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Re: SM Outhaul troubleshooting

Kaplan,Andre
 

Daniel and Lori
Where can I find posts on rebuilding mainsail outhaul motor and gearbox?

Andre Kaplan
Renaissance 2000
Mango 7188
Westbrook, CT


On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:44 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


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Dan,

Sent you a private message. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 7:15 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Hi all, on our last passage I popped the breaker on the mainsail Outhaul a couple times. I disconnected the motor from the Outhaul and was able to reset the breaker and actuate the motor, but the when reconnected it it popped the breaker again.  Now I can't reset the breaker.  1) I've have found lots of posts on removing and rebuilding the outhaul gearbox and motor and plan to do that to get to the source of why, but 2) I would also like some suggestions for trouble shooting and checking through all of the electrical connections to make sure that I don't have other issues there.  

Thanks and regards, Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387

Re: SM Outhaul troubleshooting

CW Bill Rouse
 

Dan,

Sent you a private message. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 7:15 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Hi all, on our last passage I popped the breaker on the mainsail Outhaul a couple times. I disconnected the motor from the Outhaul and was able to reset the breaker and actuate the motor, but the when reconnected it it popped the breaker again.  Now I can't reset the breaker.  1) I've have found lots of posts on removing and rebuilding the outhaul gearbox and motor and plan to do that to get to the source of why, but 2) I would also like some suggestions for trouble shooting and checking through all of the electrical connections to make sure that I don't have other issues there.  

Thanks and regards, Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387

Re: Onan does not start

Peter Forbes
 

Barry,

Can you send photo of where these relays are and what value are they?

Peter

Peter Forbes
Carango Amel 54 #035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 3 Jun 2020, at 13:30, Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Hi Paul,
I am not very good with electric parts but I had a similar problem.
No click from the starter but I did hear a whish noise from behind the control panel. I took them out and put them back in, when pressing down on one the Onan started.  I replaced both relays and all then started and worked.

Best

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 


On Jun 3, 2020, at 06:24, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:



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My Onan is totally dead nothing happened when trying to star not a slightest click. I have measured 12,8 volt between +on the starter and minus on the alternator, but only about 4 volt between + on the starter an - I believe it is on the starter see attached photo the same reading 4 v between plus on the starter and the ground strap.
I assume the reading should be 12,8 and not 4 volt?
Any idea where to start searching?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259, Lagos, Portugal sykerpa.com
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Re: Onan does not start

Barry Connor
 

Hi Paul,
I am not very good with electric parts but I had a similar problem.
No click from the starter but I did hear a whish noise from behind the control panel. I took them out and put them back in, when pressing down on one the Onan started.  I replaced both relays and all then started and worked.

Best

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 


On Jun 3, 2020, at 06:24, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:



[Edited Message Follows]

My Onan is totally dead nothing happened when trying to star not a slightest click. I have measured 12,8 volt between +on the starter and minus on the alternator, but only about 4 volt between + on the starter an - I believe it is on the starter see attached photo the same reading 4 v between plus on the starter and the ground strap.
I assume the reading should be 12,8 and not 4 volt?
Any idea where to start searching?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259, Lagos, Portugal sykerpa.com
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Re: Amel decal

Arlo
 

I would like a set as well please
Re: Onan does not start

CW Bill Rouse
 

You should check the negative and positive start solenoids and the wire connectors to these. 

Most of the time it is the negative solenoid. The second most common cause is the connection between where the start battery negative wire connects to the terminal on the outside left of the Onan and the connection to the negative solenoid. 

You can check both of these using a jumper cable between where the start battery negative terminal connects to the Onan and, first, to the battery-side of the solenoid. This will check the wire and connections. Next, then from the start battery negative connotation terminal on the Onan to the other side of the solenoid. That will check the wire, connections, and solenoid. Use CorrosionX on all connections.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 5:24 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

My Onan is totally dead nothing happened when trying to star not a slightest click. I have measured 12,8 volt between +on the starter and minus on the alternator, but only about 4 volt between + on the starter an - I believe it is on the starter see attached photo the same reading 4 v between plus on the starter and the ground strap.
I assume the reading should be 12,8 and not 4 volt?
Any idea where to start searching?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259, Lagos, Portugal sykerpa.com

SM Outhaul troubleshooting

Dan Carlson
 

Hi all, on our last passage I popped the breaker on the mainsail Outhaul a couple times. I disconnected the motor from the Outhaul and was able to reset the breaker and actuate the motor, but the when reconnected it it popped the breaker again.  Now I can't reset the breaker.  1) I've have found lots of posts on removing and rebuilding the outhaul gearbox and motor and plan to do that to get to the source of why, but 2) I would also like some suggestions for trouble shooting and checking through all of the electrical connections to make sure that I don't have other issues there.  

Thanks and regards, Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387
Re: Hi- I made it to St Maarten.

Jacob Champness
 

Wow.  When I took that flight in the other direction on a Puerto Rico Air National Guard AC-130 after Irma, it took over an hour!
Onan does not start

Paul Osterberg
 
Edited

My Onan is totally dead nothing happened when trying to star not a slightest click. I have measured 12,8 volt between +on the starter and minus on the alternator, but only about 4 volt between + on the starter an - I believe it is on the starter see attached photo the same reading 4 v between plus on the starter and the ground strap.
I assume the reading should be 12,8 and not 4 volt?
Any idea where to start searching?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259, Lagos, Portugal sykerpa.com
Re: Genoa Swivel - position + binding connection to the genoa top loop - Amel 54

Laurens Vos
 

Bill,

Thanks for the link to the video. Now I got a good idea how the system works. 
Very smart solution !  I didn't know this existed.
It's a shame we don't have the split poles anymore on the 54 because that was very easy system to set up. 
On our 54 we now use the Parasailor. But for a short handed crew I think the genoa/ballooner system is safer because it can be rolled in a second in case of a squall (specially at night)
Drawback with the twin sails is the rolling of the boat and the necessity to sail almost dead downwind. 
Hi- I made it to St Maarten.

eric freedman
 

We will haul Wednesday for an out of water survey. Then back to Island Water World marina for provisions etc.

I hope to leave Thursday 2 PM bridge for St Thomas to pick up my crew

Then straight back to NY.


I took the shortest commercial flight I have ever taken on a large Jet Blue Jet.

Puerto Rico to St Maarten--- 12 MINUTES flying time.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376
Re: Keel rust and ballast straps on a Maramu

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Jacob
I put double sided tape (3M) into the socket. The nut sticked in it quite well until it was on. 
Ruedi Waldispuehl
WASABI A54. #55

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Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Keel rust and ballast straps on a Maramu

Thanks Miles!

How did you avoid dropping the nut out of the socket when you removed it with the long extensions?

Is that attachment point at the top something you added, or is it original?

Jacob

Re: Amel decal

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Steve,
Should be ok - let's take this off-line - please email me at CraigBriggs001@... (CraigBriggs001 at gmail dot com).
Thanks,
Craig
Re: SM Anodes especification #replacement

CW Bill Rouse
 

Ryan,

I do not know. I believe it was a SM2k anode bolt that I measured. Of course, I did not measure a wide range of production years. And with the increasing age of the SM, it is impossible to rule out some owner modification. I do remember that I had to drill-out anodes bought in the US.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 11:27 AM Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote:
Is it possible the size of the bolt changed between the SM and SM2000?  Our anode bolts measure 9.84mm x 40.5mm.  It's not imperial, because it's too big to be 3/8".  It's exactly in spec for M10.  I haven't seen or heard any evidence our boat has been modified in this respect.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 11:12 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
I recommend US R7 Anode (zinc 7" diameter). In Europe use a 127mm anode. An M12 bolt is used to secure the anode.

Bill
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 10:06 AM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
SORRY R6

On June 2, 2020 at 11:05 AM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I have been using the R^.
Fair Winds,
Eric
sm Kimberlite

On June 2, 2020 at 10:55 AM Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote:

Hi Jose,

If yours are the same as ours, they're 125 mm diameter with a hole for an M10 bolt (11 mm hole).  In the US, they're available from BoatZincs, where for some reason they're marketed specifically for Azimut boats, but they're the perfect size for us.  The R5 is almost the right size as well, but being imperial, the hole is slightly too small and must be drilled out -- lots of people do this, but it's a pain when you can just get the right ones.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 6:47 AM JOSE PRIETO < prietomd11@...> wrote:
Hi Amelians,

It's my first time to change the anodes in my SM.
I couldn't find the specification on Amel manual.
Any suggestion?

--
Jose Prieto
SV Wayag, SM 323
Currently Alicante, Spain


 

 

 

Re: Amel decal

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Craig,

I would love to get a set, as mine are starting to look a bit shabby. I’m still in Hawaii for about 2 weeks, and if you can get them to me in that time frame, please let me know ASAP. 


Thanks,
Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Ko Olina, Hawaii
Re: SM Anodes especification #replacement

Ryan Meador
 

Is it possible the size of the bolt changed between the SM and SM2000?  Our anode bolts measure 9.84mm x 40.5mm.  It's not imperial, because it's too big to be 3/8".  It's exactly in spec for M10.  I haven't seen or heard any evidence our boat has been modified in this respect.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 11:12 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
I recommend US R7 Anode (zinc 7" diameter). In Europe use a 127mm anode. An M12 bolt is used to secure the anode.

Bill
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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View My Training Calendar
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 10:06 AM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
SORRY R6

On June 2, 2020 at 11:05 AM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I have been using the R^.
Fair Winds,
Eric
sm Kimberlite

On June 2, 2020 at 10:55 AM Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote:

Hi Jose,

If yours are the same as ours, they're 125 mm diameter with a hole for an M10 bolt (11 mm hole).  In the US, they're available from BoatZincs, where for some reason they're marketed specifically for Azimut boats, but they're the perfect size for us.  The R5 is almost the right size as well, but being imperial, the hole is slightly too small and must be drilled out -- lots of people do this, but it's a pain when you can just get the right ones.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 6:47 AM JOSE PRIETO < prietomd11@...> wrote:
Hi Amelians,

It's my first time to change the anodes in my SM.
I couldn't find the specification on Amel manual.
Any suggestion?

--
Jose Prieto
SV Wayag, SM 323
Currently Alicante, Spain


 

 

 

Re: SM Anodes especification #replacement

CW Bill Rouse
 

I recommend US R7 Anode (zinc 7" diameter). In Europe use a 127mm anode. An M12 bolt is used to secure the anode.

Bill
image.jpeg
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
image.png
image.png
 
image.png
View My Training Calendar
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 10:06 AM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
SORRY R6

On June 2, 2020 at 11:05 AM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I have been using the R^.
Fair Winds,
Eric
sm Kimberlite

On June 2, 2020 at 10:55 AM Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote:

Hi Jose,

If yours are the same as ours, they're 125 mm diameter with a hole for an M10 bolt (11 mm hole).  In the US, they're available from BoatZincs, where for some reason they're marketed specifically for Azimut boats, but they're the perfect size for us.  The R5 is almost the right size as well, but being imperial, the hole is slightly too small and must be drilled out -- lots of people do this, but it's a pain when you can just get the right ones.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 6:47 AM JOSE PRIETO < prietomd11@...> wrote:
Hi Amelians,

It's my first time to change the anodes in my SM.
I couldn't find the specification on Amel manual.
Any suggestion?

--
Jose Prieto
SV Wayag, SM 323
Currently Alicante, Spain


 

 

 

Re: Bonding Strap

eric freedman
 


On June 2, 2020 at 11:02 AM eric <kimberlite@...> wrote:

If you search back in the archives about 15 years ago there was a post of the measurements and bends of the strap. The thicker the better for that strap.
I cut off the top of the corroded strap with wires connected and soldered and bolted the top of the old strap to the new one. It has been good now for 15 years.
It is easiest to use blue tape to connect the extension bars for the socket wrench and also tape the nut of the keel bolt to the 30 mm socket.
Eric SM Kimberlite

On June 2, 2020 at 10:12 AM "Patrick McAneny via groups.io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Oliver, I found a 2" x 1./8"  X 60 " long flat copper bar at McMaster Carr for like $85 ,which should do the job nicely.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 9:14 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bonding Strap

Hello, 

It might be better to oversize the new strap.

A flattened 1" plumming copper pipe will do the job.

I would also install the upper end where you fix the bonding cables 10" higher so that they are less likly touched by any water. 

Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54#39 
Martinique 

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020, 07:00 Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32= aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I would like to purchase a copper strap to replace the original bonding strap. I looked in the files but could not find the original size used by Amel. Could someone provide me the width ,thickness and length of the strap.
Thank You,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

 


 
Re: Genoa Swivel - position + binding connection to the genoa top loop - Amel 54

CW Bill Rouse
 

Laurens,

Very few 54s had the second pole + ballooner option, although I believe all of the 54s had the genoa foil and swivel needed for the twin pole/ballooner.

This video of a SM may help you visualize the system. The 54 poles are full length rather than 2-part SM poles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqNF1ggKGRw

Bill
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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 3:19 AM Laurens Vos <laurensrineke@...> wrote:
Hi Arno,

You mean that on can rise and lower the ballooner separate from the genoa ? Which mean that when the genoa is up and flying. 
On our Mango we used the ballooner on ocean crossings but we used the same halyard so needed to rise and bring them down together. 
I only can't figure out how the way you describe it. 

Best regards
Laurens 

Amel 54 - Fun@Sea 
Re: SM Anodes especification #replacement

eric freedman
 

SORRY R6

On June 2, 2020 at 11:05 AM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I have been using the R^.
Fair Winds,
Eric
sm Kimberlite

On June 2, 2020 at 10:55 AM Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote:

Hi Jose,

If yours are the same as ours, they're 125 mm diameter with a hole for an M10 bolt (11 mm hole).  In the US, they're available from BoatZincs, where for some reason they're marketed specifically for Azimut boats, but they're the perfect size for us.  The R5 is almost the right size as well, but being imperial, the hole is slightly too small and must be drilled out -- lots of people do this, but it's a pain when you can just get the right ones.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 6:47 AM JOSE PRIETO < prietomd11@...> wrote:
Hi Amelians,

It's my first time to change the anodes in my SM.
I couldn't find the specification on Amel manual.
Any suggestion?

--
Jose Prieto
SV Wayag, SM 323
Currently Alicante, Spain


 

 

 

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