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Amel 55 mizen vibration

Jose Alegria
 

Dear  amelians
Today's topic concerns the Amel 55 model
At   marina berth , when the wind enters from the stern at 130-150º angles and with 10-15 knots of wind, there is an enormous vibration in the mizen mast; it is something that does not always appear, but that noise in the main cabin  becomes highly annoying.
Does anyone have an explanation for this, or some solution to this problem

Kindest regards

José Alegria
A55#003MERIT
josealegr@...
Mobile: + 351 91 866 30 37
Re: A54 Fresh Water Pressure

David Crisp
 

Many thanks Bill,

When I opened up the pump it was completely solid with crystals and deposit of some sort. Until I bought it last year she has been on the Sth France where the water is hard so maybe that plus an extended 9mths on the hard (thanks Covid) has caused the problem.   A 24 hrs soak with shower cleaner (decalcifier) and some fiddling did the job.  However, after reinstalling water appeared to be leaking from the rear seal.  I must have somehow damaged the seal amongst my exploratory blundering, but maybe I can  rebuild it for a spare.

My new problem is the pressure switch doesn't seem to me working.  It isn't automatically switching on.  If I manually trigger the switch it latches on okay, the pump runs 
but doesn't trip off once pressure is reached (max 4bar).  It was okay before. So far adjusting the two adjustment nuts 1 & 2 and it hasn't done any good. Grrrrr with frustration!  Any suggestions?

BTW you are correct about the price for tank + pump + switch assembly 950€.  For the benefit of all, just the pump alone was 540€.


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David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58
Re: Bamar EJF Furler

amel46met
 

Hi Bill
No jammed  swivel
Thanks for the manual I did not have that. thinking it could be stuck paws or maybe motor brushes was hoping to not have to drop the fore stay. thanks for your suggestions
Tom Deasy 
Aphrodite Maramu #125


On Jul 7, 2020, at 8:19 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


I do not know, but have you ruled out a jammed swivel at the top of the foil?

Also, do you have the manual? 

 BAMAR Furler um_ejf 1-2_it-en.pdf

The manual states (about page 40):
The electric furler turns and then stops 
Causes:
• Halyard wrapped around the foils.
• Halyard swivel badly adjusted.
• Genoa sheet jammed.
Have you greased according to the manual?
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 9:28 AM amel46met <onboardaphrodite@...> wrote:
Yes Bill The jib furler  is not original I installed it four years ago. But do you have any ideas why it is malfunctioning? Unfurling 1 foot and then stopping.
Tom Deasy 
Aphrodite Maramu #125


On Jul 6, 2020, at 8:37 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Tom, the EJF is the forestay furler on your Maramu but was not the original furler.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 9:46 AM amel46met <onboardaphrodite@...> wrote:
Hi Bill
The Barmar EJF is the forestay furler.
Tom Deasy 
Maramu #125 1983


On Jul 5, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Bill Shaproski <bill.shaproski@...> wrote:


Are you referring to your Genoa furler or your main sail furler?  If it's the main sail furler, is it the outhaul motor/gearbox that stops or the furler motor/gearbox that stops?  If it's the main sail furler, were you able to get it back by manually cranking it in?  I suspect you're referring to the Genoa furler, but just wanted to confirm.  
Regards.
Bill Shaproski
S/V Pacific Cool

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM amel46met <onboardaphrodite@...> wrote:
Hello Group
Tom Deasy APHRODITE Maramu 1983 #125
I am having a problem with my electric furler, four years old and several thousand miles.It will unroll about 2 feet and stop it will not roll back up. Is it possible for me to disassemble to see the problem could it be the brushes or possibly corrosion with the paws or the electrical brake system any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Tom Deasy





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Bill Shaproski
Cell:  +1-206-375-2787
My rewire of the 4jhshte

eric freedman
 

Here are a few photos of the finished job

On July 7, 2020 at 12:47 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Tom

Here are some photos of the rewiring.

In the 4th photo is a black wire that Amel used to connect all the negative sides of the senders.

There were numerous connections and a few bad solder joints. In the new model wiring all of these leads go to the Valeo Solenoid. 

Fair Wind,

Eric


 


 
Re: Newer model Isolated ground kit for Yanmar from Amel

eric freedman
 

Hi Tom

Here are some photos of the rewiring.

In the 4th photo is a black wire that Amel used to connect all the negative sides of the senders.

There were numerous connections and a few bad solder joints. In the new model wiring all of these leads go to the Valeo Solenoid. 

Fair Wind,

Eric
Re: Newer model Isolated ground kit for Yanmar from alel

eric freedman
 

Hi Thomas,
I am happy that i could be of some help. After we started talking it took me a bit of time to find your wiring diagram.
My 4jh3hte is working fine but I have put over 7000 hours on the engine. Even though the engine is giving me no trouble, I am installing a new 4jh4hte
engine this coming winter in the Caribbean. I see from the wiring diagrams that Amel?

Is the intercooler for your engine mounted above the starter motor or is it mounted on a high bracket above the transmission? Amel changed the location of most of the wiring components. I also see what seams to be the transmission oil cooler mounted on top of the transmission. Is yours mounted there?

If you do not mind would you please send m about a dozen photos of your engine?
Fair Winds,

Eric

On July 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

Eric- first of all thanks for all this. To have a guy who rewired his engine from scratch as a resource is incredibly helpful. My engine is a 4JH3-HTE but the wiring to the solenoid, diodes, and relay are all there as I see in the pics. After following the wiring from the panel to the solenoid the problem ended up being a bad connection at the relay. No power out of the relay to the solenoid. After rewiring the 2 brown wires connector and cleaning up the relay it works fine now. But as a precaution I'm buying a new solenoid from Maud and already ordered spare relays. I'm still curious about being able to substitute the isolated ground solenoid spares I have from the Onan for the Yanmars Valeo in a pinch. I never considered that option. Anyway, problem solved for now.

Tom and Kirstin
SM2K 422
Honelei Bay, Kauai

 
Re: Bamar EJF Furler

CW Bill Rouse
 

I do not know, but have you ruled out a jammed swivel at the top of the foil?

Also, do you have the manual? 

 BAMAR Furler um_ejf 1-2_it-en.pdf

The manual states (about page 40):
The electric furler turns and then stops 
Causes:
• Halyard wrapped around the foils.
• Halyard swivel badly adjusted.
• Genoa sheet jammed.
Have you greased according to the manual?
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 9:28 AM amel46met <onboardaphrodite@...> wrote:
Yes Bill The jib furler  is not original I installed it four years ago. But do you have any ideas why it is malfunctioning? Unfurling 1 foot and then stopping.
Tom Deasy 
Aphrodite Maramu #125


On Jul 6, 2020, at 8:37 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Tom, the EJF is the forestay furler on your Maramu but was not the original furler.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 9:46 AM amel46met <onboardaphrodite@...> wrote:
Hi Bill
The Barmar EJF is the forestay furler.
Tom Deasy 
Maramu #125 1983


On Jul 5, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Bill Shaproski <bill.shaproski@...> wrote:


Are you referring to your Genoa furler or your main sail furler?  If it's the main sail furler, is it the outhaul motor/gearbox that stops or the furler motor/gearbox that stops?  If it's the main sail furler, were you able to get it back by manually cranking it in?  I suspect you're referring to the Genoa furler, but just wanted to confirm.  
Regards.
Bill Shaproski
S/V Pacific Cool

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM amel46met <onboardaphrodite@...> wrote:
Hello Group
Tom Deasy APHRODITE Maramu 1983 #125
I am having a problem with my electric furler, four years old and several thousand miles.It will unroll about 2 feet and stop it will not roll back up. Is it possible for me to disassemble to see the problem could it be the brushes or possibly corrosion with the paws or the electrical brake system any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Tom Deasy





--
Bill Shaproski
Cell:  +1-206-375-2787
Re: Newer model Isolated ground kit for Yanmar from alel

CW Bill Rouse
 

Tom,

I believe that almost any automotive 12-volt starter solenoid will work as a substitute as long as the mounting bracket is not connected to any of the posts on the battery side of the switched posts or the battery side of the coil posts. I believe this condition is true on most start solenoids and the Onan Negative solenoid, but you should verify it.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 9:10 AM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:
Eric- first of all thanks for all this. To have a guy who rewired his engine from scratch as a resource is incredibly helpful. My engine is a 4JH3-HTE but the wiring to the solenoid, diodes, and relay are all there as I see in the pics. After following the wiring from the panel to the solenoid the problem ended up being a bad connection at the relay. No power out of the relay to the solenoid. After rewiring the 2 brown wires connector and cleaning up the relay it works fine now. But as a precaution I'm buying a new solenoid from Maud and already ordered spare relays. I'm still curious about being able to substitute the isolated ground solenoid spares I have from the Onan for the Yanmars Valeo in a pinch. I never considered that option. Anyway, problem solved for now.

Tom and Kirstin
SM2K 422
Honelei Bay, Kauai

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Re: Bamar EJF Furler

amel46met
 

Yes Bill The jib furler  is not original I installed it four years ago. But do you have any ideas why it is malfunctioning? Unfurling 1 foot and then stopping.
Tom Deasy 
Aphrodite Maramu #125


On Jul 6, 2020, at 8:37 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Tom, the EJF is the forestay furler on your Maramu but was not the original furler.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 9:46 AM amel46met <onboardaphrodite@...> wrote:
Hi Bill
The Barmar EJF is the forestay furler.
Tom Deasy 
Maramu #125 1983


On Jul 5, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Bill Shaproski <bill.shaproski@...> wrote:


Are you referring to your Genoa furler or your main sail furler?  If it's the main sail furler, is it the outhaul motor/gearbox that stops or the furler motor/gearbox that stops?  If it's the main sail furler, were you able to get it back by manually cranking it in?  I suspect you're referring to the Genoa furler, but just wanted to confirm.  
Regards.
Bill Shaproski
S/V Pacific Cool

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM amel46met <onboardaphrodite@...> wrote:
Hello Group
Tom Deasy APHRODITE Maramu 1983 #125
I am having a problem with my electric furler, four years old and several thousand miles.It will unroll about 2 feet and stop it will not roll back up. Is it possible for me to disassemble to see the problem could it be the brushes or possibly corrosion with the paws or the electrical brake system any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Tom Deasy





--
Bill Shaproski
Cell:  +1-206-375-2787
Re: Newer model Isolated ground kit for Yanmar from alel

Thomas Kleman
 

Eric- first of all thanks for all this. To have a guy who rewired his engine from scratch as a resource is incredibly helpful. My engine is a 4JH3-HTE but the wiring to the solenoid, diodes, and relay are all there as I see in the pics. After following the wiring from the panel to the solenoid the problem ended up being a bad connection at the relay. No power out of the relay to the solenoid. After rewiring the 2 brown wires connector and cleaning up the relay it works fine now. But as a precaution I'm buying a new solenoid from Maud and already ordered spare relays. I'm still curious about being able to substitute the isolated ground solenoid spares I have from the Onan for the Yanmars Valeo in a pinch. I never considered that option. Anyway, problem solved for now.

Tom and Kirstin
SM2K 422
Honelei Bay, Kauai
Re: A54 Fresh Water Pressure

CW Bill Rouse
 

David for most Amels the cut-off pressure is between 2-3 bar. If you are in that range you should be OK. 

FYI, normally the accumulator tank fails before the pump, and that pump is likely rebuildable. The cost of the original pump and tank is close to 1,000 euros.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 5:44 AM David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
Hi All,

I'm replacing the Gianneshi fresh water pump.  Can anyone tell me the recommended high and low water pressure values please?  I have the original Gianneschi ACB-61-G pressure tank and pump system, but I'm just replacing the pump as the tank seems okay.  
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David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58

A54 Fresh Water Pressure

David Crisp
 

Hi All,

I'm replacing the Gianneshi fresh water pump.  Can anyone tell me the recommended high and low water pressure values please?  I have the original Gianneschi ACB-61-G pressure tank and pump system, but I'm just replacing the pump as the tank seems okay.  
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David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58
Re: Slap Silencer

Gerhard Hoffmann
 

Hi Eric,
My boat is close to yours and I believe my bilge switch installation is original.  I cannot see the make/brand, the label says bilge switch COD 85000102.  The box is about 75mm long, 57mm wide and 60mm high without the plastic extrusion for the hold down screws.  I'm attaching two photos.

Hope that helps.

Gerhard Hoffmann
Pepino SM381
Greece
Newer model Isolated ground kit for Yanmar from alel

eric freedman
 

https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/files/Miscellaneous/_Kit%20isolation%20Yanmar.pdf


Tom,

I believe this is what you have. This is the newer conversion.  I see the relay you are referring to. The only thing I do not see in photos are the dual wire senders. I do see that they used them as you can see a bunch of sender wires at the Valeo Solenoid. If you will notice they show  that they are still using the diodes. They are covered in heat shrink tubing with a solderless connector at either end.

I also think I see a tranny oil cooler mounted on the tranny. Do you have this?

Above  is the link and the wiring diagram of the newer conversion of the yanmar of the isolated ground.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Sm 376
Re: Cruise and Max RPM #solution

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Late piping in... check turbo and it’s actuator

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007


On 7/07/2020, at 8:55 AM, Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32@...> wrote:


Jose, I have the same engine with the Max prop I have now,or the fixed prop ,I could always get to 3100 rpms and about 8.3 kts. I too recommend you check your turbo. You may want to check the throttle linkage as well ,it may have slipped.
Good Luck ,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Chatton <chattonp960@...>
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2020 1:55 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Cruise and Max RPM #solution

Hi Jose,
I would recommend that you have your turbo checked
Kind regards 
Philippe
S/V Chameleon
Antibes, F


Le jeu. 25 juin 2020 à 16:10, JOSE PRIETO <prietomd11@...> a écrit :
Hello Amelians!  I am in the process of learning my boat.  The engine is a Volvo TMD22, with autoprop h6 propeller.
I found some threads here on the forum related to this topic, but none conclusive about what is the ideal cruise rpm regime, and what is the maximum rpm?  I can't get more than 2100 rpm!
 Any suggestion?

--
Jose Prieto
SV Wayag, SM 323
Currently Alicante, Spain

Re: Boar speed om Amel SM200

CW Bill Rouse
 

Arno, you are correct, I should not have used the term, "if you are not racing."

I should have said, "if you want a simple solution that costs less than $200."😀

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 4:51 PM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
Hi Bill,

I don’t agree with your statement you can do without a STW sensor if you are not racing. In my current location (Caribbean) this may be OK but my former cruising grounds (Western-Europe) it would be quite an omission to live without STW. When tidal currents are getting significant you really appreciate the information you get from the difference between SOG and STW. We’ve sailed in places where the tidal current can run up to 8 knots. You really want to know when the tide change.
So it’s very depending on your cruising grounds if you can do without a STW sensor.

regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121

Re: Boar speed om Amel SM200

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Bill,

I don’t agree with your statement you can do without a STW sensor if you are not racing. In my current location (Caribbean) this may be OK but my former cruising grounds (Western-Europe) it would be quite an omission to live without STW. When tidal currents are getting significant you really appreciate the information you get from the difference between SOG and STW. We’ve sailed in places where the tidal current can run up to 8 knots. You really want to know when the tide change.
So it’s very depending on your cruising grounds if you can do without a STW sensor.

regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
Re: Cruise and Max RPM #solution

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, Be certain to fully seat the end caps so that the core is fully inserted in its section of the cap and tighten the clamps well,or else the raw water can exchange or mix with the antifreeze . My old caps were getting hard ,making it hard to insure a tight seal as the rubber was no longer pliable . The previous owner went so far as to put sealant/silicone in the cap. Not a good idea ,as pieces could break free and block cooling passages within the block. As I said in my previous post ,you can buy a new set of caps for about $50. ,if you buy them for a Perkins instead of a Volvo.
Good Luck,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras River, Md.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Shaproski <bill.shaproski@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Group Moderators <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2020 11:51 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Cruise and Max RPM #solution

Hi Frank,
Thanks for getting back to me with your very comprehensive and well written explanation.  I'll definitely check my HE when I return to Florida.  
Best Regards
Bill Shaproski

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 7:07 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill, I also have an Amel about the same age as yours, and it too has the TMD22a. My engine would also run hot if I ran it much over 1800 rpm , at 2500 rpm for a few minutes I was seeing 217 degrees . I replaced the impeller ,insured water supply was unrestricted and cleaned the heat exchanger several times over a couple of years and yet still had overheating. I finally discovered my problem, and probably yours. The rubber caps on either end of the heat exchanger needed to be replaced and while ordering them online , on the side bar it showed a rubber washer/seal . I had no idea what it was for ,but bought it as well. I found a illustration showing this washer around the H/E core , when I took the core out and looked into the H/E housing ,towards the back I saw what I would call a small round  bulkhead built into the housing ,slightly larger in diameter than the core itself. The seal closes off the opening forcing the cooling water to flow thru the core rather than much of it  bypassing to core . So at low rpms the cooling was adequate to keep temps low ,but couldn't cool the water efficiently enough at higher rpms.
The washer had deteriorated and fallen off the core before I ever first took it apart, thus I never knew it existed ,I found small remnants of it later in the housing. So take your core out and see if the washer is on the core,I will bet it is gone, or pushed back too far and not sealing the opening. When you replace it ,slip it over the far end but not so far that it does not come into contact with the bulkhead opening  ,let the bulkhead push it into its proper position as you slide the core into place. 
One last tip to save a couple of hundred dollars. Buying the rubber end caps from any Volvo supplier was going to cost about $350. I found that if I ordered the caps for a Perkins M80 ,same caps ,it only cost about $55. ,the seal/washer was only a couple of dollars.
I hope this ends your overheating issues, I think it will.
Good Luck,
Pat
SM Shenanigans #123
Sassafras River ,Md.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Shaproski <bill.shaproski@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Group Moderators <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jul 5, 2020 7:31 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Cruise and Max RPM #solution

I have a 1995 Amel SM with a TMD22A and a MaxProp.  I used a max cruising speed of 2,000 RPM when doing my circumnavigation, but usually tried to keep it at 1800RPM.  I have cruised at 2600 RPM plus in an emergency for about 30 minutes, but the engine did get very hot.  Hope this helps.  I arrived at the 2,000RPM number by listening to the prior owner's advice.  

Regards,
Bill Shaproski
S/v Pacific Cool
206-375-2787

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 8:10 AM JOSE PRIETO <prietomd11@...> wrote:
Hello Amelians!  I am in the process of learning my boat.  The engine is a Volvo TMD22, with autoprop h6 propeller.
I found some threads here on the forum related to this topic, but none conclusive about what is the ideal cruise rpm regime, and what is the maximum rpm?  I can't get more than 2100 rpm!
 Any suggestion?

--
Jose Prieto
SV Wayag, SM 323
Currently Alicante, Spain


--
Bill Shaproski
Cell:  +1-206-375-2787
Re: Cruise and Max RPM #solution

Patrick McAneny
 

Jose, I have the same engine with the Max prop I have now,or the fixed prop ,I could always get to 3100 rpms and about 8.3 kts. I too recommend you check your turbo. You may want to check the throttle linkage as well ,it may have slipped.
Good Luck ,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Chatton <chattonp960@...>
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2020 1:55 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Cruise and Max RPM #solution

Hi Jose,
I would recommend that you have your turbo checked
Kind regards 
Philippe
S/V Chameleon
Antibes, F


Le jeu. 25 juin 2020 à 16:10, JOSE PRIETO <prietomd11@...> a écrit :
Hello Amelians!  I am in the process of learning my boat.  The engine is a Volvo TMD22, with autoprop h6 propeller.
I found some threads here on the forum related to this topic, but none conclusive about what is the ideal cruise rpm regime, and what is the maximum rpm?  I can't get more than 2100 rpm!
 Any suggestion?

--
Jose Prieto
SV Wayag, SM 323
Currently Alicante, Spain

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