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Re: Windlass/Genoa Furler electrical problem, circuit breaker bad?
Hi Tom,
i sourced them from SAV at Amel.fr Maud, in other words.... Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Hello,
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Happy to participate. My main question is how to order spare parts from Amel. Best Alexander SY Antinea SM #231
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Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿
Peter Tiner
Hi
Sounds li9ke a great idea. Yes, i´m interested in participating. Regards \Peter SY Maiken A54 #52
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Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Bill;
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Counts us in. The timing is fine for us. Topics 2,4,7. Fun to talk boats when so far away. Thanks for setting this up.
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
A54 #099
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Re: Excessive usage of water maker membranes
Right, Alan - an often misunderstood point. You can indeed use your watermaker in fresh water (or brackish) perfectly safely - but not at the full pressure you use for salt water. Just do not exceed the flow rate of the membrane - slowly bring up the pressure until you get full flow and stop.
Cheers, Craig
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Re: Windlass/Genoa Furler electrical problem, circuit breaker bad?
eric freedman
Hi Tom, I got mine from Maud. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 7:10 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Windlass/Genoa Furler electrical problem, circuit breaker bad?
Alan- would you be good enough to tell me where you got the Genoa furling solenoid spares ? Thx
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Re: Cleaning the prop
eric freedman
I usually use dilute hydrochloric acid on my prop. If comes out quite clean.
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Be careful not to inhale the fumes. Many spots need repeated acid washing until there is nothing left to remove. On some spots that are large , when the acid stops foaming it is time for new acid. I then use fine emery paper and my prop always comes out like new. I do this every 2 years when I haul to change the prop seals. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 11:33 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Cleaning the prop Alexander, Take the prop to a place that has a soda blaster. It'll cost a minimal amount and can be done while you wait. With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us -----Original Message----- From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alexander Schenk via groups.io Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 11:51 AM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Cleaning the prop Covid- project - getting replacement prop to shine again... Using grandmothers old recipe (toothpaste) and it takes its time... any better ideas around? Best Alexander SY Antinea SM #231
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Re: Excessive usage of water maker membranes
eric freedman
Hi Tom, Have you heard when they are lifting the quarantine on puerti Rico? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Peacock
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 12:13 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes
My only thought is like others, make certain that there is no chlorine. Obviously, there shouldn’t be if all you do is make RO water. Do you ever put water in the tank from the marina? We often have both RO and shore water, tough to tell how much chlorine, although you can buy test strips. I will sometimes flush with a couple of gallons of RO water drawn from the control panel tap, rather than flush with water from the tank.
Assuming the above is useless advice, you might try looking at https://www.genesysro.com/uploads/docs/STUDY%20OF%20THE-PHYSICAL-AND-CHEMICAL-DAMAGE-ON-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-MEMBRANES-DETECTED-BY-AUTOPSIES-NURIA.pdf
This details some of what can go wrong, including post-mortem pictures. Interestingly, there are several causes for physical damage to the membranes (as opposed to chemical) that might have some bearing on your issue.
Tom Peacock SM 240 Aletes, San Juan PR Waiting to fly back down to PR next month
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Re: Windlass/Genoa Furler electrical problem, circuit breaker bad?
Thomas Kleman
Alan- would you be good enough to tell me where you got the Genoa furling solenoid spares ? Thx
Tom and Kirstin SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422 3 days left of quarantine in Oahu
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We would like to ask you which Topics you prefer to be discussed during the ZOOM meeting and if you are OK with the Tentative Schedule. The following is the Tentative Schedule for the ZOOM meeting. By selecting GMT at 2000 hours, we can include members worldwide:
We plan a 30-minute ZOOM meeting with 15 minutes to discuss each of 2 Topics. We currently have 35 members that have expressed the wish to participate. I have a list of those members and will send an email to you today.
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Re: Excessive usage of water maker membranes
To be clear
Fresh water on its own will only kill membranes if the membranes are exposed to either high pressure fresh water or fresh water with chlorine in it. Unchlorinated low pressure water (which is what you use when flushing with your product water) won't kill your membranes on it's own. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: Excessive usage of water maker membranes
Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Mohammad,
Mine is a 100 duo – 240/24v.
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: 19 April 2020 22:12 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes
Paul;
Which water maker do you have? We have the 150 L/HR A/C only unit. I was told that the system can be run at high green pressure setting, 24x7x365 without any issues. We have not had any issues with our HP pump, so far.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown via groups.io
Mohammad,
It was at a time when the HP pump was on its way out. I ended up replacing it. I have since run with the pressure on the orange/green border and it has been fine and still made 100+ litres/hour.
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Paul;
Was there a specific issue that you were dealing with that led Martin to give you that advice?
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown via groups.io
Mohammad,
I was told by Martin to run the water maker with the pressure at the beginning of the green zone. It also says this in the manual.
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Hi;
When we first purchased Kokomo, I had detailed discussions with Martin, the head tech at Dessalator, about the environments that the water maker could be used and best practices. The following was my takeaway:
We have done the above for 5 seasons of about 5 months each. The pre-filters typically last a whole season. We never put any water in the tank other than from the water maker. The water quality is always below 250 PPM. When we purchased Kokomo, the water maker had only 60 hours on it. So, I’m fairly sure that our membranes are original from 2008 and therefore 12 years old. The water maker now has around 550 hours. I was told that after 500 hours, the quality will probably start to drop. Our usage has solely been in the Med.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Hi Colin,
Yes, I re-read that part and it is a little confusing how I wrote it. In marina, we do a fresh water flush aobut once a week. We do not run the water maker in that environment.
Thanks for the insight, I guess I need to be more fussy about where we run it. I thought the pre-filter would help a lot. I guess not.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of islandpearl2_sm2k332
Hi Mark
We had the 100L/Hr Duo on Island Pearl II and went around the work in three years with a new 2016 set of membranes. Those membranes were still perfect at the end of our trip doing a full 100L/Hr easily on the a/c current but slightly down to 75L/hr on the DC current motor.
We were absolutely fussy about the cleanliness of ocean water before running it and were sometimes scoffed at by others eg in Rodrigues (Indian Ocean) for lifting anchor, risking losing our good spot to go out to sea every four-five days to make water whilst other cruiser friends simply made water inside the large seawater harbour where we felt the water was not up to scratch. Also, we never took the boat out onto the hard for a season, even though we had planned to do this in the Caribbean in 2019.
If you are careful like this, which I suspect you are, then there must be something else at play with your system and I look forward to hearing about that from other more experienced cruisers here.
Also, since we have communicated often and I admire your equally careful approach to looking after Creampuff, I highly suspect that when you refer to "running your watermaker at least once per week in marina's", that you actually meant "doing a freshwater flush cycle" in the marina from your tank as per the manual requirements.... rather than actually making water from the extremely dirty marina seawater which would totally explain everything about your problems, but which I am equally sure you would never have done.
Colin Streeter Brisbane ex Island Pearl II
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-- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: Bow chain plate of Sharki
Diego de Miguel (Sailing Living Lab) Amel Sharki
Ciao Giorgio,
I had the same problam and decided to design and build a new one. I hope these pictures will be usaful for you. Saluti, Diego Sharki 52 - Acrobat II
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Re: Excessive usage of water maker membranes
Yes. I did not state in my previous post that I double filter 5 micron into the tank. I try and take all precautions but I too have high ppm after one year of new membranes. Faulty membranes maybe? A desalator dealer in Le Marin just said 500 ppm was fine and not to worry til I got to 1000! Goodness. I put dock water in today and it measures 150 ppm through the filters. Tasty. But I know that's not chlorine. Anyway probably new membranes in November and I'll cross my fingers. Good discussion. Chuck Joy 388
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Re: Excessive usage of water maker membranes
When you Do you have to take marina water make sure that you fill trip with the carbon filter to remove all the coring then it will not adversely affect your membranes
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Re: Excessive usage of water maker membranes
Mohammad Shirloo
Paul;
Which water maker do you have? We have the 150 L/HR A/C only unit. I was told that the system can be run at high green pressure setting, 24x7x365 without any issues. We have not had any issues with our HP pump, so far.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 10:09 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes
Mohammad,
It was at a time when the HP pump was on its way out. I ended up replacing it. I have since run with the pressure on the orange/green border and it has been fine and still made 100+ litres/hour.
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Paul;
Was there a specific issue that you were dealing with that led Martin to give you that advice?
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown via groups.io
Mohammad,
I was told by Martin to run the water maker with the pressure at the beginning of the green zone. It also says this in the manual.
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Hi;
When we first purchased Kokomo, I had detailed discussions with Martin, the head tech at Dessalator, about the environments that the water maker could be used and best practices. The following was my takeaway:
We have done the above for 5 seasons of about 5 months each. The pre-filters typically last a whole season. We never put any water in the tank other than from the water maker. The water quality is always below 250 PPM. When we purchased Kokomo, the water maker had only 60 hours on it. So, I’m fairly sure that our membranes are original from 2008 and therefore 12 years old. The water maker now has around 550 hours. I was told that after 500 hours, the quality will probably start to drop. Our usage has solely been in the Med.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Hi Colin,
Yes, I re-read that part and it is a little confusing how I wrote it. In marina, we do a fresh water flush aobut once a week. We do not run the water maker in that environment.
Thanks for the insight, I guess I need to be more fussy about where we run it. I thought the pre-filter would help a lot. I guess not.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io]
On Behalf Of islandpearl2_sm2k332
Hi Mark
We had the 100L/Hr Duo on Island Pearl II and went around the work in three years with a new 2016 set of membranes. Those membranes were still perfect at the end of our trip doing a full 100L/Hr easily on the a/c current but slightly down to 75L/hr on the DC current motor.
We were absolutely fussy about the cleanliness of ocean water before running it and were sometimes scoffed at by others eg in Rodrigues (Indian Ocean) for lifting anchor, risking losing our good spot to go out to sea every four-five days to make water whilst other cruiser friends simply made water inside the large seawater harbour where we felt the water was not up to scratch. Also, we never took the boat out onto the hard for a season, even though we had planned to do this in the Caribbean in 2019.
If you are careful like this, which I suspect you are, then there must be something else at play with your system and I look forward to hearing about that from other more experienced cruisers here.
Also, since we have communicated often and I admire your equally careful approach to looking after Creampuff, I highly suspect that when you refer to "running your watermaker at least once per week in marina's", that you actually meant "doing a freshwater flush cycle" in the marina from your tank as per the manual requirements.... rather than actually making water from the extremely dirty marina seawater which would totally explain everything about your problems, but which I am equally sure you would never have done.
Colin Streeter Brisbane ex Island Pearl II
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:10 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:
-- Colin Streeter 0411 016 445
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Re: Excessive usage of water maker membranes
There are times when you must take marina water and thus can only flush with marina water. I find it hard to believe that the makers of the membranes would not have considered this possibility in the boating world. Then again it might be pure science and I must make water in dirty marinas and harbors come what may. I have a good supply of pre filters. Chuck Joy 388 Le Marin, Martinique
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Re: Excessive usage of water maker membranes
Hans-Joerg Wildhagen
Hi Mark Never rinse the membranes with water from the Marina. Rinse only with your own water which you have produced yourself. Fresh water kills the membranes Cheers Hans SY Wasabi Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> schrieb am Sa., 18. Apr. 2020, 20:18:
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Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿
VLADIMIR SONSEV
I will participate. Vladimir SM 345 "Life is Good"
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amelforme
I would enjoy watching depending on when. Perhaps it could be recorded so all could watch the finished product ?
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JOEL F. POTTER CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY Office 954-462-5869
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