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Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi, I echo the call to be careful when dismissing the equipment Amel has installed.

while everyone has their own experiences of a variety of Amel systems and equipment it must always be remembered that few of us are perfect, I certainly am not and our poor experience could be operator error. I have had many of those myself over the years. The water-maker is an item that we pull apart and reassemble ourselves. There are multiple chances of error. eg the 0 rings used, the 0 ring installation, the tension on the through bolts, too tight too loose, uneven. poor installation of the pipe work. over tightened, under tightened wrong flushing technique, wrong chemicals used, chemicals use in the wrong way, in my experience any chemical is unnecessary. The list of possibilities is almost endless. Even installation of the membranes the wrong way round. When we got our SM in 2008 I was terrified of the water-maker.

I took advice from the wise heads on the forum and found it quite simple and am no longer frightened of it but still approach it with caution because there are many chances of error.. However many other people on other forums have created an almost mystical aura on the subject. 

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl



On 22 April 2020 at 10:58 hanspeter baettig <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Jean-Pierre
I think it‘s unfair to broadcast such negative things about Desal, . Amel is still installing Desal Watermakers and I had very good experiances with SAV Dessalator. Mr Wagner jun. and his team is helpful and have a amazing knowledge about H2O makers.
So pls. we know us , be specific what was your problem with SAV. Maybe I can help you, cause I have a very good contact with Wagner
best
en confinité à St. Martin
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM16

------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Montag, 20. Apr, 2020 um 20:55, Germain Jean-Pierre schrieb:

Hi Bill,

Thanks.  I also took the entire holder to the shop… to verify the interior measurements.  I suspect the new ones will be made to a closer tolerance.

Dessalator after sales service has been non existent. 

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 21 Apr 2020, at 06:51, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote:

FYI, Dessalator originally made the membrane tube end caps out of white nylon. Emek copied Dessalator. Dessalator's choice of Nylon proved to be the wrong choice. Dessalator later made end caps from a harder material which was black. I am not sure of what the black material is, but, in my experience is that there have been very few issues with the Dessalator black end caps.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

</jp.germain45@...>
 


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Porter McRoberts
 

Expensive. But I’ve had nothing but top notch support froM desalator as well. Weekends, evenings in France doesn’t matter. And fast delivery. 
Porter
A54-152


On Apr 21, 2020, at 6:59 PM, hanspeter baettig <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Jean-Pierre
I think it‘s unfair to broadcast such negative things about Desal, . Amel is still installing Desal Watermakers and I had very good experiances with SAV Dessalator. Mr Wagner jun. and his team is helpful and have a amazing knowledge about H2O makers.
So pls. we know us , be specific what was your problem with SAV. Maybe I can help you, cause I have a very good contact with Wagner
best
en confinité à St. Martin
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM16

------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Montag, 20. Apr, 2020 um 20:55, Germain Jean-Pierre schrieb:

Hi Bill,

Thanks.  I also took the entire holder to the shop… to verify the interior measurements.  I suspect the new ones will be made to a closer tolerance.

Dessalator after sales service has been non existent. 

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 21 Apr 2020, at 06:51, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

FYI, Dessalator originally made the membrane tube end caps out of white nylon. Emek copied Dessalator. Dessalator's choice of Nylon proved to be the wrong choice. Dessalator later made end caps from a harder material which was black. I am not sure of what the black material is, but, in my experience is that there have been very few issues with the Dessalator black end caps.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Mohammad Shirloo
 

I would highly recommend Martin Dee Jon of Dessalator. He can be reached at +34-637-890-333 or +33-607-346-511. We have always found him to be responsive and knowledgeable in the past 5 years.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ian Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 4:39 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Membrane Tube end caps

 

I have tried to use the Florida Dessalator service company called Multi-Tech. For those of us in North America, I would not recommend them at all. Did not return several calls or emails. Finally, I went to their location at Lauderdale Marine Center. I talked to a staff member and never got any follow-up or return call. Waste of time. 



Ian & Margaret

S/V Loca Lola II 

SM153

Bahamas


On Apr 21, 2020, at 6:58 PM, hanspeter baettig <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Jean-Pierre
I think it‘s unfair to broadcast such negative things about Desal, . Amel is still installing Desal Watermakers and I had very good experiances with SAV Dessalator. Mr Wagner jun. and his team is helpful and have a amazing knowledge about H2O makers.
So pls. we know us , be specific what was your problem with SAV. Maybe I can help you, cause I have a very good contact with Wagner
best
en confinité à St. Martin
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM16

------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Montag, 20. Apr, 2020 um 20:55, Germain Jean-Pierre schrieb:

Hi Bill,

 

Thanks.  I also took the entire holder to the shop… to verify the interior measurements.  I suspect the new ones will be made to a closer tolerance.

 

Dessalator after sales service has been non existent. 

 

Cheers,

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain

 

 

 

On 21 Apr 2020, at 06:51, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

 

FYI, Dessalator originally made the membrane tube end caps out of white nylon. Emek copied Dessalator. Dessalator's choice of Nylon proved to be the wrong choice. Dessalator later made end caps from a harder material which was black. I am not sure of what the black material is, but, in my experience is that there have been very few issues with the Dessalator black end caps.
--

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School

720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Ian Townsend
 

I have tried to use the Florida Dessalator service company called Multi-Tech. For those of us in North America, I would not recommend them at all. Did not return several calls or emails. Finally, I went to their location at Lauderdale Marine Center. I talked to a staff member and never got any follow-up or return call. Waste of time. 


Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Bahamas

On Apr 21, 2020, at 6:58 PM, hanspeter baettig <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Jean-Pierre
I think it‘s unfair to broadcast such negative things about Desal, . Amel is still installing Desal Watermakers and I had very good experiances with SAV Dessalator. Mr Wagner jun. and his team is helpful and have a amazing knowledge about H2O makers.
So pls. we know us , be specific what was your problem with SAV. Maybe I can help you, cause I have a very good contact with Wagner
best
en confinité à St. Martin
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM16

------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Montag, 20. Apr, 2020 um 20:55, Germain Jean-Pierre schrieb:

Hi Bill,

Thanks.  I also took the entire holder to the shop… to verify the interior measurements.  I suspect the new ones will be made to a closer tolerance.

Dessalator after sales service has been non existent. 

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 21 Apr 2020, at 06:51, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

FYI, Dessalator originally made the membrane tube end caps out of white nylon. Emek copied Dessalator. Dessalator's choice of Nylon proved to be the wrong choice. Dessalator later made end caps from a harder material which was black. I am not sure of what the black material is, but, in my experience is that there have been very few issues with the Dessalator black end caps.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

John Clark
 

Han, I had end caps made out of delrin in St Martin.  The machine shop is E&Msc.  It is behind Lagoonies.  The machinist made a few changes to beef them up.  I have run them now for two years with no issues.  

John Clark
SV Annie. SM 37
St Thomas USVI

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 6:59 PM hanspeter baettig <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:
Jean-Pierre
I think it‘s unfair to broadcast such negative things about Desal, . Amel is still installing Desal Watermakers and I had very good experiances with SAV Dessalator. Mr Wagner jun. and his team is helpful and have a amazing knowledge about H2O makers.
So pls. we know us , be specific what was your problem with SAV. Maybe I can help you, cause I have a very good contact with Wagner
best
en confinité à St. Martin
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM16

------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Montag, 20. Apr, 2020 um 20:55, Germain Jean-Pierre schrieb:

Hi Bill,

Thanks.  I also took the entire holder to the shop… to verify the interior measurements.  I suspect the new ones will be made to a closer tolerance.

Dessalator after sales service has been non existent. 

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 21 Apr 2020, at 06:51, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

FYI, Dessalator originally made the membrane tube end caps out of white nylon. Emek copied Dessalator. Dessalator's choice of Nylon proved to be the wrong choice. Dessalator later made end caps from a harder material which was black. I am not sure of what the black material is, but, in my experience is that there have been very few issues with the Dessalator black end caps.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

hanspeter baettig
 

Jean-Pierre
I think it‘s unfair to broadcast such negative things about Desal, . Amel is still installing Desal Watermakers and I had very good experiances with SAV Dessalator. Mr Wagner jun. and his team is helpful and have a amazing knowledge about H2O makers.
So pls. we know us , be specific what was your problem with SAV. Maybe I can help you, cause I have a very good contact with Wagner
best
en confinité à St. Martin
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM16

------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Montag, 20. Apr, 2020 um 20:55, Germain Jean-Pierre schrieb:

Hi Bill,

Thanks.  I also took the entire holder to the shop… to verify the interior measurements.  I suspect the new ones will be made to a closer tolerance.

Dessalator after sales service has been non existent. 

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 21 Apr 2020, at 06:51, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

FYI, Dessalator originally made the membrane tube end caps out of white nylon. Emek copied Dessalator. Dessalator's choice of Nylon proved to be the wrong choice. Dessalator later made end caps from a harder material which was black. I am not sure of what the black material is, but, in my experience is that there have been very few issues with the Dessalator black end caps.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: ZOOM Meeting of Members #ZOOM #poll

 

Keith,

done, sent you a private email
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: ZOOM Meeting of Members #ZOOM #poll

Keith Tice
 

Hi Bill,
Please add me to the list, to Listen and to Watch.  
Thanks, Keith, SY Bikini, SM 282


Re: ZOOM Meeting of Members #ZOOM #poll

 

Will do. You will receive a direct email. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 3:31 PM Laurie McCall <laurie.mcreid@...> wrote:
Hi Bill 
Please add my husband and me at Laurie.mcreid@...

Future SM owners

Laurie & John
Ottawa, Ontario 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:39 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

A poll has been updated:

We would like to ask you which Topics you prefer to be discussed during the ZOOM meeting and if you are OK with the Tentative Schedule.

The following is the Tentative Schedule for the ZOOM meeting. By selecting GMT at 2000 hours, we can include members worldwide:

Country GMT +/- Scheduled Time Scheduled Date
(GMT) 0 2000 4/25/2020
UK Summer Time 100 2100 4/25/2020
NZ 1200 800 4/26/2020
AU Queensland 1000 600 4/26/2020
Tahiti -1000 1000 4/25/2020
USA West -700 1300 4/25/2020
USA East -400 1600 4/25/2020
USA Central -600 1400 4/25/2020
Martinique -400 1600 4/25/2020
Germany 200 2200 4/25/2020
Central EU Summer Time 200 2200 4/25/2020
Note: The above was checked with: https://greenwichmeantime.com/time-gadgets/time-zone-converter/
You can select multiple answers.

We plan a 30-minute ZOOM meeting with 15 minutes to discuss each of 2 Topics. We currently have 35 members that have expressed the wish to participate. I have a list of those members and will send an email to you today.

1. I am OK with the Tentative Schedule
2. Sourcing parts
3. SM & SN furler maintenance (Genoa & Main)
4. Hard Dodger plexiglass replacement
5. Galley Upgrades
6. Standing Rigging
7. Navigation Equipment Upgrades from B&G Hydra and B&G 3000

Vote Now

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Re: ZOOM Meeting of Members #ZOOM #poll

Laurie McCall
 

Hi Bill 
Please add my husband and me at Laurie.mcreid@...

Future SM owners

Laurie & John
Ottawa, Ontario 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:39 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

A poll has been updated:

We would like to ask you which Topics you prefer to be discussed during the ZOOM meeting and if you are OK with the Tentative Schedule.

The following is the Tentative Schedule for the ZOOM meeting. By selecting GMT at 2000 hours, we can include members worldwide:

Country GMT +/- Scheduled Time Scheduled Date
(GMT) 0 2000 4/25/2020
UK Summer Time 100 2100 4/25/2020
NZ 1200 800 4/26/2020
AU Queensland 1000 600 4/26/2020
Tahiti -1000 1000 4/25/2020
USA West -700 1300 4/25/2020
USA East -400 1600 4/25/2020
USA Central -600 1400 4/25/2020
Martinique -400 1600 4/25/2020
Germany 200 2200 4/25/2020
Central EU Summer Time 200 2200 4/25/2020
Note: The above was checked with: https://greenwichmeantime.com/time-gadgets/time-zone-converter/
You can select multiple answers.

We plan a 30-minute ZOOM meeting with 15 minutes to discuss each of 2 Topics. We currently have 35 members that have expressed the wish to participate. I have a list of those members and will send an email to you today.

1. I am OK with the Tentative Schedule
2. Sourcing parts
3. SM & SN furler maintenance (Genoa & Main)
4. Hard Dodger plexiglass replacement
5. Galley Upgrades
6. Standing Rigging
7. Navigation Equipment Upgrades from B&G Hydra and B&G 3000

Vote Now

Do not reply to this message to vote in the poll. You can vote in polls only through the group's website.


Re: ZOOM Meeting of Members #ZOOM #poll

 

Paul, I sent a private email to you
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: ZOOM Meeting of Members #ZOOM #poll

Paul Osterberg
 

I would be interested to participate
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Switch on Bilge Float Tube

heinz@quetzal.berlin
 

Hallo

I am interested in your system with the

IDN Optical Bilge Sensors and the Control Board on the ACROBAT II can you tell me where I can buy them?

Fair winds

Heinz, SY Quetzal, SM 2000, 292 Whangarei New Zealand, Still in Lockdown

 

Von: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Ian Townsend
Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. April 2020 23:18
An: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Switch on Bilge Float Tube

 

Gracias Diego. I think this must be an old high water alarm and will be removing it. If I find it is something different then I will post on the forum. 

 

I installed a separate system next to the AC pump last year (per Bill Rouse's photo). 



Ian

Loca Lola II 

SM153

Fort Lauderdale, FL


On Apr 21, 2020, at 4:44 AM, Diego de Miguel (Sailing Living Lab) Amel Sharki <diegodemiguelmurillo@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Hello Ian,

I also had problems with that system in my Sharki.
At present I am testing a new tech from one of my tech partners. It is an optical based on diodes.
I have installed 2 optical sensors into the bilge. One is for activeting the pump Instaled in the lower part of the bilge) and the other one is for the alarm (instaled at half part of the bilge)
You can see the system in this video. I speak in spanish. promise to add english subtitles soon :-)
If you are interested I can send  you technical and commercial information.


All the best

Diego de Miguel
Sailing Living Lab

ACROBAT II, Sharki 52


Re: ZOOM Meeting of Members #ZOOM #poll

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, Diane just signed me up with zoom, would not mine trying it out,but it sounds as though its getting a little crowded , add me only if there is room,otherwise I will gladly wait til the next go at it.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 11:52 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] ZOOM Meeting of Members #zoom

M,

Thanks. I only hope that it isn't a fiasco. We have between 60 & 70 signed up....GULP!
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 10:45 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
Nice work Bill. Very organized and thorough.

Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
A54 #099


Re: ZOOM Meeting of Members #ZOOM #poll

 

M,

Thanks. I only hope that it isn't a fiasco. We have between 60 & 70 signed up....GULP!
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 10:45 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
Nice work Bill. Very organized and thorough.

Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
A54 #099


Re: ZOOM Meeting of Members #ZOOM #poll

 

Thomas,

I sent you a private message
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 10:42 AM Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:
Hi Bill,

Please put me on the list for participate.

Thanks,
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes

On Apr 21, 2020, at 11:39 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

A poll has been updated:


We would like to ask you which Topics you prefer to be discussed during the ZOOM meeting and if you are OK with the Tentative Schedule.

The following is the Tentative Schedule for the ZOOM meeting. By selecting GMT at 2000 hours, we can include members worldwide:

Country GMT +/- Scheduled Time Scheduled Date
(GMT) 0 2000 4/25/2020
UK Summer Time 100 2100 4/25/2020
NZ 1200 800 4/26/2020
AU Queensland 1000 600 4/26/2020
Tahiti -1000 1000 4/25/2020
USA West -700 1300 4/25/2020
USA East -400 1600 4/25/2020
USA Central -600 1400 4/25/2020
Martinique -400 1600 4/25/2020
Germany 200 2200 4/25/2020
Central EU Summer Time 200 2200 4/25/2020
Note: The above was checked with: https://greenwichmeantime.com/time-gadgets/time-zone-converter/
You can select multiple answers.

We plan a 30-minute ZOOM meeting with 15 minutes to discuss each of 2 Topics. We currently have 35 members that have expressed the wish to participate. I have a list of those members and will send an email to you today.

1. I am OK with the Tentative Schedule
2. Sourcing parts
3. SM & SN furler maintenance (Genoa & Main)
4. Hard Dodger plexiglass replacement
5. Galley Upgrades
6. Standing Rigging
7. Navigation Equipment Upgrades from B&G Hydra and B&G 3000

Vote Now

Do not reply to this message to vote in the poll. You can vote in polls only through the group's website.



Re: ZOOM Meeting of Members #ZOOM #poll

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Nice work Bill. Very organized and thorough.

Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
A54 #099


Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

 

Thomas,
I sent you a private email.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: ZOOM Meeting of Members #ZOOM #poll

Thomas Peacock
 

Hi Bill,

Please put me on the list for participate.

Thanks,
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes

On Apr 21, 2020, at 11:39 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

A poll has been updated:


We would like to ask you which Topics you prefer to be discussed during the ZOOM meeting and if you are OK with the Tentative Schedule.

The following is the Tentative Schedule for the ZOOM meeting. By selecting GMT at 2000 hours, we can include members worldwide:

Country GMT +/- Scheduled Time Scheduled Date
(GMT) 0 2000 4/25/2020
UK Summer Time 100 2100 4/25/2020
NZ 1200 800 4/26/2020
AU Queensland 1000 600 4/26/2020
Tahiti -1000 1000 4/25/2020
USA West -700 1300 4/25/2020
USA East -400 1600 4/25/2020
USA Central -600 1400 4/25/2020
Martinique -400 1600 4/25/2020
Germany 200 2200 4/25/2020
Central EU Summer Time 200 2200 4/25/2020
Note: The above was checked with: https://greenwichmeantime.com/time-gadgets/time-zone-converter/
You can select multiple answers.

We plan a 30-minute ZOOM meeting with 15 minutes to discuss each of 2 Topics. We currently have 35 members that have expressed the wish to participate. I have a list of those members and will send an email to you today.

1. I am OK with the Tentative Schedule
2. Sourcing parts
3. SM & SN furler maintenance (Genoa & Main)
4. Hard Dodger plexiglass replacement
5. Galley Upgrades
6. Standing Rigging
7. Navigation Equipment Upgrades from B&G Hydra and B&G 3000

Vote Now

Do not reply to this message to vote in the poll. You can vote in polls only through the group's website.



Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

Thomas
 

Bill,

I'm interessted to join.

SM Topics:

- furler maintenance (genoa, main and mizzen)
- flexible solar installation on bimini

 

Thomas

SM2K #475

 

 

 

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