Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Echopilot FLS 2D frequency vs B&G Sonic Speed Sensors or Depth Sounders
We used OpenCPN extensively on our previous boat. Even though there are no depth numbers on a google overlay, it is easy to see depth differences in the color of the water, and in many instances, a google map overlay helped immensely to avoid shallows when entering an anchorage, sometimes even better than a standard chart.
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The last OpenCPN update made their free software a major contender to most chartplotters. We appreciate the efforts of the developers and would make a minor donation to them every year we used the app. It’s a great piece of kit, and does handle AIS target information better than many chartplotters. Weather overlays and Radar overlays are seamless, and it also has split screen capabilities. ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Oct 3, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Gerhard Mueller via groups.io <carcode@...> wrote:
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Echopilot FLS 2D frequency vs B&G Sonic Speed Sensors or Depth Sounders
Gerhard Mueller
Using OpenCPN with Google overlays does not help a lot. Such maps are usually georeferenced pictures of Google Earth. So they have no depth information and are raster charts only (bitmaps, called *.kap), no vector charts with additional informations. However there are also professional charts available for OpenCPN and most circumnavigators uses the old CM93 v2 vector charts even when the latest available version is from May 2015 for free.
-- Gerhard Mueller Amel Sharki #60 Currently Kalamata, Greece
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Echopilot FLS 2D frequency vs B&G Sonic Speed Sensors or Depth Sounders
James Alton
Ken,
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Thanks for the response. To me a good Depthsounder has always been very important and I will usually leave one on even while we are anchored as additional confirmation that all is well when doing the nightly anchor checks. Sueno currently has two Depthsounders and I am really glad to have a backup of this instrument. FLS will actually give me another backup. We also carry a depthstick for checking channels and or some anchorages by dinghy when the situation dictates though maybe there is a better way using modern tools to handle these mini surveys. With good conditions and water clarity such as in the Bahamas, I think that it is pretty hard to beat having a good lookout when navigating in shallowish water so under those conditions my eyes are not normally looking at an instrument very often. The FLS concept really appeals to me for those times when there are issues with water clarity, sun angle etc. and chart data is iffy or even non-existent. I have been reading about OpenCPN and it’s functionality with Google overlays etc. but I have not used it so far. I agree, dedicated chart plotters are expensive but they can have super bright daylight viewable screens, can be really waterproof etc. I currently have a B&G Zeus3 plotter, a smaller back up plotter, 1 tablet, (want to add a back up tablet). Also a weatherproof, daylight viewable ToughBook laptop with built in GPS that I intend to use for OpenCPN. Can you comment on how much data storage is sufficient given the storage of the Google map data and full time cruising? The idea of using AIS information from other vessels to plot a path on a chart into a channel or anchorage is new to me and I appreciate you mentioning this option. That does sound like a very useful tool! So if I understand correctly, you can ask OpenCPN to plot the track of an AIS target on a chart just as it can plot your own GPS track? I agree to the concept of having many tools to keep our boats in safe water and especially for those times that I am literally running blind, FLS sounds very appealing. I will try the 5 meter setting of the alarm as you suggested and consider the value of a pretty constant alarm to remind me to dedicate attention to the FLS. Constant alarms can certainly be annoying to me so we will see! Thanks for the helpful input, James Alton SV Sueno Maramu #220
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Echopilot FLS 2D frequency vs B&G Sonic Speed Sensors or Depth Sounders
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Yes Ken. Ypu3 have to see it before you believe it. I dont know how supercharged my senses are in those circumstances until there is an unexpected bump noise on the boat. Boy do I jump. Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 03 October 2020 at 18:43 Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Echopilot FLS 2D frequency vs B&G Sonic Speed Sensors or Depth Sounders
Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Danny,
I also could not believe that the reefs/bommies came straight up from 50M. Amazing! And, I would be moving along at 6kts and was able to see them 80 meters in front of me. 80 meters gives me plenty of time to stop Aquarius. Best, Ken Aquarius SM2K262
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Echopilot FLS 2D frequency vs B&G Sonic Speed Sensors or Depth Sounders
Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Hello James,
As Danny wrote in his comment above, the FLS is not the only thing used to provide information about the dangers in front of you. Good maps, eyes on the bow, are also helpful. But, good maps are not good everywhere, and eyes on the bow get tired. I have also noticed that many US sailors don't know about OpenCPN. Download OpenCPN for your computer, connect to a GPS device, and you have a back up chart plotter ..... FOR FREE. Get the maps from your sailing friends.... I also download all the Google overlays for areas and add to my map folders in OpenCPN before I take off. This gives me one more input to keep Aquarius from touching anything. Another thing about OpenCPN..... You can connect to a Vesper 8000 AIS over WIFI, and now if you're going into a tight place and other boats are in front of you, you can plot their path. I used this method in Fiji, and Malaysia entering marinas. I didn't know the exact path in so I just plotted the path of a few larger boats going in and out and just followed their path. This also helps in shipping lanes you can see which boat are moving and where they're going. All for free. If you have two computers loaded with OpenCPN, 2 Pads with charts, and 2 Smart Phones with Charts, spending money on the standard chart plotter might be a waste of money? For the question. I set the alarm on the Echo Pilot for 5 meters. And though it's annoying, it works. If I am entering a marina, and it's 4 meters deep for a 100m the alarm will constantly beep. Someone might say, "turn it off", but it's my reminder to keep my scan going. The scan is just like flying a plane, you're constantly looking for an display/device/person that may not giving you correct information. And, another good thing about having a FLS. Most of us are carrying spares if something goes wrong. How important is your depth sounder? I would say VERY. But, many of the SM's are getting older, and everything is not always working 100%. If your depth sounder goes out, it's really nice to have a back up... And the FLS is also my backup depth sounder... My 2cents, as someone else on this channel would say. Ken Aquarius SM2K#262 Aquarius is currently in Thailand getting her mani-pedi.
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Re: Dive Compressor mounting on SM
Porter McRoberts
Ours sits also in the same spot. Rests on its feet. No issues with plenty of sailing. We take it out and put in the middle of the cockpit to use it so it’s well ventilated.
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Porter Porter McRoberts S/V IBIS A54-152 WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206Www.fouribis.net
On Oct 2, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:
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Re: Dive Compressor mounting on SM
Hi Tom, When Amel installs the compressor it is mounted on a piece of wood and fitted to rails. This means it can be slid back out of the way when not needed. The wood the compressor is mounted on can be fixed with pins when underway.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
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main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
So, I've just purchased a dive compressor and am installing
it. It fits perfectly and snugly on it's rubber feet between the dive tank
storage and the port cockpit lazarette divider....using 25 1/2 of the 26 inches
available. My question is how people have secured their compressors in place. I
don't want to remove the rubber feet to control the vibration and there is not
an obvious answer (to me). Securing it to the dive tank storage and lazarette
divider seems awkward and would transfer a lot of vibration. I've looked at the
pics on this site but it wasn't helpful. Or have people not permanently secured
it ?
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Dive Compressor mounting on SM
Thomas Kleman
So, I've just purchased a dive compressor and am installing it. It fits perfectly and snugly on it's rubber feet between the dive tank storage and the port cockpit lazarette divider....using 25 1/2 of the 26 inches available. My question is how people have secured their compressors in place. I don't want to remove the rubber feet to control the vibration and there is not an obvious answer (to me). Securing it to the dive tank storage and lazarette divider seems awkward and would transfer a lot of vibration. I've looked at the pics on this site but it wasn't helpful. Or have people not permanently secured it ?
Tom and Kirstin SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422
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Re: AMEL orange boot stripe
AWLGRIB International Orange I think is very close!!
Best Arnold SV Zephyr SM203 Am 02.10.2020 um 21:27 schrieb Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...>: I know that the orange boot stripe color is AMEL specific. But has anyone used an Awlgrip or Interlux Stock product that is close? I’ve search the site and can’t find anything. The closet I see is Awlgrip International Orange or Vermillion. Not looking to go Desert Sand.
Ian SM153 -- Arnold SY Zephyr SM203
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Re: After market engine mounts ?
#replacement
Can't think of any reason not to change the "C" drive mounts while you're at it as they've got the same hours on them as the engine mounts (actually, they might more accurately be called frame mounts, not engine mounts). My recommendation would be to let the "C" drive sit in place with it's new mounts totally loosened, that is the lower nuts backed off so they are not touching the "C" drive feet. Then align the frame and engine assembly with the new mounts carrying that weight (of course you'll need to unweight the frame/engine to adjust the new mounts - a trial and error process). After it's aligned, then snug up the "C" drive mounts with the bottom nut so the weight is shared between the trumpet and the mounts, that is, you don't want the full weight of the "C" drive upper unit on the trumpet, as there's a foam gasket between the bottom of the trumpet and the hull hole. In other words, the weight of the frame, engine and "C" drive should be held by the four frame/engine mounts.
And, while the alignment tool is helpful, the Vetus coupling is engineered to take up some misalignment and feeler gauges and eyeballs are good. Or put some lipstick on the flange, put a piece of paper between and slide the engine gently in place so it just kisses the flange - the lipstick will show any misalignment. -- A fun project, indeed. Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
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AMEL orange boot stripe
I know that the orange boot stripe color is AMEL specific. But has anyone used an Awlgrip or Interlux Stock product that is close? I’ve search the site and can’t find anything. The closet I see is Awlgrip International Orange or Vermillion. Not looking to go Desert Sand.
Ian SM153
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Re: After market engine mounts ?
#replacement
Paul Guenette
Thank you for responding to my query about alternative engine mounts.
I have decided to go with the Yanmar mounts, ( Y 200 129470-08351 ). I plan to change all four Yanmar mounts. I am in the process of tracking four of these down now. I have purchased the K018 Bushing Kit from Vetus and plan to check and change these out if need be. I have a machinist making me an alignment tool per the specs and drawings I found here on the forum. I am wondering if I should be changing the two C Drive mounts at the same time as I do the Yanmar engine mounts and Vetus bushings ? Is there anything else I should be considering while doing this maintenance project ? Thank you for your time, Paul Aramis, SM 2000, 444 Comox, BC, Canada
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Volvo 24v alternator exciter
eric freedman
Here is the wiring diagram for the alternator and relay. Fair Winds Eric SM 376 Kimberlite
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ATTENTION KENT-- Onan Generator exhaust temperature switch - great price.
eric freedman
Hi Kent, Please send me a check for $ 86.00 for 3 switches. The switches are on the way to me and I will send 3 to you as soon as they arrive. Fair Winds Eric
Eric Freedman 345 New York Ave Huntington, NY 11743
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:29 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Onan Generator exhaust temperature switch - great price.
Thanks Eric, Ive had two go bad in the last year. Please order three for me.
We'll be coming down from Maine in late Sept. Will you be home then? Thanks. Kent & Iris Kristy SM 243
On Jul 28, 2020 8:37 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote: I have broken a few of these switches over the years. I have done this by reaching over the generator to retrieve something stored behind the genset. I received a quote from my Onan dealer and on Amazon for around $90- plus tax which is ridiculous. I tracked down the OEM manufacturer and the cost is about $23- plus a one time set up fee of about $50- I plan on ordering 2 of these. They stated that they make this for ONAN. If anyone is interested please let me know and I can order them for you $33- each plus USPS of about $8.00. I will order the switches within a week. Fair Winds, Eric SM 376 Kimberlite
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Re: Onan Generator exhaust temperature switch - great price.
eric freedman
Hi Vladimir, Please send me a check for $34.00 for 1 switch. The switches are on the way to me and I will send 1 to you as soon as they arrive. Fair Winds Eric
Eric Freedman 345 New York Ave Huntington, NY 11743
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of VLADIMIR SONSEV
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 9:11 AM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Onan Generator exhaust temperature switch - great price.
Hi Eric,
I want to buy one. Please provide instructors for payment.
Vladimir 202 258 1916
SM 345 " LIFE IS GOOD" On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 8:37 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Echopilot FLS 2D frequency vs B&G Sonic Speed Sensors or Depth Sounders
Patrick McAneny
Justin, I must have missed that post ,came into this thread late. Just read that with new downloads their B&G FLS is working well, so maybe I need to keep my speed down and update my downloads.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
-----Original Message-----
From: Petaris <petaris@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Group Moderators <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2020 9:27 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Echopilot FLS 2D frequency vs B&G Sonic Speed Sensors or Depth Sounders Pat,
I believe someone further up the thread mentioned a max SOG of 2.5 kts. Maybe that is part of the issue for you?
Regards,
- Justin
Hopeful future SM/SM2k owner
-- Justin Paulsen
IT Professional "The world is open, are you?"
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Re: Volvo 24v alternator exciter
Most helpful Ryan. This makes sense and gives me good direction towards troubleshooting. I would never have postulated that the relay would reach back to the house 24v batteries for its excitation. Mike
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 3:09 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo 24v alternator exciter
Hi Mike,
Ryan and Kelly SM 233 Iteration Boston, MA, USA
On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 2:42 PM Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Echopilot FLS 2D frequency vs B&G Sonic Speed Sensors or Depth Sounders
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Ken, until you have sailed the Tuamotus you cant imagine how uncharted reefs and bommies can appear, rising vertically from very deep water. The FLS is useful there. Fiji has its own specialties with vertical reefs and no warning. Like all navigation aids, the FLS is one but not to be the only.one used; Charts, eyes, chart plotters too. In those waters all my senses are on high alert all the time. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 02 October 2020 at 06:27 Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Thanks Ken, we have the Interphase which I believe is out of production now. The biggest difficulty in interpretation is the interference caused by choppy sea. However, having said that, with experience and using the right parameters valuable information is there. I was interested to find what unit you were using in case at some time I might need to replace the Interphase. Thanks again Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 02 October 2020 at 06:08 Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
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