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Re: Self Insurance
Porter McRoberts
Could not agree more Mark.
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I gave him Bill Rouses number to discuss. Not sure if they called. Seemed like a reasonable approach. I’m not the best one to lead this charge, but interested as I’m sure most are in any outcome. Porter A54-152
On May 24, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:
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Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54
dear Bill, i do understand how the bulkhead system works, with the waterticht compartments, yet it is not clear to me how to remove water from these compartments, without the aid of a pump.
kind regards, jeroen ( i do realize the drain function from the showers , you need a lot of water before these start .)
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Re: Self Insurance
On a side note, if others are tired of this thread, there is a great feature in this group where topics can be muted. There is a link at the bottom of each email received.
Hi Porter,
I looked at Novamar when renewing our policy a couple of year ago. They made their entrance into the market by selling mostly west coast sailors policies for Mexico. The agent I use and trusts talked very highly of them. He has written tons of Novamar policies. On other forums they are well recommended. We opted not to use them since their underwriter was wary of Pacific Ocean policies and required a crew of three on passages over 1,000 nm (prior approval required). In addition at the time I looked into them they required a full out-of-water survey less than a year old. This added a substantial amount to the cost of a policy change. Otherwise, their insurance rates were reasonable.
My 2 cents – if we are to pursue a group policy, there needs to be a period of enrollment were some rules are waived to encourage sign-up and minimize the cost of change. Also, an understanding Amel owners regularly sail passages over 1,000 nm without the need of crew.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
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Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 1:51 AM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance
All. I spoke to My insurance agent Rob at Novamar. Some of you might know and use them. Specifically they were open to administering the program. They are reinsurers and have been quite capable and responsive in my limited interactions. Additionally they are sailors. Not sure if this would be a way to go.
I am of course interested as well. I think if we’ll done we’d have tremendous interest.
Porter A54-152 ibis.
Excuse the errors. Sent from my IPhone Www.fouribis.net
On May 23, 2020, at 10:38 PM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:
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Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54
sorry, i never said i made holes in the bulkheads .
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Re: Starting Capacitor size for a 220v, 50Hz 2.5 kw water maker high pressure motor
Jose Venegas
After major surgery getting the motor/pump out of the engine room (there was no way I could get the back cover out) I found that after turning the motor by hand IT IS WORKING YEEEA!.
So, Mark you were correct. Now I need to get the motor do some excessive (we all s would do that during this COVID19 time) and I will be getting a newer (larger) capacitor next Monday. As usual, fixing one problem on an old boat usually means you break more part. In my case, the low pressure water inlet fitting to the pump broke in peaces when I tried to remove the hose. So, now I have a piece if the fitting inside the pump that I have to remove with a 1/2 in extractor that I have to buy on Monday together with a new fitting. Well that is the way it is, and I am very happy I don’t have to buy a new motor. (at least I hope so). Tomorrow I will know after I make it exercise for a couple of hours.) Thank you Mark and Amel Group. Jose and Magnolia Ipanema SM2k, 278 Happily stuck in Grenada for another month
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Re: Self Insurance
Porter McRoberts
All.
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I spoke to My insurance agent Rob at Novamar. Some of you might know and use them. Specifically they were open to administering the program. They are reinsurers and have been quite capable and responsive in my limited interactions. Additionally they are sailors. Not sure if this would be a way to go. I am of course interested as well. I think if we’ll done we’d have tremendous interest. Porter A54-152 ibis. Excuse the errors. Sent from my IPhone Www.fouribis.net
On May 23, 2020, at 10:38 PM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:
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Re: Self Insurance
Hi all,
Because we have had very few responses, we think that the uncertainty and amateurish sound of the initial posts has made people leery, and rightfully so. Teun (Amelit A54) and Ken (Aquarious SM 2K) have some insurance knowledge and contacts they think might be able to help us out together a workable hybrid plan. We are taking this discussion private until we have something more concrete to present. If anyone else wants to be in the loop as we discuss options, please let me know by private email. Kent SM243 Kristy
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Re: lowering mainsail
Hi Bill,
"Trying to find a line, bend it on and then .." We have dedicated messenger lines for both main and mizzen halyards in the port side aft cockpit locker ready to go. A size smaller than the actual halyards means the bowline you tie through the loop on the halyard end goes through the mast slot with no real problem. The Amel system certainly serves to reduce the amount of line there is swinging around the masts when sailing. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 - stuck in New Zealand, and me stuck in Australia!
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Re: lowering mainsail
Hi William,
This is not unique for Amel. Oyster, Hallberg Rassy and other do the same for the bigger yachts. If you have 18 meters or more of mast the halyards become very, very long. As you rarely lover the sail anyway the tail of this halyard will be dangling at the base of the mast for almost eternity. This is not very practical. So what you do is you use a half-halyard with a Flemish-eye at the tail side. This eye is used to tie as mouseline to (I'm using 6mm dyneema) if you need to lower the mainsail or genua. This mouse-line sits normally in one of the cockpit lockers and is not used for other purposes. On the Amet 54 you have a special track slider to tension the main halyard once it's up. I think the A55 has a secondary slide for the Genua as well. Kind regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54
Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
Hi Jeroen,
It's not clear to me... where did you run the discharge hose for the new pump? These bilge compartments should always be dry so a high water alarm is usually sufficient for those rare times you have any liquid in there. Key words are "should" and "usually", but in my experience the only liquids have come from leaking provisions. Cheers, Mike Longcor SV Trilogy SM23 Opua, NZ
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Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54
On the topic of Bilge Pumps, what I find a bigger worry is the main bilge-pump can fail because of bad working valves. These are small rubber flaps inside the pump that start their career flat but over time become concave of shape. This can lead to (mainly the output valve) bad closing of this valve resulting in poor or no pumping action. You can replace the valves pretty easy and Amel sells the replacements.
This bilge-pump has a rough life as it needs to pump out quite some litres per day. Making sure you do not flush any solids in the sinks helps of course but I find the absence of a fall-back pump very annoying. There is a sensor that will send out an alarm if the bilge is over-flowing but it's position is not great to say the least. The water level will be quite high before that thing sends off an alarm. When the alarm sounds you will need to operate the manual bilge-pump as soon as you can and you will need to pump quite a lot of water overboard before the level is back to acceptable levels. Because of this I recently installed a secondary electric bilge pump with it's own solid state sensor next to the bilge-pit. The sensor sits at the top of the bilge-pit, so it will start the secondary pump before the pit overflows. It also has an alarm connected to the circuit to notify us about the problem. At least if now the primary pump fails I'm not forced to use the manual pump unless there is a huge ingress of water for whatever reason. Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: lowering mainsail
Since the main and mizzen are in-mast furling sails and rarely dropped, having short halyards for the main and mizzen reduces line clutter on the deck. It is actually simple to use a messenger for both. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html
On Sat, May 23, 2020, 5:33 PM william reynolds <sail23692@...> wrote: I've looked at all the old topics concerning dropping the furling mainsail and found a lot of 'what was Amel thinking'? on the length of the main halyard. I've sailed many, many boats in my life but have never seen a furling main that could not be lowered with the installed halyard. One of the times you would w ant to lower it would be because of a mainsail failure/jam and it's probably going to be in adverse conditions. Trying to find a line, bend it on and then attempt to lower the main these conditions is not a safe prudent solution. Why did they do this? What was the reasoning and rational? Any reasonable answers?
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Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54
Hi Jeroen, Personally I’m thinking to put an alarm on the dipstick to signal overfilling. That would prevent the overflow in the first place.
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Re: Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower
Hi Jeroen,
Access to the area under the shower requires extreme agility. You can also remove the airconditioner to get slightly better access. The floorboard just in front of the housing of the A/C gives you limited access but you will need to execute a Lambada dance for it. You said it’s fresh water, my guess is the condensation drain for the A/C is playing havoc. You can remove the wooden cover of the A/C pretty easy, 4 screws. If your shower is leaking the smell will tell you ... This is also the place where salt water will go if your rudder gland is leaking. Regards, Arno Luijten, SV Luna, A54-121
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lowering mainsail
william reynolds
I've looked at all the old topics concerning dropping the furling mainsail and found a lot of 'what was Amel thinking'? on the length of the main halyard. I've sailed many, many boats in my life but have never seen a furling main that could not be lowered with the installed halyard. One of the times you would w ant to lower it would be because of a mainsail failure/jam and it's probably going to be in adverse conditions. Trying to find a line, bend it on and then attempt to lower the main these conditions is not a safe prudent solution. Why did they do this? What was the reasoning and rational? Any reasonable answers?
Bill Reynolds - CloudStreet
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Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54
It is a shame you have altered the integrity of your vessel by holing the bulkheads. A better approach would have been to install water alarms in the compartments. These are available for about US$12.00
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff www.creampuff.us
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeroen jeltes
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 10:47 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] no bilgepump in saloon Am54
Ref Fidelis Am54 bno.118 . We already experienced a small accident wilst filling the freshwater tank ; the tank overflow comes from the dipstick hole wich results in 200L+ water in your bilgelockers ! Now i have installed an emergency 24V pump with 3m hose in the bilgelocker underneath the stairs.
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Re: Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower
I don’t think you will find the leak to be at the hose connections for the shower drain. It is more likely the shower pan is leaking the edges. Look closely at the area where the pan joins the bulkheads.
Also on the SM53 the aft AC unit can overflow into the area under the shower if the condensation drain for the unit becomes clogged. (not sure of the 54 and the placement of the aft AC unit if this can occur).
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
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Behalf Of Jeroen jeltes
ref Amel 54 bno 118 Fidelis, now in quarantine in Aruba, so
plenty of time to do jobs.
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Re: Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower
Hi Jeroen,
How can you tell there is (fresh) water underneath the Master shower?
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
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On Behalf Of Jeroen jeltes via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 13:35 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower
ref Amel 54 bno 118 Fidelis, now in quarantine in Aruba, so plenty of time to do jobs.
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Re: Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower
The whole point of water tight bulkheads is to prevent water from flowing between the compartments..
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Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54
Jeroen, Respectfully, you do not understand the basics of Amel watertight bulkheads. The next time that you are in port or at anchor near another Amel, introduce yourself to the owner and ask him to explain this to you. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html
On Sat, May 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Jeroen jeltes <j.jeltes@...> wrote:
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