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Re: Mizzen furler
Patrick McAneny
Danny, I thought you once before suggested in a previous post to flush a swivel at the top of the mast, and I assumed there must be a swivel at the very top of the mast to keep the foil centered ,but maybe not. Ok then I will flush it well and see if that does the trick. Sorry I misunderstood what you were referring to ,first time around.
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123
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From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Tue, Jun 9, 2020 9:33 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Mizzen furler Yes Pat that is the one I was referring to
Regards
Danny
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Re: Mizzen furler
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Yes Pat that is the one I was referring to Regards Danny
On 10 June 2020 at 08:28 "Patrick McAneny via groups.io" <sailw32@...> wrote:
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Re: D60 24v Dessalator Solenoid Connections
Ryan Meador
Hi Mark, I think if you look closely, you'll see that the 4 connections are in pairs, so electrically it only has two. I imagine the order doesn't matter as long as the wires are attached to different pairs. On ours (photo attached), the blue wire is on the left and the brown wire is on the right. Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration Boston, MA, USA
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 7:12 PM Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:
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Re: D60 24v Dessalator Solenoid Connections
Thomas Peacock
Here are some shots from when I was working on my 24 V pump earlier this year:
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D60 24v Dessalator Solenoid Connections
Hi Everyone,
I did something a little bit stupid. When working in the engine room, I pressed against the 24v pump for the fresh water maker. When I did, the two wires pulled away from the solenoid and I have no idea which terminals are used for the re-connection.
Could somebody with a D60 24v Dessalator water maker take a look please and let me know the correct way to connect the wires. Many thanks!
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
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Re: Prepping Onan for short-medium term non-use?
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Scott;
It is nice to hear you have had such success with the conversion to Lithium. We will be doing the same in the next battery change.
I would consider running the generator periodically under 80% load (I would say once a week) for about an hour. Although winterizing is helpful in extending the life of a diesel engine and all related mechanical components, while in storage, lack of operation can be very detrimental to the longevity. Running the engine helps to lubricate the internal components and prevent rust and corrosion.
Also, when on any type of passage, Amel recommends running the generator and the engine at least once a day, to prevent sea water from working its way back into the cylinders through the exhaust.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 1:20 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Prepping Onan for short-medium term non-use?
We have the Onan 11kw on our A54 and after fixing the solar wiring (bad install), we are finding that we don't need to use the generator anymore here in sunny Maui.
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Re: Mizzen furler
Patrick McAneny
Danny , Its not the top swivel that is the problem, its is the swivel/car which pulls up the sail that is having a problem. I suppose I will first flush it out well before I take it apart and see if that helps.
Thanks,
Pat
SM #123
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From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Tue, Jun 9, 2020 4:17 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Mizzen furler Hi Pat,
before you start any disassembly try this. Lower the sail and flush the swivel with copious quantities of fresh water. Despite the fact it is at the top of the mast it will have salt in it and this is a common cause of the symptoms you have. As to the manual mizzen furler gear box mine was getting so tight I feared causing damage while turning the winch handle.. I took the fiber collar off the input shaft and squirted fresh water in vigorously. I then did the same to the gearbox top and bottom. I left the gearbox and the swivel to dry out on a sunny day and then sprayed both with silicon. Now the mizzen launches with a tug on the out haul line. No turning of the gearbox by hand the sail goes out brrrrrrrrt. The swivels on the main and head sail need the same treatment. Because they are operated electrically we are not so aware of the friction. Breakers popping during operation can be a symptom, as is the foil on the mainsail fracturing. Likewise bending of the horns on the headsail furler although there are other causes for that as well.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
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Prepping Onan for short-medium term non-use?
Scott SV Tengah
We have the Onan 11kw on our A54 and after fixing the solar wiring (bad install), we are finding that we don't need to use the generator anymore here in sunny Maui.
In the 6 weeks since we have been stationary, the generator has not been used at all despite running the dishwasher, washing machine, water maker, water heater, icemaker, etc. daily. Given Covid - I have no idea how long we will be here. At what point do I need to consider preparing the generator for non-use / wintering? Since we bought her, we have lived aboard full-time save for one month last summer, so we haven't really had to winterize anything yet. I considered running fresh water through the SW circuit, but wouldn't that passivate the heat exchanger zinc? Thoughts on how long we can just leave the Onan unused without active winterization measures? -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: Mizzen furler
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Pat, before you start any disassembly try this. Lower the sail and flush the swivel with copious quantities of fresh water. Despite the fact it is at the top of the mast it will have salt in it and this is a common cause of the symptoms you have. As to the manual mizzen furler gear box mine was getting so tight I feared causing damage while turning the winch handle.. I took the fiber collar off the input shaft and squirted fresh water in vigorously. I then did the same to the gearbox top and bottom. I left the gearbox and the swivel to dry out on a sunny day and then sprayed both with silicon. Now the mizzen launches with a tug on the out haul line. No turning of the gearbox by hand the sail goes out brrrrrrrrt. The swivels on the main and head sail need the same treatment. Because they are operated electrically we are not so aware of the friction. Breakers popping during operation can be a symptom, as is the foil on the mainsail fracturing. Likewise bending of the horns on the headsail furler although there are other causes for that as well. Kind Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: Mizzen furler
Ofcourse I remember you and Diana!!
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Talked to Jonas and he think that the mizzen and the one on the main is similar. But it sounds like you have managed to take it down now. Regards to Diana! Regards Ann-Sofie & Jonas S/Y Lady Annila SM232, 1998.
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Re: Need help in Palma
Doug Smith
Thanks, I appreciate the ideas. I searched the SSCA, of which I am a member, and there are no hosts in Palma. A couple of hosts in the Canaries, but no one in the Balearics. Don’t post on Tran-ocean.org. This is a pretty fluid situation, and I spoke with the crew a few minutes ago, and have them staying another 24 hours. The shipping company is telling me the ship is upright and they have unloaded most of the ships. I am hopeful for more clarity by morning local time. We are most concerned that if we change out crew, it will mess up the loading and customs for the ship transport. If there was a fellow owner, stuck in Palma, it would make sense to switch out crew, but trying to identify and find a new crew on short notice (hopefully) might be worse.
Doug Smith S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113 Currently Palma
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Re: Converting my Amel 54 to lithium batteries: what I did, what I like and what I don't like (after one year of full time live aboard use)
Scott SV Tengah
Jamie,
Good to hear it's working out for you. Have you tried to run AC all night on battery yet? We draw 25-35% if we run just aft AC overnight. For your Mastervolt alternator regulator, I had the same problem and solved it with a solid state relay and two Hella relays. See #50689 We charge with 200amps nominal (120a Quattro + 80 a Skylla) and only see high temperatures at the very end of charging (95% SOC +) or if one of the cells is severely imbalanced relative to the rest of the cells in the battery. Note that this imbalance shows up as a voltage difference, but due to the flat charge/discharge curve of lithium, you won't notice it until 90%+ SOC. Can you monitor cell level voltage? With the Victron batteries, you can connect via bluetooth and do just that. Also I'm surprised you can't change charging current via VictronConnect on your PC. I typically connect to my Quattro using ethernet, but I connect to my solar controller via bluetooth (from my Mac) and can change everything via bluetooth. Keep in mind that you will need to revise how you think about SOC and longevity. Lithiums do NOT like being kept anywhere near full. I try to cycle mine between 40-85% (ideally no more than 80%) SOC and then charge it up to 100% once a month to balance out the cells, since balancing only occurs on the Victrons when they're nearly full. Independent literature indicates I'll get over 5000 cycles doing this. I know some who take it between 10-100% SOC daily and have been fine for a few years, FYI. Monthly charging to 100% also resets the BMV-712 battery monitor. Not sure which BM you have, but don't forget to change the settings on it to match lithium. Of course, you MUST set all the chargers to lithium profiles otherwise you will kill the batteries very quickly. So you've been thinking about charging cutoffs - how do you deal with low voltage cutoff? As mentioned in that post, I opted not to use the BatteryProtect, which would disconnect loads when there's a cell low voltage condition, but rather I'm trying to get the Victron charger/inverter to trigger the generator to start when cell low voltage and/or low SOC is encountered. Sounds like you're an engineer - want to help figure that out? :) -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: Mizzen furler
Patrick McAneny
Gary, I have removed the gear box and with the swivel in hand it will only rotate to a point and then there is resistant and requires effort to get it past that point,once past it turns freely almost 360 degrees and stops again until I force it by the spot. It must be an internal problem ,probably a bearing ,don't know what else it could be. I am just going to give the gearbox a good soak and spray some lub into it.
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123
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From: Gary Silver via groups.io <garysilver@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Tue, Jun 9, 2020 1:04 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Mizzen furler Hi Pat:
It is unclear to me what you are referring to when you say, "the problem is in the swivel part of the fuller". Are you unable to crank the winch handle drive more than 360 degrees? Have you verified that something isn't holding the foil (attached to the gearbox with a bolt) from turning? Please see this file and read it completely, https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/filessearch?q=mizzen+furler before proceeding. The most common cause (in my experience) for difficulty turning the mizzen furling is due to "crud" build up of salt and debris on the winch handle drive-shaft within the bore of the mizzen mast. When I was re-assembling the mizzen gearbox (having discovered that dis-assembly was completely un-necessary) I found that if the gearbox shaft (item #10 in the exploded parts diagram in my file noted above) wasn't completely seated then the bevel gears would bind. Perhaps your shaft has backed out slightly causing this binding effect. I doubt that, but it is worth investigating. THERE IS NO GREASE IN THE MIZZEN FURLING GEAR BOX!!! I suppose it is possible that there is broken tooth on the bevel gears that might lock things up but you can inspect for that by viewing the gears through the mounting bolt hole on the side of the gearbox (where the bolts that hold in the mast go). Look at the file, separate the foil from the gearbox to assure the foil isn't binding, remove the gearbox from the mast taking care to note the order of the washers and spacers, inspect for broken teeth on the gears, remove, clean and re-install the shaft for the winch handle and only then if you still have trouble disassemble the gearbox. That disassembly is a huge job and will yield minimal results (watched Brian on Delos do that job and destroy the end of the gearbox, requiring new parts to be machined). Any other questions or clarification don't hesitate to give me a call 801-543-5801. All the best, Gary S. SIlver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Puerto Del Rey, Puerto Rico
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Re: Need help in Palma
Hello Doug, If you don't mind I could post your message in trans-ocean.org . This is a german / international organisation with more than 5000 members. We have many people all over the world who could help. Membership is only 60 € per year and many marinas will give you 10% rebate. Seeing the pictures I expect a delay for you for weeks. You may perhaps think about of sailing the Med. and sail to US next year. My situation is opposite to yours - can't get to Fort Lauderdale from Germany and sail her back to the Med. Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162
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Re: Need help in Palma
Are you a member of SSCA (Seven Seas Cruising Association) or OCC (Ocean Cruising Club)? I believe they each have "hosts" in Mallorca. I used these hosts to solve issues around the world. The outcome was always favorable. Bill
Hey Fellow Amel owners. My wife and I are the new owners of Aventura, Amel 54-113. We purchased in Nov 2019, and began moving from Greece to Gibraltar and planned winter crossing in Feb/March to US. As many of you have also faced, we were restricted on traveling, and remain locked out of Europe. Our boat was in Gibraltar for 5 months, and so we arranged for a shipping company to transport her to US, which was scheduled to begin this week.
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Re: Mizzen furler
Hi Pat:
It is unclear to me what you are referring to when you say, "the problem is in the swivel part of the furler". Are you unable to crank the winch handle drive more than 360 degrees? Have you verified that something isn't holding the foil (attached to the gearbox with a bolt) from turning? Please see this file and read it completely, https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/filessearch?q=mizzen+furler The file you are looking for is: "Amel – Super Maramu 2000 – Mizzen Furling Gearbox Overhaul Final.doc" before proceeding. The most common cause (in my experience) for difficulty turning the mizzen furling is due to "crud" build up of salt and debris on the winch handle drive-shaft within the bore of the mizzen mast. When I was re-assembling the mizzen gearbox (having discovered that dis-assembly was completely un-necessary) I found that if the gearbox shaft (item #10 in the exploded parts diagram in my file noted above) wasn't completely seated then the bevel gears would bind. Perhaps your shaft has backed out slightly causing this binding effect. I doubt that, but it is worth investigating. THERE IS NO GREASE IN THE MIZZEN FURLING GEAR BOX!!! I suppose it is possible that there is broken tooth on the bevel gears that might lock things up but you can inspect for that by viewing the gears through the mounting bolt hole on the side of the gearbox (where the bolts that hold in the mast go). Look at the file, separate the foil from the gearbox to assure the foil isn't binding, remove the gearbox from the mast taking care to note the order of the washers and spacers, inspect for broken teeth on the gears, remove, clean and re-install the shaft for the winch handle and only then if you still have trouble disassemble the gearbox. That disassembly is a huge job and will yield minimal results (watched Brian on Delos do that job and destroy the end of the gearbox, requiring new parts to be machined). Any other questions or clarification don't hesitate to give me a call 801-543-5801. All the best, Gary S. SIlver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Puerto Del Rey, Puerto Rico
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Need help in Palma
Doug Smith
Hey Fellow Amel owners. My wife and I are the new owners of Aventura, Amel 54-113. We purchased in Nov 2019, and began moving from Greece to Gibraltar and planned winter crossing in Feb/March to US. As many of you have also faced, we were restricted on traveling, and remain locked out of Europe. Our boat was in Gibraltar for 5 months, and so we arranged for a shipping company to transport her to US, which was scheduled to begin this week.
Since we were also unable to get into Gibraltar, we hired a crew to move her to Palma where loading would occur on a transport ship. Unfortunately, or fortunately, we were about an hour from loading, when the transport ship lost electrical power and its compartments on the starboard side flooded. The ship needed tugs to keep it from flipping over in the harbour. I am just glad we were not already loading, or tied up next to one of those massive ships, crushing ours. The problem now is I have a paid crew just sitting in Palma and cost about 1000 pounds per day. I am wondering if there are any fellow Amel owners in Palma, who could assist with moving the sailboat Aventura across the harbour, which would allow me to relieve the crew. I am not sure yet when they will allow for loading, but am hoping it will be in the next 48 hours. But that is still up in the air, since currently, the tugs are still keeping the transport ship from flipping. Even if you know of a captain who lives in Palma, that would lbe helpful. Looking for any assistance, Thanks, Doug Aventura, 54-113, in Palma, very far away from me.
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Re: Mizzen furler
Patrick McAneny
Ann-Sofie, I am guessing that is the same one documented in Bill's book and it was the furler/swivel for the genoa .I saw that and thus saw that a plug needs to be removed allowing the bearings out in order to separate the parts . It appears that the mizzen swivel is of the same design. Diane and I met you and Jonas probably five or so years ago in Prickly Bay ,hope you guys are doing well. Diane showed me your new interior,looks great.
Thanks ,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
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From: Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg <ann-sofie@...> To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Sent: Tue, Jun 9, 2020 9:48 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Mizzen furler There is a document in the file section with a lot of pictures when we renovated our svivel.
Hälsningar
Ann-Sofie Svanberg
S/Y Lady Annila SM232, 1998
9 juni 2020 kl. 14:23 skrev Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1@...>:
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Re: Mizzen furler
There is a document in the file section with a lot of pictures when we renovated our svivel.
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Hälsningar Ann-Sofie Svanberg S/Y Lady Annila SM232, 1998
9 juni 2020 kl. 14:23 skrev Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1@...>:
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Re: Mizzen furler
Okay Pat I miss understood If there’s Nothing caught in there than you probably do need to replace a bearing
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