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Re: Mainsail outhaul on 54
Hi,
I'm not sure how that would work. You would need to put the purchase on both sides of the outhaul to keep keep the line speed the same on both sides of he outhaul. That would give you even more problems putting enough tension on the line to prevent it from slipping the line tender. Apart from not having enough space on the boom to do this I think. Regards, Arno Luijten, SV Luna, A54-121
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New rub rail inserts
Patrick McAneny
In a previous post about a month ago I asked if any owners would like to join in a group buy of new rub rail inserts. I had several responses ,a few from as far as Australia to the Med. I urged them to contact Maud at Amel about purchasing directly from Amel ,as it would probably as cheap or probably cheaper shipping from France . The only reason I decided to have the inserts produced in the US was to save the shipping cost overseas ,which due to the size and weight was going to be approx. $1,600. not including duty. I believe we should support Amel sales when possible. I am pretty sure Amel has the inserts produced by a third party and sells them at a small mark up ,as I was unable to have them produced here any cheaper,actually about the same exact price. The only one making money is the shipping /airlines companies.
Before I and the other owners in the group buy, place our orders ,I thought I would report back to the group now that we have the insert produced to announce a (Last Call ),to see if any other owners would like to join us in purchasing new inserts. Craig on an SN and I on a SM have both received a two foot sample of the new inserts. We both agree that it is virtually a exact copy of the original ,we both installed it on our boats and it fit perfectly . It is produced in South Florida in a very slightly off white and will be shipped from Miami. The cost is $8.90 /ft. plus approx. $128.00 for the die,which will be reduced by more buyers. For a SM that would be approx. $934. + $128. = $1,062. plus shipping to your destination. I estimated my shipping ,east coast US approx. $200.00 Apparently on newer models of the SM Amel changed the insert somewhat and I cannot say if what we have produced will or will not fit or replace the newer design. Our insert gutter is rounded ,the newer design is sort of more square. I am enclosing pictures of the sample of the new white insert as well as a cross section of my original insert for you to compare against what you now have. This production run is only possible because we have a number of buyers , this purchase is a one off ,so if you are in or close to the US and would like to replace your old inserts ,please contact me direct at sailw32@... . If you are outside of the U.S., I would urge you to contact Maud at Amel to make your purchase. I will wait until Sept. 5 for addition orders ,then the final order will be placed. Thank You, Pat McAneny SM Shenanigans #123
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Dowty seal on SM 302
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hello,
I am in London, Pen Azen in Greece. When we get on board ( next month !) I will need to replace the Dowty seal on the bolt just beneath the prop, from which drains the oil in the leg.
Does anyone know the dimensions of the Dowty seal on that bolt ?
Ian and Judy,
Pen Azen, SM 302 Kilada Greece
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Re: Raw Water Manifold Failure - A54
thanks!
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From: Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io <southernadventurer@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io; paul.dowd@... <paul.dowd@...> Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2020 10:10 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Raw Water Manifold Failure - A54
Hi Jamie,
I just replaced ours that was 18 years old. The original was still good when I removed it and there was very little corrosion inside the manifold. I did not like the plastic hose fitting at the raw water intake end. I could have kept the original and reinstalled but decided since I had removed it that I would have a stainless steel one manufactured. I kept the old one for a spare although I am not likely to need it myself.
I had Emek marine in Gocek, Turkey build one as they have built the stainless manifolds for numerous Amels which also have a zinc anode in the end. The price and quality of work was very good.
Attached is a photo of the installed manifold.
Kind regards
Ross Hickey
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently in Turkey
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:47 pm, Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:
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Re: Raw Water Manifold Failure - A54
Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
Hi Jamie,
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I just replaced ours that was 18 years old. The original was still good when I removed it and there was very little corrosion inside the manifold. I did not like the plastic hose fitting at the raw water intake end. I could have kept the original and reinstalled but decided since I had removed it that I would have a stainless steel one manufactured. I kept the old one for a spare although I am not likely to need it myself. I had Emek marine in Gocek, Turkey build one as they have built the stainless manifolds for numerous Amels which also have a zinc anode in the end. The price and quality of work was very good. Attached is a photo of the installed manifold. Kind regards Ross Hickey SV Intrepid Kiwi SM2K #356 Currently in Turkey
On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:47 pm, Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:
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Re: Raw Water Manifold Failure - A54
Jamie I had same issue on my SM. I sprung a leak while sailing - a small but persistent pin hole leak in manifold base between nipples. I applied old standby - JB Weld - as temporary fix. When I arrived at Martinique, I had new one fabricated from stainless steel. A local machine shop copied the original. Several other SM owners did same. Boat was 14 years old at that time. Ben Driver Formerly SM 347
On Aug 27, 2020, at 5:54 AM, Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:
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Re: Raw Water Manifold Failure - A54
hi guys would one of you mind sharing some photos of the problem area and your solutions?
Cheers
Courtney
Trippin
54#101
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From: Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2020 9:39 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Raw Water Manifold Failure - A54 Jamie,
I built a new one from off-the-shelf bronze fittings and a short piece of reinforced hose in the middle. Two years on and no problems, and it will be much easier to repair next time as it can be taken apart in the middle before pulling the parts out which is much easier than getting the original out.
I would also be interested if anyone else has adopted this solution and how long it has lasted.
Cheers,
Paul
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jamie Wendell
Sent: 27 August 2020 14:54 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Raw Water Manifold Failure - A54 I want to report a serious issue regarding the raw-water manifold that feeds the refrigerator, anchor wash, AC, and watermaker pumps on my A54. As I was servicing the sea chest strainer and cleaning out the clogged hoses, the nipple connection feeding the refrigerator pump broke off from the manifold. It actually appears to have been cracked already and was essentially sucking in some air with the cooling water. You can tell that when you hear a slight gurgling sound at the discharge thru-hull - initially I thought it was a pump problem related to insufficient cooling water through the main system strainer. Luckily I was on board at the time - if not, seawater may have poured into the engine room relying on only the automatic bilge pump to keep the water out. If the water ingress had been more than the bilge pump could discharge, the boat might have sunk (a very scary thought!).
I removed the manifold - no easy task, as it is buried behind the hoses, wires, and the cockpit scupper. The manifold appears to be made of bronze, but there was some external corrosion evident at the joint between the refrigerator connection and the main manifold tubing. It is likely that the corrosion is far worse inside the manifold, and that is hard to see when there is a lot of muck building up in the tubing. Very probably, the other nipples have similar corrosion issues inside. So, I am now in the process of trying to replace the seawater manifold. I have 2 options: the first is to replace in kind, either custom built in a local fab shop or ordered through Amel; the second is to build one out of bronze fittings, pipe, and hose sections. I am not sure if any local shops can work with bronze, but I am investigating that possibility first. I am certain that Amel had these things built specifically for the A54 and maybe the SM or even the A55 - I am not sure if it is common to all models, but I question whether Amel could still source a replacement. The advantage to an in-kind replacement is that it would be a drop-in and also be smaller and lighter. The advantage to a manifold built from fittings is that I can install shut-off valves for each feed circuit, allowing me to isolate if there is a problem with one of the systems and retain the other systems in operation while I service the failed system. I like that concept the best, as many times I have to work on one of the feeders, while having to shut down everything to do it via the main in-line valve. By the way, that valve also looks suspect to me and I will be replacing it. So, I am passing on my experience to the group as a reminder to check this manifold on a periodic basis. It is hard to see internal corrosion, but it is clear that even bronze will eventually fail. Phantom is now 13 years old, so maybe I was due for replacement. Has anyone else had this failure, and if so, what was your best solution to replace? Has anyone attempted to source from Amel? Thanks, Jamie Wendell Phantom, A54 #44 -- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: Raw Water Manifold Failure - A54
Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Jamie,
I built a new one from off-the-shelf bronze fittings and a short piece of reinforced hose in the middle. Two years on and no problems, and it will be much easier to repair next time as it can be taken apart in the middle before pulling the parts out which is much easier than getting the original out.
I would also be interested if anyone else has adopted this solution and how long it has lasted.
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jamie Wendell
Sent: 27 August 2020 14:54 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Raw Water Manifold Failure - A54
I want to report a serious issue regarding the raw-water manifold that feeds the refrigerator, anchor wash, AC, and watermaker pumps on my A54. As I was servicing the sea chest strainer and cleaning out the clogged hoses, the nipple connection feeding the refrigerator pump broke off from the manifold. It actually appears to have been cracked already and was essentially sucking in some air with the cooling water. You can tell that when you hear a slight gurgling sound at the discharge thru-hull - initially I thought it was a pump problem related to insufficient cooling water through the main system strainer. Luckily I was on board at the time - if not, seawater may have poured into the engine room relying on only the automatic bilge pump to keep the water out. If the water ingress had been more than the bilge pump could discharge, the boat might have sunk (a very scary thought!). -- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: Raw Water Manifold Failure - A54
Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
Hello Jamie, I had the same issue on my manifold. It looked like some kind of electric corrosion, as the worst corroded part at the fridge connector side is the point where the ground wire attaches. I did the rebuild by brass fittings you suggest and placed at the fridge end an additional anode plug inside. One more charme with this option is that it can be repaired with standard parts, without involving workshops. Oliver from Vela Nautica A54#39 Martinique
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 08:54 Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote: I want to report a serious issue regarding the raw-water manifold that feeds the refrigerator, anchor wash, AC, and watermaker pumps on my A54. As I was servicing the sea chest strainer and cleaning out the clogged hoses, the nipple connection feeding the refrigerator pump broke off from the manifold. It actually appears to have been cracked already and was essentially sucking in some air with the cooling water. You can tell that when you hear a slight gurgling sound at the discharge thru-hull - initially I thought it was a pump problem related to insufficient cooling water through the main system strainer. Luckily I was on board at the time - if not, seawater may have poured into the engine room relying on only the automatic bilge pump to keep the water out. If the water ingress had been more than the bilge pump could discharge, the boat might have sunk (a very scary thought!).
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Raw Water Manifold Failure - A54
Jamie Wendell
I want to report a serious issue regarding the raw-water manifold that feeds the refrigerator, anchor wash, AC, and watermaker pumps on my A54. As I was servicing the sea chest strainer and cleaning out the clogged hoses, the nipple connection feeding the refrigerator pump broke off from the manifold. It actually appears to have been cracked already and was essentially sucking in some air with the cooling water. You can tell that when you hear a slight gurgling sound at the discharge thru-hull - initially I thought it was a pump problem related to insufficient cooling water through the main system strainer. Luckily I was on board at the time - if not, seawater may have poured into the engine room relying on only the automatic bilge pump to keep the water out. If the water ingress had been more than the bilge pump could discharge, the boat might have sunk (a very scary thought!).
I removed the manifold - no easy task, as it is buried behind the hoses, wires, and the cockpit scupper. The manifold appears to be made of bronze, but there was some external corrosion evident at the joint between the refrigerator connection and the main manifold tubing. It is likely that the corrosion is far worse inside the manifold, and that is hard to see when there is a lot of muck building up in the tubing. Very probably, the other nipples have similar corrosion issues inside. So, I am now in the process of trying to replace the seawater manifold. I have 2 options: the first is to replace in kind, either custom built in a local fab shop or ordered through Amel; the second is to build one out of bronze fittings, pipe, and hose sections. I am not sure if any local shops can work with bronze, but I am investigating that possibility first. I am certain that Amel had these things built specifically for the A54 and maybe the SM or even the A55 - I am not sure if it is common to all models, but I question whether Amel could still source a replacement. The advantage to an in-kind replacement is that it would be a drop-in and also be smaller and lighter. The advantage to a manifold built from fittings is that I can install shut-off valves for each feed circuit, allowing me to isolate if there is a problem with one of the systems and retain the other systems in operation while I service the failed system. I like that concept the best, as many times I have to work on one of the feeders, while having to shut down everything to do it via the main in-line valve. By the way, that valve also looks suspect to me and I will be replacing it. So, I am passing on my experience to the group as a reminder to check this manifold on a periodic basis. It is hard to see internal corrosion, but it is clear that even bronze will eventually fail. Phantom is now 13 years old, so maybe I was due for replacement. Has anyone else had this failure, and if so, what was your best solution to replace? Has anyone attempted to source from Amel? Thanks, Jamie Wendell Phantom, A54 #44
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Mainsail outhaul on 54
Now I know this idea will be criticised by many but....
I have found that the electric motor for the outhaul on the mainsail is less powerful than I would like. It is fine in light winds but in heavy airs after reefing I often need just a bit more outhaul. I have to completely de-power the main to set the outhaul and then sheet in. This if fine and it works, but in really strong winds that motor just would not have the grunt. So my idea is to fix a single pulley to the aft side of the outhaul and run the line through that and back to the Aft end of the boom instead of it terminating at the outhaul car. This would give 2:1 purchase on the outhaul. Obviously when setting and putting away the sail one would need to do more outhaul button pushing than foil rolling. I believe this would be an improvement and would only cost one block and 15m of 10mm dyneama and an easy experiment to try. Has anyone tried this? Nick S/Y Amelia AML 54-019 Lakki, Leros GR
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Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54
Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
Hi, Laurens, we have long thought about which sailmaker is suitable for us.In the end, we decided on Incidences, because they took over all original cuts of the predecessor company Demme and are also internationally one of the top sailmakers also in the French racing scene. They are still the OEM for Amel which is important for us. Also as a European manufacturer in France. At the boat show in Düsseldorf we had long discussions with the specialists from Incidence and again decided to use cruising sails made of Hydranet Triradial. They explained to us that with today's material the sail can be cut a little bit bigger than the original and still remain sturdy profile without battens through the fabric. For this we negotiated a special price at the fair. In another Amel friend with the almost same 54 (from 2008) had just as much trouble furling and ordered new sails online. It was not as expensive but he is not as happy with it as he had imagined. To your question: the previous sails had only caused us trouble, also because they didn't have a sturdy profile anymore, and without battens it was just too baggy. There was no performance to think about. This year we didn't have the opportunity to test the new sails in practice because of the covid situation, but the easy furling into the mast alone is a great relief for us and when rolled out the sails stand very well and let us hope for a much better performance than before. In case of doubt, problem-free handling and safety is far more important to us than performance. We are cruisers and not racers, the time is over. Hope this helps. Happy sailing and stay safe. Ulrich „Soleil Bleu“ A54#088 <>
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Re: Engine Vibration
Hi Ian,
As Arno, James and Bill point out, there could be several sources but your suspicion does seem likely, notwithstanding new mounts. You can easily check if it is a bad engine mount, though. First, stand on the engine and wiggle around with your full weight. If the engine doesn't remain firmly planted you'll easily spot the failed mount(s). (Mine was really wobbly and it was the starboard rear mount!) You can also rev up the engine and look for one side or the other to lift up, signaling a failed mount. Do it in forward and reverse to identify the bad mount. However, it being only at high RPM and with having just installed new mounts, that seems it is something else like the suggestions to check the coupling. On my boat years after the failed mount and on two other SN's I've looked at it was loose bolts on the Vetus coupling, and that was, indeed, more noticeable at higher rpm, although there was a rattle on deacceleration. Put a wrench on all the bolts and check if they are tight - do the same on the engine mounts while you're at it. One other procedure I've done after popping my engine up to the cockpit to more easily do various maintenance on it is to put it back in place and just loosely tighten the mounting bolts. Then start it up, run it at low rpm in forward and reverse to let it find it's "sweet spot" and then torque up the bolts. You can do that, of course, without uncoupling it or lifting it out of the engine room. It might just let it "settle in" to where it should be. Keep us posted - would love to hear the final diagnosis. Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
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Re: Running back stays on A54
Sv Garulfo
On Garulfo, we have a variation of Arno’s solution with a knot instead of the hook and a small block to lead the tie (black and white in the pic) back to a cleat near the cockpit. Thomas GARULFO A54-122 Raiatea, French Polynesia
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 09:51, Laurens Vos <laurensrineke@...> wrote:
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Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54
Hi Ulrich,
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Re: Running back stays on A54
amelforme
Peter, my Amel 54 # 14 was the best and most satisfying boat I have ever owned. The only thing worse than selling it would have been keeping it but not being able to enjoy it in the manner it was intended for. I still like working at selling all the good used Amels I can find which gets harder every year, especially the ‘good’ part. The guy who owns it now gives it plenty of the two things boats like best, exercise and maintenance. We remain friends so all’s well that ends well.
All the best, Joel
JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C. The Experienced AMEL Guy UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE Office 954-462-5869 Cell 954-812-2485
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:24 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Running back stays on A54
Joel,
We will meet for sure - keep in touch.
I can’t sell my Amel 54 I love her too much.
Peter
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 18:12, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:
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Re: Running back stays on A54
Hi Arno, Bill’s solution could be also working well but I’m afraid there will be too much stretch to give the mast a good support.
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Galley refrigerator not cooling
Coming back to the boat I find refrigerator not cooling. I can hear fun running and compressor as well. But the plate not cold.
I do not have any instructions on board for the refrigerator. On my previous boat this was a signal that gas has to be filled i. What kind of the gas is on 1999 models of SM? How difficult is to get to the compressor to fill the gas. Or maybe is the thermostat. How can I test that one? Thank you for help. -- Slavko SM 2000 #279
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Re: Output on SM
Eloi Bamberg
Hallo,
I have something similar on mine. If you have some sort of "marine computer" on yours, il should be the connection for a second screen of this computer. Eloi, Red Lion SM426
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Re: Engine Vibration
James Alton
Ian,
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Lots of possibilities here and the experts on the BB will help. Just adding that especially since work was done not too long ago to check all of the pertinent fasteners to be sure that nothing has worked itself loose. Best of luck, James SV Sueño Maramu #220
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