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Re: Dolphin power 1 battery chargers

Stefan Jeukendrup
 

Hi Ross,

Appologies for the delay in answering, sailing to Datca now ;-)

The manual is now on the forum under Files, Search, type "Dolphin"

 

* suggest to ask D. for a manual of your 100A charger, email contact@...

* the solar MPPT settings are important as it does most of the time the final charge cutoff.

The batteries and accessoires of your 24V stack must be exactly the same:

* all battery cables must be in good condition e.g. isolation,  crimping, oxidation

* cables to the battery terminals must be of the same length and cross section.

* suggest to install one or more Victron battery balancers, if not done already

 

Hope this is helpfull,


Stefan Jeukendrup

sv Malaka Queen

SM2k #348  ~to Turkey


Re: Water hoses in engine room

Vic Fryzel
 

Thanks Kevin! This is extremely useful!! I'll be following all that advice.

Thanks,
- Vic


On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 5:09 AM Kevin Fox via groups.io <foxkm=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Vic,

I'm no expert, but here are my experiences.  I've recently replaced a lot of the engine room hoses on Rascal due to rusted hose clamps, stiff hoses, and to simplify some non-Amel modifications.

1. I've been using various grades of Trident hose for fresh and sea water.  They are mostly transparent but reinforced with either fiber or a PVC helix.  It's helpful to be able to see whether liquid is inside, particularly when troubleshooting a bilge pump issue.
2. Doubling the hose clamps is dependent upon the length of the fitting that the hose slips over.  If the fitting is too short, adding a second hose clamp can do more harm than good.  If there's room, I've used two.  Be sure to look for good quality stainless steel hose clamps, preferably not the perforated type.
3. I don't know.  Rascal had a minimal number of valves in the water systems and I've kept it that way.  I added a lot of isolation valves when re-plumbing my house, and they weren't worth the trouble.  I replaced a couple leaking metallic valves on Rascal's water maker with PVC valves.  I'll be watching to see how well they hold up.  
4. A ratcheting pipe cutter or flexible tubing cutter will make your job much easier by giving fast, clean cuts:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-Flexible-Tube-Cutter-97642/304217583?modalType=drawer
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-1-1-4-in-Ratcheting-PVC-Cutter-16PL0101-1/304217581?modalType=drawer
A heat gun is very helpful for both removal and installation of hoses.  I use a cordless one, which avoids combining AC voltages with work close to water:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Heat-Gun-Tool-Only-P3150/306925921?modalType=drawer
5. You need to use hose that is reinforced so that it doesn't collapse under the vacuum of the bilge pumps.  It will be sold as bilge hose.
6. I ordered my materials online from Defender.  I wasn't able to use a local supplier, but I'm sure there are a few in San Diego.  The reason I've been using Trident hose is simply because that's what Defender sells.
7. I don't know.  I do frequent visual checks, and my family knows to report any water where there shouldn't be water, or any pumps running at unexpected times.
8. I believe there are some topics here on cleaning water heaters.  I haven't tried it.  I just replaced ours due to a slow leak in the tank.

-- 
Kevin and Elise Fox
SM404 Rascal
Charleston, SC


Re: Dolphin power 1 battery chargers

Barry Connor
 

Hi Bill,
Totally agree with you about Varta. Bought mine in Croatia 2 years ago and they are nearly finished. Absolute rubbish.  We are full time on the boat and have been very careful with our batteries. That’s why I am now changing to Lithium.
The Zoom was interesting, thank you for organizing it. But, I want 24V 100Amh not 24V 50Amh, at least 600Amh bank. Also a single BMS not individual BMS on each battery. I will get the latest Victron Quattro 24/8000 which will run the entire electrical system once hooked up to the 230v control panel. Generator and any Shore Power hook up will just be used to charge the Lithium batteries. My 175amh engine alternator will have a controller installed to ensure it does not burn out.
Currently installed Solar Panels give up to 30 Amp, looking to increase this slightly. New Solar Panels now available for the back arch now produce from top and bottom (sun reflected off water).
Oliver on “Vela Nautica” has done his boat and has designed my system and is organizing all batteries and equipment, all items should be here in Martinique by October. I am fortunate that Oliver is at the same anchorage and stuck here with me for the next few months due to Covid-19 restrictions😎.
Once we start I will post how we get this done. 

Very Best

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 


On Aug 20, 2020, at 09:59, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Ross and Donna,

It is hard to say for sure. I had the same "non-changeable" Dolphin chargers on 2003 BeBe SM 387. In about 2007, I wanted to replace almost 4-year-old original Delco France Freedom batteries with FullRiver AGMs. I sent the FullRiver AGM charging parameters to Dolphin and asked them if I could install them. Their response was "Yes," which was obviously what I wanted to hear. I do not think it is that simple.

I believe the more exact the charging parameters match the battery, the longer the life of the batteries. Those AGMs lasted about 4 years...not bad for the price I paid. For full-time cruising, regardless of the battery you buy (except for Lithium), my advice is hope for 3 years and if you get 4 years, consider yourself lucky. The worst set of batteries I bought was the set to replace the above AGMs. They were Varta Freedom batteries bought in Greece for 3,000 euros for 13 batteries. They began to fail in 6 months and were completely gone in 12 months. Varta did nothing! The measure of the experience was not the failure, but what Varta did. Of course, they suspected my use and chargers. That was a bad assumption on their part, even though I suspect that it is a valid assumption more times than not. The chargers were fine and I never allow the bank to go lower than 70%...you were wrong Varta and I hope many read this.

Lastly, do not forget the 24-volt alternator. It charges the battery bank more than you realize and if your SM has the original, it does not have a smart regulator. Installing a smart regulator can probably do more to extend the life of your battery bank on a SM than anything else you do.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 12:01 AM Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io <southernadventurer=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks for sending this through Bill, it is very helpful.

The 100amp charger that we have is the one in the first picture (JPG) that you forwarded. It does not physically have a switch. Does this mean that the charger can be used for Gel without doing anything?

The 30 amp actually has a switch which was already set to Gel.

Kind regards

Ross and Donna



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Thursday, August 20, 2020, 1:08 am, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Ross and Donna 

It depends. Dolphin changed those chargers 3 times. First was no switch, then an A/B switch, then a selector switch with 10 different settings. 
Here are a few things that may help: 




CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:21 AM Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io <southernadventurer=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks Stefan,

Can you please send the attachment.

Kind regards 
Ross


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 2:30 pm, Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@...> wrote:

Hi Ross,

Here is the French manual for the 30/50A  charger Dolphin/ CATS POWER DESIGN  send me.
It has a switch "Gel"or "free".


Hope this helps you,

Stefan Jeukendrup
svMalaka Queen
SM2k #348 ~ Montenegro-Turkey


Re: Dolphin power 1 battery chargers

 

Ross and Donna,

It is hard to say for sure. I had the same "non-changeable" Dolphin chargers on 2003 BeBe SM 387. In about 2007, I wanted to replace almost 4-year-old original Delco France Freedom batteries with FullRiver AGMs. I sent the FullRiver AGM charging parameters to Dolphin and asked them if I could install them. Their response was "Yes," which was obviously what I wanted to hear. I do not think it is that simple.

I believe the more exact the charging parameters match the battery, the longer the life of the batteries. Those AGMs lasted about 4 years...not bad for the price I paid. For full-time cruising, regardless of the battery you buy (except for Lithium), my advice is hope for 3 years and if you get 4 years, consider yourself lucky. The worst set of batteries I bought was the set to replace the above AGMs. They were Varta Freedom batteries bought in Greece for 3,000 euros for 13 batteries. They began to fail in 6 months and were completely gone in 12 months. Varta did nothing! The measure of the experience was not the failure, but what Varta did. Of course, they suspected my use and chargers. That was a bad assumption on their part, even though I suspect that it is a valid assumption more times than not. The chargers were fine and I never allow the bank to go lower than 70%...you were wrong Varta and I hope many read this.

Lastly, do not forget the 24-volt alternator. It charges the battery bank more than you realize and if your SM has the original, it does not have a smart regulator. Installing a smart regulator can probably do more to extend the life of your battery bank on a SM than anything else you do.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 12:01 AM Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io <southernadventurer=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks for sending this through Bill, it is very helpful.

The 100amp charger that we have is the one in the first picture (JPG) that you forwarded. It does not physically have a switch. Does this mean that the charger can be used for Gel without doing anything?

The 30 amp actually has a switch which was already set to Gel.

Kind regards

Ross and Donna



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Thursday, August 20, 2020, 1:08 am, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Ross and Donna 

It depends. Dolphin changed those chargers 3 times. First was no switch, then an A/B switch, then a selector switch with 10 different settings. 
Here are a few things that may help: 




CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:21 AM Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io <southernadventurer=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks Stefan,

Can you please send the attachment.

Kind regards 
Ross


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 2:30 pm, Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@...> wrote:

Hi Ross,

Here is the French manual for the 30/50A  charger Dolphin/ CATS POWER DESIGN  send me.
It has a switch "Gel"or "free".


Hope this helps you,

Stefan Jeukendrup
svMalaka Queen
SM2k #348 ~ Montenegro-Turkey


Re: Dolphin power 1 battery chargers

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Thanks for sending this through Bill, it is very helpful.

The 100amp charger that we have is the one in the first picture (JPG) that you forwarded. It does not physically have a switch. Does this mean that the charger can be used for Gel without doing anything?

The 30 amp actually has a switch which was already set to Gel.

Kind regards

Ross and Donna

On Thursday, August 20, 2020, 1:08 am, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Ross and Donna 

It depends. Dolphin changed those chargers 3 times. First was no switch, then an A/B switch, then a selector switch with 10 different settings. 
Here are a few things that may help: 




CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:21 AM Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io <southernadventurer=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks Stefan,

Can you please send the attachment.

Kind regards 
Ross


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 2:30 pm, Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@...> wrote:

Hi Ross,

Here is the French manual for the 30/50A  charger Dolphin/ CATS POWER DESIGN  send me.
It has a switch "Gel"or "free".


Hope this helps you,

Stefan Jeukendrup
svMalaka Queen
SM2k #348 ~ Montenegro-Turkey


Re: Dolphin power 1 battery chargers

 

Ross and Donna 

It depends. Dolphin changed those chargers 3 times. First was no switch, then an A/B switch, then a selector switch with 10 different settings. 
Here are a few things that may help: 




CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:21 AM Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io <southernadventurer=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks Stefan,

Can you please send the attachment.

Kind regards 
Ross


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 2:30 pm, Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@...> wrote:

Hi Ross,

Here is the French manual for the 30/50A  charger Dolphin/ CATS POWER DESIGN  send me.
It has a switch "Gel"or "free".


Hope this helps you,

Stefan Jeukendrup
svMalaka Queen
SM2k #348 ~ Montenegro-Turkey


Re: Wifi extenders and the bonding system

Arno Luijten
 

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 05:13 PM, Scott SV Tengah wrote:
Mikrotik has a wifi extender
Hi Scott,

You made me curious about this Microtik product. Having worked with Cisco's Router OS, I'm not so easily scared off by this stuff, but this must be the worst documented piece of hardware ever! It's like having to read the whole phone book for one phone number. So kudos for you that you found a way to get it working. In contrast the Bitstorm Badboy is idiot proof. A build in webserver takes care of your config. It also does NOT support more then one client unless you buy the other toy from them (Called Unleashed), but as I have a proper router with potentially 4 WAN interfaces I don't care. It does require a bit of setup on the router play nicely with the LTE interface but that is fairly easy if you are into that stuff.
It is a bit of a shame they stopped selling it, even with the inflated pricetag. They do not mention isolating the body but with their standard mounting hardware it will be isolated because of it. They do provide you with a SWR analysis of the supplied antenna.

What surprised me, given your results is that the claimed receiver sensitivity of the Mikrotik is -93dB whereas the Badboy claims -96dB (a factor of 2). Transmitting 27dB vs. 36dB.
From my experience the Badboy does connect quite OK most of the time but congestion makes the connection very often almost useless. In Curacao I had a relatively quiet network and could use Netflix without issues. That is something like 2-4 Mb/s if I recall correctly.
I agree that the 5 MHz is mostly useless also because most public WiFi uses 2.4 only

Regards,

Arno


Re: Wifi extenders and the bonding system

Scott SV Tengah
 

I think it really depends on your use case. We are rarely in marinas and in some of the places we've been, mobile data is quite expensive and generally not truly unlimited. In Hawaii, anchored nearly 1/2 mile offshore, we could easily get wifi from shore as long as our antenna was mounted high. During our 14 day covid quarantine time, we were pretty happy for that.

In any event, I was using a 2.4ghz Bullet model and then a 2.4ghz Alfa model. 2.4ghz generally travels further but is more prone to interference, as some have noted. For longer distance connections, it's usually the way to go.

Mikrotik has a wifi extender product that does both 2.4ghz and 5ghz and can do it with one antenna (Groove 52 AC), but I would not recommend Mikrotik's products unless you have access to a very capable network engineer or you understand how to create interfaces in their configuration software for the wifi wan portion, the local lan portion, create virtual interfaces for each of the aforementioned wan/lan physical interfaces and then create a bridge that connects them. Oh and you have to setup DHCP servers and Clients manually. I had my VP engineering friend do it and I still probably couldn't repeat it. When I first got my Mikrotik Wap AC (internal wifi router), I couldn't even figure out how to connect to the device to set it up! But once setup, it's extremely powerful and reliable. Better than any router I have ever used.

As a side note, I asked on Mikrotik's technical forums regarding case grounding. I was told that the Mikrotik Groove/metal, Ubiquiti Bullet and Alfa ALL have the antenna connector connected to DC- via the circuit board. That means the only way to prevent introducing DC- to your rigging is to either put the whole wifi extender device into a non-conductive housing and mount that or get the plastic version of those devices and mount it via the plastic case. Any other way and you violate Amel's floating ground bonding. And if you don't have a later model a54 or newer, your Amel Mass+/- tester light won't show this leak since prior to later A54s, the rigging wasn't connected to the bonding system and hence the Amel tester light.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Amel 54. Has anyone ever taken the electric diesel tank level meter/sensor out of the tank?

Arno Luijten
 

Thanks all for the replies. The code WEMA S2-1170F makes me think the sensor has a length of 1170mm which sounds about right for the given tank. A good tip about the poor power-supply to the sensor. I'm planning to hook it up to the EVC-C system to get some more use out of these Volvo electronics.
That should be fairly straightforward once I have the cable-harnass for this thing from VP. I'm curios to see if it will send the data across a NMEA2000 bridge. It also means I can remove this silly box in the locker where the diesel filler resides.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Amel 54. Has anyone ever taken the electric diesel tank level meter/sensor out of the tank?

Gary Wells
 
Edited

I replaced the sensor on Adagio and could not find an exact match (I forget the model number, but it was indeed on a label on the sensor).

I wrote to Wema, they offered a couple of options and  finally they custom built a 20 sensor unit that was reasonably priced and shipped quicky.

I was extremely pleased with how they worked with me and how the replacement part for and works. 

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA


Re: Dolphin power 1 battery chargers

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Thanks Stefan,

Can you please send the attachment.

Kind regards 

On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 2:30 pm, Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@...> wrote:

Hi Ross,

Here is the French manual for the 30/50A  charger Dolphin/ CATS POWER DESIGN  send me.
It has a switch "Gel"or "free".


Hope this helps you,

Stefan Jeukendrup
svMalaka Queen
SM2k #348 ~ Montenegro-Turkey


Re: Wifi extenders and the bonding system

Mark Garver
 

I will second what Arno says about Marina wi-fi, I have an extender on the backstay, didn’t help with internet performance. Sure it gave me better wi-fi signal, but internet still sucked. After speaking with a few others at the marina, I went with the following solution which works great. You have to supply your own 4G SIM Card and data plan, but this thing rocks and for the price it is a great option.


Mark
SV-Its Good
SM #105
Gloucester Point, VA

On Aug 18, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

Scott,

There are still Badboys for sale here at Island Waterworld. I can’t test the thing at the moment as the boat is away for the hurricane season.

I did do the same tests as you for connectivity and found the connection quality much better at lower levels and away from the mast. Most marinas I’ve been either have a domestic router working so bad (congestion) it makes no sense to use them anyway or they use several directional antennas pointed at the different pontoons. The latter assumes connection at lower levels.
From experience I prefer using a 3/4G SIM & router to save myself the annoyance of Acces point congestion you get in most “free” WiFi spots.

Cheers,

Arno


Re: 175A alternator belts

Lior Keydar
 

Dear Nick

My hull nr. is #18... As I bought the boat, I also had the 175A alternator and it was the same problem. 
There was also  a package from Amel with a replacement to this alternator. Mastervolt 110A and its regulator. In order to install the new alternator, you have to release the Volvo Engine from its place and connect the alternator on the left side of the engine. At this solution, you use the same belt that is used for the sea water pump. 
It is not such a simple solution but if you are interested, AMEL will be for sure able to help you with more information.

Lior
Sharona, A54 #18


Re: Dolphin power 1 battery chargers

Stefan Jeukendrup
 

Hi Ross,

Here is the French manual for the 30/50A  charger Dolphin/ CATS POWER DESIGN  send me.
It has a switch "Gel"or "free".


Hope this helps you,

Stefan Jeukendrup
svMalaka Queen
SM2k #348 ~ Montenegro-Turkey


Dolphin power 1 battery chargers

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi team,

Can anyone advise if the Dolphin power 1 - 24v/100amp and 24v/30amp chargers can be programmed to accept Gel batteries.

If not any advise on best charger set up to accept Gel batteries and adjustments to service alternator regulator would be appreciated.

The Gel batteries would also be charged by three 215W solar panels through a Victron MPPT.

Kind regards
Ross and Donna
SM2K 2000
Intrepid Kiwi
Currently in Turkey


Re: New Generator

Heinz Stutenbaeumer
 

Hallo i ordert the 

Marine Onan RS 8 QD Model MDKBW


It is a littel bit smaler and not so heavy but it has more rpm 
Cheers Heinz

Am 19.08.2020 09:20 schrieb Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...>:

Hallo Heinz

May I ask which generstor you took must have a new one too.

Best Elja
SM Balu
222



Von meinem iPhone gesendet





Re: New Generator

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Hallo Heinz

May I ask which generstor you took must have a new one too.

Best Elja
SM Balu
222



Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: Wifi extenders and the bonding system

Gerhard Mueller
 

Are you using the 2.4 GHz or the 5 GHz Ubiqiti? I don't know a dual band Ubiquiti.
I'm using the 2.4 GHz Ubiquiti for over 10 years now in its plastic case without any problems but in European marinas.
Some knowledge about networking is useful anyway, e.g. if you have another router in your network there must be only one DHCP.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


New Generator

heinz@quetzal.berlin
 


Hello 
The new generator was installed in my Quetzal. Now the problem is that the old exhaust outlet is a bit bigger than the old one. The old exhaust is 40mm, the new 50mm. The company that installs the generator suggests to reduce the diameter. Another variant would be to enlarge the fuselage passage, i.e. to replace it. Is there someone with experience 
Thank you for your messages, stay healthy. 
Heinz sv Quetzal, Sm 2000, 292, Whangarei NZ at the moment because of Corona unfortunately not on board but in Berlin 


Re: Amel 54. Has anyone ever taken the electric diesel tank level meter/sensor out of the tank?

Stefan Jeukendrup
 

Hi Arno,


I can only tell for my SM2000 #348, hoping that a 54  has a similar solution.
WEMA S2-1170F
It is basically  a resistor divider with reed relays. The float contains a magnet closing one of the reed relays.

I found that the inaccuracy was due to the natural 24V battery voltage changes and the bleeder resistor.
So I put a 12V voltage regulator in series and changed the bleeder resistor value so that there is always a constant 12V on top of the resistor divider.
Then  checked its calibration ( by tank volume/ float position comparison)
It is better now.

Hope this helps you,

Stefan Jeukendrup
sv Malaka Queen
SM2k #348  @ Montenegro

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