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Re: crappy job ahead of me....... santorin waste pipe

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Eric,

We have been wrestling with holding tank issues for years, latest these past few months. There are numerous posts (maybe 300) on these issues on the bulletin board going back over the past 15 years. Some of which may be relevant to you. Take the time to understand the holding tank configuration you have and evolve you plan of attack after reading the relevant postings. This is a repair you would prefer to make once and be permanent. Your hull number would be useful to others who may offer advice.

I would suggest removing the deck plate and taking a look inside your tank to understand its internal condition before doing anything. I did this at night and hung a light inside so I could see well and took some pictures.

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240, Rock Hall, MD

 

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Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 7:13 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] crappy job ahead of me....... santorin waste pipe

 

well i have some crappy news...turns out my holding tank pipe is leaking. It is not the hose clamps. What are my options here..this is a santorin. Removal of the wall is pretty straight fwd i believe.


Re: Skarki Headspace / Celing Height

Ros Corcoran <roscorcoran@...>
 

Hi Guys,

I am late to the party but I have the same questions as MATTHIAS, thank you very much for the already very useful measurements.

I am wondering the headroom in the head and also in the aft cabin and forward cabin?

I find it hard to measure those heights from the PDF.

Thank you


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

 

My response in red:
Jamie,
Your 12V pump is looking for about 4A supply at 12V according to its specs. The system is designed to operate with a pump supply current of 1- 1.2A at 12V. I suspect you have damaged your 51385 module. I don't think so. It is the Danfoss Compressor controller that has the limit. If you have an LED alarm you will get 2 Blinks with "Excessive load on fan terminals, above 0.7amps." Remember the voltage for the 51385 comes from the Danfoss Compressor controller. See schematic below with 1 Danfoss circled and also snips from the manual :
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Scott,
Did you ever connect a different 12V pump from the specified pump by Frigidaire ? Maybe your 51385 is also fried.
Above
Arno,
I agree with your description.

Jamie,
I suggest to buy the correct pump, and with a 'working' 51385 (operating at 12V) everything should be fine.
Agree
Using the correct 24V pump, the pump is safe under fault conditions, so you won't damage the pump if the voltage regulation on the 51385 fails. The 24V pump operates on a lighter duty than a 12V pump operating at full tilt. This extends its life and makes it quieter.

Just need to be careful with specs about the pumps. Veco rebadge the Flojet 24V pump as a '12V pump' for continuous duty at half the flow rate.
This can be very confusing when discussing the pump, or trying to replace it with a different one.
Agree
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:04 PM Dean Gillies <stella@...> wrote:
Jamie,
Your 12V pump is looking for about 4A supply at 12V according to its specs. The system is designed to operate with a pump supply current of 1- 1.2A at 12V. I suspect you have damaged your 51385 module. 

Scott,
Did you ever connect a different 12V pump from the specified pump by Frigidaire ? Maybe your 51385 is also fried.

Arno,
I agree with your description.

Jamie,
I suggest to buy the correct pump, and with a 'working' 51385 (operating at 12V) everything should be fine.

Using the correct 24V pump, the pump is safe under fault conditions, so you won't damage the pump if the voltage regulation on the 51385 fails. The 24V pump operates on a lighter duty than a 12V pump operating at full tilt. This extends its life and makes it quieter.

Just need to be careful with specs about the pumps. Veco rebadge the Flojet 24V pump as a '12V pump' for continuous duty at half the flow rate.
This can be very confusing when discussing the pump, or trying to replace it with a different one.

Fun and games indeed!

Dean

X




crappy job ahead of me....... santorin waste pipe

Eric Meury
 

well i have some crappy news...turns out my holding tank pipe is leaking. It is not the hose clamps. What are my options here...this is a santorin. Removal of the wall is pretty straight fwd i believe.


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Porter McRoberts
 

My controller also only puts out 24v. So I use 24v pumps only. And the controllers are no longer available says costal climate. But... pretty easy to build a 3 solenoid relay and a step down converter 24v-12v. That’s all that controller is. It would cost pennies.
Anyone done something similar?

On a separate note, what’s broken in the controller? Is there a manual override to force 12v? Could it be rewired? Fixed? Anyone taken one apart?

Lastly, just step down the 24v to 12v?

12v to a 24v pump would surely improve longevity

Some thoughts on this vexing problem.


Porter
A54-152 IBIS




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On Jul 2, 2020, at 10:04 PM, Dean Gillies <stella@...> wrote:

Jamie,
Your 12V pump is looking for about 4A supply at 12V according to its specs. The system is designed to operate with a pump supply current of 1- 1.2A at 12V. I suspect you have damaged your 51385 module.

Scott,
Did you ever connect a different 12V pump from the specified pump by Frigidaire ? Maybe your 51385 is also fried.

Arno,
I agree with your description.

Jamie,
I suggest to buy the correct pump, and with a 'working' 51385 (operating at 12V) everything should be fine.

Using the correct 24V pump, the pump is safe under fault conditions, so you won't damage the pump if the voltage regulation on the 51385 fails. The 24V pump operates on a lighter duty than a 12V pump operating at full tilt. This extends its life and makes it quieter.

Just need to be careful with specs about the pumps. Veco rebadge the Flojet 24V pump as a '12V pump' for continuous duty at half the flow rate.
This can be very confusing when discussing the pump, or trying to replace it with a different one.

Fun and games indeed!

Dean

Sent from my iPhone X



Re: sm 53 vs 54

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all. After 10 years and 50,000 + off shore miles in Ocean Pearl SM 299 I thought strongly and seriously about stepping up to a 54. However I was put off by following the posts on this site It seemed I would be buying trouble. While I had positive experience of 20 years  with volvo the 110hp  volvo in the 54 seemed a serious problem. The bamar furlers another issue Likewise the multitude of electrical and electronic issues. Also  although I could possibly have avoided them, the number of 54 that had electronic and electrical upgrades concerned me. Complexity is an archilies heel in a yacht that cruises the more far flung regions. Rightly or wrongly I felt that many of these 54s were being converted into marina hopping med or Caribbean vessels

 Lastly, after considering all this I returned to my belief that in the SM, which was the culmination of a life dedicated to designing the perfect yacht for a couple to sail around the world,  Henry had indeed done just that. So I remain the proud and happy owner of SM 299.

Danny

Ocean Pearl

Mangonui

New Zealand

On 03 July 2020 at 10:11 Trevor Lusty <trevlusty@...> wrote:

Sorry James,
                     I pushed the wrong button. Personally, the last engine in the world I would want is a Volvo, followed by, what is a centre line aft bunk doing in a serious blue water cruising boat? The 54 is height critical when you are seated, if you are the wrong height it can be very uncomfortable. The SM was actively designed and sailed by The Captain , the 54 was designed in an office. Both boats are fantastic, the SM is the finished article of a lifetime's passion and personal experience.
Any really good design has a flow, where form follows function, which ever one is more comfortable for you has to be the right answer.
The  various electrics and the mechanical parts may fail you, but anything built by Amel will not.
Good luck with your search.
Trevor Lusty 
Ireland


Re: sm 53 vs 54

Porter McRoberts
 

Search Karen Smith’s write up on the comparison. 
They sail a SM and recently did a delivery of a 54. 

Here it is actually 



Either way you’re on one of the finest monohulls on the ocean. 
After sailing US to NZ I wouldn’t have any other boat. Except for a SM. 

Porter McRoberts 
A54-152 





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On Jul 2, 2020, at 3:07 PM, james Hosford via groups.io <jay.hosford@...> wrote:


I'm sorry In America so that would be 200,000.  54's are going between 450,000 and 500,000, conservatively you can get a 53 for 200,000 less than that.  Purchase cash is separate from cruising cash, it would be nice to move that much over to the cruising amount but not necessary.  I will be retired when doing this and have good pensions coming in, the boat will be paid for.  So it does turn into, well get the more expensive boat with the nicer layout, you can't take the money with you vs is it really worth the extra money just get the 53.  Or even the 53 is better and you just don't know it yet....etc

Sorry if this offends anyone I'm not trying to be crass or offend any of our international friends.  Just weighing my purchasing options and asking questions and seemed like the group wanted to know more about my situation to be able to help


On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 01:48:28 PM CDT, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:


James,

 

IMO – both boats are great boats. They have multiple advantages over other production yachts. Both will get you from A to B safely.

 

You don’t state where you are located (200g is not a currency). I’m assuming you are USA. If so, Bill and Joel are great resources. If not, in Europe Olivier Beauté is a person to contact.

 

Regarding the 200g, if you are full-time cruising, this will go a long way to being able to take tours, eat out, marina stays, trips home, add a dive-tank compressor etc. For us, this is about 3 years cruising budget. But then again, this amount of money might not be that important to you.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:14 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io; main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

Mark,

That's kind of my point I'm more interested in what you see as a pro or con.  You have much more experience than I do.  Now I may decide your opinion on something isn't that big a deal in the grand scheme of things but I do think it's important to hear those opinions.   Never know what I might learn.

 

Cruising couple, but must be able to single hand.  Will be taking crew from time to time.  Boat will be for world cruising/live aboard.  It professional but grew up with a boaty diesel mechanic father.  Have rebuilt gasoline and diesel engines and winter chores included re varnishing our 15' wood runabout.     Don't mind a project but would like to  find a boat that has been taken care of and appreciated by their owner.

 

I just thought it could be informative, given the money.  Which you would buy?  If you are paying cash is the 54 worth the extra to you or would you pocket the difference and get the 53.

 

I was honestly all in on the 54 for but recently thought, well how many guests are you actually going to have?   Do you really like it 200g  more than the 53 which seems to be the going difference?  Just wondered what others thoughts were.  

 

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:57:00 PM CDT, james Hosford via groups.io <jay.hosford@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks Bill,

I will take you up on that.

 

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:50:57 PM CDT, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

 

 

Both the SM & the 54 are good Amels. There are differences, advantages, and disadvantages.

 

You may not be aware, but I offer 1 hour free consulting to non-owners of Amel yachts.

 

Maybe you should check this out.

 

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:38 PM Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:

James,
The majority of us have probably only owned one Amel. A lucky few will have upgraded to a newer model. There is much expertise in this group about each model, but I don’t think there is a font of knowledge about comparisons of pros and cons between each model.
I think you need to do some more personal research and then ask some specific questions about the ones you are interested in.

Good fortune with your research. Whatever the result, you will like most of us, be very happy with the AMEL you choose.

Ian

Ocean Hobo, Santorin 96



Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Dean Gillies
 

Jamie,
Your 12V pump is looking for about 4A supply at 12V according to its specs. The system is designed to operate with a pump supply current of 1- 1.2A at 12V. I suspect you have damaged your 51385 module.

Scott,
Did you ever connect a different 12V pump from the specified pump by Frigidaire ? Maybe your 51385 is also fried.

Arno,
I agree with your description.

Jamie,
I suggest to buy the correct pump, and with a 'working' 51385 (operating at 12V) everything should be fine.

Using the correct 24V pump, the pump is safe under fault conditions, so you won't damage the pump if the voltage regulation on the 51385 fails. The 24V pump operates on a lighter duty than a 12V pump operating at full tilt. This extends its life and makes it quieter.

Just need to be careful with specs about the pumps. Veco rebadge the Flojet 24V pump as a '12V pump' for continuous duty at half the flow rate.
This can be very confusing when discussing the pump, or trying to replace it with a different one.

Fun and games indeed!

Dean

Sent from my iPhone X


Re: sm 53 vs 54

eric freedman
 


On July 2, 2020 at 9:32 PM eric <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Amel stopped using Yanmar on the 54's as they did not conform to the new
pollution standards in Europe.
I took a test drive on the 54 when they were still delivering the 53's. Joel Potter came along.
It was hush hush and the test model was across the marina in La Rochelle.
I did not like the Volvo. They said that if I paid the architect for the modification,they would deliver my boat with a Yanmar as the USA had not yet implemented the more restrictive emission standards at that time. I returned home looking forward to the 54 .Then a cardiologist said I had heart problems. I cancelled my order for hull#12 .
Long story made short the cardiologist made a mistake, however my wife became very iIl. By the time I was able to order the boat it was 3 years later then there was a long wait.

Every boat has positives and negatives. It may sound silly , but my wife did not like to seep against the hull, When I had to get up I had to climb over her. The wide 54 makes that a moot point. I also Like the forward facing nav station. 2 weeks ago we came up to the USA on a starboard tack beating for almost 9 days. Writing on the computer and hanging on with the other hand is no fun.

At this point I will stick with the 53 as Kimberlite and I have been through so much together I would not want to trade her in, It would hurt her feelings.

If I were buying an Amel and had to choose between the 53 and the 54, I would buy the 54.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite

On July 2, 2020 at 6:57 PM "james Hosford via groups.io" <jay.hosford@...> wrote:

Thank you,   Yes I wondered as most late year 53s are yanmar.  Then when they built the 54 they went back to Volvo.   Not sure why they did that.   Yes get you point on the bunks etc which is why I started the thread.   Might like the idea/look of something but in reality it might not be practical.  Glad I found Bills Amel cruise.   Will definitely spend 7 days on both models now

 

On Jul 2, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Trevor Lusty <trevlusty@...> wrote:

Sorry James,
                     I pushed the wrong button. Personally, the last engine in the world I would want is a Volvo, followed by, what is a centre line aft bunk doing in a serious blue water cruising boat? The 54 is height critical when you are seated, if you are the wrong height it can be very uncomfortable. The SM was actively designed and sailed by The Captain , the 54 was designed in an office. Both boats are fantastic, the SM is the finished article of a lifetime's passion and personal experience.
Any really good design has a flow, where form follows function, which ever one is more comfortable for you has to be the right answer.
The  various electrics and the mechanical parts may fail you, but anything built by Amel will not.
Good luck with your search.
Trevor Lusty 
Ireland

 

 


 


Re: sm 53 vs 54

eric freedman
 

Amel stopped using Yanmar on the 54's as they did not conform to the new
pollution standards in Europe.
I took a test drive on the 54 when they were still delivering the 53's. Joel Potter came along.
It was hush hush and the test model was across the marina in La Rochelle.
I did not like the Volvo. They said that if I paid the architect for the modification,they would deliver my boat with a Yanmar as the USA had not yet implemented the more restrictive emission standards at that time. I returned home looking forward to the 54 .Then a cardiologist said I had heart problems. I cancelled my order for hull#12 .
Long story made short the cardiologist made a mistake, however my wife became very iIl. By the time I was able to order the boat it was 3 years later then there was a long wait.

Every boat has positives and negatives. It may sound silly , but my wife did not like to seep against the hull, When I had to get up I had to climb over her. The wide 54 makes that a moot point. I also Like the forward facing nav station. 2 weeks ago we came up to the USA on a starboard tack beating for almost 9 days. Writing on the computer and hanging on with the other hand is no fun.

At this point I will stick with the 53 as Kimberlite and I have been through so much together I would not want to trade her in, It would hurt her feelings.

If I were buying an Amel and had to choose between the 53 and the 54, I would buy the 54.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite

On July 2, 2020 at 6:57 PM "james Hosford via groups.io" <jay.hosford@...> wrote:

Thank you,   Yes I wondered as most late year 53s are yanmar.  Then when they built the 54 they went back to Volvo.   Not sure why they did that.   Yes get you point on the bunks etc which is why I started the thread.   Might like the idea/look of something but in reality it might not be practical.  Glad I found Bills Amel cruise.   Will definitely spend 7 days on both models now


On Jul 2, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Trevor Lusty <trevlusty@...> wrote:

Sorry James,
                     I pushed the wrong button. Personally, the last engine in the world I would want is a Volvo, followed by, what is a centre line aft bunk doing in a serious blue water cruising boat? The 54 is height critical when you are seated, if you are the wrong height it can be very uncomfortable. The SM was actively designed and sailed by The Captain , the 54 was designed in an office. Both boats are fantastic, the SM is the finished article of a lifetime's passion and personal experience.
Any really good design has a flow, where form follows function, which ever one is more comfortable for you has to be the right answer.
The  various electrics and the mechanical parts may fail you, but anything built by Amel will not.
Good luck with your search.
Trevor Lusty 
Ireland

 

 


Re: sm 53 vs 54

james Hosford
 

Thank you,   Yes I wondered as most late year 53s are yanmar.  Then when they built the 54 they went back to Volvo.   Not sure why they did that.   Yes get you point on the bunks etc which is why I started the thread.   Might like the idea/look of something but in reality it might not be practical.  Glad I found Bills Amel cruise.   Will definitely spend 7 days on both models now


On Jul 2, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Trevor Lusty <trevlusty@...> wrote:

Sorry James,
                     I pushed the wrong button. Personally, the last engine in the world I would want is a Volvo, followed by, what is a centre line aft bunk doing in a serious blue water cruising boat? The 54 is height critical when you are seated, if you are the wrong height it can be very uncomfortable. The SM was actively designed and sailed by The Captain , the 54 was designed in an office. Both boats are fantastic, the SM is the finished article of a lifetime's passion and personal experience.
Any really good design has a flow, where form follows function, which ever one is more comfortable for you has to be the right answer.
The  various electrics and the mechanical parts may fail you, but anything built by Amel will not.
Good luck with your search.
Trevor Lusty 
Ireland


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Dean Gillies
 

A few points from my understanding of the system.

The relay is driven by 12V. The system always drives the relay with 12V regardless of being operated from 24V. There is a reason for this which I won't elaborate.

The 51385 pump controller drives the pump with 12v, regardless of the 24V power supply. You may measure 24V with no load (pump) connected, but with the correct pump connected (and running) you should measure 12V.

If you measure 24V at the pump terminals while the correctly specified pump is operating then your 51395 has failed.

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154



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Re: sm 53 vs 54

Trevor Lusty
 

Sorry James,
                     I pushed the wrong button. Personally, the last engine in the world I would want is a Volvo, followed by, what is a centre line aft bunk doing in a serious blue water cruising boat? The 54 is height critical when you are seated, if you are the wrong height it can be very uncomfortable. The SM was actively designed and sailed by The Captain , the 54 was designed in an office. Both boats are fantastic, the SM is the finished article of a lifetime's passion and personal experience.
Any really good design has a flow, where form follows function, which ever one is more comfortable for you has to be the right answer.
The  various electrics and the mechanical parts may fail you, but anything built by Amel will not.
Good luck with your search.
Trevor Lusty 
Ireland


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Jamie Wendell
 

I just checked again and under load (with my new 12V pump) the pump output from the Frigoboat interface is clearly showing 24 volts, and the 24V light is on, just as in Scott's photo. It is as Scott indicated 25 or so volts - not 12v.

Somehow the interface is converting the compressor output BACK to 24 volts. I looked at the schematic, but it is a bit sketchy and not very detailed.

I got the 12-volt pump to run, but to get it running I had to replace the interface fuse with a 5 amp fuse. It is supposed to be 2 amp, and I have always needed a 3 amp. Now a 5 amp - wow??
I see the interface flashing "pump overload" every 5 minutes or so, and the pump is running very hot. That is likely because it is running at twice the speed.

I am working the brushless motor deal and have a question for Oliver. I got it working, but still have not tried the motor itself, as it has to be bolted down first. I am sure I can get a solution there.

In the meantime, at least I have refrigeration for now. The new Flojet is thermally protected, so I am pretty confident it will not burn up right away. One alternative might be to use a relay interface or DC converter that will in fact deliver 12 volts to the pump from another source in the engine room. We could use the interface pump output to drive the relay only.

Dazed and confused as always?
We have to come up with a solution here that can be replicated.

Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: sm 53 vs 54

james Hosford
 

Yeah I their I read somewhere the nice windows in the salon cost you storage.


On Jul 2, 2020, at 4:56 PM, Trevor Lusty <trevlusty@...> wrote:

Hi James,
                Either one will deliver what you aspire to do.  One major difference that I have witnessed several times.
Back in 2008 I spent a summer on the Amel pontoon in La Rochelle. Fascinating to watch and sometimes celebrate with new owners receiving their new 54. In every single case when they were trading out from the SM to the 54 there was a pile of their property sitting on the pontoon that came out of the SM but wouldn't fit into the 54.


Re: sm 53 vs 54

Trevor Lusty
 

Hi James,
                Either one will deliver what you aspire to do.  One major difference that I have witnessed several times.
Back in 2008 I spent a summer on the Amel pontoon in La Rochelle. Fascinating to watch and sometimes celebrate with new owners receiving their new 54. In every single case when they were trading out from the SM to the 54 there was a pile of their property sitting on the pontoon that came out of the SM but wouldn't fit into the 54.


Re: sm 53 vs 54

james Hosford
 

Yep just waiting on a reply with a schedule,  may not be one with all the COVID going on but seems like a no brainer and money well spent to me


On Jul 2, 2020, at 4:34 PM, james Hosford via groups.io <jay.hosford@...> wrote:

Thank you so much for the info it is greatly appreciated.  

I forgot about the staysail a lot of 53 owners have said the wish they had one 


On Jul 2, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:



I would definitely take Bill up on his offer. If we had access to Bill’s knowledge at the time we purchased our Amel, we would have had a much steeper learning curve.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2020 10:51 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

Both the SM & the 54 are good Amels. There are differences, advantages, and disadvantages.

 

You may not be aware, but I offer 1 hour free consulting to non-owners of Amel yachts.

 

Maybe you should check this out.

 

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:38 PM Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:

James,
The majority of us have probably only owned one Amel. A lucky few will have upgraded to a newer model. There is much expertise in this group about each model, but I don’t think there is a font of knowledge about comparisons of pros and cons between each model.
I think you need to do some more personal research and then ask some specific questions about the ones you are interested in.

Good fortune with your research. Whatever the result, you will like most of us, be very happy with the AMEL you choose.

Ian

Ocean Hobo, Santorin 96



Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Scott,

I’m pretty sure this thing is NOT supposed to output 24 volts. You may be able to check this on the website of Frigoboat.

Regards,

Arno Luijten,
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

 

Here is the schematic showing that the power to the Frigoboat E51385 interface (Blue Box) comes directly from the Fan Output on the Danfoss compressor controller (1 of the 3 circled in red):
image.png


This is out of a Frigoboat Manual" which states the Fan Output terminals always output 12 volts regardless of whether the unit is connected to 24 volts or 12 volts.
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 4:34 PM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
That is very weird. Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but while the pumps are running, I stuck my test leads on positive and negative on the Pump +/- output on the interface. Clearly read 26v or more.

How is your pump life given your pumps are getting 12v to them. Any issues with your saloon freezer getting cold enough?

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 11:26 AM Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all,

I have 2 pumps set up. A 12v and 24v, both work. My panel indicates that it is running 24v which is lit up.
I am metering 12v going into both pumps.
Just changed to make sure and they are both running OK.
I would like to help buy this fridge pump thingy is something else. I have a few spare pumps. Both 12v and 24v.

Very Best

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 









n Jul 2, 2020, at 16:55, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:


Arno,

I just measured and got 26+ volts. 

The Frigoboat interface itself indicator shows 24v.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 10:36 AM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
Hi Jamie,

I’m surprised you measure 24 volt. When I did the same I measured exactly half the voltage of the 24 volt system (about 13 volts when you are on shore power).
Did you measure under load? The whole Frigoboat system is made up in such a way it does not matter if your ships system is 12 or 24 volt. The compressor also reduces the actual supply voltage of the compressor motor to 12 volt irrespectively of the power-supply.

I recommend you check it once more. Maybe use a lightbulb to make up some load. If you still measure 24 Volt your switchbox may be broken, also explaining you extreme short lifespan of the pump. 

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


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2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
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2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
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Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Scott SV Tengah
 

That is very weird. Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but while the pumps are running, I stuck my test leads on positive and negative on the Pump +/- output on the interface. Clearly read 26v or more.

How is your pump life given your pumps are getting 12v to them. Any issues with your saloon freezer getting cold enough?

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 11:26 AM Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all,

I have 2 pumps set up. A 12v and 24v, both work. My panel indicates that it is running 24v which is lit up.
I am metering 12v going into both pumps.
Just changed to make sure and they are both running OK.
I would like to help buy this fridge pump thingy is something else. I have a few spare pumps. Both 12v and 24v.

Very Best

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 









n Jul 2, 2020, at 16:55, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:


Arno,

I just measured and got 26+ volts. 

The Frigoboat interface itself indicator shows 24v.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 10:36 AM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
Hi Jamie,

I’m surprised you measure 24 volt. When I did the same I measured exactly half the voltage of the 24 volt system (about 13 volts when you are on shore power).
Did you measure under load? The whole Frigoboat system is made up in such a way it does not matter if your ships system is 12 or 24 volt. The compressor also reduces the actual supply voltage of the compressor motor to 12 volt irrespectively of the power-supply.

I recommend you check it once more. Maybe use a lightbulb to make up some load. If you still measure 24 Volt your switchbox may be broken, also explaining you extreme short lifespan of the pump. 

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com