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Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54
Hi Jeroen, Personally I’m thinking to put an alarm on the dipstick to signal overfilling. That would prevent the overflow in the first place.
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Re: Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower
Hi Jeroen,
Access to the area under the shower requires extreme agility. You can also remove the airconditioner to get slightly better access. The floorboard just in front of the housing of the A/C gives you limited access but you will need to execute a Lambada dance for it. You said it’s fresh water, my guess is the condensation drain for the A/C is playing havoc. You can remove the wooden cover of the A/C pretty easy, 4 screws. If your shower is leaking the smell will tell you ... This is also the place where salt water will go if your rudder gland is leaking. Regards, Arno Luijten, SV Luna, A54-121
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lowering mainsail
william reynolds
I've looked at all the old topics concerning dropping the furling mainsail and found a lot of 'what was Amel thinking'? on the length of the main halyard. I've sailed many, many boats in my life but have never seen a furling main that could not be lowered with the installed halyard. One of the times you would w ant to lower it would be because of a mainsail failure/jam and it's probably going to be in adverse conditions. Trying to find a line, bend it on and then attempt to lower the main these conditions is not a safe prudent solution. Why did they do this? What was the reasoning and rational? Any reasonable answers?
Bill Reynolds - CloudStreet
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Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54
It is a shame you have altered the integrity of your vessel by holing the bulkheads. A better approach would have been to install water alarms in the compartments. These are available for about US$12.00
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff www.creampuff.us
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeroen jeltes
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 10:47 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] no bilgepump in saloon Am54
Ref Fidelis Am54 bno.118 . We already experienced a small accident wilst filling the freshwater tank ; the tank overflow comes from the dipstick hole wich results in 200L+ water in your bilgelockers ! Now i have installed an emergency 24V pump with 3m hose in the bilgelocker underneath the stairs.
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Re: Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower
I don’t think you will find the leak to be at the hose connections for the shower drain. It is more likely the shower pan is leaking the edges. Look closely at the area where the pan joins the bulkheads.
Also on the SM53 the aft AC unit can overflow into the area under the shower if the condensation drain for the unit becomes clogged. (not sure of the 54 and the placement of the aft AC unit if this can occur).
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Jeroen jeltes
ref Amel 54 bno 118 Fidelis, now in quarantine in Aruba, so
plenty of time to do jobs.
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Re: Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower
Hi Jeroen,
How can you tell there is (fresh) water underneath the Master shower?
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA May 23, 2020 14:09:30
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842 AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Jeroen jeltes via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 13:35 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower
ref Amel 54 bno 118 Fidelis, now in quarantine in Aruba, so plenty of time to do jobs.
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Re: Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower
The whole point of water tight bulkheads is to prevent water from flowing between the compartments..
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Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54
Jeroen, Respectfully, you do not understand the basics of Amel watertight bulkheads. The next time that you are in port or at anchor near another Amel, introduce yourself to the owner and ask him to explain this to you. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html
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no bilgepump in saloon Am54
Ref Fidelis Am54 bno.118 . We already experienced a small accident wilst filling the freshwater tank ; the tank overflow comes from the dipstick hole wich results in 200L+ water in your bilgelockers ! Now i have installed an emergency 24V pump with 3m hose in the bilgelocker underneath the stairs.
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Re: Insurance
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Well said Pat. Danny
On 24 May 2020 at 01:33 "Patrick McAneny via groups.io" <sailw32@...> wrote:
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Re: Getting to St Maarten
Eric. Can you let me know when you are thinking. I’d love to help you if it works out and you need a hand.
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Porter McRoberts S/V IBIS A54-152 (Opua) But we’re in Fort Lauderdale Excuse the errors. Sent from my IPhone Www.fouribis.net
On May 23, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:
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Re: Getting to St Maarten
Thomas Peacock
Hi Eric,
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This is Tom, not sure if the right Tom. We have just entered the Chesapeake, having spent 8 days coming up from Puerto Rico. Glad to be back in the US. Sorry that Kimberlite remains in limbo. I am not able to help out bringing her up. But let me know about anything else. Tom Peacock Aletes SM 240 with its tiny keyboard
On May 22, 2020, at 7:36 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
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Re: Starting Capacitor size for a 220v, 50Hz 2.5 kw water maker high pressure motor
Mark & Debbie Mueller
The 48 mfd you measured is approximately 20% below the specified value for that motor. Industry standards say a 10% deviation is OK. I would not discount the capacitor as the culprit. Also, try and rotate the motor from the cooling fan end by hand to see if the motor or pump is locked up – verify the power is off. Good Luck. -- Mark Mueller Brass Ring A54
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Re: Insurance
Patrick McAneny
Mark,
I emailed Kent yesterday, that I was going to stop responding to posts on this subject ,as I don't want to take the time or clog up this site. But the 2% proposed deposit into a reserve fund ,was a one time deposit, which upon leaving the group, you would receive a 50% refund,provided you had not made any claims during your membership. With the group protecting you from a total loss ,perhaps an owner may chose to continue full coverage , but could insure his boat at a much lower fixed value ,which should result in a much lower annual premium. If you parked $4000. in the reserve fund and it lowered your premium by a significant amount ,it could be a good return on your deposit .
However ,I agree and related this to Kent ,its like herding cats , I have read comments that were based on false assumptions or the misinterpretations of what was originally proposed and I felt compelled correct them,can't keep doing it. For this to work ,it would need to be lead by someone well organized, it would have to be kept simple and limited in scope. I have said that ,it may be a case of a good idea whose time is yet to arrive. If underwriters continue to leave the market ,and coverage continues to shrink and continue to get more expensive ,its time may arrive .
But I don't think it is now, I did not make the original post on this subject , but I have proposed some plans for it, and believe it has merit, if an Amel Risk co-op ever evolves , count me in. But for now ,I will now respond to further discussions on this site , as often a subject goes on and on , clogging the site without end.
Stay Safe,
Pat
SM#123
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 6:15 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance Not wanting to poop on this idea, I am in favor or the concept,
but the proposed numbers just do not seem to work.
If I am to
contribute 2% of the insured value of my boat, this amount is greater than what
I am currently paying for my current company provided insurance (with minimal
deductable and liability included).
Just my 2¢ but
to think 200 owners would agree to this is IMO a bit of a pipe dream. Getting
10 people to agree on anything is difficult let alone 200.
Also, the idea
of an assessment is frightening to me. Being at the mercy of others concerning
my out of pocket expenses is very unappealing.
Perhaps the
more reasonable approach is to join an association such as the OCC and utilize
their recommendations and discounts pre-arranged for members at Top-Sail. I am
not sure but, there might be other groups about the world. Or, form a group to
obtain group-rate policies as someone else suggested we can favor one particular
insurance company. However, the latter suggestion has already been pursued by
Bill Rouse to no avail.
One last
thought is licensing. Without valid verification, it might be impossible to
stay in marinas etc. or for those that need it, a mortgage on the vessel.
Just my 2¢
worth.
Regardless of
the outcome of this thread, I would like to see members of this group continue
discussions as they find good options for their Amels.
With best
regards,
Mark
Skipper
Sailing Vessel
- Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently
cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia
www.creampuff.us
From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "karkauai
via groups.io" <karkauai@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Date: Sunday, 17 May 2020 at 3:22 pm To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance Hi All,
Given the insurance problems everyone is having, I thought I'd see if there is enough interest and/or expertise to pursue an AYOG self-insurance program. Pat (Shenanigans) and I have talked about it a little. Here's the gist of what we discussed: 1. A buy-in of some percentage of your boat's value that would be enough to cover the first year. For example, a $300,000 SM owner might pay 2% or $6,000. If we had 200 similar owners, we'd have $1,200,000 to pay out. 2. It would' be a high deductible coverage designed primarily to pay for total loss. Maybe something like 20% of the boat's value. 3. The most common claim would probably be lightening damage, which often amounts to $50,000 or more. Our plan might pay for half of a major claim like that? 4. Boat's would have to be out of the hurricane zones during the season. Any other restrictions? 5. Yearly Assessments could replenish what was paid out Or we could continue to pay in until the principle was self-sustaining. That would require investing the funds and a whole added layer of complexity. 6. A rotating Board of unpaid members would oversee the plan (maybe a LLC?), and an administrator would be hired to do the paperwork. 7. Owners would purchase their own liability insurance. This is all just a very rough framework that can be built on, scrapped and something else adopted, or what ever seems appropriate. Any and all thoughts and suggestions are encouraged. I'm hoping we might have an owner or two that have some insurance or legal expertise to help us understand the potential pitfalls and options available. Thanks for your ideas. Kent Kristy S M 243
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Getting to St Maarten
eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
I have made a reservation to get to St Thomas June 1st. I will then be chartering a powerboat to St Maarten. Once I arrive, I will check all systems and leave the following day. Is there anyone who would also like to get to St Maarten to rescue their boat? We could share the cost of the trip from St Thomas to St Maarten?
Is there anyone trapped in St Maarten who would like to sail back to New York? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
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Re: Mizzen furler gearbox, A54 peculiarity?
Sv Garulfo
Hi, To close the thread: I gave up on trying to unscrew the bottom. It was getting too risky to damage the unit and no one would be impressed with the drama. I think the only difference between the SM and the A54 (later hull numbers) gearboxes is 1. the absence of top screwed lid on the A54 version, 2. The bottom lid holes are not drilled through on the 54. The rest is designed the same. I eventually managed to loosen the bottom part of the internal column. After much fresh water cleaning, the column rotates freely. I drilled the bottom lid holes through. They now act as drains like on the SM. I find that makes more sense. I cleaned the horizontal winch handle shaft and bushing. This is where the stiffness really comes from. I treated the aluminium/stainless steel interface with Tef-Gel. I lightly greased the gears interface with marine grade grease. I left the Delrin balls alone and I’ll monitor how that evolves. Thanks all for your help, Thomas A54-122 Tahuata, French Polynesia
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Re: Insurance
Not wanting to poop on this idea, I am in favor or the concept, but the proposed numbers just do not seem to work.
If I am to contribute 2% of the insured value of my boat, this amount is greater than what I am currently paying for my current company provided insurance (with minimal deductable and liability included).
Just my 2¢ but to think 200 owners would agree to this is IMO a bit of a pipe dream. Getting 10 people to agree on anything is difficult let alone 200.
Also, the idea of an assessment is frightening to me. Being at the mercy of others concerning my out of pocket expenses is very unappealing.
Perhaps the more reasonable approach is to join an association such as the OCC and utilize their recommendations and discounts pre-arranged for members at Top-Sail. I am not sure but, there might be other groups about the world. Or, form a group to obtain group-rate policies as someone else suggested we can favor one particular insurance company. However, the latter suggestion has already been pursued by Bill Rouse to no avail.
One last thought is licensing. Without valid verification, it might be impossible to stay in marinas etc. or for those that need it, a mortgage on the vessel.
Just my 2¢ worth.
Regardless of the outcome of this thread, I would like to see members of this group continue discussions as they find good options for their Amels.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "karkauai
via groups.io" <karkauai@...>
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Re: Starting Capacitor size for a 220v, 50Hz 2.5 kw water maker high pressure motor
Sorry about that. It is actually µF
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote: Thank you BIll,
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Re: Starting Capacitor size for a 220v, 50Hz 2.5 kw water maker high pressure motor
Thank you BIll,
It looks almost identical but mine has a single capacitor with 54 micro F. Yours has 2 of 30 mF in parallel (60 mF). is the m for micro of mili? If it is micro, it is bad news for me because it would mean that my capacitor is OK and the motor is dead. If it is mil, then my capacitor needs to be replaced. Jose SM2K 278
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