of 3 years into a circumnavigation, I would add the following (assuming that you have routine items like filters, belts, etc.:

Onan Generator MDKAV
Heat Exchanger Cap Kit 130-5176
Impeller 132-0498 old#132-0375
Impeller O Ring 132-0372
Pencil Zinc 130-4434
Switch Low Pressure (Raw Water) 309-0667

Yanmar Model 4JH3-HTE
Impeller 129670-42530
O Ring for Impeller cover X506590
Yanmar Cruise Spares Kit

Pumps:
A/C Raw Water Pump overhaul kit
Head Mascerator Pump motor complete Jabsco 37072-0094
Head Mascerator Pump repair kit Jabsco 90197-0000
Head Supply Pump rebuild kit Jabsco 30682-1000&30617-1000
Fresh Water Pump rebuild kit Reya A66B
----Woodruff key for impeller for above pump 1/8 X 3/8 Reya 035650
Bilge Sump Electric Pump rebuild kit
Bilge Sump Manual Pump rebuild kit
Bilge Sump Electric Pump Complete (orig-rebuilt 7/27/08) Marina ZZ (Reya)
Bilge Hose Strainer (Strum Box) 1 1/2" OS Diameter
Anchor wash Overhaul kit JDREX S40 24 volt
Anchor wash "L" rubber adapter

Windlass Switch Rubber Covers
Windlass Switches

Lewmar Winch service kit Size 6-64

Zinc for Spurs Line Cutter

The following from Amel (although you can find some of these elsewhere such as bearings and seals)
Amel U-Drive
Shaft Wear Bushing and Seal(3) Replacement Kit

Bow Thruster
Set of 3 foam donuts
Shaft Seal
60mm tube seal Seal
Set of Nylon prop screws (will use when servicing thruster)
Bow Thruster - nylon prop hub and stainless steel prop hub pin

I have a complete list of spares that we carry on BeBe in an Excel workbook that I can email to you. I will say that we have not touched 75% of them...possibly because we have them!!

Best,


Bill
s/v Bebe, SM2, #387
Mackay, Australia

I already have in my list:

1) bilge pump repair kit
2) Bow thruster seals ( The boat has 3 spare props)
3) Transmission seals


Any other parts for the electric furling systems?
What about electrical system spares?

Thanks a lot in advance
Jose and Magnolia
IPANEMA SM278
Marblehead, MA
USA


Important Spare Parts for SM

José Gabriel Venegas <jgvenegas@...>
 

I bought my SM2 #278 last October and have enjoyed every second of it. We sailed her to Bahamas last December, I just brought her up to Marblehead last week in a flawless passage lasting 7 days.

However, as expected for a boat of this age, I have had to do a couple of repairs, and was lucky that the previous owner had spare parts for each of these repairs. As many of you have pointed out, as I ordered spares from France I came to experience the cost of shipping parts by AMEL who sends them next day FedEX.

Fortunately, I will be visiting France for business reasons in two weeks and will have the chance to stock up my boat with critical spare parts.
I will greatly appreciate of you could help me with your experience by suggesting which parts I should order. Has any one made a list of important AMEL spare parts?

I already have in my list:

1) bilge pump repair kit
2) Bow thruster seals ( The boat has 3 spare props)
3) Transmission seals


Any other parts for the electric furling systems?
What about electrical system spares?

Thanks a lot in advance
Jose and Magnolia
IPANEMA SM278
Marblehead, MA
USA


Re: Head discharge hose clogged with calcification and vinegar as a solution

karkauai
 

I had the same problem of backflow into the bowl, replaced the hoses and joker valve but still had backflow into the bowl. I added a valve to the line and shut it off whenever I leave the boat. Interestingly it fills the bowl but never overflows the bowl when the boat's not rocking...I guess there's just enough in the hose to fill the bowl. Seems like the leak has finally quit and I'm not sure I need the valve any more, but I'm still going to close it off when I'm gone.

A marine head service guy told me that vinegar and oil was good for preventative maintenance, but not for clearing out clogged lines. He said some people use muriatic acid. Has anyone done that? Any luck?
Thanks,
Kent
SM243 "Kristy"


Re: [Amel] soda blasting

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thank you Joel, much appreciated.
Danny SM299

----- Original Message -----
From: Joel F. Potter
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel] soda blasting





All things equal, soda or "media" blasting is a much better way to remove old anti-fouling
than sanding. Like any mechanical process, the desired end result depends a great deal on
the skill of the one performing the work. A good media blasting technician can coax all
the coatings off without damaging the underlying gel coat. Keep an eye on the process as
it begins. If the technician cuts through the gel coat more than once, pull the plug and
go to PLAN B. Always have a plan B.
If the gel coat is not perforated, you need not put any anti-osmotic coatings on the hull.
AMEL puts the anti-osmotic barrier coat BEHIND the gel coat while initially laminating the
fiberglass so, if the gel coat is not compromised, the anti-osmotics are still as
effective as they were originally. Just repair any areas where the gel coat gets cut and
you are good to go. Nothing wrong with the belt and braces(suspenders) approach of adding
more anti-osmosis coatings. However, they really are not necessary.
If you must employ any type of conventional machine sanding, watch the operator like a
hawk for the entire process as it is much more likely to result in damaged/perforated gel
coat compared to media blasting. Sand blasting has its own set of problems and should not
be used on fiberglass boat bottoms.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Phone: 1 (954) 462-5869 Fax: 1 (954) 462-3923


Re: Head discharge hose clogged with calcification and vinegar as a solution

rossirossix4
 

Don't know why, but every time I've had a problem with the holding tanks seeping back into the toilet bowel, I've filled the head with a gallon of vinegar and pumped it half through, then waited overnight, and the problem is gone for weeks/months. Haven't had to replace the oneway rubber valve in years.

For what its worth.

Bob, Brittany de la Mer

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Bill,

I tried the same thing a few tears ago 100% vinegar also nada.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbebe
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re:Head discharge hose clogged with calcification and
vinegar as a solution








Re: test with vinegar

After I solved the problem with heavy calcification by using the tool shown
in the photo section and described in earlier postings, I decided to conduct
an experiment with vinegar and the calcified deposits.

I took some chunks of the deposits and placed and equal amount in each of 2
jars. One jar was filled with 50:50 salt water and vinegar and the other
with 50:50 drinking water and vinegar.

The reults after 30 days of soaking in the solutions:
Nothing, Nada, Zilch... The vinegar solutions had absolutely no effect.

Possibly the results that some have seen with adding vinegar to the head to
rid calcified deposits is some sort of placebo effect!

Thought you would like to know.

Best,

Bill
s/v Bebe, SM2, #387
Mackay, Australia







Re: [Amel] Re:Head discharge hose clogged with calcification and vinegar as a solution

Eric Freedman
 

Bill,

I tried the same thing a few tears ago 100% vinegar also nada.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbebe
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re:Head discharge hose clogged with calcification and
vinegar as a solution








Re: test with vinegar

After I solved the problem with heavy calcification by using the tool shown
in the photo section and described in earlier postings, I decided to conduct
an experiment with vinegar and the calcified deposits.

I took some chunks of the deposits and placed and equal amount in each of 2
jars. One jar was filled with 50:50 salt water and vinegar and the other
with 50:50 drinking water and vinegar.

The reults after 30 days of soaking in the solutions:
Nothing, Nada, Zilch... The vinegar solutions had absolutely no effect.

Possibly the results that some have seen with adding vinegar to the head to
rid calcified deposits is some sort of placebo effect!

Thought you would like to know.

Best,

Bill
s/v Bebe, SM2, #387
Mackay, Australia


Re: [Amel] soda blasting

amelforme
 

All things equal, soda or "media" blasting is a much better way to remove old anti-fouling
than sanding. Like any mechanical process, the desired end result depends a great deal on
the skill of the one performing the work. A good media blasting technician can coax all
the coatings off without damaging the underlying gel coat. Keep an eye on the process as
it begins. If the technician cuts through the gel coat more than once, pull the plug and
go to PLAN B. Always have a plan B.
If the gel coat is not perforated, you need not put any anti-osmotic coatings on the hull.
AMEL puts the anti-osmotic barrier coat BEHIND the gel coat while initially laminating the
fiberglass so, if the gel coat is not compromised, the anti-osmotics are still as
effective as they were originally. Just repair any areas where the gel coat gets cut and
you are good to go. Nothing wrong with the belt and braces(suspenders) approach of adding
more anti-osmosis coatings. However, they really are not necessary.
If you must employ any type of conventional machine sanding, watch the operator like a
hawk for the entire process as it is much more likely to result in damaged/perforated gel
coat compared to media blasting. Sand blasting has its own set of problems and should not
be used on fiberglass boat bottoms.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Phone: 1 (954) 462-5869 Fax: 1 (954) 462-3923