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Re: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50

Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
 

Hi Graham,
 
We have a 1989 Santorin with a Prima 50.   It is now approaching 5000 hrs and starts first time, even after a winter lay up, uses 0.25 ltr oil every 100 hrs, runs at about the right temperature.   We have had problems with oil and fuel leaks ALL of which were the result of engine parts working loose, eg. the mechanical lift pump nuts worked loose and oil seeped out from the rocker box.   All these were fairly easily fixed by me.   Some problems with injectors as they got old and some wireing problems- i.e. electric stop failed and it needed to be stopped manually (lever on injector pump) but I guess that is par for the course after 8 years of our use.   I did worry about the age of the engine and talked to Perkins.   They asked if it started ok, did it smoke a lot, did it burn oil and did it use cooling water or overheat.   When I said no to all the questions they said that at around 7000 hrs I might need to have major work done on it!  
In fairness it is well looked after with regular checks and maintenance and has never gone more than 200 hrs without an oil change, now down to 100/150 hours or every season if less.  (Highly recomended by every engineer I've ever talked to).   It is also easy to work on with all major parts being accesible.  Spares are reasonably priced if purchased in England and just about everything is still available.   Another plus point is that the same engine was badged as a Volvo (An MD? - I can't remember the exact number) so that if you are stuck for parts in some remote place with no Perkins agent you may be able to get Volvo parts, they are more expensive though.
Bottom line - it's not a bad engine.
 
Regards,
 
Robin Cooter,
Santorin 004.

--- On Thu, 23/7/09, GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 10:07 AM


 



We are hoping to buy a Sharki in the next week, we have a choice of two both of which have the Perkins Prima 50 fitted.
I have read both good and bad comments with regard to these engines.THe bad being the high price of parts and poor quality wiring.

Has anyone got any experience with the Prima 50, any comments would be appreciated?

Regards
Graham



















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Re: [Amel] A new member

Lars H. Knudsen <museum@...>
 

Hi 'Jl'

Thanks a lot for you quote.

If others have experiences with the cost of having a Santorin/Maramu in Spain then please share your information.

I can tell you that cost in Tunisia is 1.800 Euro/Year at present including power and water at El Kantaoui which is probably one of the more expensive marinas. The marina is extremely secure and have quite decent facilities for yachts (toilets, batch, clubroom etc), lots of restaurants, supermarkets and the third largest city in Tunisia nearby, Sousse.

Best regards,
Lars


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In PREMIA de MAR (Barcelona) it's 4000€/year for 14m*4,75
jlm
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Lars H. Knudsen a écrit :

Hi Ivan

Can you tell me what you pay for your berth or mooring in Mallorca?

I am considering moving my Santorin from Tunisia to Spain later this year
and are currently investigating the costs involved.

Best regards,

Lars

Santorin Salvagny #79

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Hi Xaviar

We are on a Satorin in Mallorca but we come from the north
of Ireland. I still think the best cruising ground in the
world is the west coast of Ireland.

Enjoy your cruising

Ivan Campbell

Ocean Hobo

Hi guys,

I just join the group and thought that I had to introduce
myself.

My name is Xavier a french fellow sailor currently sailing
and living aboard a 1993 Santorin sloop that my late father
bought brand new. The boat has already sailed around the
world and done a few transat either with my parents on
board or with some close friends of them.

After three years on shore, I finaly decided that it was
time for the boat and I to get wet again.

I am actually in west Ireland with a friend of mine and
after visiting the Aran Island, we are coming back home in
Normandy to prepare the boat for a new trans atlantic that
I will do alone.

I have been sailing on this boat more than 5000 miles
already (must of them as a deck hand) and I am looking
forward more adventures. So far the plan is to sail from
Normandy across biscane bay then to Madeira, Cape Verde,
Senegal, Brasil, Venezuela ... and then who knows.

I am lookimg forward all the advices I can get on this
forum concerning preparing, upgrading and maintening the
boat.

Sail smooth

Xavier

PS : sorry for my rought english





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Re: [Amel] A new member

jlmertz@free.fr <jlmertz@...>
 

In PREMIA de MAR (Barcelona) it's 4000/year for 14m*4,75
jlm
CottonBay
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lars H. Knudsen a crit :


Hi Ivan

Can you tell me what you pay for your berth or mooring in Mallorca?

I am considering moving my Santorin from Tunisia to Spain later this year
and are currently investigating the costs involved.

Best regards,

Lars

Santorin Salvagny #79

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Emne: Re: [Amel] A new member

Hi Xaviar

We are on a Satorin in Mallorca but we come from the north
of Ireland. I still think the best cruising ground in the
world is the west coast of Ireland.

Enjoy your cruising

Ivan Campbell

Ocean Hobo

Hi guys,

I just join the group and thought that I had to introduce
myself.

My name is Xavier a french fellow sailor currently sailing
and living aboard a 1993 Santorin sloop that my late father
bought brand new. The boat has already sailed around the
world and done a few transat either with my parents on
board or with some close friends of them.

After three years on shore, I finaly decided that it was
time for the boat and I to get wet again.

I am actually in west Ireland with a friend of mine and
after visiting the Aran Island, we are coming back home in
Normandy to prepare the boat for a new trans atlantic that
I will do alone.

I have been sailing on this boat more than 5000 miles
already (must of them as a deck hand) and I am looking
forward more adventures. So far the plan is to sail from
Normandy across biscane bay then to Madeira, Cape Verde,
Senegal, Brasil, Venezuela ... and then who knows.

I am lookimg forward all the advices I can get on this
forum concerning preparing, upgrading and maintening the
boat.

Sail smooth

Xavier

PS : sorry for my rought english



Re: [Amel] A new member

Lars H. Knudsen <museum@...>
 

Hi Ivan



Can you tell me what you pay for your berth or mooring in Mallorca?

I am considering moving my Santorin from Tunisia to Spain later this year
and are currently investigating the costs involved.



Best regards,

Lars

Santorin Salvagny #79



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i-campbell@utvinternet.co.uk
Sendt: 23. juli 2009 11:11
Til: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Emne: Re: [Amel] A new member





Hi Xaviar

We are on a Satorin in Mallorca but we come from the north
of Ireland. I still think the best cruising ground in the
world is the west coast of Ireland.

Enjoy your cruising

Ivan Campbell

Ocean Hobo

Hi guys,

I just join the group and thought that I had to introduce
myself.

My name is Xavier a french fellow sailor currently sailing
and living aboard a 1993 Santorin sloop that my late father
bought brand new. The boat has already sailed around the
world and done a few transat either with my parents on
board or with some close friends of them.

After three years on shore, I finaly decided that it was
time for the boat and I to get wet again.

I am actually in west Ireland with a friend of mine and
after visiting the Aran Island, we are coming back home in
Normandy to prepare the boat for a new trans atlantic that
I will do alone.

I have been sailing on this boat more than 5000 miles
already (must of them as a deck hand) and I am looking
forward more adventures. So far the plan is to sail from
Normandy across biscane bay then to Madeira, Cape Verde,
Senegal, Brasil, Venezuela ... and then who knows.

I am lookimg forward all the advices I can get on this
forum concerning preparing, upgrading and maintening the
boat.

Sail smooth

Xavier

PS : sorry for my rought english





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Re: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50

Ric <ric@...>
 

Good sense would suggest engine survey, then get list of work to be
done including "timing". My sn24 built in 1990 runs strong and most
everyone can repair & Maintain.

On Jul 23, 2009, at 5:07 AM, "GrahamJohnston42" <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com
> wrote:

We are hoping to buy a Sharki in the next week, we have a choice of
two both of which have the Perkins Prima 50 fitted.
I have read both good and bad comments with regard to these
engines.THe bad being the high price of parts and poor quality wiring.

Has anyone got any experience with the Prima 50, any comments would
be appreciated?

Regards
Graham


Re: Perkins Prima 50

amarsini <alberto.marsini@...>
 

Dear Graham,
I do not know if you mean the Perkins 4108. If it is so I can say that my Sharky has that engine and it has 5700 working hours, it is 1986.
I have this boat since 3 years, we made a refurbishing of the engine, without cylinder renewal.
I know that this kind of engine has the major problem of oil leeking and when it is quite old, from time to time, you have to add some oil.
From the refurbishing of the engine this problem is really much better. the oil leeking ir quite finished for the moment. It is due, from what I understood, to the driving axle gaskets.
I'm quite happy about it, I definitely think that mine is one of the oldest model steel working and with the most of the hours!
If you want you see some pics of my engine in the picture section at the following link
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1798188302/pic/list?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc


I hope this will be interesting for you.
ciao

Alberto

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "GrahamJohnston42" <grahamjohnston42@...> wrote:

We are hoping to buy a Sharki in the next week, we have a choice of two both of which have the Perkins Prima 50 fitted.
I have read both good and bad comments with regard to these engines.THe bad being the high price of parts and poor quality wiring.

Has anyone got any experience with the Prima 50, any comments would be appreciated?

Regards
Graham


Re: [Amel] A new member

i-campbell@utvinternet.co.uk <i-campbell@...>
 

Hi Xaviar

We are on a Satorin in Mallorca but we come from the north
of Ireland. I still think the best cruising ground in the
world is the west coast of Ireland.

Enjoy your cruising

Ivan Campbell

Ocean Hobo

Hi guys,

I just join the group and thought that I had to introduce
myself.

My name is Xavier a french fellow sailor currently sailing
and living aboard a 1993 Santorin sloop that my late father
bought brand new. The boat has already sailed around the
world and done a few transat either with my parents on
board or with some close friends of them.

After three years on shore, I finaly decided that it was
time for the boat and I to get wet again.

I am actually in west Ireland with a friend of mine and
after visiting the Aran Island, we are coming back home in
Normandy to prepare the boat for a new trans atlantic that
I will do alone.

I have been sailing on this boat more than 5000 miles
already (must of them as a deck hand) and I am looking
forward more adventures. So far the plan is to sail from
Normandy across biscane bay then to Madeira, Cape Verde,
Senegal, Brasil, Venezuela ... and then who knows.

I am lookimg forward all the advices I can get on this
forum concerning preparing, upgrading and maintening the
boat.

Sail smooth

Xavier

PS : sorry for my rought english


Perkins Prima 50

GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
 

We are hoping to buy a Sharki in the next week, we have a choice of two both of which have the Perkins Prima 50 fitted.
I have read both good and bad comments with regard to these engines.THe bad being the high price of parts and poor quality wiring.

Has anyone got any experience with the Prima 50, any comments would be appreciated?

Regards
Graham


Re: [Amel] sharki hull number 30

Dave_Benjamin
 

Eric,
Was that the one that for sale out here in Alameda, CA?A friend of mine was interested in that one and I checked it out with him. I am pretty sure  it sold since the new owner contacted me about new sails.

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, ericmeury <ericmeury@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ericmeury <ericmeury@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] sharki hull number 30
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 4:13 PM













 





i'm looking for the contact info for sharki owner that ownes hull number 30...anybody have his email address or phone number



mine is 317-225-5876


sharki hull number 30

ericmeury <ericmeury@...>
 

i'm looking for the contact info for sharki owner that ownes hull number 30...anybody have his email address or phone number

mine is 317-225-5876


Re: [Amel] Re:Advice Removing Fixed Prop (still hoping for some help)

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Ken, take the nut off, put a puller on the prop.  apply pressure with the puller.  IF the prop does not move, with a brass bar "tap" the hub of the prop between the blades.  SHould that fail.  Get a torch and heat just the prop hub between the blades in three places, then add some added pressure to the puller.  once the prop is hot you can apply something like liquid wrench to the shaft above the prop. that should do the trick.  All of the above failing, cut the shaft and press off the prop.  When you put it back together grease the shaft taper.Richard and Joan SM 209 formerly of M 183

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, Ken & Judy <goldendaze@uuplus.com> wrote:

From: Ken & Judy <goldendaze@uuplus.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re:Advice Removing Fixed Prop (still hoping for some help)
To: "Amel Owners" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 8:23 AM













 





If you have a bronze shaft be careful using the prop puller.

I had two problems. One, a worker cross threaded the nut.

Two. Another worker hit the prop puller so hard he swelled

up the threaded part of the shaft. We had to cut the shaft

in two (inside the boat) with a sabre saw to get the shaft

past the rudder with the prop on, then use a press. Put in

a new SS shaft.

Ken Coats

Maramu 192

Golden Daze

Alanya Turkey


Re: Advice Removing Fixed Prop (still hoping for some help)

Ken & Judy <goldendaze@...>
 

If you have a bronze shaft be careful using the prop puller.
I had two problems. One, a worker cross threaded the nut.
Two. Another worker hit the prop puller so hard he swelled
up the threaded part of the shaft. We had to cut the shaft
in two (inside the boat) with a sabre saw to get the shaft
past the rudder with the prop on, then use a press. Put in
a new SS shaft.
Ken Coats
Maramu 192
Golden Daze
Alanya Turkey


Re: [Amel] A new member

Dave_Benjamin
 

Congratulations and all the best with your adventures.No apology needed for your English writing. I can assure you if I wrote anything in French it would be unreadable.

--- On Tue, 7/21/09, Xavier LUCAS <lucas.xav@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Xavier LUCAS <lucas.xav@gmail.com>
Subject: [Amel] A new member
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 2:32 PM













 





Hi guys,



I just join the group and thought that I had to introduce myself.



My name is Xavier a french fellow sailor currently sailing and living aboard a 1993 Santorin sloop that my late father bought brand new. The boat has already sailed around the world and done a few transat either with my parents on board or with some close friends of them.



After three years on shore, I finaly decided that it was time for the boat and I to get wet again.



I am actually in west Ireland with a friend of mine and after visiting the Aran Island, we are coming back home in Normandy to prepare the boat for a new trans atlantic that I will do alone.



I have been sailing on this boat more than 5000 miles already (must of them as a deck hand) and I am looking forward more adventures. So far the plan is to sail from Normandy across biscane bay then to Madeira, Cape Verde, Senegal, Brasil, Venezuela ... and then who knows.



I am lookimg forward all the advices I can get on this forum concerning preparing, upgrading and maintening the boat.



Sail smooth



Xavier



PS : sorry for my rought english


A new member

Xavier LUCAS
 

Hi guys,

I just join the group and thought that I had to introduce myself.

My name is Xavier a french fellow sailor currently sailing and living aboard a 1993 Santorin sloop that my late father bought brand new. The boat has already sailed around the world and done a few transat either with my parents on board or with some close friends of them.

After three years on shore, I finaly decided that it was time for the boat and I to get wet again.

I am actually in west Ireland with a friend of mine and after visiting the Aran Island, we are coming back home in Normandy to prepare the boat for a new trans atlantic that I will do alone.

I have been sailing on this boat more than 5000 miles already (must of them as a deck hand) and I am looking forward more adventures. So far the plan is to sail from Normandy across biscane bay then to Madeira, Cape Verde, Senegal, Brasil, Venezuela ... and then who knows.

I am lookimg forward all the advices I can get on this forum concerning preparing, upgrading and maintening the boat.

Sail smooth

Xavier

PS : sorry for my rought english


Re: [Amel] Advice Removing Fixed Prop (still hoping for some help)

kimberlite@...
 

Bob,
use whatever works, to bend the tabs out toward the bow i would use a cold chisel to gently open the space and then use a flat ended punch to bend it totally out of the way.

If you use grade 5 bolts on the prop puller you will probably not need heat on the prop. If the bolts break then use the higher grade bolts.they are black and a big big breaker bar possibly with a piece of pipe attached top the bar to make it longer.

The prop puller for the autoprop works on the fixed prop. A pulley puller can be purchased from any auto supply. Just be careful with a store bought puller, usually they have a point on the end that has to be modified with a file to fit the shaft without damaging it.

Eric

Sm 376 Kimberlite

----- Original Message -----
From: rossirossix4
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009 7:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] Advice Removing Fixed Prop (still hoping for some help)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Thanks, the tab doesn't seem to have much space do move.

Am I correct in assuming that I push it toward the bow of the
boat? With a pliars?Screw driver? Is there a technique to this?

I assume that the prop nut loosens counterclockwise. Is that the case?

Thanks again.

Bob
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite@... wrote:

Bob,
If the setup is anything like mine, the tab has to be bent
away from the nut to remove the nut. It is a retainer for the nut.
When you are done, bend the tabs back against the nut,
fair winds,
eric sm 387

----- Original Message -----
From: rossirossix4
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:16 pm
Subject: [Amel] Advice Removing Fixed Prop (still hoping for
some help)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

I am hoping to get some advice on removing my fixed prop
from my
1993 Amel. Mine is a Santorin, but I expect that Super M's
from
the same time are applicable.

There is a prop spinner nut that will take a wrench but also
appears to be a small metal tab coming from the union of the
spinner and the prop.

Can anyone give me any advice on this? Also, once the
spinner
nut is removed, is there another trick?

Thanks,

Bob Brittany de la Mer






Re: [Amel] Advice Removing Fixed Prop (still hoping for some help)

rossirossix4
 

Thanks, the tab doesn't seem to have much space do move.

Am I correct in assuming that I push it toward the bow of the boat? With a pliars?Screw driver? Is there a technique to this?

I assume that the prop nut loosens counterclockwise. Is that the case?

Thanks again.

Bob

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite@... wrote:

Bob,
If the setup is anything like mine, the tab has to be bent away from the nut to remove the nut. It is a retainer for the nut.
When you are done, bend the tabs back against the nut,
fair winds,
eric sm 387

----- Original Message -----
From: rossirossix4
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:16 pm
Subject: [Amel] Advice Removing Fixed Prop (still hoping for some help)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

I am hoping to get some advice on removing my fixed prop from my
1993 Amel. Mine is a Santorin, but I expect that Super M's from
the same time are applicable.

There is a prop spinner nut that will take a wrench but also
appears to be a small metal tab coming from the union of the
spinner and the prop.

Can anyone give me any advice on this? Also, once the spinner
nut is removed, is there another trick?

Thanks,

Bob Brittany de la Mer





Re: [Amel] Advice Removing Fixed Prop (still hoping for some help)

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Bob, once you get the nut off you will need a puller to get the prop off the shaft.  There are three tapped holes in the for three screws.  So, you make up a puller with a center bolt to use as puller, screw in the three screws and put some pressure on the pulling nut.  Then with a brass bar tap on the side of the prop hub to get it come off.  If a some pressure from the pull and some tapping does not work you'll need to add some heat to the prop hub.  Once off are you planning to change the seals and bearings.  Be ready with a 5 gallon bucket to catch the 2 gallons of oil inside that housing.  Have the bearings and three seals BEFORE you start.  Pack the seals in axel grease when you put it back together. Be very sure that the shaft and prop are very clean before you put it back together.  Tighten the Nut let it set while you have a coffee then pull it home, and bend over the tab.  Good luck Richard and Joan on Challenge SM 209

--- On Sun, 7/19/09, kimberlite@optonline.net <kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote:

From: kimberlite@optonline.net <kimberlite@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Advice Removing Fixed Prop (still hoping for some help)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 3:32 PM






 





Bob,

If the setup is anything like mine, the tab has to be bent away from the nut to remove the nut. It is a retainer for the nut.

When you are done, bend the tabs back against the nut,

fair winds,

eric sm 387



----- Original Message -----

From: rossirossix4

Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:16 pm

Subject: [Amel] Advice Removing Fixed Prop (still hoping for some help)

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com



I am hoping to get some advice on removing my fixed prop from my
1993 Amel. Mine is a Santorin, but I expect that Super M's from
the same time are applicable.
There is a prop spinner nut that will take a wrench but also
appears to be a small metal tab coming from the union of the
spinner and the prop.
Can anyone give me any advice on this? Also, once the spinner
nut is removed, is there another trick?
Thanks,
Bob Brittany de la Mer


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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Advice Removing Fixed Prop (still hoping for some help)

kimberlite@...
 

Bob,
If the setup is anything like mine, the tab has to be bent away from the nut to remove the nut. It is a retainer for the nut.
When you are done, bend the tabs back against the nut,
fair winds,
eric sm 387

----- Original Message -----
From: rossirossix4
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:16 pm
Subject: [Amel] Advice Removing Fixed Prop (still hoping for some help)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

I am hoping to get some advice on removing my fixed prop from my
1993 Amel. Mine is a Santorin, but I expect that Super M's from
the same time are applicable.

There is a prop spinner nut that will take a wrench but also
appears to be a small metal tab coming from the union of the
spinner and the prop.

Can anyone give me any advice on this? Also, once the spinner
nut is removed, is there another trick?

Thanks,

Bob Brittany de la Mer



Web Domains Pointing to Our Users Group

rossirossix4
 

Just FYI I have two domains that are forwarded to our group. These are www.amelyachtowners.com (forwarded some time ago)and www.amelownersgroup.com (just forwarded--so give it an hour or so to point correctly)

Hopefully these will make it easier to find the group when using a computer that doesn't have it our group bookmarked.

Bob
1993 Santorin Brittany de la Mer


Advice Removing Fixed Prop (still hoping for some help)

rossirossix4
 

I am hoping to get some advice on removing my fixed prop from my 1993 Amel. Mine is a Santorin, but I expect that Super M's from the same time are applicable.

There is a prop spinner nut that will take a wrench but also appears to be a small metal tab coming from the union of the spinner and the prop.

Can anyone give me any advice on this? Also, once the spinner nut is removed, is there another trick?

Thanks,

Bob Brittany de la Mer