Re: genoa furler cover MEJ1 removal
Maybe this helps...it is a page from my Amel Book. You did not state your hull number, but if it is an early 54 the cover is sealed with sealant and it may be a little difficult to remove:
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 1:07 PM Roque <ediroque@...> wrote:
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Re: European SM 240V looking to plug in 240V US Marina
Bill,
The Victron isolation transformers are classic transformers, basically a lot of iron and copper. The model "3600 Watt Auto 115/230 V" is capable of converting 115 Volt into 230 V. That is one way to solve the US-EUR problem (apart from the 50/60 Hz) with the added advantage you can use both voltages more or less transparent at the input side. However to get 16 Amps at the output you will need 32 Amps at the input. If you use the "double 115V" system to produce 230 you would be able to supply 230V32A at the output but that would require a different model transformer that cannot do auto-switching. In the latter case you would always require a 230-240 volt outlet in a USA marina. I'm not sure how wide-spread that is in the States. On thing about classic transformers, these things tend to produce an annoying 50/60Hz humming noise that makes you need to be careful where to put it. Myself I've installed the Mastervolt GI7 Isolation transformer. This makes virtually no noise as it uses high frequency transforming. The weight is much less as well. They did miss a huge point designing the thing though. As they are using high frequency technology to galvanic separate the power, 95% of the parts were already included to change the the frequency as well, meaning you could have converted to 50Hz even when on a 60Hz outlet. Big omission as far as I'm concerned. The other problem all of these isolation transformers have is they tend to increase the voltage a little bit to compensate for high loads (like the 1:1.05 ratio mentioned above). Again a bad idea. Here in St. Maarten the pontoon voltage is high already (sometimes up to 245 Volt) and behind the transformer I can see 255 Volt occasionally, 25 volts more then I would like to see. For the Mastervolt GI series even more dumb as they could have made the system adaptive because of the high frequency conversion. Trying to explain the Marina they need to look into their shorepower is a huge challenge with little chance on success. The reason I installed the isolation transformer is because the crappy shorepower was affecting the cast-iron keel despite a perfectly working earth-bonding system in the boat. This is now resolved. Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: genoa furler cover MEJ1 removal
Roque
Great! Maybe you could take this opportunity to install grease ports Em qua., 20 de mai. de 2020 às 14:59, Jeroen jeltes <j.jeltes@...> escreveu:
i managed to get it removed finally, and apparently the cover is mounted in a recess.
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Re: genoa furler cover MEJ1 removal
i managed to get it removed finally, and apparently the cover is mounted in a recess.
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Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Arno;
I think all of your questions and concerns are valid. We are going through the same questions as we plan our upgrade. You have to first really sit down and decide exactly what your optimum setup would be. You want to be sure that you do not go down a design path with certain assumptions and design criteria and find out at the tail end that you also wanted “X” that the current design cannot provide.
We are also considering Victron, but have the same concerns of size, weight, derating with increased temperature, compatibility with existing MasterVolt, etc. One suggestion would be to look at MasterVolt Mass Combi Ultra. Here’s the link https://www.mastervolt.com/products/combis-inverter-charger/
They are light (33.7 lb), compact, provide full capacity in higher temperatures, low power consumption at idle (4W), have an integrated solar charge regulator, two AC inputs for shore power and generator and multiple units can be ganged up to increase power output. In our case, we are thinking about going with a single unit (3.5 KW) and adding another when we go to full Lithiums for 7KW of inversion. Eventually eliminating the 100A and 40 A charges and having one or both as spares.
The issue of supplying it with the DC power needed will depend on the existing equipment and wiring in the engine room, so running new wires can be avoided. We are also trying to avoid moving the inverters out of the engine room. We currently have the 2500W MasterVolt inverter, 100A Charger and 40A Charger. So we have wiring sufficient for about 250A of 24 volts coming to the engine room. This would theoretically be sufficient for about 6000W of inversion. This is most likely sufficient to power all systems on board, including our 150l/hr water maker that needs about 3KW. We just have to manage concurrent system usage to stay in a safe range of available power.
It is great to have all of these new options, however, we just have to sort through them and have an overall design that meets our requirements. As always, with more options come more decisions.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Arno Luijten via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:50 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation
Hi,
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Re: Self Insurance
I would be interested in either for next year as I have already gotten and paid for my policy this year
thanks
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Wed, May 20, 2020 11:02 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance Thank you all for your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, and doubts.
Bill R has been in touch with Gary Golden at Manifest Marine. He is looking into a group policy, but at least initially doesn't think it would be enough of a market to interest commercial carriers.
Sooo, while it's not a foregone conclusion, we may have to go the self-insurance route.
That would be an experiment unless we can find someone with expertise to help us set it up. We may find ourselves with few or no options sooner rather than later so I think it's worth pursuing if there is enough interest.
Please respond to this thread and indicate if you are seriously interested in participating in
1)A commercial group Policy, and
2)An AYOG self-insured plan
If there are at least 200 owners interested, I will continue to work on it. If there is enough interest, we will take this private and ask you to complete a survey that Brent is working on.
Thanks for your prompt replies.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
On May 19, 2020 3:34 AM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
Though I think it would be a great idea to start the "Amel Group Insurance Company" AGIC, it's a lot more than just opening a bank account and filling it with our $6000 each month. Insurance companies are Bankers first, and Offer insurance second. Once you get the first $1.2M in the bank it has to be invested, and everyone will have different ideas of where to invest it. Well hedged is probably best, but these days I have been a very unsuccessful investor!
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Re: genoa furler cover MEJ1 removal
Dear Roque, thank you for picture,it helps, pls do you have a picture of the cover? it is not clear if it has a flat surface. regards, Jeroen
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Re: European SM 240V looking to plug in 240V US Marina
Theo, I think the information may be misleading. I talked to Victron about this isolation transformer. They said that "AC input voltage is raised/lowered by 1:1.05 ratio at the AC output." This is not what Dominique was asking for. Bill
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:22 AM Theo s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote: You might want to look into the Victron Isolation Transformer. It provides galvanic isolation, and can up or down convert voltage. It does not change the frequency.
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Re: Self Insurance
Patrick McAneny
Kent , Of course I would be interested either way. Just got off the phone with Gary Golden to discuss a policy he sent me. He said that liability alone is available , although because its fairly cheap some companies don't want to bother with it ,being several hundred ,opposed to several thousand.
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123
-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Wed, May 20, 2020 11:02 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance Thank you all for your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, and doubts.
Bill R has been in touch with Gary Golden at Manifest Marine. He is looking into a group policy, but at least initially doesn't think it would be enough of a market to interest commercial carriers.
Sooo, while it's not a foregone conclusion, we may have to go the self-insurance route.
That would be an experiment unless we can find someone with expertise to help us set it up. We may find ourselves with few or no options sooner rather than later so I think it's worth pursuing if there is enough interest.
Please respond to this thread and indicate if you are seriously interested in participating in
1)A commercial group Policy, and
2)An AYOG self-insured plan
If there are at least 200 owners interested, I will continue to work on it. If there is enough interest, we will take this private and ask you to complete a survey that Brent is working on.
Thanks for your prompt replies.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
On May 19, 2020 3:34 AM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
Though I think it would be a great idea to start the "Amel Group Insurance Company" AGIC, it's a lot more than just opening a bank account and filling it with our $6000 each month. Insurance companies are Bankers first, and Offer insurance second. Once you get the first $1.2M in the bank it has to be invested, and everyone will have different ideas of where to invest it. Well hedged is probably best, but these days I have been a very unsuccessful investor!
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Re: genoa furler cover MEJ1 removal
Roque
Hi Maybe this pic will help. Roque Attika A54 #117 Em qua, 20 de mai de 2020 às 12:43, Jeroen jeltes <j.jeltes@...> escreveu:
Hi all Amel owners. i am struggling to remove the cover of the MEJ1 furler, to be able to replace te belt.
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Re: Self Insurance
Ryan Meador
We're potentially interested in a group buy of a normal insurance policy. It will depend on the rate/coverage vs what we can find through our insurance broker (so far they've found one, but it's expensive). Our policy expires at the end of July. We might be interested in self insurance, depending on exactly how it works. Insurance is a highly regulated industry, and I think it's going to be difficult for a bunch of laypeople like us to successfully form an insurance company, doubly so on a tight timeline. Even if we succeed, I'm not sure the policy would be acceptable to the bank that owns our mortgage. But this project is something I've been thinking about for a long time, so if it is feasible, I'd be interested in being part of it. Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration Boston, MA, USA
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Re: European SM 240V looking to plug in 240V US Marina
You might want to look into the Victron Isolation Transformer. It provides galvanic isolation, and can up or down convert voltage. It does not change the frequency.
https://www.victronenergy.com/isolation-transformers Theo s/v Paloma Amel 50 #18
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Re: New files uploaded to main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Any chance someone can upload the service and part manuals for the ONAN Cummins 8KW (MDKBW)?Theo s/v Paloma Amel50 #18
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genoa furler cover MEJ1 removal
Hi all Amel owners. i am struggling to remove the cover of the MEJ1 furler, to be able to replace te belt.
i have tried a rubber hammer, i do not like to use a srewdriver as this would damage the anodising of the cover and sealbed. Is the cover flat ? or has the furlerbody recesses for the screws? in other words does it have to come out vertically, or should i use more force with the hammer sideways? advice welcome. Jeroen Jeltes, Fidelis Am54 Aruba.
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Re: Self Insurance
Thank you all for your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, and doubts. Bill R has been in touch with Gary Golden at Manifest Marine. He is looking into a group policy, but at least initially doesn't think it would be enough of a market to interest commercial carriers. Sooo, while it's not a foregone conclusion, we may have to go the self-insurance route. That would be an experiment unless we can find someone with expertise to help us set it up. We may find ourselves with few or no options sooner rather than later so I think it's worth pursuing if there is enough interest. Please respond to this thread and indicate if you are seriously interested in participating in 1)A commercial group Policy, and 2)An AYOG self-insured plan If there are at least 200 owners interested, I will continue to work on it. If there is enough interest, we will take this private and ask you to complete a survey that Brent is working on. Thanks for your prompt replies. Kent SM 243 Kristy
On May 19, 2020 3:34 AM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote: Though I think it would be a great idea to start the "Amel Group Insurance Company" AGIC, it's a lot more than just opening a bank account and filling it with our $6000 each month. Insurance companies are Bankers first, and Offer insurance second. Once you get the first $1.2M in the bank it has to be invested, and everyone will have different ideas of where to invest it. Well hedged is probably best, but these days I have been a very unsuccessful investor!
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Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation
Hi,
This topic is somewhat frequent as mane Amels have a fairly limited inverter. Our Amel 54 is still stock and has the Mass Sine 2500 from Mastervolt that is actually only 2000 Watt continuously. So like may others I've been looking at alternatives. The Victron 5kW is big, really big. It also has some small print where it states is will reduce it's output above 30 Deg. ambient temperature. I'm not saying the Vircron is not a good piece of kit, far from it, but it does have some drawbacks. Also the idle power consumption is significant. I'm wondering why I would need 5kW. There is a case for it if you are using induction hobs for cooking, but I have no plans to convert in the foreseeable future. I think the great improvement could be in the ability to use the washing machine, diswasher, maybe one of the A/C's For this the inverter does not need to be more then 3.0-3.5kW continuously. The other advantage is that a 5 kW inverter requires immense cables to the batteries, making it a big problem installing it in the Engine room, justifying the installation in the battery compartment. This again would require to move to Lithium to save battery-space... On and on it goes. So at present I'm looking into a few Mastervolt Mass-series boxes, also because this would integrate with all the other Mastervolt stuff from the later A54's This brings me to the following question. Has anyone looked into the 24 Volt connection point in the engine room of a A54 next to the fusebox (see picture). I notice there are feed cables of 95mm2 allowing for quite some power draw. Does anyone know where exactly these cables are connected on the supply side? Before or behind the main switches? As far as I can see this power-point is the main feed point for the fuse-box next to it is that correct? Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation
Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
Hello, There are several reasons why I did not install the charger inverter in the old engine room location. I did not like that computerised device in a hot and humid environment, special beside the watermaker. I experianced a spray from a hose right into old charger... Victron advices installation in cool and dry place and the engine room is the opposite. Additional there is the bilge and whem someone takes a hot shower lots of steam whoop around.. With the ventilation arangement inside the multi plus its intended to be mounted vertical for best cooling. Thats not possible at the old place. Its also possible to mount it horizontal but u will not get best cooling. I like to have short charging wires for best efficency and less losses, I would have needed to route additional wires for 120A charging. In the new location wires are short. Now living with this upgrade more than 1.5 years full time anchored I would do it this way again. Its not that much trouble to rewire as you will need to change wires to larger sizes anyway. Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54#39 Martinique
On Wed, May 20, 2020, 09:54 Lior Keydar <lior246@...> wrote: Dear Oliver
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Re: Identifing parts for Onan water flange
Olaf, Assuming that your Onan is the same that Amel installed and has not been modified, Amel ordered the 12 volt isolated ground version. If your current sensors have 2 wires, that are for the isolated ground version. Bill
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 7:56 PM Olaf Bauer <olaf.bauer@...> wrote:
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Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation
Lior Keydar
Dear Oliver
I still have on SHARONA (A54) the original installation of the inverter and the two charger (30, 100) with 12 lead acid batteries. I think as a first step just to replace the old inverter and charger with Victron MultiPlus or Quattro and keep the old batteries for a few more month. I saw that you installed your MultiPlus inverter near the batteries. Can I ask, why did you not installed it instead of the old inverter behind the generator? Would it be also easy to install it behind the generator? Thanks Lior SHARONA, A54 #18
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Re: A54 top loading fridge /freezer strut
ESTELLER
I change the mine some months ago, and it was provided by AMEL SAV
José ORION 54 118
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