Date   

Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz

Barry Connor
 

Thank's Teun,

My Aussie friends in St Martin are very grateful for your research and the good result you got.
Have read a just posted good article on Noonsite about getting insurance, seems to be a hot topic now that so many boats are stuck in areas they don't want to be in.
I am lucky that my wife is British and our boat is still UK registered, our insurance with Pantaenius UK is excellent though a bit pricey.  I am sure your research will benefit many Amel owners.

Best

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54  #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 4:45:06 PM EDT, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:


Hi Teun, there certainly seems to be a widespread reluctance to insure off shore yachts. Who is the company that gave you your cover and the broker that arranged it.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 13 May 2020 at 04:22 Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:

Hi Barry,

 

Have now received my policy for AMELIT on  very acceptable conditions & agreed value.

 

FWIW: I also received a quote from the last agency recommended via this AYOG forum and he also came with the same insurance company. All 3 agents advised me that the carrier didn’t want to increase the agreed hull/machinery/equipment (HMEV) value except my current agent was able to have the HMEV increased to a level I preferred.

Very worrying that out of 8 agencies only 4 were able to offer me a cover at all and ALL 4 agents proposals came from the same European Insurance company

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

In storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

May 12, 2020 09:16:11

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 09:53
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Washing Machine and 50 htz

 

Hi Barry,

 

Sorry for late reply.

 

As soon as I have a copy of the policy I will send you the requested information.

However, so far nothing. This is the latest feedback I have from the agent:

 

QUOTE

 

I called GYC several times yesterday but the office was not open because of the 8th of May day.

Trust I will receive the policy today.

So sorry, I know you need  the certificate for the marina.

Will revert shortly.

 

 

UNQUOTE

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

May 9, 2020 09:52:33

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barry Connor via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:20
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Washing Machine and 50 htz

 

Hi Teun and Mohammad,

Teun, I have an Australian friend who is having trouble getting insurance. Can you give me the broker that you went with, maybe the NZ broker as well. They just lost cover that they took out 2 months ago through a Caribbean crook. If anyone wants to know who the company was, please ask.

 

Mohammad, when the lock down is eased I am visiting Oliver who is anchored in front of me. I will be doing the same as your plan and designing the new lithium battery system. I will let you know what I find out as I progress. Things are getting better and easier every year.

Can you imagine what this lockdown is doing to people. In nearly 40 years Penny and I have never gone for a month without shopping or spending any money.

 

Best

 

Barry and Penny

“SV Lady Penelope II”

Amel 54.  #17

Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 

 

 

On May 5, 2020, at 16:08, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

Hi Teun;

 

Can you please forward your Victron Contact if you think they would be helpful in design and selection.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2020 12:47 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Washing Machine and 50 htz

 

Teun,

You're using the VEConfig software to adjust the inverter low voltage cutoff? I have successfully changed that on the Inverter tab "DC input low shut-down". Then you have to "Send Settings" to the Quattro otherwise it won't save them.

If you are still having problems, I have a contact with Victron that is quite responsive. Maybe Dutch people don't like other Dutch people? ;) We've had over 30 emails back and forth. FYI he suggested 20v as the input low voltage cutoff and 21.5v as the input low restart.

Additionally, try here. This may be even better. They're almost as helpful as the AYOG :)

https://community.victronenergy.com/index.html
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

 



 


 


sonic speed on SM 2000

Marco Mancini
 

 On our SM the sonic speed,  the one with the two sensors,  that is connected to Hydra 200 is giving zero speed on the hydra 2000 monitor.
This was probably due to the loss of the neoprene cap of the aft  sensor . Unfortunately this probe is out of production from long time.

Please Did  you hknow how to  repair it ?  Do you know how replace the cable and the aft sensor?
thanks
marco
Italy SM304


Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Teun, there certainly seems to be a widespread reluctance to insure off shore yachts. Who is the company that gave you your cover and the broker that arranged it.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 13 May 2020 at 04:22 Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:

Hi Barry,

 

Have now received my policy for AMELIT on  very acceptable conditions & agreed value.

 

FWIW: I also received a quote from the last agency recommended via this AYOG forum and he also came with the same insurance company. All 3 agents advised me that the carrier didn’t want to increase the agreed hull/machinery/equipment (HMEV) value except my current agent was able to have the HMEV increased to a level I preferred.

Very worrying that out of 8 agencies only 4 were able to offer me a cover at all and ALL 4 agents proposals came from the same European Insurance company

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

In storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

May 12, 2020 09:16:11

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 09:53
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Washing Machine and 50 htz

 

Hi Barry,

 

Sorry for late reply.

 

As soon as I have a copy of the policy I will send you the requested information.

However, so far nothing. This is the latest feedback I have from the agent:

 

QUOTE

 

I called GYC several times yesterday but the office was not open because of the 8th of May day.

Trust I will receive the policy today.

So sorry, I know you need  the certificate for the marina.

Will revert shortly.

 

 

UNQUOTE

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

May 9, 2020 09:52:33

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barry Connor via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:20
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Washing Machine and 50 htz

 

Hi Teun and Mohammad,

Teun, I have an Australian friend who is having trouble getting insurance. Can you give me the broker that you went with, maybe the NZ broker as well. They just lost cover that they took out 2 months ago through a Caribbean crook. If anyone wants to know who the company was, please ask.

 

Mohammad, when the lock down is eased I am visiting Oliver who is anchored in front of me. I will be doing the same as your plan and designing the new lithium battery system. I will let you know what I find out as I progress. Things are getting better and easier every year.

Can you imagine what this lockdown is doing to people. In nearly 40 years Penny and I have never gone for a month without shopping or spending any money.

 

Best

 

Barry and Penny

“SV Lady Penelope II”

Amel 54.  #17

Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 

 

 

On May 5, 2020, at 16:08, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

Hi Teun;

 

Can you please forward your Victron Contact if you think they would be helpful in design and selection.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2020 12:47 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Washing Machine and 50 htz

 

Teun,

You're using the VEConfig software to adjust the inverter low voltage cutoff? I have successfully changed that on the Inverter tab "DC input low shut-down". Then you have to "Send Settings" to the Quattro otherwise it won't save them.

If you are still having problems, I have a contact with Victron that is quite responsive. Maybe Dutch people don't like other Dutch people? ;) We've had over 30 emails back and forth. FYI he suggested 20v as the input low voltage cutoff and 21.5v as the input low restart.

Additionally, try here. This may be even better. They're almost as helpful as the AYOG :)

https://community.victronenergy.com/index.html
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

 



 


 


Re: RE : [Special] [AmelYachtOwners] ZOOM Meeting - Presentation of the Amel 50 from La Rochelle #IMPORTANT #ZOOM

 

Jose,

Thanks! Your attendance is very much appreciated. Please confirm here: An RSVP is requested. Click here to RSVP


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:22 AM ESTELLER <jose.esteller@...> wrote:

Hi Bill

Thank you and congratulations for this initiative.

I plan to participate in the meeting, although I know the 50 for having visited it at CANNES. In addition I have as a pontoon neighbor an AMEL 50, unfortunately confined because its owner lives more than 100 KM from the marina

 

Best regards

 

José Esteller

Expert à la Cour d’Appel de Montpellier (Honoraire)

Expert près la Cour Administrative d’Appel de Marseille

Professeur à l’ICH Montpelier

 

De : CW Bill Rouse
Envoyé le :lundi 11 mai 2020 16:09
À : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Objet :[Special] [AmelYachtOwners] ZOOM Meeting - Presentation of the Amel 50 from La Rochelle #IMPORTANT #ZOOM

 

Re: Confirmation of Amel 50 ZOOM Meeting: Saturday, May 16th at 20:00 UTC.

This Saturday at 2000 hours GMT, we will have a presentation of a new Amel 50. Group members Matt & Cindy Salatino will present their brand new Amel 50 #27 "Speed of Life" from the Amel pontoon in La Rochelle. Matt and Cindy will give us a virtual tour during this presentation and answer your questions at the end of the presentation. Tilo Peters will administer the ZOOM meeting and I suspect that things will run smoothly and be enjoyed by all attending. Tilo may record this on YouTube and also may do a YouTube simulcast, but your best experience will be with ZOOM. Tilo will update you on what he will do with YouTube.

 

   Direct link to Join the 16 May at 20:00 UTC - ZOOM Meeting https://epfl.zoom.us/j/98523568530

   Meeting ID: 985 2356 8530

   Join by SIP 98523568530@...

 

If you missed our first ZOOM meeting, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/7Mm1bbL-PaA. The first meeting was a test to understand the process. We did not have an expert guest speaker but we plan to have an expert guest speaker for most future meetings. I am currently working to line up experts for:
   Standing Rigging
   Sails 
   Refrigeration
   And more

Times for participation around the world.

 

 

 

 

Country

GMT +/-

Scheduled Time

Scheduled Date

(GMT)

0

2000

5/16/2020

UK Summer Time

100

2100

5/16/2020

NZ

1200

800

5/17/2020

AU Queensland

1000

600

5/17/2020

Tahiti

-1000

1000

5/16/2020

USA West DST

-700

1300

5/16/2020

USA East DST

-400

1600

5/16/2020

USA Central DST

-500

1500

5/16/2020

Martinique

-400

1600

5/16/2020

Germany

200

2200

5/16/2020

Central EU Summer Time

200

2200

5/16/2020

Note: The above was checked with: https://greenwichmeantime.com/time-gadgets/time-zone-converter/

 

Best,

Bill

 

 

--

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

 

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

 

View My Training Calendar

 


Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz

Teun BAAS
 

Hi Barry,

 

Have now received my policy for AMELIT on  very acceptable conditions & agreed value.

 

FWIW: I also received a quote from the last agency recommended via this AYOG forum and he also came with the same insurance company. All 3 agents advised me that the carrier didn’t want to increase the agreed hull/machinery/equipment (HMEV) value except my current agent was able to have the HMEV increased to a level I preferred.

Very worrying that out of 8 agencies only 4 were able to offer me a cover at all and ALL 4 agents proposals came from the same European Insurance company

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

In storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

May 12, 2020 09:16:11

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 09:53
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Washing Machine and 50 htz

 

Hi Barry,

 

Sorry for late reply.

 

As soon as I have a copy of the policy I will send you the requested information.

However, so far nothing. This is the latest feedback I have from the agent:

 

QUOTE

 

I called GYC several times yesterday but the office was not open because of the 8th of May day.

Trust I will receive the policy today.

So sorry, I know you need  the certificate for the marina.

Will revert shortly.

 

 

UNQUOTE

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

May 9, 2020 09:52:33

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barry Connor via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:20
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Washing Machine and 50 htz

 

Hi Teun and Mohammad,

Teun, I have an Australian friend who is having trouble getting insurance. Can you give me the broker that you went with, maybe the NZ broker as well. They just lost cover that they took out 2 months ago through a Caribbean crook. If anyone wants to know who the company was, please ask.

 

Mohammad, when the lock down is eased I am visiting Oliver who is anchored in front of me. I will be doing the same as your plan and designing the new lithium battery system. I will let you know what I find out as I progress. Things are getting better and easier every year.

Can you imagine what this lockdown is doing to people. In nearly 40 years Penny and I have never gone for a month without shopping or spending any money.

 

Best

 

Barry and Penny

“SV Lady Penelope II”

Amel 54.  #17

Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 

 

 

On May 5, 2020, at 16:08, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:



Hi Teun;

 

Can you please forward your Victron Contact if you think they would be helpful in design and selection.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2020 12:47 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Washing Machine and 50 htz

 

Teun,

You're using the VEConfig software to adjust the inverter low voltage cutoff? I have successfully changed that on the Inverter tab "DC input low shut-down". Then you have to "Send Settings" to the Quattro otherwise it won't save them.

If you are still having problems, I have a contact with Victron that is quite responsive. Maybe Dutch people don't like other Dutch people? ;) We've had over 30 emails back and forth. FYI he suggested 20v as the input low voltage cutoff and 21.5v as the input low restart.

Additionally, try here. This may be even better. They're almost as helpful as the AYOG :)

https://community.victronenergy.com/index.html
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Lubricant Oil for the z drive

eric freedman
 

HI,

I believe it is 80-90 weight gear oil.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of PAOLO CUNEO
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:32 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Lubricant Oil for the z drive

 

hi all,
locked down home and out of reach of the boat, currently on the dry, and of my owner’s manual, I must instruct a technician about the change of oil of the Amel Z drive. Can anybody remind me the grade or type of oil and quantity?
Many thanks in advance
Paolo  Cuneo
SM 454 Whisper
Genoa, Italy


Re: Lubricant Oil for the z drive

 

Paolo,

About 4-5 years ago Amel revised the type of oil for the Amel C-Drive to 80/90 Gear Oil
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:31 AM PAOLO CUNEO <pc43ge@...> wrote:
hi all,
locked down home and out of reach of the boat, currently on the dry, and of my owner’s manual, I must instruct a technician about the change of oil of the Amel Z drive. Can anybody remind me the grade or type of oil and quantity?
Many thanks in advance
Paolo  Cuneo
SM 454 Whisper
Genoa, Italy


Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF Maybe Gary Silver will respond

Gary Silver
 

Hi Bill & All: 

Mark at Borel returned my phone call yesterday afternoon.  I told him of my long favorable use of his product aboard my boat and the renewed interest in the pump run-on alarm.  

He has retired and no longer manufactures his products.  I told him there might be an expanded market for the product due to publication of its utility.  He indicated he would not restart production.  I further inquired if he would be willing to sell the production rights etc. and he expressed no interest in doing so.  

Darn it,  I guess we will have to look elsewhere for a 28 VDC pump run-on alarm.

Gary Silver 
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Farmington, UT


Re: Replacement of carpets in SM

Gary Wells
 

Alexander, I am of no help in France but we made our own replacements without too much trouble.

We made a template.from large wrapping paper then bought a "remnant" piece from a big-box store. 

Cutting it with a box cutter was not too hard, just have to be careful.

Once we had the pieces cut out we took them to a real "Carpeting and Flooring" store and asked them to "Bind" the edges which they did nicely in only a couple of days.

We learned that the "Binding" process adds a small amount of extra material to the edges so our pieces were just a tiny bit too big but still fit ok. 

I think we will do it again this summer as the first attempt was mostly an experiment anyway.  It was not very expensive overall. 

Best wishes!

Gary W
SM 209, Adagio
Georgia, USA


Lubricant Oil for the z drive

PAOLO CUNEO
 

hi all,
locked down home and out of reach of the boat, currently on the dry, and of my owner’s manual, I must instruct a technician about the change of oil of the Amel Z drive. Can anybody remind me the grade or type of oil and quantity?
Many thanks in advance
Paolo  Cuneo
SM 454 Whisper
Genoa, Italy


RE : [Special] [AmelYachtOwners] ZOOM Meeting - Presentation of the Amel 50 from La Rochelle #IMPORTANT #ZOOM

ESTELLER
 

Hi Bill

Thank you and congratulations for this initiative.

I plan to participate in the meeting, although I know the 50 for having visited it at CANNES. In addition I have as a pontoon neighbor an AMEL 50, unfortunately confined because its owner lives more than 100 KM from the marina

 

Best regards

 

José Esteller

Expert à la Cour d’Appel de Montpellier (Honoraire)

Expert près la Cour Administrative d’Appel de Marseille

Professeur à l’ICH Montpelier

 

De : CW Bill Rouse
Envoyé le :lundi 11 mai 2020 16:09
À : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Objet :[Special] [AmelYachtOwners] ZOOM Meeting - Presentation of the Amel 50 from La Rochelle #IMPORTANT #ZOOM

 

Re: Confirmation of Amel 50 ZOOM Meeting: Saturday, May 16th at 20:00 UTC.

This Saturday at 2000 hours GMT, we will have a presentation of a new Amel 50. Group members Matt & Cindy Salatino will present their brand new Amel 50 #27 "Speed of Life" from the Amel pontoon in La Rochelle. Matt and Cindy will give us a virtual tour during this presentation and answer your questions at the end of the presentation. Tilo Peters will administer the ZOOM meeting and I suspect that things will run smoothly and be enjoyed by all attending. Tilo may record this on YouTube and also may do a YouTube simulcast, but your best experience will be with ZOOM. Tilo will update you on what he will do with YouTube.

 

   Direct link to Join the 16 May at 20:00 UTC - ZOOM Meeting https://epfl.zoom.us/j/98523568530

   Meeting ID: 985 2356 8530

   Join by SIP 98523568530@...

 

If you missed our first ZOOM meeting, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/7Mm1bbL-PaA. The first meeting was a test to understand the process. We did not have an expert guest speaker but we plan to have an expert guest speaker for most future meetings. I am currently working to line up experts for:
   Standing Rigging
   Sails 
   Refrigeration
   And more

Times for participation around the world.

 

 

 

 

Country

GMT +/-

Scheduled Time

Scheduled Date

(GMT)

0

2000

5/16/2020

UK Summer Time

100

2100

5/16/2020

NZ

1200

800

5/17/2020

AU Queensland

1000

600

5/17/2020

Tahiti

-1000

1000

5/16/2020

USA West DST

-700

1300

5/16/2020

USA East DST

-400

1600

5/16/2020

USA Central DST

-500

1500

5/16/2020

Martinique

-400

1600

5/16/2020

Germany

200

2200

5/16/2020

Central EU Summer Time

200

2200

5/16/2020

Note: The above was checked with: https://greenwichmeantime.com/time-gadgets/time-zone-converter/

 

Best,

Bill

 

 

--

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

 

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

 

View My Training Calendar

 


Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF

greg greg
 

there are no simple solutions. the leakage can appear anywhere in the system. the discharge can be fast or slow, it can be regular or occur in specific condition (of temperature for example).
the timer is not the solution as it can cut the water when you are just second or third taking shower.
the only way is to implement AI to distinguish leakage loss from normal water consumption.
kind of analysis of presence of crew, times of running for FW and bilge pumps etc.

the only reasonable way is to switch it off when needn't and, when on,  watch FW and bilge pumps indicators as you must do for all other things as a responsible sailor under COLREG-72.


Replacement of carpets in SM

Alexander Schenk
 

Hello,

We are looking at replacing our carpets (al cleaning efforts did not pay out) and would like to know if anybody has any good tips on this. Preferably a supplier in Northern France, as our boat is currently located in Roscoff, Britany.

Best
Alexander Schenk
SM #231 - Antinea
,_


Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF

Nicolas Klene
 

Hello Steve
I like your safety minded approach ! I am not electronically   inclined In any way unfortunately ,but I would like to follow your progress and participate if I can .
Nick
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF Maybe Gary Silver will respond

Arno Luijten
 

I've had this Square D switch with safety feature for some time now. The added safety is good but if a hose starts leaking it will do nothing to prevent pumping your fresh water tank empty unless the leak is massive and close to the pump. The main objective of the safety is to prevent the pump from running when the tank is empty.

Our pump never runs continuously when using the taps or the showers. Only for the toilets the demand exceeds the pump-supply capacity. In all other cases the pump supplies more water then requested, causing the pressure vessel to fill up. At some point the pressure exceeds the shut off pressure (even when the tap is still running) and the pumps stops for a short while until the pressure vessel has lost enough pressure to re-activate the pump. In other words in many cases the pressure drop will not be enough to activate the safety feature on the Sqare D switch.
So when, let's say the shower tape starts leaking it will happily empty out the watertank even with the Square D safety feature.

The most simple way to secure the system is obviously switching off the pump when you leave. A timer may work but with a big leak you can pump quite a lot of water out of the system in an hour so the question becomes at what duration the time should be set.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF Maybe Gary Silver will respond

Robert Giroux
 

Pardon me if this is a stupid question but how does the pressure switch know the difference between a leak and an open running faucet?

 

 

Regards,

Robert Giroux

Future Amel Owner

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Clanton
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF Maybe Gary Silver will respond

 

The 55 has the same Square D pressure switch.  If the pressure drops below a certain level, one must manually engage, and hold, the pressure switch (by way of a small lever on the lower, right side of the Square D unit) until a minimum pressure is achieved.  This is typically only a few seconds.

 

I always turn the pressure pump breaker off when I leave, but never considered do so at night.  It makes sense.

 

 

John Clanton

S/V Devereux

Antibes, France


Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF Maybe Gary Silver will respond

John Clanton <jclanton@...>
 

The 55 has the same Square D pressure switch.  If the pressure drops below a certain level, one must manually engage, and hold, the pressure switch (by way of a small lever on the lower, right side of the Square D unit) until a minimum pressure is achieved.  This is typically only a few seconds.

 

I always turn the pressure pump breaker off when I leave, but never considered do so at night.  It makes sense.

 

 

John Clanton

S/V Devereux

Antibes, France


Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF

Thomas Kleman
 

We went with the SOP solution; keep the breaker off. Additionally, the fresh water pump LED goes green when the breaker is pushed in vs when the pump is active.....it helps me remember to turn it off.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
Cruising Oahu, Hawaii


Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF Maybe Gary Silver will respond

 

Gary,

If Borell happens to be out of production, tell them that I will promote this alarm in my book, my website, and here. 

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:28 PM Gary Silver via groups.io <garysilver=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is a good discussion.  I have had three forays into this arena:
1.  I once manually set my Dessalator fresh water flush valve to the flush position, got distracted and pumped 800 liters of "flush" water thru my membranes.  This while motoring into Providencialis in the Turks and Caicos (the lesser draft may have aided in this circumstance).  Only when I investigated why my water tank was empty, did I discover my forgetfulness induced error. In this instance my fresh water was pumped overboard while coming into port, so no major issues.

2.  Once while under sail and running the water maker, I was surprised to hear the bilge water-level alarm go off,  I raised the engine compartment cover to see water sloshing about just around the feet of the Calpeda  AC seawater pump.  A quick finger lick proved it to be salt water and investigation revealed it was coming from the seal of the low pressure Dessalator feed pump.  I assume my bilge pump had been operating for some time until it was overwhelmed.

3.  While sailing from Grenada to Carriacou one boisterous day I overheard a one sided MayDay discussion and noted we were only about 5 miles away from the lat-long of a vessel that was sinking.  We arrived first on scene about 20 minutes after the 4 folks took to their life-raft and watched their home disappear into 11,000 ft of water 2 days before Christmas.   Getting them and their life-raft aboard in 25+ knots and 8 ft seas was quite an adventure. They were sailing along, when the wife decided to go below and get something to eat only to find the floor boards floating.  All attempts to find the site of the water intrusion were futile as the water was already too deep.  Early warning may have helped them save their boat. 

This got me to remembering my first offshore sail training aboard the Orange Coast College vessel Alaska Eagle en-route from Costa Rica to San Diego via Clipperton Atoll.  When standing watch we manually pumped the bilge every hour and logged it.  Able then to deal with any increase in bilge level.  At any rate, after one or more of the above episodes, I purchased a bilge pump run-on alarm from Borel Manufacturing of California.  Wired into the bilge pump circuit, if that circuit runs for more than 2 minutes it sounds a 110 dB sonalert that will awaken the dead.  Once the pump stops momentarily it resets the solid state timer of the run-on alarm.  When aboard I test it daily by switching the bilge pump to the manual position for more than 2 minutes.  

A similar alarm could be utilized on the fresh water pressure pump.  It would only activate if the pressure pump (Amfa or otherwise) ran for more than 2 minutes.  

I checked the Borel Mfg. web site just now and don't see this alarm offered currently, however, I have a call into the owner to inquire about its status.  

I do like the idea of switching the pressure pump power off at night or when off the boat and I plan to incorporate that into my routine.

Thanks for the discussion.  I'll post as soon as I hear from Borel Mfg.

Gary S. Silver, M.D. (retired)
Amel SM 2000 Hull #  335
Puerto Del Rey Marina, Puerto Rico 


Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF Maybe Gary Silver will respond

Matt Salatino
 

I think the Amel 50 has the safety cutoff switch. I go, weekly to a friend’s boat while they’re out of country and fresh water flush the watermaker. I have to turn on 24 volts. The pump will not come on, I assume now, as the pressure is low. I have to flip a lever on the pressure switch to start the pump. Once the pressure builds, it works fine after that. I thought it was a problem with the switch until this thread, when the lightbulb went off...(above my head). Amel finally figured it out....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On May 11, 2020, at 6:54 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Ryan & Kelly,

Great find!

I did not know that Square D offered this. This will work perfectly for any Amel with the OEM pump installed, but will not work for fans of Jabsco and others. That said, if I remember correctly, Gary Silver added an automatic cut-off switch that turned OFF the freshwater pump if it ran continuously for X minutes. Maybe Gary will respond.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 10:08 AM Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote:
On my last boat, I had exactly the scenario you suggest happen: a hose let go while I was away from the boat, the entire water supply was pumped into the bilge, and the pump's diaphragm failed.

I recently had to replace the pressure switch on our SM's AMFA water pump, which is a standard Square D switch.  Rather than exact replacement, I used the FSG2J24M4BP, which has a low-pressure cut off.  If a hose lets go, the pressure drops to such an extent that the pump will turn off and not turn on again until you manually flip the switch.  This should prevent the worst of this type of problem, but it won't protect against slow leaks.

Thanks,

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:04 AM Arlo <svplanb@...> wrote:
On my last vessel  51 footer I used wall mounted timer from.McMaster carr that you could turn the dial from 15 to 120 minutes and then it would open the contacts electrically thereby turning off the water pump electric. It was placed by the galley sink. It worked flawlessly with daily use for 10 years. The reason we installed it was to ensure when we left the vessel that the water was turned off. On my Mango my SOP is simply turn off the water when I leave the boat. We have a bilge alarm when the water gets high for when we are onboard.