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Re: Galley refrigerator not cooling

 

I recommend that you contact the following in e Marin:
Contact: 
Patrice FOUGEROUSE 
CARAIBE REFRIGERATION

Port du Marin, Bassin N°1
Bl Allegre
97290 LE MARIN
MARTINIQUE FWI

patrice@... OR
contact@...
+596 (0) 696 82 24 04 
  
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 8:24 AM Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you Paul. I will ask Alban at Amel Le Marin to recommend someone.
Best
Barry


On Aug 29, 2020, at 04:47, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Barry,

 

Yes it is the same. I don’t want to cast aspersions but I can say that Stuart from Iguana Marine in Grenada managed to fix a fridge that was not fixable in Le Marin.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barry Connor via groups.io
Sent: 28 August 2020 14:40
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Galley refrigerator not cooling

 

Hi Paul, 

We are still in Le Marin. Went to the shop upstairs above Caraibe Marine and bought a new fridge door opening latch. The big French man in the shop was nice and recommended the all stainless steel latch instead of the original latch which was part plastic. (The plastic part had broken).His price was the same as advertised online from UK supplier. Easy install by me.

Is this possibly who you are referring to as we are thinking of asking him to check our fridge gas pressure? The gas pipe at the back is freezing up and dropping water on top of the water tank inspection port, then the water runs to under the stair. Mopping it up each morning. Think I have too much gas in the system. I have already Re-claged the pipe in insulation but still freezing up.

Please let me know if you think this is the same man?

We contacted Driftwood about our windscreens but can’t get to Granada, still stuck in Martinique. Thank’s for the contact.

Very Best 

 

Barry and Penny

“SV Lady Penelope II”

Amel 54. #17

Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 

 

 



On Aug 28, 2020, at 04:00, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Yes, that’s exactly what happened to me in Le Marin and I fell for it

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Sent: 28 August 2020 07:29
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Galley refrigerator not cooling

 

You need to be very careful when cleaning your fridge.  If you get the ice off the plate with something that could puncture the gas lines within the plate, this is not being very careful.  One of my fridges was not working, and actually found a honest refrigeration guy in Tahiti.  He said, yeah I could change some parts, but I don't think that's the problem.  The quick connect links (that only cost a few dollars) usually go bad, so let's change them and fill up back up and run it.  It worked!  Paid for an hour of time, little bit of gas, and two quick connect gaskets...  Still working 2.5 years later....  All for less than $100 dollar bill.  

Now, if you were in Le Marin. there's a 6' 2" French guy that will tell you you need a new refrigerator and installation which cost only $3500.

Cheers,

Ken
Aquarius SM2K #262
Still in Thailand 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Electric shock from the windlass

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Paolo,
Now that you confirm there's no 240v involved, it is dollars to donuts just some corrosion in the windlass feed wires inside its housing. And you're right, the windlass, rails and rigging are not in the anti-galvanic ("grounding") system. The 24v short is taking a different path to the rails, like down your chain or whatever.

Regardless, this is so likely such a basic and simple fix that you really should do it yourself, if for no other reason than to gain some self-sufficiency for your trans Atlantic crossing ;-)  Don't even bother checking with your multimeter - just open the windlass cover and clean up the connections!  If you've still got the problem, then spend the money for the electrician, or, better yet, keep looking yourself. Plus, as Ken points out, it's good to do this as preventive maintenance. 

Good luck with it,
Craig, SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: DC DC starter battery charger on Amel 55 fuse sizes

Joerg Esdorn
 

The electrical plans confirm this is a 15A fuse.  I would contact Stephane at Pochon and ask him your question.  Pochon designs all the electrical systems for Amel.  Stephane is the client relations guy for all Amel owners.  stephane@...

Good Luck!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain


Re: Galley refrigerator not cooling

Barry Connor
 

Thank you Paul. I will ask Alban at Amel Le Marin to recommend someone.
Best
Barry


On Aug 29, 2020, at 04:47, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Barry,

 

Yes it is the same. I don’t want to cast aspersions but I can say that Stuart from Iguana Marine in Grenada managed to fix a fridge that was not fixable in Le Marin.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barry Connor via groups.io
Sent: 28 August 2020 14:40
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Galley refrigerator not cooling

 

Hi Paul, 

We are still in Le Marin. Went to the shop upstairs above Caraibe Marine and bought a new fridge door opening latch. The big French man in the shop was nice and recommended the all stainless steel latch instead of the original latch which was part plastic. (The plastic part had broken).His price was the same as advertised online from UK supplier. Easy install by me.

Is this possibly who you are referring to as we are thinking of asking him to check our fridge gas pressure? The gas pipe at the back is freezing up and dropping water on top of the water tank inspection port, then the water runs to under the stair. Mopping it up each morning. Think I have too much gas in the system. I have already Re-claged the pipe in insulation but still freezing up.

Please let me know if you think this is the same man?

We contacted Driftwood about our windscreens but can’t get to Granada, still stuck in Martinique. Thank’s for the contact.

Very Best 

 

Barry and Penny

“SV Lady Penelope II”

Amel 54. #17

Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 

 

 



On Aug 28, 2020, at 04:00, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Yes, that’s exactly what happened to me in Le Marin and I fell for it

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Sent: 28 August 2020 07:29
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Galley refrigerator not cooling

 

You need to be very careful when cleaning your fridge.  If you get the ice off the plate with something that could puncture the gas lines within the plate, this is not being very careful.  One of my fridges was not working, and actually found a honest refrigeration guy in Tahiti.  He said, yeah I could change some parts, but I don't think that's the problem.  The quick connect links (that only cost a few dollars) usually go bad, so let's change them and fill up back up and run it.  It worked!  Paid for an hour of time, little bit of gas, and two quick connect gaskets...  Still working 2.5 years later....  All for less than $100 dollar bill.  

Now, if you were in Le Marin. there's a 6' 2" French guy that will tell you you need a new refrigerator and installation which cost only $3500.

Cheers,

Ken
Aquarius SM2K #262
Still in Thailand 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: DC DC starter battery charger on Amel 55 fuse sizes

Billy Newport
 

I thought about that but then why use a 25A charger, the whole thing would be pointless. The charger puts out 25A, the wiring supports 15A, use a 15A fuse and pop...

The unknown on my side is how long is that wire. I'll try trace it better today.


Re: Electric shock from the windlass

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Since there is no connection to 240VAC in the windless circuit, I fail to see how toggling the windless switch could result in a 240VAC short?  It is much more likely to be a 24VDC issue, which is not too dangerous.  Measure the voltage with a volt meter, not a crew member!  Unless you have an undesirable crew member,  this could be your lucky day.

If there is a potential(or Voltage) a volt meter should see it.  Stick the negative on you and put the positive on the what ever was shocking you.  You should see movement in the voltage without having to touch the rail and shock yourself.  

I believe Craig is correct.  Remove the back cap off the windless and make sure everything is clean and tidy!  Might want to use some Corrosion X on the motor when you open it up.  I do this to keep corrosion down on the motor housing, just paint the entire motor with CorrosionX.

Best,
Ken 
Aquarius SM262


Re: Electric shock from the windlass

PAOLO CUNEO
 

hi Craig, Bill, Nick,
I understand from your words that you all seriously care about my safety in case we are talking about 220V AC, and I sincerely appreciate your attention. But no, it never happened to me with the shore power, but only operating the windlass on 24V in some bay for the night. Occasionally I have also had the generator switched on during the anchoring maneuvers, but in the great majority of cases the generator was switched off, so I would feel like excluding 220V. I add that the sensation was more like a burn than the classic shock that can happen to you at home.
I hadn't thought about disconnecting the small inverter that permanently powers the chart table area but I certainly will.
I add a question: I seem to have read somewhere in this forum that, at least on SMs, the rigging and the guardrail (and perhaps also the windlass) are not included in the Amel general bonding system, and I wonder how this can direct my research (or rather , give the correct information to the electrician who I will certainly call).
Bests to you all and thanks for your help

Paolo - SM 454 Whisper, Genoa

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Re: SM2 Roller Reefer Guide Rods

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all. A jammed swivel can cause the pretzles. Another method of forming them is to put yourcspar

On 30 August 2020 at 13:35 "Craig Briggs via groups.io" <sangaris@...> wrote:


Hi Dave,
PS to my earlier post.
Actually, as I think about it, I can't quite figure out how a "jammed swivel" would cause the "pretzels" of your anti-rotation rods.  A jammed swivel would perhaps cause the lower rivets to break, but it would not, kind of by definition, allow the upper swivel to rotate and bend over your anti-rotation bars that are now pretzels. Clearly either you or a prior owner has forgotten to lower and remove the balooner mouse and halyard before furling the genoa. Hence, the raised balooner halyard locks the ends of anti-rotation rods while the swivel turns freely with the full force of the motor and bends the rods into pretzels. 
Alternate interpretations welcomed, but this is how I see it.
--
Craig, SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: DC DC starter battery charger on Amel 55 fuse sizes

Clive Chapman
 

I know nothing about Amel specific electrics, but a fuse can also protect the wiring. Is it possible the cabling is only rated at 15A? The danger with uprating the fuse is you could create a fire risk because the wiring now effectively becomes the fuse (sorry if this is teaching you what you already know). 



DC DC starter battery charger on Amel 55 fuse sizes

Billy Newport
 

My generator wouldn't start last weekend so on poking around, the starter was weak. I could start the engine and then I could start the generator. On checking why the starter was weak, the DC-DC charger output side (#3 under the nav seat) was blown. It's a 15A fuse. So, no charger, dead battery, gen won't start. Ok.

Looking at the Victron manuals for an Orion 24/12/25 DC DC charger. It has a normal bulk output current of 25A with a peak output of 35A. Why have Amel installed a 15A fuse, it's even labeled 15A.

So, I left the boat this week and when I came back today, the 15A fuse I replaced is blown again. I discussed with BillR and for now, I've replaced both fuses with a 20A and a 40A (don't have a 35A). Now, given what I can figure out, I don't know how this ever worked but clearly the boat is 4 years old and has 20k nm on it. I've sent an email to Denis, the old owner asking what gives.

Do the alternators on the gen OR engine charge the starter battery? Is it just the DC-DC charging it?

The cables are 10 gauge wire. I can't see how long they are. 24V @ 20A is no problem for 10 awg. 12V at 25A is good at 10 feet long with 1% V drop.

Thanks
Billy
Amel 55#56


Re: Raw Water Manifold Failure - A54

Alan Leslie
 

We had a complete manifold made out of stainless steel by EMEK Marine in Turkey for our SM.
Beautifully made, I think this is the answer.
Not sure if SM and 54 manifolds are the same, if not it surely wouldn't be difficult to modify the design.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 stuck in Opua NZ


Re: SM2 Roller Reefer Guide Rods

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Dave,

While it could be a jammed swivel, it is absolutely the classic pretzel you get by furling the genoa without removing the balooner halyard and its releasing "mouse" from the furling extrusion. I did it a few times early on when I would lower the balooner, forget all about the halyard and mouse still being in place while I bagged the sail. Then I'd furl in the Genoa. Oops, another pretzel! 

It's amazing how much torque the furler has. As I recall, I think I stopped doing that after three pretzels. And I tried to change procedures to remove the halyard/mouse immediately, although that's hard if you're doing it single handed. 

By the way, that will also really stress the rivets holding the furling extrusion onto the furler and there have been many posts here about those holes becoming enlarged and/or rivets breaking.

So, don't forget your mouse.

Cheers,
Craig,  -  SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Raw Water Manifold Failure - A54

Jamie Wendell
 

I do not think that the manifold corrosion is directly related to the bonding system. Copper will eventually fail in a salt-water environment, which is what I experienced.
You can verify the problems with copper by inspecting some of the original wiring in the boat, which was not tinned unfortunately. The copper strands turn black.
In the case of the manifold, you have trapped raw water inside and you cannot see the gradual corrosion taking place.
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: Electric shock from the windlass

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Paulo,
You really need to make sure this is not a 240v AC problem as that is dangerous.
Turn off the inverter
Disconnect the shore power
Do not run the generator

Then see if you still have the problem.
If you do then it is serious and potentially life threatening. Get an electrician immediately.

If not then it is on the 24v side; not dangerous to life and limb but is likely to be damaging to the sea water exposed fittings, like propeller, skin fittings etc.

Then it is a question of figuring it out. If you use a professional it could be expensive as it may take a long time. It took me a week to find a “Masse leek” ! Maybe 20 hours of testing testing thinking testing.....

so I suggest you either open your wallet or your mind.

Nick
Aboard Ameliai in Leros enjoying the last of summer for me.

AML 54-019

On 29 Aug 2020, at 00:09, PAOLO CUNEO <pc43ge@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Craig,
Thanks for your prompt reply. I will try that as soon as I am back on board.
For testing, I have little hope with the crew. They had already mutinied when I asked for volunteers to experiment the extent of the problem and I had to do it myself
Bests
Paolo Cuneo

SM 454 Whisper
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Re: Raw Water Manifold Failure - A54

Sv Garulfo
 


Thanks for the heads up about the manifold. 

Does premature corrosion of the copper manifold indicate a possible disconnection from the bonding system and/or an electrical leak?


Thanks 
Thomas 
GARULFO
A54-122
Raiatea, French Polynesia 


On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 at 17:24, Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Michael,
Olivier Beaute had a fun quiz on this DB a while ago and asked what the main PVC pipe was on the boat - it was the cockpit drains!  They are not GRP fiberglass covered except where they are tabbed into the hull. I've drilled through mine up high for A/C and Refrigeration cooling water discharges when I added those systems to my SN - they are just PVC.

As to the PVC pipe schedule, I think plain old white hardware store Schedule 40 rated at 220 psi should be fine - there is simply no positive pressure at all in the manifold (maybe a slight negative pressure, actually, as pumps suck water). That appears to be what Tom Cunliffe has used in the article I posted a couple of days ago. But, hey, overkill never hurt, either.

If I'm not mistaken, all Amels have factory installed fire suppression systems in the engine rooms.

Cheers, Craig  -  SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: SM2 Roller Reefer Guide Rods

 

It was caused by the swivel jamming. Now you'll need to determine why it jammed. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 11:18 AM David Kurtz via groups.io <Davidwkurtz=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
As I restepped my mast, I found that not one, but both of the guide rods on the top of the roller furler were bent like pretzels.  I am somewhat mystified as to what would create that amount of force at the top of the genoa.  I cannot recall any mishaps where the unfurling and furling of the genoa went poorly or I had difficulty.  Has anyone else experienced this or have an idea as to what might have caused this?  Obviously wish to avoid this in the future!

Thanks!
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: New rub rail inserts

 

Yes, I have seen it. In each case it was traced back to blasting with sand, media and/or very high high water pressure. Yard workers love to crank the pressure up high enough to remove "barnacle glue," rather than scrape.

I do not know that this is what you have. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 11:11 AM Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
I would love to get new rub rails inserts, but stuck in Thailand, and will not get close to the Caribbean for WHO knows when. Currently re-gelcoating the Rub Rail, and Gel Coat for the red boot stripe.  Also sanded Aquarius' bottom down to gel coat.  And, 100 blisters appeared.  I was so scared when I saw all the little bumps, and the person that sanded Aquarius down showed me that it was osmosis by opening one up with a knife.  YUP, osmosis, you can smell it.....  But, how could this be, I have never heard of an Amel with Osmosis.  So, the painters thought that it was going to be a big job, but in the end the osmosis didn't penetrate past the first layer.  So, no big deal!  Fixed all 100 spots in about 4 hours of work.  YES..

The bottoms on Amel's are really bullet proof!

Ken
Aquarius SM#262
Stuck in Thailand


SM2 Roller Reefer Guide Rods

David Kurtz
 

As I restepped my mast, I found that not one, but both of the guide rods on the top of the roller furler were bent like pretzels.  I am somewhat mystified as to what would create that amount of force at the top of the genoa.  I cannot recall any mishaps where the unfurling and furling of the genoa went poorly or I had difficulty.  Has anyone else experienced this or have an idea as to what might have caused this?  Obviously wish to avoid this in the future!

Thanks!
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: New rub rail inserts

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

I would love to get new rub rails inserts, but stuck in Thailand, and will not get close to the Caribbean for WHO knows when. Currently re-gelcoating the Rub Rail, and Gel Coat for the red boot stripe.  Also sanded Aquarius' bottom down to gel coat.  And, 100 blisters appeared.  I was so scared when I saw all the little bumps, and the person that sanded Aquarius down showed me that it was osmosis by opening one up with a knife.  YUP, osmosis, you can smell it.....  But, how could this be, I have never heard of an Amel with Osmosis.  So, the painters thought that it was going to be a big job, but in the end the osmosis didn't penetrate past the first layer.  So, no big deal!  Fixed all 100 spots in about 4 hours of work.  YES..

The bottoms on Amel's are really bullet proof!

Ken
Aquarius SM#262
Stuck in Thailand


Re: Sore head?

Gary Wells
 
Edited


I still hit my head from time to time and thankfully it's a lot softer these days.

I split a section of pool noodle lengthwise and it pretty much just snaps into place.


Lasts several months before the UV starts degrading it and it starts to "shed"  but it's a cheap solution :)

Cheers!

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Galesville, MD, USA


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