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Re: genoa furler cover MEJ1 removal

CW Bill Rouse
 

Maybe this helps...it is a page from my Amel Book. You did not state your hull number, but if it is an early 54 the cover is sealed with sealant and it may be a little difficult to remove:
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 1:07 PM Roque <ediroque@...> wrote:
Great!

Maybe you could take this opportunity to install grease ports

Em qua., 20 de mai. de 2020 às 14:59, Jeroen jeltes <j.jeltes@...> escreveu:
i managed to get it removed finally, and apparently the cover is mounted in a recess.

Re: European SM 240V looking to plug in 240V US Marina

Arno Luijten
 

Bill,
The Victron isolation transformers are classic transformers, basically a lot of iron and copper. The model "3600 Watt Auto 115/230 V" is capable of converting 115 Volt into 230 V. That is one way to solve the US-EUR problem (apart from the 50/60 Hz) with the added advantage you can use both voltages more or less transparent at the input side.
However to get 16 Amps at the output you will need 32 Amps at the input. If you use the "double 115V" system to produce 230 you would be able to supply 230V32A at the output but that would require a different model transformer that cannot do auto-switching. In the latter case you would always require a 230-240 volt outlet in a USA marina. I'm not sure how wide-spread that is in the States.

On thing about classic transformers, these things tend to produce an annoying 50/60Hz humming noise that makes you need to be careful where to put it.

Myself I've installed the Mastervolt GI7 Isolation transformer. This makes virtually no noise as it uses high frequency transforming. The weight is much less as well.  They did miss a huge point designing the thing though. As they are using high frequency technology to galvanic separate the power, 95% of the parts were already included to change the the frequency as well, meaning you could have converted to 50Hz even when on a 60Hz outlet. Big omission as far as I'm concerned.

The other problem all of these isolation transformers have is they tend to increase the voltage a little bit to compensate for high loads (like the 1:1.05 ratio mentioned above). Again a bad idea. Here in St. Maarten the pontoon voltage is high already (sometimes up to 245 Volt) and behind the transformer I can see 255 Volt occasionally, 25 volts more then I would like to see. For the Mastervolt GI series even more dumb as they could have made the system adaptive because of the high frequency conversion. Trying to explain the Marina they need to look into their shorepower is a huge challenge with little chance on success.
The reason I installed the isolation transformer is because the crappy shorepower was affecting the cast-iron keel despite a perfectly working earth-bonding system in the boat. This is now resolved.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
Re: genoa furler cover MEJ1 removal

Roque
 

Great!

Maybe you could take this opportunity to install grease ports

Em qua., 20 de mai. de 2020 às 14:59, Jeroen jeltes <j.jeltes@...> escreveu:

i managed to get it removed finally, and apparently the cover is mounted in a recess.

Re: genoa furler cover MEJ1 removal

Jeroen Jeltes
 

i managed to get it removed finally, and apparently the cover is mounted in a recess.
Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Arno;

 

I think all of your questions and concerns are valid. We are going through the same questions as we plan our upgrade. You have to first really sit down and decide exactly what your optimum setup would be. You want to be sure that you do not go down a design path with certain assumptions and design criteria and find out at the tail end that you also wanted “X” that the current design cannot provide.

 

We are also considering Victron, but have the same concerns of size, weight, derating with increased temperature, compatibility with existing MasterVolt, etc. One suggestion would be to look at MasterVolt Mass Combi Ultra. Here’s the link https://www.mastervolt.com/products/combis-inverter-charger/

 

They are light (33.7 lb), compact, provide full capacity in higher temperatures, low power consumption at idle (4W),  have an integrated solar charge regulator, two AC inputs for shore power and generator and multiple units can be ganged up to increase power output. In our case, we are thinking about going with a single unit (3.5 KW) and adding another when we go to full Lithiums for 7KW of inversion. Eventually eliminating the 100A and 40 A charges and having one or both as spares.

 

The issue of supplying it with the DC power needed will depend on the existing equipment and wiring in the engine room, so running new wires can be avoided. We are also trying to avoid moving the inverters out of the engine room. We currently have the 2500W MasterVolt inverter, 100A Charger and 40A Charger. So we have wiring sufficient for about 250A of 24 volts coming to the engine room. This would theoretically be sufficient for about 6000W of inversion. This is most likely sufficient to power all systems on board, including our 150l/hr water maker that needs about 3KW. We just have to manage concurrent system usage to stay in a safe range of available power.

 

It is great to have all of these new options, however, we just have to sort through them and have an overall design that meets our requirements. As always, with more options come more decisions.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arno Luijten via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:50 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation

 

Hi,

This topic is somewhat frequent as mane Amels have a fairly limited inverter. Our Amel 54 is still stock and has the Mass Sine 2500 from Mastervolt that is actually only 2000 Watt continuously. So like may others I've been looking at alternatives.

The Victron 5kW is big, really big. It also has some small print where it states is will reduce it's output above 30 Deg. ambient temperature. I'm not saying the Vircron is not a good piece of kit, far from it, but it does have some drawbacks. Also the idle power consumption is significant.
I'm wondering why I would need 5kW. There is a case for it if you are using induction hobs for cooking, but I have no plans to convert in the foreseeable future.
I think the great improvement could be in the ability to use the washing machine, diswasher, maybe one of the A/C's
For this the inverter does not need to be more then 3.0-3.5kW continuously.
The other advantage is that a 5 kW inverter requires immense cables to the batteries, making it a big problem installing it in the Engine room, justifying the installation in the battery compartment. This again would require to move to Lithium to save battery-space... On and on it goes. So at present I'm looking into a few Mastervolt Mass-series boxes, also because this would integrate with all the other Mastervolt stuff from the later A54's

This brings me to the following question. Has anyone looked into the 24 Volt connection point in the engine room of a A54 next to the fusebox (see picture).
I notice there are feed cables of 95mm2 allowing for quite some power draw. Does anyone know where exactly these cables are connected on the supply side? Before or behind the main switches? As far as I can see this power-point is the main feed point for the fuse-box next to it is that correct?

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
Re: Self Insurance

Courtney Gorman
 

I would be interested in either for next year as I have already gotten and paid for my policy this year
thanks
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, May 20, 2020 11:02 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance

Thank you all for your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, and doubts.

Bill R has been in touch with Gary Golden at Manifest Marine. He is looking into a group policy, but at least initially doesn't think it would be enough of a market to interest commercial carriers.

Sooo, while it's not a foregone conclusion, we may have to go the self-insurance route.
That would be an experiment unless we can find someone with expertise to help us set it up.  We may find ourselves with few or no options sooner rather than later so I think it's worth pursuing if there is enough interest.

Please respond to this thread and indicate if you are seriously interested in participating in
 1)A commercial group Policy, and
 2)An AYOG self-insured plan

If there are at least 200 owners interested, I will continue to work on it.  If there is enough interest, we will take this private and ask you to complete a survey that Brent is working on.

Thanks for your prompt replies.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On May 19, 2020 3:34 AM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
Though I think it would be a great idea to start the "Amel Group Insurance Company" AGIC, it's a lot more than just opening a bank account and filling it with our $6000 each month.  Insurance companies are Bankers first, and Offer insurance second.  Once you get the first $1.2M in the bank it has to be invested, and everyone will have different ideas of where to invest it.  Well hedged is probably best, but these days I have been a very unsuccessful investor!  

On the questionnaire - Ask about Auto, Motorcycle, Airplane Insurance - Any tickets past 10 years, and any claims?  People are the same on the water as they are on land or in the air.  Careful drivers on land and in the air, will be careful captains on the water.   

I also think that the owners that will be insured by AGIC should be required to have three owners confirm that the owner is worthy of getting insurance through AGIC.  The first 200 owners insured also need to be well vetted be part of the group.  All you need is a few bad actors to bankrupt an insurance company.  Everyone has different ideas of what the appropriate level of experience should be required to sail an Amel off shore.  What would be the level of instruction/experience required for new owners, and who would be capable of imparting that knowledge and signing off for a new owner to be insured.  Bill's class would be a good one, but should Bill alone be able to sign off for a new member?  No one person should.  

There's a lot of benefits we could gain by starting this venture.  For one, it would make the AMEL brand more valuable if the insurance was transferrable to a new owner given a mandatory level of experience, no claims (any insurance), and an AMEL offshore sailing course.  Just like a check ride by the FAA.  

To do this right we need a village, and I think the AMEL Owners are the right village.  If we start now, we could draft a document and get this started by the end of the year.

First get interest level.  200 boats would probably be a good start.
Draft a Document how the company would operate.
  1.  Investments
  2.  Personal requirements to be insured
  3.  What/Where will the insurance cover
  4.  How/who will manage the claims
  5.  Define a bad risk owner, and how will a bad risk owner be deleted from the insurance group.
  6.  Insurance claims - I have never had a claim on my Car Insurance, Motorcycle Insurance, Boat Insurance, or Airplane Insurance.  Yup, I HAVE NEVER MADE A CLAIM IN 40 years of driving several types of vehicles.
  7.  Tickets in the last 10 years - Yup, I received 1 speeding ticket between San Diego and Vegas.  Just moving with traffic.  Safer to move at the same speed as traffic even though I was Breaking the Law.



So the first think would be to find out who is interested in the insurance, and each should answer the following questions.  If there is interest we need to get everyone into a spreadsheet and when we get to 200 people we can move forward to the next step.
HERE IS MINE
1.  Current Insurance Company:  JACKLINE POLICY
2.  Cost yearly: $5700
3.  Coverage amount: $280K
4.  Coverage location: Worldwide except weather zones
5.  3rd party Liability: $1M
6.  Solo Sailor: ?
7.  Insurance claims - I have never had a claim on my Car Insurance, Motorcycle Insurance, Boat Insurance, or Airplane Insurance.  Yup, I HAVE NEVER MADE A CLAIM IN 40 years of driving several types of vehicles.
8.  Tickets in the last 10 years - Yup, I received 1 speeding ticket between San Diego and Vegas.  Just moving with traffic.  Safer to move at the same speed as traffic even though I was Breaking the Law.
9.  ??  Any other questions we need to ask to get the first 220 or more first responders?  Some people will not meet the standards of the majority, so we will need to get more than the number required for critical mass.  Even I may not meet the standards of some.  
 
Done rambling....

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K #262
Currently in Phuket Thailand
Re: genoa furler cover MEJ1 removal

Jeroen Jeltes
 

Dear Roque,  thank you for picture,it helps,  pls do you have a picture of the cover?  it is not clear if it has a flat surface. regards,  Jeroen
Re: European SM 240V looking to plug in 240V US Marina

CW Bill Rouse
 

Theo,

I think the information may be misleading. 

I talked to Victron about this isolation transformer. They said that "AC input voltage is raised/lowered by 1:1.05 ratio at the AC output."

This is not what Dominique was asking for.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:22 AM Theo s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:
You might want to look into the Victron Isolation Transformer. It provides galvanic isolation, and can up or down convert voltage. It does not change the frequency.

https://www.victronenergy.com/isolation-transformers

Theo
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18

Re: Self Insurance

Patrick McAneny
 

Kent , Of course I would be interested either way. Just got off the phone with Gary Golden to discuss a policy he sent me. He said that liability alone is available , although because its fairly cheap some companies don't want to bother with it ,being several hundred ,opposed to several thousand. 
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, May 20, 2020 11:02 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance

Thank you all for your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, and doubts.

Bill R has been in touch with Gary Golden at Manifest Marine. He is looking into a group policy, but at least initially doesn't think it would be enough of a market to interest commercial carriers.

Sooo, while it's not a foregone conclusion, we may have to go the self-insurance route.
That would be an experiment unless we can find someone with expertise to help us set it up.  We may find ourselves with few or no options sooner rather than later so I think it's worth pursuing if there is enough interest.

Please respond to this thread and indicate if you are seriously interested in participating in
 1)A commercial group Policy, and
 2)An AYOG self-insured plan

If there are at least 200 owners interested, I will continue to work on it.  If there is enough interest, we will take this private and ask you to complete a survey that Brent is working on.

Thanks for your prompt replies.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On May 19, 2020 3:34 AM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
Though I think it would be a great idea to start the "Amel Group Insurance Company" AGIC, it's a lot more than just opening a bank account and filling it with our $6000 each month.  Insurance companies are Bankers first, and Offer insurance second.  Once you get the first $1.2M in the bank it has to be invested, and everyone will have different ideas of where to invest it.  Well hedged is probably best, but these days I have been a very unsuccessful investor!  

On the questionnaire - Ask about Auto, Motorcycle, Airplane Insurance - Any tickets past 10 years, and any claims?  People are the same on the water as they are on land or in the air.  Careful drivers on land and in the air, will be careful captains on the water.   

I also think that the owners that will be insured by AGIC should be required to have three owners confirm that the owner is worthy of getting insurance through AGIC.  The first 200 owners insured also need to be well vetted be part of the group.  All you need is a few bad actors to bankrupt an insurance company.  Everyone has different ideas of what the appropriate level of experience should be required to sail an Amel off shore.  What would be the level of instruction/experience required for new owners, and who would be capable of imparting that knowledge and signing off for a new owner to be insured.  Bill's class would be a good one, but should Bill alone be able to sign off for a new member?  No one person should.  

There's a lot of benefits we could gain by starting this venture.  For one, it would make the AMEL brand more valuable if the insurance was transferrable to a new owner given a mandatory level of experience, no claims (any insurance), and an AMEL offshore sailing course.  Just like a check ride by the FAA.  

To do this right we need a village, and I think the AMEL Owners are the right village.  If we start now, we could draft a document and get this started by the end of the year.

First get interest level.  200 boats would probably be a good start.
Draft a Document how the company would operate.
  1.  Investments
  2.  Personal requirements to be insured
  3.  What/Where will the insurance cover
  4.  How/who will manage the claims
  5.  Define a bad risk owner, and how will a bad risk owner be deleted from the insurance group.
  6.  Insurance claims - I have never had a claim on my Car Insurance, Motorcycle Insurance, Boat Insurance, or Airplane Insurance.  Yup, I HAVE NEVER MADE A CLAIM IN 40 years of driving several types of vehicles.
  7.  Tickets in the last 10 years - Yup, I received 1 speeding ticket between San Diego and Vegas.  Just moving with traffic.  Safer to move at the same speed as traffic even though I was Breaking the Law.



So the first think would be to find out who is interested in the insurance, and each should answer the following questions.  If there is interest we need to get everyone into a spreadsheet and when we get to 200 people we can move forward to the next step.
HERE IS MINE
1.  Current Insurance Company:  JACKLINE POLICY
2.  Cost yearly: $5700
3.  Coverage amount: $280K
4.  Coverage location: Worldwide except weather zones
5.  3rd party Liability: $1M
6.  Solo Sailor: ?
7.  Insurance claims - I have never had a claim on my Car Insurance, Motorcycle Insurance, Boat Insurance, or Airplane Insurance.  Yup, I HAVE NEVER MADE A CLAIM IN 40 years of driving several types of vehicles.
8.  Tickets in the last 10 years - Yup, I received 1 speeding ticket between San Diego and Vegas.  Just moving with traffic.  Safer to move at the same speed as traffic even though I was Breaking the Law.
9.  ??  Any other questions we need to ask to get the first 220 or more first responders?  Some people will not meet the standards of the majority, so we will need to get more than the number required for critical mass.  Even I may not meet the standards of some.  
 
Done rambling....

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K #262
Currently in Phuket Thailand
Re: genoa furler cover MEJ1 removal

Roque
 

Hi

Maybe this pic will help. 

Roque 

Attika A54 #117

Em qua, 20 de mai de 2020 às 12:43, Jeroen jeltes <j.jeltes@...> escreveu:

Hi all Amel owners.  i am struggling to remove the cover of the MEJ1 furler,  to be able to replace te belt.
i have tried a rubber hammer, i do not like to use a srewdriver as this would damage the anodising of the cover and sealbed.
Is the cover flat ? or has the furlerbody recesses for the screws?  in other words does it have to come out vertically, or should i use more force with the hammer sideways?  advice welcome. 
Jeroen Jeltes,  Fidelis Am54 Aruba.

Re: Self Insurance

Ryan Meador
 

We're potentially interested in a group buy of a normal insurance policy.  It will depend on the rate/coverage vs what we can find through our insurance broker (so far they've found one, but it's expensive).  Our policy expires at the end of July.

We might be interested in self insurance, depending on exactly how it works.  Insurance is a highly regulated industry, and I think it's going to be difficult for a bunch of laypeople like us to successfully form an insurance company, doubly so on a tight timeline.  Even if we succeed, I'm not sure the policy would be acceptable to the bank that owns our mortgage.  But this project is something I've been thinking about for a long time, so if it is feasible, I'd be interested in being part of it.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:02 AM karkauai via groups.io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you all for your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, and doubts.

Bill R has been in touch with Gary Golden at Manifest Marine. He is looking into a group policy, but at least initially doesn't think it would be enough of a market to interest commercial carriers.

Sooo, while it's not a foregone conclusion, we may have to go the self-insurance route.
That would be an experiment unless we can find someone with expertise to help us set it up.  We may find ourselves with few or no options sooner rather than later so I think it's worth pursuing if there is enough interest.

Please respond to this thread and indicate if you are seriously interested in participating in
 1)A commercial group Policy, and
 2)An AYOG self-insured plan

If there are at least 200 owners interested, I will continue to work on it.  If there is enough interest, we will take this private and ask you to complete a survey that Brent is working on.

Thanks for your prompt replies.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On May 19, 2020 3:34 AM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
Though I think it would be a great idea to start the "Amel Group Insurance Company" AGIC, it's a lot more than just opening a bank account and filling it with our $6000 each month.  Insurance companies are Bankers first, and Offer insurance second.  Once you get the first $1.2M in the bank it has to be invested, and everyone will have different ideas of where to invest it.  Well hedged is probably best, but these days I have been a very unsuccessful investor!  

On the questionnaire - Ask about Auto, Motorcycle, Airplane Insurance - Any tickets past 10 years, and any claims?  People are the same on the water as they are on land or in the air.  Careful drivers on land and in the air, will be careful captains on the water.   

I also think that the owners that will be insured by AGIC should be required to have three owners confirm that the owner is worthy of getting insurance through AGIC.  The first 200 owners insured also need to be well vetted be part of the group.  All you need is a few bad actors to bankrupt an insurance company.  Everyone has different ideas of what the appropriate level of experience should be required to sail an Amel off shore.  What would be the level of instruction/experience required for new owners, and who would be capable of imparting that knowledge and signing off for a new owner to be insured.  Bill's class would be a good one, but should Bill alone be able to sign off for a new member?  No one person should.  

There's a lot of benefits we could gain by starting this venture.  For one, it would make the AMEL brand more valuable if the insurance was transferrable to a new owner given a mandatory level of experience, no claims (any insurance), and an AMEL offshore sailing course.  Just like a check ride by the FAA.  

To do this right we need a village, and I think the AMEL Owners are the right village.  If we start now, we could draft a document and get this started by the end of the year.

First get interest level.  200 boats would probably be a good start.
Draft a Document how the company would operate.
  1.  Investments
  2.  Personal requirements to be insured
  3.  What/Where will the insurance cover
  4.  How/who will manage the claims
  5.  Define a bad risk owner, and how will a bad risk owner be deleted from the insurance group.
  6.  Insurance claims - I have never had a claim on my Car Insurance, Motorcycle Insurance, Boat Insurance, or Airplane Insurance.  Yup, I HAVE NEVER MADE A CLAIM IN 40 years of driving several types of vehicles.
  7.  Tickets in the last 10 years - Yup, I received 1 speeding ticket between San Diego and Vegas.  Just moving with traffic.  Safer to move at the same speed as traffic even though I was Breaking the Law.



So the first think would be to find out who is interested in the insurance, and each should answer the following questions.  If there is interest we need to get everyone into a spreadsheet and when we get to 200 people we can move forward to the next step.
HERE IS MINE
1.  Current Insurance Company:  JACKLINE POLICY
2.  Cost yearly: $5700
3.  Coverage amount: $280K
4.  Coverage location: Worldwide except weather zones
5.  3rd party Liability: $1M
6.  Solo Sailor: ?
7.  Insurance claims - I have never had a claim on my Car Insurance, Motorcycle Insurance, Boat Insurance, or Airplane Insurance.  Yup, I HAVE NEVER MADE A CLAIM IN 40 years of driving several types of vehicles.
8.  Tickets in the last 10 years - Yup, I received 1 speeding ticket between San Diego and Vegas.  Just moving with traffic.  Safer to move at the same speed as traffic even though I was Breaking the Law.
9.  ??  Any other questions we need to ask to get the first 220 or more first responders?  Some people will not meet the standards of the majority, so we will need to get more than the number required for critical mass.  Even I may not meet the standards of some.  
 
Done rambling....

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K #262
Currently in Phuket Thailand
Re: European SM 240V looking to plug in 240V US Marina

Theo s/v Paloma
 

You might want to look into the Victron Isolation Transformer. It provides galvanic isolation, and can up or down convert voltage. It does not change the frequency.

https://www.victronenergy.com/isolation-transformers

Theo
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18
Re: New files uploaded to main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

Theo s/v Paloma
 

Any chance someone can upload the service and part manuals for the ONAN Cummins 8KW (MDKBW)?
Theo
s/v Paloma
Amel50 #18
genoa furler cover MEJ1 removal

Jeroen Jeltes
 

Hi all Amel owners.  i am struggling to remove the cover of the MEJ1 furler,  to be able to replace te belt.
i have tried a rubber hammer, i do not like to use a srewdriver as this would damage the anodising of the cover and sealbed.
Is the cover flat ? or has the furlerbody recesses for the screws?  in other words does it have to come out vertically, or should i use more force with the hammer sideways?  advice welcome. 
Jeroen Jeltes,  Fidelis Am54 Aruba.
Re: Self Insurance

karkauai
 

Thank you all for your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, and doubts.

Bill R has been in touch with Gary Golden at Manifest Marine. He is looking into a group policy, but at least initially doesn't think it would be enough of a market to interest commercial carriers.

Sooo, while it's not a foregone conclusion, we may have to go the self-insurance route.
That would be an experiment unless we can find someone with expertise to help us set it up.  We may find ourselves with few or no options sooner rather than later so I think it's worth pursuing if there is enough interest.

Please respond to this thread and indicate if you are seriously interested in participating in
 1)A commercial group Policy, and
 2)An AYOG self-insured plan

If there are at least 200 owners interested, I will continue to work on it.  If there is enough interest, we will take this private and ask you to complete a survey that Brent is working on.

Thanks for your prompt replies.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On May 19, 2020 3:34 AM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
Though I think it would be a great idea to start the "Amel Group Insurance Company" AGIC, it's a lot more than just opening a bank account and filling it with our $6000 each month.  Insurance companies are Bankers first, and Offer insurance second.  Once you get the first $1.2M in the bank it has to be invested, and everyone will have different ideas of where to invest it.  Well hedged is probably best, but these days I have been a very unsuccessful investor!  

On the questionnaire - Ask about Auto, Motorcycle, Airplane Insurance - Any tickets past 10 years, and any claims?  People are the same on the water as they are on land or in the air.  Careful drivers on land and in the air, will be careful captains on the water.   

I also think that the owners that will be insured by AGIC should be required to have three owners confirm that the owner is worthy of getting insurance through AGIC.  The first 200 owners insured also need to be well vetted be part of the group.  All you need is a few bad actors to bankrupt an insurance company.  Everyone has different ideas of what the appropriate level of experience should be required to sail an Amel off shore.  What would be the level of instruction/experience required for new owners, and who would be capable of imparting that knowledge and signing off for a new owner to be insured.  Bill's class would be a good one, but should Bill alone be able to sign off for a new member?  No one person should.  

There's a lot of benefits we could gain by starting this venture.  For one, it would make the AMEL brand more valuable if the insurance was transferrable to a new owner given a mandatory level of experience, no claims (any insurance), and an AMEL offshore sailing course.  Just like a check ride by the FAA.  

To do this right we need a village, and I think the AMEL Owners are the right village.  If we start now, we could draft a document and get this started by the end of the year.

First get interest level.  200 boats would probably be a good start.
Draft a Document how the company would operate.
  1.  Investments
  2.  Personal requirements to be insured
  3.  What/Where will the insurance cover
  4.  How/who will manage the claims
  5.  Define a bad risk owner, and how will a bad risk owner be deleted from the insurance group.
  6.  Insurance claims - I have never had a claim on my Car Insurance, Motorcycle Insurance, Boat Insurance, or Airplane Insurance.  Yup, I HAVE NEVER MADE A CLAIM IN 40 years of driving several types of vehicles.
  7.  Tickets in the last 10 years - Yup, I received 1 speeding ticket between San Diego and Vegas.  Just moving with traffic.  Safer to move at the same speed as traffic even though I was Breaking the Law.



So the first think would be to find out who is interested in the insurance, and each should answer the following questions.  If there is interest we need to get everyone into a spreadsheet and when we get to 200 people we can move forward to the next step.
HERE IS MINE
1.  Current Insurance Company:  JACKLINE POLICY
2.  Cost yearly: $5700
3.  Coverage amount: $280K
4.  Coverage location: Worldwide except weather zones
5.  3rd party Liability: $1M
6.  Solo Sailor: ?
7.  Insurance claims - I have never had a claim on my Car Insurance, Motorcycle Insurance, Boat Insurance, or Airplane Insurance.  Yup, I HAVE NEVER MADE A CLAIM IN 40 years of driving several types of vehicles.
8.  Tickets in the last 10 years - Yup, I received 1 speeding ticket between San Diego and Vegas.  Just moving with traffic.  Safer to move at the same speed as traffic even though I was Breaking the Law.
9.  ??  Any other questions we need to ask to get the first 220 or more first responders?  Some people will not meet the standards of the majority, so we will need to get more than the number required for critical mass.  Even I may not meet the standards of some.  
 
Done rambling....

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K #262
Currently in Phuket Thailand
Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation

Arno Luijten
 

Hi,

This topic is somewhat frequent as mane Amels have a fairly limited inverter. Our Amel 54 is still stock and has the Mass Sine 2500 from Mastervolt that is actually only 2000 Watt continuously. So like may others I've been looking at alternatives.

The Victron 5kW is big, really big. It also has some small print where it states is will reduce it's output above 30 Deg. ambient temperature. I'm not saying the Vircron is not a good piece of kit, far from it, but it does have some drawbacks. Also the idle power consumption is significant.
I'm wondering why I would need 5kW. There is a case for it if you are using induction hobs for cooking, but I have no plans to convert in the foreseeable future.
I think the great improvement could be in the ability to use the washing machine, diswasher, maybe one of the A/C's
For this the inverter does not need to be more then 3.0-3.5kW continuously.
The other advantage is that a 5 kW inverter requires immense cables to the batteries, making it a big problem installing it in the Engine room, justifying the installation in the battery compartment. This again would require to move to Lithium to save battery-space... On and on it goes. So at present I'm looking into a few Mastervolt Mass-series boxes, also because this would integrate with all the other Mastervolt stuff from the later A54's

This brings me to the following question. Has anyone looked into the 24 Volt connection point in the engine room of a A54 next to the fusebox (see picture).
I notice there are feed cables of 95mm2 allowing for quite some power draw. Does anyone know where exactly these cables are connected on the supply side? Before or behind the main switches? As far as I can see this power-point is the main feed point for the fuse-box next to it is that correct?

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hello,

There are several reasons why I did not install the charger inverter in the old engine room location.

I did not like that computerised device in a hot and humid environment, special beside the watermaker. I experianced a spray from a hose right into old charger... 

Victron advices installation in cool and dry place and the engine room is the opposite. Additional there is the bilge and whem someone takes a hot shower lots of steam whoop around..

With the ventilation arangement inside the multi plus its intended to be mounted vertical for best cooling. Thats not possible at the old place. Its also possible to mount it horizontal but u will not get best cooling. 

I like to have short charging wires for best efficency and less losses, I would have needed to route additional wires for 120A charging. In the new location wires are short.

Now living with this upgrade more than 1.5 years full time anchored I would do it this way again. Its not that much trouble to rewire as you will need to change wires to larger sizes anyway. 

Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54#39 
Martinique 

On Wed, May 20, 2020, 09:54 Lior Keydar <lior246@...> wrote:
Dear Oliver

I still have on SHARONA (A54) the original installation of the inverter and the two charger (30, 100) with 12 lead acid batteries.  I think as a first step just to replace the old inverter and charger with Victron MultiPlus or Quattro and keep the old batteries for a few more month. 

I saw that you installed your MultiPlus inverter near the batteries. Can I ask, why did you not installed it instead of the old inverter behind the generator? Would it be also easy to install it behind the generator?

Thanks
Lior SHARONA, A54 #18

Re: Identifing parts for Onan water flange

CW Bill Rouse
 

Olaf,

Assuming that your Onan is the same that Amel installed and has not been modified, Amel ordered the 12 volt isolated ground version. If your current sensors have 2 wires, that are for the isolated ground version.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 7:56 PM Olaf Bauer <olaf.bauer@...> wrote:

Hello AMELians,

 

When ordering parts for the Onan generator some questions were coming up:

 - Which ground I required? The negative ground or isolated ground (PN# 300-5040 or 300-5041)?

 - The 12V and  24V Negative ground or 12V isolated ground (PN# 193-0318 or 193-0457-01)?

 

The Onan generator is Type 7MDKAV-2317 MDKAV 7 kW 50 Hz Diesel

 

Could someone help me on that or tell me how I could find that out?

 

Thanks in advance.

Fair winds

Olaf

 

S/V Katchopine, SM2K 392

currently in Trinidad

 
Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation

Lior Keydar
 

Dear Oliver

I still have on SHARONA (A54) the original installation of the inverter and the two charger (30, 100) with 12 lead acid batteries.  I think as a first step just to replace the old inverter and charger with Victron MultiPlus or Quattro and keep the old batteries for a few more month. 

I saw that you installed your MultiPlus inverter near the batteries. Can I ask, why did you not installed it instead of the old inverter behind the generator? Would it be also easy to install it behind the generator?

Thanks
Lior SHARONA, A54 #18
Re: A54 top loading fridge /freezer strut

ESTELLER
 

I change the mine some months ago, and it was provided by AMEL SAV

 

José ORION 54 118

 

 

 
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